Denzel Ward
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Josh McDaniels took T-biscuit and dismantled a damn good Denver offense because of his arrogance.
He might be a damn fine coordinator but an eye for talent he is not.
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Having a preference for one player over another when both are in the conversation at a given pick is not drafting "for need".
Mayfield and Ward were both in our top grouping... and with the possible exception of Brakley slipping between them... were the top two in that grouping.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Josh McDaniels took T-biscuit and dismantled a damn good Denver offense because of his arrogance.
He might be a damn fine coordinator but an eye for talent he is not.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/2018-draft-magnets-mayfield-browns-045315581.html?src=rss
• They got very little action on the No. 4 pick. Four teams called Dorsey with interest in moving up. None got serious. Only one team (I’d guess Arizona) offered a 2019 first-round pick as part of the package to move, which is surprising considering that two quarterbacks were still on the board when the fourth pick came up. The team willing to include its first-rounder next year said to Dorsey before the draft began: “I’m coming up for one player and one player only, and that’s Baker Mayfield.” As Dorsey said: “I knew all along it wasn’t going to happen.” So for those wondering why didn’t the Browns try to pillage some team by moving down a few spots, they never had the chance.
• Good nugget from Peter Schrager about the Patriots and Mayfield. On the NFL Network telecast, Schrager said the Patriots spent time Monday with Mayfield, which raised some eyebrows. Mike Reiss, in his Sunday column on ESPN, added the fact that it was offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels who visited Mayfield in his hometown of Austin on Monday. That would lend credence to the theory in some corners that if Mayfield dropped down to, say, six or seven in round one, New England might have been able to offer enough to move up from the 23rd pick in the round to tempt a team in trade.
• Sodium pentathol, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, came up in the wake of the Denzel Ward pick. Truth serum. My question to Dorsey on Friday morning: “If we gave Gregg Williams sodium pentathol right now, who would he have said he wanted with the fourth pick—Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb?” Dorsey pulled out his cell phone and rang Williams. I asked him the question. Williams: “Ward. The reason is our need for a press cover cornerback. Denzel probably plays that position as well as anyone I’ve seen in college football in some time. We probably play the most press of any team in the league. There’s another reason. I’ve got a video of 28 snaps of Myles Garrett pass-rushes last year where he gets within two steps or less of the quarterback when the ball comes out. Basically, we aren’t covering long enough to let him get to the quarterback. Myles and others—especially [defensive end] Emmanuel Ogbah—will get more chances because of Denzel.” Ogbah, Williams said, was a major reason why the Browns went Ward over Chubb. “Ogbah’s a rising star in this league,” Williams said. “He’s got a chance to be Chubb.” High praise.
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Dorsey knew for quite a while that he wanted Mayfield...and Williams knew he wanted Ward. (I guess you've gotta cover the receivers at least a LITTLE BIT in order to get a sack)
Go Browns!
• Sodium pentathol, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, came up in the wake of the Denzel Ward pick. Truth serum. My question to Dorsey on Friday morning: “If we gave Gregg Williams sodium pentathol right now, who would he have said he wanted with the fourth pick—Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb?” Dorsey pulled out his cell phone and rang Williams. I asked him the question. Williams: “Ward. The reason is our need for a press cover cornerback. Denzel probably plays that position as well as anyone I’ve seen in college football in some time. We probably play the most press of any team in the league. There’s another reason. I’ve got a video of 28 snaps of Myles Garrett pass-rushes last year where he gets within two steps or less of the quarterback when the ball comes out. Basically, we aren’t covering long enough to let him get to the quarterback. Myles and others—especially [defensive end] Emmanuel Ogbah—will get more chances because of Denzel.” Ogbah, Williams said, was a major reason why the Browns went Ward over Chubb. “Ogbah’s a rising star in this league,” Williams said. “He’s got a chance to be Chubb.” High praise.
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That says a lot ... Love it!
Zombo
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WSS posted all that elsewhere several hours ago. Welcome to the party.
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Peppers will be in or close to the box. The 20 yards back role will be played by Randall in 2018.
Two shutdown corners on one team is rare. Most are wishing they had one... and now we just might.
Peppers will be in or close to the box. The 20 yards back role will be played by Randall in 2018.
Two shutdown corners on one team is rare. Most are wishing they had one... and now we just might.
The most surprising moment for me last season is when during a game, they knocked at my door... It was Peppers asking for directions.
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Having a preference for one player over another when both are in the conversation at a given pick is not drafting "for need".
Mayfield and Ward were both in our top grouping... and with the possible exception of Brakley slipping between them... were the top two in that grouping.
Having a preference for one player over another when both are in the conversation at a given pick is not drafting "for need".
Mayfield and Ward were both in our top grouping... and with the possible exception of Brakley slipping between them... were the top two in that grouping.
I don't know........IF the Browns...or anyone had two prospects graded pretty much exactly the same, but that team had a dire need at the position that one played, but not at the position that the other played....and they drafted the guy at the position of greater need...then that is drafting for need, more or less.
No...you are not going to take a guy who grades out much lower than the other fellow....but when it seems to be a tie...or very, very close when it comes to the talent level....you do the thing that your team needs most.
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WSS posted all that elsewhere several hours ago. Welcome to the party.
WSS posted all that elsewhere several hours ago. Welcome to the party.
Sorry......didn't see it. Delete this thread then.
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I also thought it interesting that a team told Dorsey before the draft that they'd come up to pick #4 for Baker Mayfield and ONLY for Mayfield. So Dorsey wasn't the only GM that had Baker as the top QB.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/2018-draft-magnets-mayfield-browns-045315581.html?src=rss
• They got very little action on the No. 4 pick. Four teams called Dorsey with interest in moving up. None got serious. Only one team (I’d guess Arizona) offered a 2019 first-round pick as part of the package to move, which is surprising considering that two quarterbacks were still on the board when the fourth pick came up. The team willing to include its first-rounder next year said to Dorsey before the draft began: “I’m coming up for one player and one player only, and that’s Baker Mayfield.” As Dorsey said: “I knew all along it wasn’t going to happen.” So for those wondering why didn’t the Browns try to pillage some team by moving down a few spots, they never had the chance.
• Good nugget from Peter Schrager about the Patriots and Mayfield. On the NFL Network telecast, Schrager said the Patriots spent time Monday with Mayfield, which raised some eyebrows. Mike Reiss, in his Sunday column on ESPN, added the fact that it was offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels who visited Mayfield in his hometown of Austin on Monday. That would lend credence to the theory in some corners that if Mayfield dropped down to, say, six or seven in round one, New England might have been able to offer enough to move up from the 23rd pick in the round to tempt a team in trade.
• Sodium pentathol, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, came up in the wake of the Denzel Ward pick. Truth serum. My question to Dorsey on Friday morning: “If we gave Gregg Williams sodium pentathol right now, who would he have said he wanted with the fourth pick—Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb?” Dorsey pulled out his cell phone and rang Williams. I asked him the question. Williams: “Ward. The reason is our need for a press cover cornerback. Denzel probably plays that position as well as anyone I’ve seen in college football in some time. We probably play the most press of any team in the league. There’s another reason. I’ve got a video of 28 snaps of Myles Garrett pass-rushes last year where he gets within two steps or less of the quarterback when the ball comes out. Basically, we aren’t covering long enough to let him get to the quarterback. Myles and others—especially [defensive end] Emmanuel Ogbah—will get more chances because of Denzel.” Ogbah, Williams said, was a major reason why the Browns went Ward over Chubb. “Ogbah’s a rising star in this league,” Williams said. “He’s got a chance to be Chubb.” High praise.
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Dorsey knew for quite a while that he wanted Mayfield...and Williams knew he wanted Ward. (I guess you've gotta cover the receivers at least a LITTLE BIT in order to get a sack)
Go Browns!
• Sodium pentathol, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, came up in the wake of the Denzel Ward pick. Truth serum. My question to Dorsey on Friday morning: “If we gave Gregg Williams sodium pentathol right now, who would he have said he wanted with the fourth pick—Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb?” Dorsey pulled out his cell phone and rang Williams. I asked him the question. Williams: “Ward. The reason is our need for a press cover cornerback. Denzel probably plays that position as well as anyone I’ve seen in college football in some time. We probably play the most press of any team in the league. There’s another reason. I’ve got a video of 28 snaps of Myles Garrett pass-rushes last year where he gets within two steps or less of the quarterback when the ball comes out. Basically, we aren’t covering long enough to let him get to the quarterback. Myles and others—especially [defensive end] Emmanuel Ogbah—will get more chances because of Denzel.” Ogbah, Williams said, was a major reason why the Browns went Ward over Chubb. “Ogbah’s a rising star in this league,” Williams said. “He’s got a chance to be Chubb.” High praise.
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Dorsey knew for quite a while that he wanted Mayfield...and Williams knew he wanted Ward. (I guess you've gotta cover the receivers at least a LITTLE BIT in order to get a sack)
Go Browns!
Would love to have the chance to pick coach Williams' brain one day. I have a great deal of respect for the man and the defenses he crafts.
Having said that, as much as I love my Buckeyes - Denzel's own team mate just a year prior (Marshon) was a far better press corner. And there are larger receivers Ward has struggled with at times the last couple years, hence my first knock on him being that he needs to improve his strength. So saying Ward is the best press CB he has seen in a while is... Not sure how to phrase that. Just hoping Coach has watched as many DB's as he's leading on though.
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Should Pep Pep be closer to the LOS, he's going to have to clean up those angles. And the missed tackle % needs to stay low if he wants to be elite.
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• Sodium pentathol, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, came up in the wake of the Denzel Ward pick. Truth serum. My question to Dorsey on Friday morning: “If we gave Gregg Williams sodium pentathol right now, who would he have said he wanted with the fourth pick—Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb?” Dorsey pulled out his cell phone and rang Williams. I asked him the question. Williams: “Ward. The reason is our need for a press cover cornerback. Denzel probably plays that position as well as anyone I’ve seen in college football in some time. We probably play the most press of any team in the league. There’s another reason. I’ve got a video of 28 snaps of Myles Garrett pass-rushes last year where he gets within two steps or less of the quarterback when the ball comes out. Basically, we aren’t covering long enough to let him get to the quarterback. Myles and others—especially [defensive end] Emmanuel Ogbah—will get more chances because of Denzel.” Ogbah, Williams said, was a major reason why the Browns went Ward over Chubb. “Ogbah’s a rising star in this league,” Williams said. “He’s got a chance to be Chubb.” High praise.
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Dorsey knew for quite a while that he wanted Mayfield...and Williams knew he wanted Ward. (I guess you've gotta cover the receivers at least a LITTLE BIT in order to get a sack)
Go Browns!
Would love to have the chance to pick coach Williams' brain one day. I have a great deal of respect for the man and the defenses he crafts.
Having said that, as much as I love my Buckeyes - Denzel's own team mate just a year prior (Marshon) was a far better press corner. And there are larger receivers Ward has struggled with at times the last couple years, hence my first knock on him being that he needs to improve his strength. So saying Ward is the best press CB he has seen in a while is... Not sure how to phrase that. Just hoping Coach has watched as many DB's as he's leading on though.
Would love to have the chance to pick coach Williams' brain one day. I have a great deal of respect for the man and the defenses he crafts.
Having said that, as much as I love my Buckeyes - Denzel's own team mate just a year prior (Marshon) was a far better press corner. And there are larger receivers Ward has struggled with at times the last couple years, hence my first knock on him being that he needs to improve his strength. So saying Ward is the best press CB he has seen in a while is... Not sure how to phrase that. Just hoping Coach has watched as many DB's as he's leading on though.
Interesting. One of the commentators on NFL Network was discussing all of the really tall receivers that Ward will come up against this year and what a problem that is going to present for a relatively short corner coming into his rookie season with great expectations by the Browns. He better take up basketball in the summer.
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Would love to have the chance to pick coach Williams' brain one day. I have a great deal of respect for the man and the defenses he crafts.
Having said that, as much as I love my Buckeyes - Denzel's own team mate just a year prior (Marshon) was a far better press corner. And there are larger receivers Ward has struggled with at times the last couple years, hence my first knock on him being that he needs to improve his strength. So saying Ward is the best press CB he has seen in a while is... Not sure how to phrase that. Just hoping Coach has watched as many DB's as he's leading on though.
Interesting. One of the commentators on NFL Network was discussing all of the really tall receivers that Ward will come up against this year and what a problem that is going to present for a relatively short corner coming into his rookie season with great expectations by the Browns. He better take up basketball in the summer.
Interesting. One of the commentators on NFL Network was discussing all of the really tall receivers that Ward will come up against this year and what a problem that is going to present for a relatively short corner coming into his rookie season with great expectations by the Browns. He better take up basketball in the summer.
Basketball would be for footwork and vertical, of which Ward has plenty of both.
His upper body strength though... that is what concerns me.
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• Sodium pentathol, and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, came up in the wake of the Denzel Ward pick. Truth serum. My question to Dorsey on Friday morning: “If we gave Gregg Williams sodium pentathol right now, who would he have said he wanted with the fourth pick—Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb?” Dorsey pulled out his cell phone and rang Williams. I asked him the question. Williams: “Ward. The reason is our need for a press cover cornerback. Denzel probably plays that position as well as anyone I’ve seen in college football in some time. We probably play the most press of any team in the league. There’s another reason. I’ve got a video of 28 snaps of Myles Garrett pass-rushes last year where he gets within two steps or less of the quarterback when the ball comes out. Basically, we aren’t covering long enough to let him get to the quarterback. Myles and others—especially [defensive end] Emmanuel Ogbah—will get more chances because of Denzel.” Ogbah, Williams said, was a major reason why the Browns went Ward over Chubb. “Ogbah’s a rising star in this league,” Williams said. “He’s got a chance to be Chubb.” High praise.
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Dorsey knew for quite a while that he wanted Mayfield...and Williams knew he wanted Ward. (I guess you've gotta cover the receivers at least a LITTLE BIT in order to get a sack)
Go Browns!
Would love to have the chance to pick coach Williams' brain one day. I have a great deal of respect for the man and the defenses he crafts.
Having said that, as much as I love my Buckeyes - Denzel's own team mate just a year prior (Marshon) was a far better press corner. And there are larger receivers Ward has struggled with at times the last couple years, hence my first knock on him being that he needs to improve his strength. So saying Ward is the best press CB he has seen in a while is... Not sure how to phrase that. Just hoping Coach has watched as many DB's as he's leading on though.
- Denzel's own team mate just a year prior (Marshon) was a far better press corner. And there are larger receivers Ward has struggled with at times the last couple years, hence my first knock on him being that he needs to improve his strength. So saying Ward is the best press CB he has seen in a while is... Not sure how to phrase that. Just hoping Coach has watched as many DB's as he's leading on though.
agreed.Marshon went #11 to saints while we passed on Watson at #12.whew'.starting to see signs that this front office might even listen to his position coaches also. Am not even sure SB would listen to Huejax..
Interesting. One of the commentators on NFL Network was discussing all of the really tall receivers that Ward will come up against this year and what a problem that is going to present for a relatively short corner coming into his rookie season with great expectations by the Browns. He better take up basketball in the summer.
CB Curry is 6'1 & can run with ageing AJ Green..kneecap Howard Wilson is 6ft. Ward could flip coverage? if his vert can't get him up there..Stoolers WR's size will continue to be a issue, maybe
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Ward is going to be a quality starter, but not taking Chubb there is just a head scratcher.
Ward is going to be a quality starter, but not taking Chubb there is just a head scratcher.
Not really...not if you don't have a clue or did not think it through. At the time I too said basically: WTF....but then I realized what this team really needed most. Where our biggest weakness was....so then I thought that taking Ward totally made absolute sense.
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Gip - is your avatar Kent State?
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I don't get the whole Denzel Ward is short, thing. He's 5'11". Is that short for a CB? Since when were CB's supposed to be shooting forwards? (basketball term)
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I'm fine with moving my thread anywhere ya like.....but the thread wasn't really only about Ward. It was about pick #4 and why we didn't trade out of it....how the Baker pick kept us at 4....and why we didn't take Chubb.
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Gip - is your avatar Kent State?
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I don't get the whole Denzel Ward is short, thing. He's 5'11". Is that short for a CB? Since when were CB's supposed to be shooting forwards? (basketball term)
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I'm fine with moving my thread anywhere ya like.....but the thread wasn't really only about Ward. It was about pick #4 and why we didn't trade out of it....how the Baker pick kept us at 4....and why we didn't take Chubb.
Gip - is your avatar Kent State?
Yep...coming up on 48 years.
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I don't get the whole Denzel Ward is short, thing. He's 5'11". Is that short for a CB? Since when were CB's supposed to be shooting forwards? (basketball term)
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I'm fine with moving my thread anywhere ya like.....but the thread wasn't really only about Ward. It was about pick #4 and why we didn't trade out of it....how the Baker pick kept us at 4....and why we didn't take Chubb.
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I think Joe Walsh said that he was attending Kent State at the time and when that happened is when he decided to make music.
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Ward is going to be a quality starter, but not taking Chubb there is just a head scratcher.
Not really...not if you don't have a clue or did not think it through. At the time I too said basically: WTF....but then I realized what this team really needed most. Where our biggest weakness was....so then I thought that taking Ward totally made absolute sense.
Not really...not if you don't have a clue or did not think it through. At the time I too said basically: WTF....but then I realized what this team really needed most. Where our biggest weakness was....so then I thought that taking Ward totally made absolute sense.
It made sense only if Ogbah is fully recovered which appears to be the case in light of what Dorsey said about Ogbah. Makes me happy and for sure makes Garrett happy.
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I think Joe Walsh said that he was attending Kent State at the time and when that happened is when he decided to make music.
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