2018 Mock Drafts
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Again...to me, Allen is basically a Kizer clone.....so why dump the original just to go get the clone?
Easy... because you now have a year of hands-on work that has convinced you that the original is not your "guy".
Same cannot be said of "the clone".
Easy... because you now have a year of hands-on work that has convinced you that the original is not your "guy".
Same cannot be said of "the clone".
I guess.....but that does not make him any less of a clone. The way I see it, we would just be starting back to square one with Allen. Better to have kept Kizer in the hopes that all the bitter lemon juice had been squeezed out of him that first year. Now, we would be back to having an unsqueezed lemon again.....and we would have to go through the whole process pretty much again. (the difference being that at least this time we would not have squeeze a raw lemon like we did with Kizer. With Taylor at the helm at least maybe Allen would have time to ripen)
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Again...to me, Allen is basically a Kizer clone.....so why dump the original just to go get the clone?
Easy... because you now have a year of hands-on work that has convinced you that the original is not your "guy".
Same cannot be said of "the clone".
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Well it's pretty rare occasion that all the big stars as far of prognostication turn out to be equally big in the real world.
"All"? You bet, but it's not as if Chark was billed as a blue-chipper all season long.
Just one QB spared in scout's scathing draft take: 'Cow on ice'
I am so jealous that I did not come up with "Cow on ice."
I just don't see the most "QB Tortured" franchise in the NFL drafting a guy #1 like Josh Allen. Could he be great? Sure, nobody has a crystal ball, but the guy's accuracy, lack of competition, and paltry numbers are just too suspect for me to ever get on board. He appears like the most "boom or bust" QB entering the draft, and I want NONE of that. Not at #1, and not for us.
Agree... and moreover there's our history of 1st-round busts. We just can't handle the pain. Even if it comes via the blindside, let alone most of us see it coming from a mile away.
Were it not for the recent failed experiment that was Kizer, no one would have an issue with spending one of our three, 2nd-round picks on Allen... at least not a major issue. But a number overall? Simply can't do it.
Of course if he's the guy at the top of your list you have to take him at number one.
Not all "best in class" QBs deserve to be taken #1 overall. Some don't even rate being taken in Round 1.
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I just don't see the most "QB Tortured" franchise in the NFL drafting a guy #1 like Josh Allen. Could he be great? Sure, nobody has a crystal ball, but the guy's accuracy, lack of competition, and paltry numbers are just too suspect for me to ever get on board. He appears like the most "boom or bust" QB entering the draft, and I want NONE of that. Not at #1, and not for us.
Of course if he's the guy at the top of your list you have to take him at number one. I just hope he isn't. Or if he is I hope I'm wrong about him.
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Of course if he's the guy at the top of your list you have to take him at number one. I just hope he isn't. Or if he is I hope I'm wrong about him.
WSS
Truer words have never been spoken, my friend. No matter who we take, even if it's Allen, I just pray he somehow works out. Lord how we all want this...
However, like I've said in several other posts, we shouldn't discount the importance of Tyrod Taylor and what he could POSSIBLY bring to the table. He's 28 years old, and if he does what i THINK he'll do this year, there's a chance we already HAVE our QB "of the future". Suppose he puts up 20 TDs, 9 INT's, and runs for another 4 TD's. We win a handful of games, probably 5 but maybe (in my wildest dreams) one or two more. Now, for a team that went 1-31 in TWO YEARS, how do you not sign a QB that boosts your team that dramatically? Of course, this is all speculation. Tyrod could be horrible, he could get injured, maybe our coaching staff is just terrible and our players don't really matter. But I don't think that's the case. So how does our rookie even get on the field if Tyrod plays like he usually does?
If we're truly committed to playing our rookie QB in the near future, and we want him to be the "franchise" type guy (which we obviously DO if we're taking him #1), then I suppose he would start this year when we're mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. With this team, I'm guessing around mid November. That would give our rookie 5-6 games to get his feet wet and gain valuable experience. It's likely that he'll be terrible, like most rookies are, but the hope would be that he shows enough to warrant being labeled the "starting QB" for 2019. The PROBLEM is...what happens if our team ISN'T eliminated from wildcard contention in mid November? What if we're in the thick of it until December? Do you play the rookie THEN? I doubt it.
I'm obviously getting WAY ahead of myself, but I don't feel like I'm completely out of line by thinking our team will be competitive. Does that equate to victories? Probably not, but let's wait and see. Hue Jackson wasn't exactly "gifted" a great deal of assets at the QB position, and while Tyrod Taylor isn't Tom Brady and he's EXTREMELY careful with the ball, it's safe to say our offense SHOULD take some big steps this year. Tyrod can easily run Hue's read-option plays, he likes to attack the short middle (Jarvis Landry zone), and he won't be turning it over like Kizer did, ESPECIALLY in the red zone. Conversely, I do believe Tyrod will drive us absolutely nuts at times. His overly safe style might cost us some opportunities, and we all know how Hue loves to go deep...not Tyrod's best talent. There's a good chance we'll be punting on a lot more 3rd and longs, as Tyrod won't be as likely to take some of the chances Kizer did, and Tyrod loves to throw short of the sticks in hopes that his guy will make a play for the 1st. It's going to be completely different on offense, most good, some frustrating.
If the season goes like I hope it does, we might not see our rookie at all this year during the regular schedule. If that happens, how do you let Tyrod go and place everything in the hands of a kid who doesn't have experience? Just something to talk about while we wait for the draft. LOL
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I just don't see the most "QB Tortured" franchise in the NFL drafting a guy #1 like Josh Allen. Could he be great? Sure, nobody has a crystal ball, but the guy's accuracy, lack of competition, and paltry numbers are just too suspect for me to ever get on board. He appears like the most "boom or bust" QB entering the draft, and I want NONE of that. Not at #1, and not for us.
Again...to me, Allen is basically a Kizer clone.....so why dump the original just to go get the clone?
Again...to me, Allen is basically a Kizer clone.....so why dump the original just to go get the clone?
It's funny you say that. Browns Daily radio host Nathan Zegura has asked multiple NFL pundits, "What are the differences between Kizer and Josh Allen?" and nobody really had a great answer that I remember. Kizer has a plus arm, Josh Allen has a plus-plus arm, but really...they resemble each other dramatically.
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Of course if he's the guy at the top of your list you have to take him at number one. I just hope he isn't. Or if he is I hope I'm wrong about him.
WSS
Truer words have never been spoken, my friend. No matter who we take, even if it's Allen, I just pray he somehow works out. Lord how we all want this...
However, like I've said in several other posts, we shouldn't discount the importance of Tyrod Taylor and what he could POSSIBLY bring to the table. He's 28 years old, and if he does what i THINK he'll do this year, there's a chance we already HAVE our QB "of the future". Suppose he puts up 20 TDs, 9 INT's, and runs for another 4 TD's. We win a handful of games, probably 5 but maybe (in my wildest dreams) one or two more. Now, for a team that went 1-31 in TWO YEARS, how do you not sign a QB that boosts your team that dramatically? Of course, this is all speculation. Tyrod could be horrible, he could get injured, maybe our coaching staff is just terrible and our players don't really matter. But I don't think that's the case. So how does our rookie even get on the field if Tyrod plays like he usually does?
If we're truly committed to playing our rookie QB in the near future, and we want him to be the "franchise" type guy (which we obviously DO if we're taking him #1), then I suppose he would start this year when we're mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. With this team, I'm guessing around mid November. That would give our rookie 5-6 games to get his feet wet and gain valuable experience. It's likely that he'll be terrible, like most rookies are, but the hope would be that he shows enough to warrant being labeled the "starting QB" for 2019. The PROBLEM is...what happens if our team ISN'T eliminated from wildcard contention in mid November? What if we're in the thick of it until December? Do you play the rookie THEN? I doubt it.
I'm obviously getting WAY ahead of myself, but I don't feel like I'm completely out of line by thinking our team will be competitive. Does that equate to victories? Probably not, but let's wait and see. Hue Jackson wasn't exactly "gifted" a great deal of assets at the QB position, and while Tyrod Taylor isn't Tom Brady and he's EXTREMELY careful with the ball, it's safe to say our offense SHOULD take some big steps this year. Tyrod can easily run Hue's read-option plays, he likes to attack the short middle (Jarvis Landry zone), and he won't be turning it over like Kizer did, ESPECIALLY in the red zone. Conversely, I do believe Tyrod will drive us absolutely nuts at times. His overly safe style might cost us some opportunities, and we all know how Hue loves to go deep...not Tyrod's best talent. There's a good chance we'll be punting on a lot more 3rd and longs, as Tyrod won't be as likely to take some of the chances Kizer did, and Tyrod loves to throw short of the sticks in hopes that his guy will make a play for the 1st. It's going to be completely different on offense, most good, some frustrating.
If the season goes like I hope it does, we might not see our rookie at all this year during the regular schedule. If that happens, how do you let Tyrod go and place everything in the hands of a kid who doesn't have experience? Just something to talk about while we wait for the draft. LOL
So how does our rookie even get on the field if Tyrod plays like he usually does?
Because we are looking for better than "acceptable" QB play.
Assuming our rookie QB has mastered the playbook, then he's up as soon as we are eliminated from the post season.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So how does our rookie even get on the field if Tyrod plays like he usually does?
Because we are looking for better than "acceptable" QB play.
Assuming our rookie QB has mastered the playbook, then he's up as soon as we are eliminated from the post season.
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2018 NFL Mock Draft: Browns trade down, Bucs pass on Barkley, Falcons take receiver
https://search.app.goo.gl/fhmb6
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Looks like Dorsey will be following Sashi Brown sooner rather than later.
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WSS
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So how does our rookie even get on the field if Tyrod plays like he usually does?
Because we are looking for better than "acceptable" QB play.
Assuming our rookie QB has mastered the playbook, then he's up as soon as we are eliminated from the post season.
Because we are looking for better than "acceptable" QB play.
Assuming our rookie QB has mastered the playbook, then he's up as soon as we are eliminated from the post season.
And that's the rub. I guess what I'm saying is, do you swap "pretty good" for a guy who is unknown but COULD develop into "very good"? This dilemma becomes even more impossible when you factor in the fact we're the Browns....and "pretty good" QB play would ABSOLUTELY blow everyone away. Think about it for a second. 1-31 over two years, a multitude of sucky QB's, and hardly anything to cheer about. Then just like that, we sign a QB who is "pretty good" and is coming off a playoff season (albeit by the skin of his teeth). It's going to be VERY hard to pull the trigger on swapping in the young QB when so many jobs are on the line. If we kept Hue Jackson after 1-31, you'd like to think we'd keep him if we won something like 5 games this year, right?
Where I ultimately agree with you that we definitely want MORE than "acceptable", I still see it being a difficult task to remove a veteran leader for an unknown 21 year-old.
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2018 NFL Mock Draft: Browns trade down, Bucs pass on Barkley, Falcons take receiver
https://search.app.goo.gl/fhmb6
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Looks like Dorsey will be following Sashi Brown sooner rather than later.
?
WSS
2018 NFL Mock Draft: Browns trade down, Bucs pass on Barkley, Falcons take receiver
https://search.app.goo.gl/fhmb6
Shared from my Google feed
Looks like Dorsey will be following Sashi Brown sooner rather than later.
?
WSS
That's not a terrible scenario. I would be good if the browns walked away with that draft.
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2018 NFL Mock Draft: Browns trade down, Bucs pass on Barkley, Falcons take receiver
https://search.app.goo.gl/fhmb6
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Looks like Dorsey will be following Sashi Brown sooner rather than later.
?
WSS
That's not a terrible scenario. I would be good if the browns walked away with that draft.
That's not a terrible scenario. I would be good if the browns walked away with that draft.
I worry too much about Allen's accuracy. The rest of the undercard looks fine but if we miss on number one...
WSS
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Mayock's 2018 draft position rankings 3.0: New No. 1 WR, LB
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Because we are looking for better than "acceptable" QB play.
Assuming our rookie QB has mastered the playbook, then he's up as soon as we are eliminated from the post season.
And that's the rub. I guess what I'm saying is, do you swap "pretty good" for a guy who is unknown but COULD develop into "very good"? This dilemma becomes even more impossible when you factor in the fact we're the Browns....and "pretty good" QB play would ABSOLUTELY blow everyone away. Think about it for a second. 1-31 over two years, a multitude of sucky QB's, and hardly anything to cheer about. Then just like that, we sign a QB who is "pretty good" and is coming off a playoff season (albeit by the skin of his teeth). It's going to be VERY hard to pull the trigger on swapping in the young QB when so many jobs are on the line. If we kept Hue Jackson after 1-31, you'd like to think we'd keep him if we won something like 5 games this year, right?
Where I ultimately agree with you that we definitely want MORE than "acceptable", I still see it being a difficult task to remove a veteran leader for an unknown 21 year-old.
And that's the rub. I guess what I'm saying is, do you swap "pretty good" for a guy who is unknown but COULD develop into "very good"? This dilemma becomes even more impossible when you factor in the fact we're the Browns....and "pretty good" QB play would ABSOLUTELY blow everyone away. Think about it for a second. 1-31 over two years, a multitude of sucky QB's, and hardly anything to cheer about. Then just like that, we sign a QB who is "pretty good" and is coming off a playoff season (albeit by the skin of his teeth). It's going to be VERY hard to pull the trigger on swapping in the young QB when so many jobs are on the line. If we kept Hue Jackson after 1-31, you'd like to think we'd keep him if we won something like 5 games this year, right?
Where I ultimately agree with you that we definitely want MORE than "acceptable", I still see it being a difficult task to remove a veteran leader for an unknown 21 year-old.
Actually I see Hue gone by the BYE week after a 2-8 start... but that's another topic.
I see what you are saying about QB play, but I think you are looking in the wrong direction... to the past and not the future. If we are out of it by the BYE, then what can you possibly learn by continuing to play Tyrod?
Assuming out #1 pick knows the playbook, can repeat a play call and take a 5/7-step drop, I go to the rookie, begin his on-field education and my assessment of his NFL future so I know what kind of priority to put on a 2019 QB.
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can anyone please give me some kind of hope as to why I should like Allen over Darnold
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can anyone please give me some kind of hope as to why I should like Allen over Darnold
Have you applied yet for your idiocy papers? If so, there you go!
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We should go back and try and find the threads on QB's from past years......I wonder who wanted Johnny and who wanted Weeden whoever wanted those 2 QB's on here we should not listen to this year
same with Trent Richardson and Justin Gilbert, lets see who banged their drum
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I agree that would be wild. And monkeys might fly out of my asss.
WSS
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Reuter seven-round mock draft: Bills, Fins trade up for L.A. QBs
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Soon it will all come to an end.
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