Baker Mayfield Thread
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Tour in all sincerity off of the top of your head please list the guys who have been “shutdown” corners each of the past 5 years. And by that I mean one guy being a shutdown corner each year not this guy was in 2015 but not in 2017. I’m also curious as to the teams they played for. So for example
Josh Norman Carolina, Washington
Just to be clear, you want a list of who has been shutdown corners every year for the past 5?
Patrick Peterson
Sherm when he was healthy
Chris Harris
with cases to be made for Talib & Rhodes.
Just to be clear, you want a list of who has been shutdown corners every year for the past 5?
Patrick Peterson
Sherm when he was healthy
Chris Harris
with cases to be made for Talib & Rhodes.
Ok there is 5 out of 32 teams. My point with this whole Ward pick is you never hear “man this team is a shut down DB away” or “I think the Colts should trade up to take a shut down DB”. I don’t disagree that a strong defensive backfield is a good idea but the are bigger needs and more effective use of assets.
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Right Chubb is no Saquon.he will be better
Right Chubb is no Saquon.he will be better
I don't know about that...
But it's a better value pick, IMO.
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Nick Chubb, while he's no Saquon- put up some comparable numbers at the combine. Hyde - Chubb - Duke should be able to operate a respectable ground game.
While I had it:
Barkley - Mayfield - Oliver - Williams = RB/QB/CB/OL
They went:
Mayfield - Ward - Corbett - Chubb = QB/CB/OL/RB
Time will tell which would have been better...
Sacrificing Barkley to ensure that we got the right QB ended up being the right move for our FO.
I still think that had they taken Barkley first, the NY Giants would have been left holding the bag- thus they may have simply traded out to Cleveland who could then have taken Mayfield. We'll never really know if it would have happened that way but whatever, gotta keep moving forward.
Nick Chubb, while he's no Saquon- put up some comparable numbers at the combine. Hyde - Chubb - Duke should be able to operate a respectable ground game.
While I had it:
Barkley - Mayfield - Oliver - Williams = RB/QB/CB/OL
They went:
Mayfield - Ward - Corbett - Chubb = QB/CB/OL/RB
Time will tell which would have been better...
Sacrificing Barkley to ensure that we got the right QB ended up being the right move for our FO.
I still think that had they taken Barkley first, the NY Giants would have been left holding the bag- thus they may have simply traded out to Cleveland who could then have taken Mayfield. We'll never really know if it would have happened that way but whatever, gotta keep moving forward.
Po- tons of respect for the way you are handling the way the draft worked out vs what you were hoping. Seriously- great fan.
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Just watched the mini-series. I really enjoyed it. Baker is a captivating player and person. He's a bit of an underdog which I really like. He's a "mean mix" of Colt McCoy and Kevin Hogan
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theDeshone Kizer arguably had those three things
Kizer was a raw QB taken with the 52nd overall pick, who was rushed onto the field by an incompetent franchise.
Mayfield was taken with the #1 overall pick.
Kizer was a raw QB taken with the 52nd overall pick, who was rushed onto the field by an incompetent franchise.
Mayfield was taken with the #1 overall pick.
You mean Kizer was sort of a bad pick? I'll defer to Troy Aikman here- you can't fix inaccurate.... FWIW, you didn't hear me screaming profanities at the TV this year when Baker's name got called, unlike last year when Jim Brown anounced the now departed Kizer.
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Kizer was a raw QB taken with the 52nd overall pick, who was rushed onto the field by an incompetent franchise.
Mayfield was taken with the #1 overall pick.
You mean Kizer was sort of a bad pick? I'll defer to Troy Aikman here- you can't fix inaccurate.... FWIW, you didn't hear me screaming profanities at the TV this year when Baker's name got called, unlike last year when Jim Brown anounced the now departed Kizer.
You mean Kizer was sort of a bad pick? I'll defer to Troy Aikman here- you can't fix inaccurate.... FWIW, you didn't hear me screaming profanities at the TV this year when Baker's name got called, unlike last year when Jim Brown anounced the now departed Kizer.
I did enough swearing for both of us.
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OK who is buying one
Well, brownies do get Baked.
Hopefully not burned by this pick!!
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For instance, Chubb was the BPA in many eyes but we went Ward because it was such a drastic need. People might be upset, but he's the best corner and we need to stop the freaking pass.
This IS what Dorsey did: Drafted for need. I am sure most would say you don't draft for need if you have 1 and 4......but that is what the Browns did.
QB and CB were the Browns two biggest weaknesses.
Now, those weaknesses have been addressed with the highest possible assets. Now they can fill in lesser needs in round 2. And hopefully do well.
This IS what Dorsey did: Drafted for need. I am sure most would say you don't draft for need if you have 1 and 4......but that is what the Browns did.
QB and CB were the Browns two biggest weaknesses.
Now, those weaknesses have been addressed with the highest possible assets. Now they can fill in lesser needs in round 2. And hopefully do well.
Oh, I'm not upset and I hope I didn't come off that way. I completely understand the rationale. I think the issue some people are having is that Ward would have likely been available a little later, so why turn down one of the trades if we're taking a player likely to be available at...say....12 from the Bills? Would Ward have been there? Who knows? I get the feeling we didn't WANT to trade, and we set the trade cost SO high that basically nobody would ever accept it. We didn't care about draft value or where experts thought someone should go. We identified the guys we wanted and we took them. And you know what? I'm SO cool with that because we have a GROUP of football people making these choices that have demonstrated success in their careers. Dorsey, Highsmith, Wolfe....all are highly respected.
When you look at our team right now, and you compare it to last year's, it's very difficult NOT to see we're better, and that's the point. We have a REAL team (in my opinion) and we drafted some tough guys. Guys that like football. Ward is NOT Justin Gilbert people. Do I wish Denzel Ward had the physical size of Gilbert? Yes. But Ward has virtually everything else needed to make an impact in our secondary.
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For instance, Chubb was the BPA in many eyes but we went Ward because it was such a drastic need. People might be upset, but he's the best corner and we need to stop the freaking pass.
Yep, definitely a need pick. For some reason, passing on Chubb makes me think they really like Ogbah.
Ward gives the D a shutdown corner that really needed a shutdown corner.
So right now our three best corners are: Ward, Carrie, Taylor ? Then you got Gaines, Boddy Calhoun, Mitchell, Wilson ... I suppose someone is tradebait today ... Taylor?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Yep, definitely a need pick. For some reason, passing on Chubb makes me think they really like Ogbah.
Ward gives the D a shutdown corner that really needed a shutdown corner.
So right now our three best corners are: Ward, Carrie, Taylor ? Then you got Gaines, Boddy Calhoun, Mitchell, Wilson ... I suppose someone is tradebait today ... Taylor?
Zombo
I believe they tried to trade Taylor earlier, but it's possible I made that up. Lol. Regardless, I'd much rather have too many corners than not enough! Heck, I wanted to figure out a way to get Ward AND Josh Jackson later on. And yes, I believe you're correct in that we like Ogbah. Gregg does like to rotate his DL, so Bradley Chubb could've easily been the pick, but we addressed the issue with Thomas from Miami.
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For instance, Chubb was the BPA in many eyes but we went Ward because it was such a drastic need. People might be upset, but he's the best corner and we need to stop the freaking pass.
Ironically two very excellent CBs are still on the board in Oliver/Jackson. But Landry/Key are still there if we want rotation in DE. My gut tells me we pick Hurst though since we traded off Shelton. He's a better inside rusher than Danny so I could live with it.
Ironically two very excellent CBs are still on the board in Oliver/Jackson. But Landry/Key are still there if we want rotation in DE. My gut tells me we pick Hurst though since we traded off Shelton. He's a better inside rusher than Danny so I could live with it.
I really liked Jackson as well.
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After a couple of days to digest Baker being picked #1 overall, and I'm now totally on the Baker Bandwagon. There's a lot to like about the kid and since he's now a Brown, I'm going to focus on all of the good things he brings to the team, and I'll let some of you mope about on the questionable ones he brings.
What got me aboard the BB? It's simple.....
Who am I going to put more trust in at this point in time, all of those kool, self appointed Draft Gurus that have only seen the tip of the iceberg (but like to pretend they've seen the whole thing), or the group of people that have spent well over a thousand man hours on seeing the whole iceberg?
So, it's just that phuckin' simple, and as long as the kid doesn't do anything stupid on - or especially off the field, I'll be the official Captain of the SS BB.................. All Aboard.
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After a couple of days to digest Baker being picked #1 overall, and I'm now totally on the Baker Bandwagon. There's a lot to like about the kid and since he's now a Brown, I'm going to focus on all of the good things he brings to the team, and I'll let some of you mope about on the questionable ones he brings.
What got me aboard the BB? It's simple.....
Who am I going to put more trust in at this point in time, all of those kool, self appointed Draft Gurus that have only seen the tip of the iceberg (but like to pretend they've seen the whole thing), or the group of people that have spent well over a thousand man hours on seeing the whole iceberg?
So, it's just that phuckin' simple, and as long as the kid doesn't do anything stupid on - or especially off the field, I'll be the official Captain of the SS BB.................. All Aboard.
After a couple of days to digest Baker being picked #1 overall, and I'm now totally on the Baker Bandwagon. There's a lot to like about the kid and since he's now a Brown, I'm going to focus on all of the good things he brings to the team, and I'll let some of you mope about on the questionable ones he brings.
What got me aboard the BB? It's simple.....
Who am I going to put more trust in at this point in time, all of those kool, self appointed Draft Gurus that have only seen the tip of the iceberg (but like to pretend they've seen the whole thing), or the group of people that have spent well over a thousand man hours on seeing the whole iceberg?
So, it's just that phuckin' simple, and as long as the kid doesn't do anything stupid on - or especially off the field, I'll be the official Captain of the SS BB.................. All Aboard.
Seeing the iceberg doesn't mean you avoid it... just ask the Titanic.
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After a couple of days to digest Baker being picked #1 overall, and I'm now totally on the Baker Bandwagon. There's a lot to like about the kid and since he's now a Brown, I'm going to focus on all of the good things he brings to the team, and I'll let some of you mope about on the questionable ones he brings.
What got me aboard the BB? It's simple.....
Who am I going to put more trust in at this point in time, all of those kool, self appointed Draft Gurus that have only seen the tip of the iceberg (but like to pretend they've seen the whole thing), or the group of people that have spent well over a thousand man hours on seeing the whole iceberg?
So, it's just that phuckin' simple, and as long as the kid doesn't do anything stupid on - or especially off the field, I'll be the official Captain of the SS BB.................. All Aboard.
Seeing the iceberg doesn't mean you avoid it... just ask the Titanic.
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and pretending you see it doesn't mean it's there.
That doesn't make any sense in the context of this conversation. Baker = iceberg in your line of thinking.... Shmuck it, can't wait to see this thread in 2 years.
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That doesn't make any sense in the context of this conversation. Baker = iceberg in your line of thinking.... Shmuck it, can't wait to see this thread in 2 years.
You seem to mistake someone (me) saying "Hell, let's see if the kid can play" for some type of self anointed, Guru proclamation that I somehow know the future and am saying "He will be great - book it"..... I don't pretend to be that smart.
Guess I know what Wagon you're Captaining...... See you in 730 days. (I'm sure you've bookmarked this already)
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After a couple of days to digest Baker being picked #1 overall, and I'm now totally on the Baker Bandwagon. There's a lot to like about the kid and since he's now a Brown, I'm going to focus on all of the good things he brings to the team, and I'll let some of you mope about on the questionable ones he brings.
What got me aboard the BB? It's simple.....
Who am I going to put more trust in at this point in time, all of those kool, self appointed Draft Gurus that have only seen the tip of the iceberg (but like to pretend they've seen the whole thing), or the group of people that have spent well over a thousand man hours on seeing the whole iceberg?
So, it's just that phuckin' simple, and as long as the kid doesn't do anything stupid on - or especially off the field, I'll be the official Captain of the SS BB.................. All Aboard.
Seeing the iceberg doesn't mean you avoid it... just ask the Titanic.
Seeing the iceberg doesn't mean you avoid it... just ask the Titanic.
The Titanic sank because of progressive flooding. Instead of saving the ship and closing hatches and remaining afloat, they left them all open thus filling the whole boat.
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That doesn't make any sense in the context of this conversation. Baker = iceberg in your line of thinking.... Shmuck it, can't wait to see this thread in 2 years.
You seem to mistake someone (me) saying "Hell, let's see if the kid can play" for some type of self anointed, Guru proclamation that I somehow know the future and am saying "He will be great - book it"..... I don't pretend to be that smart.
Guess I know what Wagon you're Captaining...... See you in 730 days. (I'm sure you've bookmarked this already)
You seem to mistake someone (me) saying "Hell, let's see if the kid can play" for some type of self anointed, Guru proclamation that I somehow know the future and am saying "He will be great - book it"..... I don't pretend to be that smart.
Guess I know what Wagon you're Captaining...... See you in 730 days. (I'm sure you've bookmarked this already)
What we need to do is not focus on this and instead focus on ....
The Titanic sank because of progressive flooding. Instead of saving the ship and closing hatches and remaining afloat, they left them all open thus filling the whole boat.
This ^^^
We've gone astray here, boys.
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You seem to mistake someone (me) saying "Hell, let's see if the kid can play" for some type of self anointed, Guru proclamation that I somehow know the future and am saying "He will be great - book it"..... I don't pretend to be that smart.
Guess I know what Wagon you're Captaining...... See you in 730 days. (I'm sure you've bookmarked this already)
What we need to do is not focus on this and instead focus on ....
The Titanic sank because of progressive flooding. Instead of saving the ship and closing hatches and remaining afloat, they left them all open thus filling the whole boat.
This ^^^
We've gone astray here, boys.
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