New voting age
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I never said either side would want it. I just said it's a good idea.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I never said either side would want it. I just said it's a good idea.
So do I and I didn't accuse you of anything. Don't get your bowels in an uproar.
WSS
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I was responding to Logic...
I also wasn't responding with any anger/annoyance
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16 is too young to vote
Of course... I think you can get too old at some point too...
Both of which could be solved with the implementation of a competency test that I've brought up before
16 is too young to vote
Of course... I think you can get too old at some point too...
Both of which could be solved with the implementation of a competency test that I've brought up before
That would hurt your peeps a lot.
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16 is too young to vote
Of course... I think you can get too old at some point too...
Both of which could be solved with the implementation of a competency test that I've brought up before
That would hurt your peeps a lot.
That would hurt your peeps a lot.
Who are my peeps exactly?
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I never said either side would want it. I just said it's a good idea.
No doubt it is a good idea.
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That would hurt your peeps a lot.
Who are my peeps exactly?
Who are my peeps exactly?
Democrats
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Who are my peeps exactly?
Democrats
Democrats
I am not registered with my peeps, nor have I voted for them.
Can my peeps be a smaller group? Like college educated, northern US millennials? Maybe even. STEM educated. Or from middle to upper middle class families. Or something
Also, I think the hurt would be felt across the board
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Sure it would. If there's one thing you can count on it's that most people are really stupid. I just think it would end up hurting the Democrats much more.
Also, whether you're willing to admit it or not your views, at least the ones you espouse on here, are democrat all day. That's fine. Unlike some of these guys I am not a democrat hater by default.
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Democrats
I am not registered with my peeps, nor have I voted for them.
Can my peeps be a smaller group? Like college educated, northern US millennials? Maybe even. STEM educated. Or from middle to upper middle class families. Or something
Also, I think the hurt would be felt across the board
I am not registered with my peeps, nor have I voted for them.
Can my peeps be a smaller group? Like college educated, northern US millennials? Maybe even. STEM educated. Or from middle to upper middle class families. Or something
Also, I think the hurt would be felt across the board
Well you stated often enough that you supported Bernie Sanders. And you seem to be pretty hard left on what you see are civil rights problems and gay discrimination. You stated a few times that you are for free college and forgiveness of student loans. Universal Health Care? I forget exactly, but where do you stand there? I would guess you're on the left of the immigration problem? Feel free to tell me I'm wrong unless the best you can do is say "I never said that."
It seems to me you're politics mostly stem from animosity toward some of the members here, including myself.
But I would guess poor people are poor for a reason and at least one of those reasons is it they aren't very smart. One would think poor people would vote for the party that promises them more free stuff. And that stupid people would be among the ones to not make the cut if there were a test for voting . Also lawbreakers would tend not to vote for the strict Law & Order candidate, usually the Republican. I would also guess that you are in the minority amongst your peers in the engineering world like I am amongst most theater kids.
WSS
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I'm for whoever give me free Sheet. Know what I'm sayin?
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Sure it would. If there's one thing you can count on it's that most people are really stupid. I just think it would end up hurting the Democrats much more.
Also, whether you're willing to admit it or not your views, at least the ones you espouse on here, are democrat all day. That's fine. Unlike some of these guys I am not a democrat hater by default.
Sure it would. If there's one thing you can count on it's that most people are really stupid. I just think it would end up hurting the Democrats much more.
Also, whether you're willing to admit it or not your views, at least the ones you espouse on here, are democrat all day. That's fine. Unlike some of these guys I am not a democrat hater by default.
I think you'd be more correct to call me liberal than Democrat. I have not and will not pledge blind allegiance to a political party like some on here. Now I don't think I'm liberal across the board in my views, but more so that than conservative I imagine.
We could come up scenarios that hurt both ways
Question 1: Is Obama a secret Muslim?
Or
Question 1: The white male is to blame for bad things
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I am not registered with my peeps, nor have I voted for them.
Can my peeps be a smaller group? Like college educated, northern US millennials? Maybe even. STEM educated. Or from middle to upper middle class families. Or something
Also, I think the hurt would be felt across the board
Well you stated often enough that you supported Bernie Sanders. And you seem to be pretty hard left on what you see are civil rights problems and gay discrimination. You stated a few times that you are for free college and forgiveness of student loans. Universal Health Care? I forget exactly, but where do you stand there? I would guess you're on the left of the immigration problem? Feel free to tell me I'm wrong unless the best you can do is say "I never said that."
It seems to me you're politics mostly stem from animosity toward some of the members here, including myself.
But I would guess poor people are poor for a reason and at least one of those reasons is it they aren't very smart. One would think poor people would vote for the party that promises them more free stuff. And that stupid people would be among the ones to not make the cut if there were a test for voting . Also lawbreakers would tend not to vote for the strict Law & Order candidate, usually the Republican. I would also guess that you are in the minority amongst your peers in the engineering world like I am amongst most theater kids.
WSS
Well you stated often enough that you supported Bernie Sanders. And you seem to be pretty hard left on what you see are civil rights problems and gay discrimination. You stated a few times that you are for free college and forgiveness of student loans. Universal Health Care? I forget exactly, but where do you stand there? I would guess you're on the left of the immigration problem? Feel free to tell me I'm wrong unless the best you can do is say "I never said that."
It seems to me you're politics mostly stem from animosity toward some of the members here, including myself.
But I would guess poor people are poor for a reason and at least one of those reasons is it they aren't very smart. One would think poor people would vote for the party that promises them more free stuff. And that stupid people would be among the ones to not make the cut if there were a test for voting . Also lawbreakers would tend not to vote for the strict Law & Order candidate, usually the Republican. I would also guess that you are in the minority amongst your peers in the engineering world like I am amongst most theater kids.
WSS
Out of the options available, yes. Bernie offered the same postives Trump did, but without social conservative baggage Trump was trumpeting to get elected. Not that Bernie was perfect.
I didn't realize "Gays should be allowed to get married" is "hard left". I think that's just common knowledge/belief to the vast majority of my generation. (Which all ties back to the discussion that people don't become socially conservative as they age, their views they've always held do). If something like that or agreeing with the consensus of climatologists on climate change is "hard left", then so be it.
I said I was for free college and forgiveness of college loans? I did? I'm going with the "I said that?" response because you're saying I did, not asking.
Hahahaha. Yes. All of my world views are derived from the fact I don't like you or Cal.
Hahahahaha
Oh man... That's incredibly conceited. And hilarious. I guess I'll read the rest of this post.
Poor people can be poor for a lot of reasons. Stupid people can be wealthy. Stupid people can vote for many stupid reasons. Free stuff. More Jesus. Whatever. None of this stuff is exclusive to a side like many on here want it to be.
I wouldn't make the test an IQ test. It would be how our govt works, some history, recent events and some basic science/math. Stuff like that.
As I've said before, in my time at school, no one in engineering gave a Sheet about politics and various causes. We all were too busy and had better things to do. At the end of the day I'd expect STEM majors' views to correlate with common sense, fact based beliefs. I've never really looked it up how they lean though.
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Well you stated often enough that you supported Bernie Sanders. And you seem to be pretty hard left on what you see are civil rights problems and gay discrimination. You stated a few times that you are for free college and forgiveness of student loans. Universal Health Care? I forget exactly, but where do you stand there? I would guess you're on the left of the immigration problem? Feel free to tell me I'm wrong unless the best you can do is say "I never said that."
It seems to me you're politics mostly stem from animosity toward some of the members here, including myself.
But I would guess poor people are poor for a reason and at least one of those reasons is it they aren't very smart. One would think poor people would vote for the party that promises them more free stuff. And that stupid people would be among the ones to not make the cut if there were a test for voting . Also lawbreakers would tend not to vote for the strict Law & Order candidate, usually the Republican. I would also guess that you are in the minority amongst your peers in the engineering world like I am amongst most theater kids.
WSS
Out of the options available, yes. Bernie offered the same postives Trump did, but without social conservative baggage Trump was trumpeting to get elected. Not that Bernie was perfect.
I didn't realize "Gays should be allowed to get married" is "hard left". I think that's just common knowledge/belief to the vast majority of my generation. (Which all ties back to the discussion that people don't become socially conservative as they age, their views they've always held do). If something like that or agreeing with the consensus of climatologists on climate change is "hard left", then so be it.
I said I was for free college and forgiveness of college loans? I did? I'm going with the "I said that?" response because you're saying I did, not asking.
Hahahaha. Yes. All of my world views are derived from the fact I don't like you or Cal.
Hahahahaha
Oh man... That's incredibly conceited. And hilarious. I guess I'll read the rest of this post.
Poor people can be poor for a lot of reasons. Stupid people can be wealthy. Stupid people can vote for many stupid reasons. Free stuff. More Jesus. Whatever. None of this stuff is exclusive to a side like many on here want it to be.
I wouldn't make the test an IQ test. It would be how our govt works, some history, recent events and some basic science/math. Stuff like that.
As I've said before, in my time at school, no one in engineering gave a Sheet about politics and various causes. We all were too busy and had better things to do. At the end of the day I'd expect STEM majors' views to correlate with common sense, fact based beliefs. I've never really looked it up how they lean though.
Out of the options available, yes. Bernie offered the same postives Trump did, but without social conservative baggage Trump was trumpeting to get elected. Not that Bernie was perfect.
I didn't realize "Gays should be allowed to get married" is "hard left". I think that's just common knowledge/belief to the vast majority of my generation. (Which all ties back to the discussion that people don't become socially conservative as they age, their views they've always held do). If something like that or agreeing with the consensus of climatologists on climate change is "hard left", then so be it.
I thought we had somewhat tacitly agreed that the best plan was just some weeding into all the way around. Forcing actual marriage I think it's the furthest left position. And remember it's my position as well. It's just the farthest left.
I said I was for free college and forgiveness of college loans? I did? I'm going with the "I said that?" response because you're saying I did, not asking.
that was kind of one of Bernese biggest campaign points free college and forgiveness. Along with the Universal Health Care, single-payer. If you were against those things I stand corrected.
Hahahaha. Yes. All of my world views are derived from the fact I don't like you or Cal.
there's a typical Woody using words like every or all. Just go through the last 50 posts or so of yours see how many are "well I disagree with that statement because of" and how many are just plane snark directed at someone here.
Hahahahaha
Oh man... That's incredibly conceited. And hilarious. I guess I'll read the rest of this post.
Poor people can be poor for a lot of reasons.
I'd say the vast majority of those reasons are being stupid or lazy . Bad luck can be overcome usually.
Stupid people can be wealthy. Stupid people can vote for many stupid reasons.
without having reams of studies in front of me I would have to assume that stupid and lazy people being wealthy and successful are probably among a very small minority
Free stuff. More Jesus. Whatever. None of this stuff is exclusive to a side like many on here want it to be.
exclusive? Remember again nothing is completely exclusive.
I wouldn't make the test an IQ test. It would be how our govt works, some history, recent events and some basic science/math. Stuff like that.
sure. But I'm thinking that Retarded people should probably be excluded oh, some sort of an IQ breakpoint?
As I've said before, in my time at school, no one in engineering gave a Sheet about politics and various causes. We all were too busy and had better things to do. At the end of the day I'd expect STEM majors' views to correlate with common sense, fact based beliefs. I've never really looked it up how they lean though.
and again I don't have hard numbers but amongst artists musicians theater guys etcetera I find a lot of people on the left and I'm not really worried about making that generalization. We know the lawyers and college professors break Democratic and doctors and entrepreneurs Republican. And again of course not exclusively
WSS
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Quick look on Pew as of 2017
74% of Millennials approve of gay marriage. 73% of Dems and 70% or Independents. 85% Liberals and 70% Moderates.
Calling that "hard left" seems a little disingenuous. Just sayin...
I don't think all college needs to be free. It is definitely overpriced and a bubble right now. Maybe some state schools or just CC's could offer free Associates or something, to create an academic foundation. It also would be beneficial for students in High School to better understand vocational options. Pertaining to what I'm doing right now, you can make bank as a skilled CNC programmer with some extra computer design skills.
Reading 90% of the threads on here you'd have a hard time believing some others on here understand it isn't exclusive.
I wouldn't make it a straight up IQ test. That misses the point. You're voting on public policy, our government, the economy, etc. Not your ability to find patterns or something.
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Idk how accurate this is, but it provides a pretty cool breakdown if you scroll down
http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/
Engineering seems pretty even when you expand it out.
Again, I'm used to no one really caring about politics. I don't think any of my friends are active Dems or Reps. And when it comes up, the most common thread is age. Where, to me, common sense stuff like legalizing weed, is agreed upon. I hang with a group that is pretty well educated (and I'm sure someone is gonna jump on that), so maybe that adds to it. Not just saying we should do something because we've always done it. Looking at facts, not other nonsense. But maybe one day I'll be the older person shaking my first at social changes because they're different. I hope not. Either from continued education, a further interconnected world, or just my own personality. Who knows.
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Most people need to understand that the "argument" between the Left and Right is nothing more than a distraction for the people. The people in charge are always going to do what they think is best for them not the other way around. They all go to the same lodges and are in the same groups, They are indeed in bed together so make no mistake about it, None of them will make sure you get the education you need to overthrow them and they all want you to either fear or depend on them.
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Idk how accurate this is, but it provides a pretty cool breakdown if you scroll down
http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/
Engineering seems pretty even when you expand it out.
Again, I'm used to no one really caring about politics. I don't think any of my friends are active Dems or Reps. And when it comes up, the most common thread is age. Where, to me, common sense stuff like legalizing weed, is agreed upon. I hang with a group that is pretty well educated (and I'm sure someone is gonna jump on that), so maybe that adds to it. Not just saying we should do something because we've always done it. Looking at facts, not other nonsense. But maybe one day I'll be the older person shaking my first at social changes because they're different. I hope not. Either from continued education, a further interconnected world, or just my own personality. Who knows.
Idk how accurate this is, but it provides a pretty cool breakdown if you scroll down
http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/
Engineering seems pretty even when you expand it out.
Again, I'm used to no one really caring about politics. I don't think any of my friends are active Dems or Reps. And when it comes up, the most common thread is age. Where, to me, common sense stuff like legalizing weed, is agreed upon. I hang with a group that is pretty well educated (and I'm sure someone is gonna jump on that), so maybe that adds to it. Not just saying we should do something because we've always done it. Looking at facts, not other nonsense. But maybe one day I'll be the older person shaking my first at social changes because they're different. I hope not. Either from continued education, a further interconnected world, or just my own personality. Who knows.
That was a great chart Woody thanks. I'm surprised by physician in general and I would have thought engineering would lean a little bit more to the right. But probably politics plays very little role and doing that job. As far as you changing some opinions when you get older? I bet you will. I did. Has pretty far left when I was in high school and college, really hated Nixon. We supported Eugene McCarthy and John Anderson etc etc. I guess as time goes by I became more and more disappointed but the people who I thought were just downtrodden and Ill used were also scumbags. Went to church even went to church camp but even though it was a fairly conservative denomination we all loved her brothers and prayed for sinners if there were sinners to be prayed for. Looking back I think that was more social than anything else, kids and friends who hung out together searching for something to make sense of things that don't make sense.
One point that you made how about not wanting to do something just because we've always done it that way is the flip side of the coin of demanding we change something just for the hell of it.
WSS
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Most people need to understand that the "argument" between the Left and Right is nothing more than a distraction for the people. The people in charge are always going to do what they think is best for them not the other way around. They all go to the same lodges and are in the same groups, They are indeed in bed together so make no mistake about it, None of them will make sure you get the education you need to overthrow them and they all want you to either fear or depend on them.
Most people need to understand that the "argument" between the Left and Right is nothing more than a distraction for the people. The people in charge are always going to do what they think is best for them not the other way around. They all go to the same lodges and are in the same groups, They are indeed in bed together so make no mistake about it, None of them will make sure you get the education you need to overthrow them and they all want you to either fear or depend on them.
Well I don't know about that. We are all free to get all the education we want or need. In the end it doesn't matter and it's not a great conspiracy. Some people fall into the profession of running things and most of us are too lazy, or not interested in offhand politics to bother changing it. In the end what's the difference? People naturally distrust each other and argue and fight. Most of us are just too civilized to beat each other with clubs so we do it with words. But as far as fighting the power structure? To what end? Like if a dog is barking and chasing your car pull over open the door and toss in the Keys.
WSS
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