Mayfield is no Brees
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When did he became that sort of prospect? (I know the actual answer)....my point is what really changed from the middle of his 34th and final season in college and the draft?
He didn't get taller. His arm didn't get stronger. He didn't put together a ton of window or anticipation throws that stood out any more than those he made throughout his college career.
I'm a huge college football fan and I've seen him play a million games going back to 2015(hell I even remember him from texas tech) and I just never saw #1 draft pick. With darnold and rosen I definately saw that at times.
The thing about mayfield is that he isn't a great athlete. He's not a young russell wilson in terms of elusiveness or escapability. And yes he is very close as a physical specimen to drew brees, but that can never be the standard to which others are measured. Brees was a rare guy whose ball pace actually increased a significant amount from his first year in the nfl to when he broke out...are we counting on that with mayfield?
My concern about mayfield isn't even primarily the height....it's just his arm in general doesn't do it for me as a #1 pick. I don't see him driving balls like a #1 pick should be exxpected to.
I just always viewed a guy like Mayfield as a second round type talent at his best......#1 pick? With rosen and darnold on the board? Sheeesh.....
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Winner
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When did he became that sort of prospect? (I know the actual answer)....my point is what really changed from the middle of his 34th and final season in college and the draft?
He didn't get taller. His arm didn't get stronger. He didn't put together a ton of window or anticipation throws that stood out any more than those he made throughout his college career.
I'm a huge college football fan and I've seen him play a million games going back to 2015(hell I even remember him from texas tech) and I just never saw #1 draft pick. With darnold and rosen I definately saw that at times.
The thing about mayfield is that he isn't a great athlete. He's not a young russell wilson in terms of elusiveness or escapability. And yes he is very close as a physical specimen to drew brees, but that can never be the standard to which others are measured. Brees was a rare guy whose ball pace actually increased a significant amount from his first year in the nfl to when he broke out...are we counting on that with mayfield?
My concern about mayfield isn't even primarily the height....it's just his arm in general doesn't do it for me as a #1 pick. I don't see him driving balls like a #1 pick should be exxpected to.
I just always viewed a guy like Mayfield as a second round type talent at his best......#1 pick? With rosen and darnold on the board? Sheeesh.....
When did he became that sort of prospect? (I know the actual answer)....my point is what really changed from the middle of his 34th and final season in college and the draft?
He didn't get taller. His arm didn't get stronger. He didn't put together a ton of window or anticipation throws that stood out any more than those he made throughout his college career.
I'm a huge college football fan and I've seen him play a million games going back to 2015(hell I even remember him from texas tech) and I just never saw #1 draft pick. With darnold and rosen I definately saw that at times.
The thing about mayfield is that he isn't a great athlete. He's not a young russell wilson in terms of elusiveness or escapability. And yes he is very close as a physical specimen to drew brees, but that can never be the standard to which others are measured. Brees was a rare guy whose ball pace actually increased a significant amount from his first year in the nfl to when he broke out...are we counting on that with mayfield?
My concern about mayfield isn't even primarily the height....it's just his arm in general doesn't do it for me as a #1 pick. I don't see him driving balls like a #1 pick should be exxpected to.
I just always viewed a guy like Mayfield as a second round type talent at his best......#1 pick? With rosen and darnold on the board? Sheeesh.....
I don't see Darnold or Rosen having significantly stronger arms than Baker. Only Allen does, and he can't hit the broadside of a barn with it...
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I'm just trying to imagine him at the Browns stadium in November with gusting winds and temperatures under 40 being successful. He's the anti-AFC North prototypical QB.
And yes, I know, Brian Sipe did it a million years ago.
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The throws were there. Go watch the games. If anything, his arm was more than strong enough, and he wasn’t technically sound - threw with way too much arm and wrist. That tells you all you need to know. When he actually drives the ball, it’s still accurate, and velocity is above average. The fact he can complete passes at a high level from multiple release points is a huge bonus.
he also has a great grasp of “the plan” and knows how to find open players after his primary reads are gone.
throws at an elite level while moving.
Finally, he has what Bill Walsh called his single greatest and most significant QB trait: Spontaneous Genius. This is not a scramble and throw trait, but one the best skills a successful QBs possess. It’s also being able to maintain composure and execute positive plays when things don’t go according to plan; and also the ability to execute in high leverage spots—3rd down, red zone, fourth quarter.
People crowned Darnold in May 2017 and never looked back. (People are prideful). Darnold regressed. Mayfield rose. The browns decided Mayfield was the better pick.
Right or wrong... I believe what I wrote above is why.
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Rosen is also an idiot. Proving my theory of why he made his comment that 9 other teams made a mistake before he was picked.
If Baker said the same, you'd love the chippiness...
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How about we give it some time. Hes not going to be starting anytime soon.
How about we give it some time. Hes not going to be starting anytime soon.
This is the Browns. He will be starting by week 4
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How about we give it some time. Hes not going to be starting anytime soon.
This is the Browns. He will be starting by week 4
This is the Browns. He will be starting by week 4
Preseason or regular?
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Regular season. And hopefully Hue is fired by then
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Regular season. And hopefully Hue is fired by then
So you're an optimist...
I remember the last off-season starter Hue named.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I was going to pull some quotes from this article but they just heap praise after praise after praise on him. Just read the whole thing.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-baker-mayfields-tape-numbers-say-he-should-be-no-1-overall-pick -
I went to Purdue and saw the majority of Brees’ games. Brees was a tennis player, which many believe helped with his footwork. Rosen was also a top tennis player. Mayfield is a clown who went against miserable B12 defenses and who won’t do anything in the NFL. Dumb pick.
F u c k y o u
F u c k y o u
u r a Shmuck.ing idiot
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When did he became that sort of prospect? (I know the actual answer)....my point is what really changed from the middle of his 34th and final season in college and the draft?
He didn't get taller. His arm didn't get stronger. He didn't put together a ton of window or anticipation throws that stood out any more than those he made throughout his college career.
I'm a huge college football fan and I've seen him play a million games going back to 2015(hell I even remember him from texas tech) and I just never saw #1 draft pick. With darnold and rosen I definately saw that at times.
The thing about mayfield is that he isn't a great athlete. He's not a young russell wilson in terms of elusiveness or escapability. And yes he is very close as a physical specimen to drew brees, but that can never be the standard to which others are measured. Brees was a rare guy whose ball pace actually increased a significant amount from his first year in the nfl to when he broke out...are we counting on that with mayfield?
My concern about mayfield isn't even primarily the height....it's just his arm in general doesn't do it for me as a #1 pick. I don't see him driving balls like a #1 pick should be exxpected to.
I just always viewed a guy like Mayfield as a second round type talent at his best......#1 pick? With rosen and darnold on the board? Sheeesh.....
I don't see Darnold or Rosen having significantly stronger arms than Baker. Only Allen does, and he can't hit the broadside of a barn with it...
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Baker’s arm is elite by college standards. Above average for NFL. Rosen too. Darnolds looks weaker than both TBH. He didn’t throw in the measurement drill at combine. But you can do simple math to figure it out. I’ll do it eventually: Feet traveled/seconds = mph.
Did some earlier when some guy was arguing with me that Lamar Jackson has a stronger arm than Mayfield (lol).
Timed multiple 40-yard plus Lamar Jackson (48 mph avg) and Baker (58 mph avg) throws. It wasn’t even close. Can Jackson physically throw it faster? Probably, but he threw 49mph and combine because he knows he’ll lose accuracy, and Baker hit 60 and accurate at combine.
Allen’s arm is the gold standard. If he puts it together he’s going to be unreal. Happy the Browns don’t have to hang on a thread of that hope because of a couple mph difference in the two. Which is a safer/correct approach. GL Buffalo
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The throws were there. Go watch the games. If anything, his arm was more than strong enough, and he wasn’t technically sound - threw with way too much arm and wrist. That tells you all you need to know. When he actually drives the ball, it’s still accurate, and velocity is above average. The fact he can complete passes at a high level from multiple release points is a huge bonus.
he also has a great grasp of “the plan” and knows how to find open players after his primary reads are gone.
throws at an elite level while moving.
Finally, he has what Bill Walsh called his single greatest and most significant QB trait: Spontaneous Genius. This is not a scramble and throw trait, but one the best skills a successful QBs possess. It’s also being able to maintain composure and execute positive plays when things don’t go according to plan; and also the ability to execute in high leverage spots—3rd down, red zone, fourth quarter.
People crowned Darnold in May 2017 and never looked back. (People are prideful). Darnold regressed. Mayfield rose. The browns decided Mayfield was the better pick.
Right or wrong... I believe what I wrote above is why.
The throws were there. Go watch the games. If anything, his arm was more than strong enough, and he wasn’t technically sound - threw with way too much arm and wrist. That tells you all you need to know. When he actually drives the ball, it’s still accurate, and velocity is above average. The fact he can complete passes at a high level from multiple release points is a huge bonus.
he also has a great grasp of “the plan” and knows how to find open players after his primary reads are gone.
I did not see enough "reading" to be fully comfortable with where his head is, but he's been judged capable of learning this critical skill. It will determine the success of the pick.
Arm? Plenty good enough IMO. He has a lot of whip in his arm and he knows when to use touch vs. velocity.
Bottom line: he has a shot at being very good. Great? Depends on the head.
I'm just trying to imagine him at the Browns stadium in November with gusting winds and temperatures under 40 being successful. He's the anti-AFC North prototypical QB.
And yes, I know, Brian Sipe did it a million years ago.
Actually Bryan did not except for one season and one brief post season.
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Baker’s arm is elite by college standards. Above average for NFL. Rosen too. Darnolds looks weaker than both TBH. He didn’t throw in the measurement drill at combine. But you can do simple math to figure it out. I’ll do it eventually: Feet traveled/seconds = mph.
Did some earlier when some guy was arguing with me that Lamar Jackson has a stronger arm than Mayfield (lol).
Timed multiple 40-yard plus Lamar Jackson (48 mph avg) and Baker (58 mph avg) throws. It wasn’t even close. Can Jackson physically throw it faster? Probably, but he threw 49mph and combine because he knows he’ll lose accuracy, and Baker hit 60 and accurate at combine.
Allen’s arm is the gold standard. If he puts it together he’s going to be unreal. Happy the Browns don’t have to hang on a thread of that hope because of a couple mph difference in the two. Which is a safer/correct approach. GL Buffalo
Timed multiple 40-yard plus Lamar Jackson (48 mph avg) and Baker (58 mph avg) throws. It wasn’t even close. Can Jackson physically throw it faster? Probably, but he threw 49mph and combine because he knows he’ll lose accuracy, and Baker hit 60 and accurate at combine.
40-yd+? Not really the throw you want to use for "velocity" is it? Too many combinations of velocity and arc...
Seems to me the 10 to 15-yd out would be the better choice.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Timed multiple 40-yard plus Lamar Jackson (48 mph avg) and Baker (58 mph avg) throws. It wasn’t even close. Can Jackson physically throw it faster? Probably, but he threw 49mph and combine because he knows he’ll lose accuracy, and Baker hit 60 and accurate at combine.
40-yd+? Not really the throw you want to use for "velocity" is it? Too many combinations of velocity and arc...
Seems to me the 10 to 15-yd out would be the better choice.
40-yd+? Not really the throw you want to use for "velocity" is it? Too many combinations of velocity and arc...
Seems to me the 10 to 15-yd out would be the better choice.
True. We have their numbers for those throws from the combine (drill is intermediate out routes), was my thinking. I wanted to see what they had behind a ball they’re trying to drive down the field, with timing. And the result was pretty much the same. Like I said, I don’t doubt LamJax can physically throw a ball faster, but I don’t think he can do it as functionally.
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I'm just trying to imagine him at the Browns stadium in November with gusting winds and temperatures under 40 being successful. He's the anti-AFC North prototypical QB.
And yes, I know, Brian Sipe did it a million years ago.
I'm just trying to imagine him at the Browns stadium in November with gusting winds and temperatures under 40 being successful. He's the anti-AFC North prototypical QB.
And yes, I know, Brian Sipe did it a million years ago.
We should of gone for a big armed tall QB who would do well in the conditions.....someone like Brandon Weeden or DeShone Kizer
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I'm just trying to imagine him at the Browns stadium in November with gusting winds and temperatures under 40 being successful. He's the anti-AFC North prototypical QB.
And yes, I know, Brian Sipe did it a million years ago.
We should of gone for a big armed tall QB who would do well in the conditions.....someone like Brandon Weeden or DeShone Kizer
We should of gone for a big armed tall QB who would do well in the conditions.....someone like Brando Weeden or DeShone Kizer
It's either/or for you guys, huh?
It's amazing how Baker had some support as the guy the Browns should draft #1 before the draft, but now he's a great pick by a big portion of people on here.
It's like I've seen this scenario before... oh yeah, when the Browns drafted Brandon Weeden. Before the draft, a few people liked him. After? Well yeah, he's almost 30, and he plays in a garbage conference, but I see great things from Weeden! by masses of Browns fans. Magically, because the Browns drafted him, all objectivity went out the door.
Browns fans are consistent, if they are anything.
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