Lamar Jackson to the Ravens
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I was thinking the same exact thing - when they announced the Ravens selected Jackson I did not have one iota of "Uh oh". Didn't bother me at all.
Then he was interviewed on the stage, and man, he seems like he's a great kid, but the guy can barely put together a complete sentence. I'm not sure all the words he used was English. I literally said out loud: "They took THIS guy and think he's a franchise QB?"
Great kid, don't get me wrong. He seems very humble and hard working. But if you can detail to me in a paragraph or less what makes him so much more capable of being an NFL QB than say.... Pryor was when leaving tOSU - I might be willing to listen. Keep in mine, Terrelle worked in a pro-style offense, under center, with 3, 5 and 7 step drops.
Actually, I'll challenge anyone here that likes Jackson to answer that question. What traits and flashes have you seen of Lamar that would begin to make you believe he is somehow going to be an elite or even above average QB one day? Of course I ask this to be contrasted with Terrelle Pryor circa 2011. (Won't happen)
Aaaaaaand GO!
Great kid, don't get me wrong. He seems very humble and hard working. But if you can detail to me in a paragraph or less what makes him so much more capable of being an NFL QB than say.... Pryor was when leaving tOSU - I might be willing to listen. Keep in mine, Terrelle worked in a pro-style offense, under center, with 3, 5 and 7 step drops.
Actually, I'll challenge anyone here that likes Jackson to answer that question. What traits and flashes have you seen of Lamar that would begin to make you believe he is somehow going to be an elite or even above average QB one day? Of course I ask this to be contrasted with Terrelle Pryor circa 2011. (Won't happen)
Aaaaaaand GO!
Have to start by saying I don't remember TP working from under Center all that much... so I may not put up much of a fight here... but here goes...
I think Jackson is a far better Pro QB Prospect than Pryor ever was.
For one thing he has a suddenness to his running that TP lacked. TP had long-striding, "deceptive speed", but little else. I think the same contrast applies to their passing... Jackson snappier; Pryor longer.
On the move my memory of TP was that once he was in motion, he was running. Jackson seems to have extended more plays that ended up still being passes.
In the pocket... TP may as well have stood for "two progressions" because that was about his total for his tOSU days. Jackson? More scanning for "open" than true D-reading progressions, but there were periods of time, especially in 2016, when he operated from the pocket and looked good doing it.
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dude doe's not strike me as a very bright guy (Christ it's like he speaks in some other kind of language) and as soon as he cannot identify a defense he will take off and run then die just like rg3
dude doe's not strike me as a very bright guy (Christ it's like he speaks in some other kind of language) and as soon as he cannot identify a defense he will take off and run then die just like rg3
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
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dude doe's not strike me as a very bright guy (Christ it's like he speaks in some other kind of language) and as soon as he cannot identify a defense he will take off and run then die just like rg3
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
Damn that's so far behind it's funny
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dude doe's not strike me as a very bright guy (Christ it's like he speaks in some other kind of language) and as soon as he cannot identify a defense he will take off and run then die just like rg3
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
And we were led to believe that Rosen was the smartest of them all.
Smart asss is what he is. Don't like that fukker.
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dude doe's not strike me as a very bright guy (Christ it's like he speaks in some other kind of language) and as soon as he cannot identify a defense he will take off and run then die just like rg3
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
How could you forget the best QB in this draft class???
Mason Rudolph: 28
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Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
How could you forget the best QB in this draft class???
Mason Rudolph: 28
How could you forget the best QB in this draft class???
Mason Rudolph: 28
Rudolph isn't gonna do a damn thing in the league what a waste of a draft pick
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I'll bet the Browns would've taken Jackson at #33 if he was still there and I'll bet there was some sort of fumble by management when it came to trading up one spot to #32.
Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Tyrod Taylor
I'll bet the Browns would've taken Jackson at #33 if he was still there and I'll bet there was some sort of fumble by management when it came to trading up one spot to #32.
Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Tyrod Taylor
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dude doe's not strike me as a very bright guy (Christ it's like he speaks in some other kind of language) and as soon as he cannot identify a defense he will take off and run then die just like rg3
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
The NFL uses a new test: The AIQ. Athlete Intelligence Quotient
Baker Mayfield got the second highest score in history on that test (though it has only been around since 2012:
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/24/17159640/baker-mayfield-wonderlic-test-draft
Potential No. 1 overall NFL draft pick Baker Mayfield knocked a new version of the Wonderlic intelligence test way out of the park, according to The MMQB’s Robert Klemko.
At the league’s scouting combine, most prospects now take a test called the Athletic Intelligence Quotient, an exam created in 2012. A pair of doctors have spent 15 years working on it, with the goal of improving upon the Wonderlic test’s method, Klemko writes.
Of the 63 quarterbacks tested since 2012, Mayfield’s AIQ score was second-highest. Player data isn’t public, but Klemko confirmed Mayfield’s results with league sources.
"Years ago, we discovered the Wonderlic was the only test that was used to measure intelligence at the combine, and that was based off a theory from 1934,” [Dr. Scott] Goldman says. “It’s language-dependent, and it has socioeconomic and cultural biases. So we spent years looking at all the forms of intelligence and cognitive abilities that impact unsolvable puzzles.”
They debuted the test with the NFL in 2012, testing on a limited basis at the combine, and for the last two years they’ve tested each prospect invited to the combine. Now that they’ve tested thousands of future pros, they’re beginning to see results.
“I’m proud of this,” Goldman says. “We’ve found a statistically-significant correlation between our test and on-field performance, and this is the first test I’m aware of that has found that in the NFL. Players with a high AIQ tend to get on the field sooner and stay on the field longer.”
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Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
- Josh Allen: 37
- Josh Rosen: 29
- Sam Darnold: 28
- Baker Mayfield: 25
- Lamar Jackson: 13
And we were led to believe that Rosen was the smartest of them all.
Smart asss is what he is. Don't like that fukker.
And we were led to believe that Rosen was the smartest of them all.
Smart asss is what he is. Don't like that fukker.
It was the hot tub thing wasn't it? Too close to bathing?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I feel like this is gonna be bad for us in a year or so
D' uh..............do ya think so? Dude....................... We have DORSEY................ what the hell did you think was going to happen here?
D' uh..............do ya think so? Dude....................... We have DORSEY................ what the hell did you think was going to happen here?
You did not want BT4.
You cant have it both ways. The Browns are dumb for drafting Jackson one day and the next day the Browns are dumb for passing on Jackson.
Pick a side.
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For the record, I think the Browns made a mistake not grooming Kizer and giving him a real opportunity. I hope Jackson does well. The kid will be breathing down Flaccos neck.
Now you like BT2. There was nothing to groom. His best game was opening day vs the Steelers.
Kizer will never be $hit. Not even a good back up.
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I feel like this is gonna be bad for us in a year or so
Why?
Jackson will be another running QB who wont throw the ball away when the pass play is not there. He try to be Barry Sanders and will get busted up like RG3 and Vick.
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Jackson is awesome. Great situation for him.
I don't like run-first QBs, but am sick of people talking about him being a dummy and referring to his meaningless Wunderlick score. He is a good kid, and I hope he toasts the living schidt out of the Browns.If you want to talk dummies, you talk Dorsey. Passing on an OJ caliber RB for a QB that you could have taken much lower?
So much for the Browns being smart asset managers. The days of a small QB doing well in the NFL are done. hey will die with the retirement of Drew Brees.
I don't like run-first QBs, but am sick of people talking about him being a dummy and 1) referring to his meaningless Wunderlick score. He is a good kid, and 2) I hope he toasts the living schidt out of the Browns.If you want to talk dummies, you talk Dorsey. Passing on an OJ caliber RB for 3) a QB that you could have taken much lower?
So much for the Browns being smart asset managers. 4) The days of a small QB doing well in the NFL are done. hey will die with the retirement of Drew Brees.
1) Generally accepted by NFL GMs for a quarterback, below a 20 on the test- caution...
2) more trolling
3) we didn't take Baker at #1, the Jets were taking him at #3, the Pats were ready to trade way up.
4) obviously forgot abut 5' 10" Russell Wilson, and Case Keenum- 0.5 inch taller than Baker.
Yup Boo, Mr. Split personality trying to have it both ways.
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I don't like run-first QBs, but am sick of people talking about him being a dummy and 1) referring to his meaningless Wunderlick score. He is a good kid, and 2) I hope he toasts the living schidt out of the Browns.If you want to talk dummies, you talk Dorsey. Passing on an OJ caliber RB for 3) a QB that you could have taken much lower?
So much for the Browns being smart asset managers. 4) The days of a small QB doing well in the NFL are done. hey will die with the retirement of Drew Brees.
1) Generally accepted by NFL GMs for a quarterback, below a 20 on the test- caution...
2) more trolling
3) we didn't take Baker at #1, the Jets were taking him at #3, the Pats were ready to trade way up.
4) obviously forgot abut 5' 10" Russell Wilson, and Case Keenum- 0.5 inch taller than Baker.
Yup Boo, Mr. Split personality trying to have it both ways.
1) Generally accepted by NFL GMs for a quarterback, below a 20 on the test- caution...
2) more trolling
3) we didn't take Baker at #1, the Jets were taking him at #3, the Pats were ready to trade way up.
4) obviously forgot abut 5' 10" Russell Wilson, and Case Keenum- 0.5 inch taller than Baker.
Yup Boo, Mr. Split personality trying to have it both ways.
Yup, NE had their eye on Mayfield.
Barkley would have been sweet if the Browns already had the QB. They could not pass on a QB and lose their guy. I knew that Barkley would gone by 4 and I firmly believe that he will breath new life into the Giants.
Wilson, Brees, Keenum. Flutie was a baller in the NFL.
To me, its a 3 way race for 2nd spot in the AFCN without the draft picks.
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For all I have posted about Black Tarkentons, I really can't believe the topic of this RG4 QB even got responses.
People, people, people.............do I have to start putting red flag caution indicator on some of this crap? My ONLY sober thought on this idiotic topic was really to insinuate that Jackson would be another RG crapola waste of time. Good grief, the only thing this kid is going to toast is the Ravens. Still, I wouldn't have been surprised if Hue took him.
I am good with Mayfield. SOmewhere back in all this pile, I believe he was the guy I said we should go after. Again, the QB lottery is a guess. We chose one of the top QBs. YOu can't ask for more than that. What happens, happens. We will see.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
I don't like run-first QBs, but am sick of people talking about him being a dummy and 1) referring to his meaningless Wunderlick score. He is a good kid, and 2) I hope he toasts the living schidt out of the Browns.If you want to talk dummies, you talk Dorsey. Passing on an OJ caliber RB for 3) a QB that you could have taken much lower?
So much for the Browns being smart asset managers. 4) The days of a small QB doing well in the NFL are done. hey will die with the retirement of Drew Brees.
1) Generally accepted by NFL GMs for a quarterback, below a 20 on the test- caution...
2) more trolling
3) we didn't take Baker at #1, the Jets were taking him at #3, the Pats were ready to trade way up.
4) obviously forgot abut 5' 10" Russell Wilson, and Case Keenum- 0.5 inch taller than Baker.
Yup Boo, Mr. Split personality trying to have it both ways.
1) Generally accepted by NFL GMs for a quarterback, below a 20 on the test- caution...
Wonderlic de-emphasized....AIQ used more. BM had the #2 all time top score there.
2) more trolling
Really? Surprised about that!
3) we didn't take Baker at #1, the Jets were taking him at #3, the Pats were ready to trade way up.
yerp
4) obviously forgot abut 5' 10" Russell Wilson, and Case Keenum- 0.5 inch taller than Baker.
Brees...yea, he's old. How did 6'7 + Dan McGwire, Brock Osweiler, Paxton Lynch, Ryan Mallet all work out? And while he had some good times...it seems that the tallest starter in the league: Flacco, ain't performing so well now. 6'6
Yup Boo, Mr. Split personality trying to have it both ways.
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For all I have posted about Black Tarkentons, I really can't believe the topic of this RG4 QB even got responses.
People, people, people.............do I have to start putting red flag caution indicator on some of this crap? My ONLY sober thought on this idiotic topic was really to insinuate that Jackson would be another RG crapola waste of time. Good grief, the only thing this kid is going to toast is the Ravens. Still, I wouldn't have been surprised if Hue took him.
I am good with Mayfield. SOmewhere back in all this pile, I believe he was the guy I said we should go after. Again, the QB lottery is a guess. We chose one of the top QBs. YOu can't ask for more than that. What happens, happens. We will see.
For all I have posted about Black Tarkentons, I really can't believe the topic of this RG4 QB even got responses.
People, people, people.............do I have to start putting red flag caution indicator on some of this crap? My ONLY sober thought on this idiotic topic was really to insinuate that Jackson would be another RG crapola waste of time. Good grief, the only thing this kid is going to toast is the Ravens. Still, I wouldn't have been surprised if Hue took him.
I am good with Mayfield. SOmewhere back in all this pile, I believe he was the guy I said we should go after. Again, the QB lottery is a guess. We chose one of the top QBs. YOu can't ask for more than that. What happens, happens. We will see.
Why then, are we wasting our breath on him. He is a Ratpuker now. Let him wallow in that garbage.
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I feel like this is gonna be bad for us in a year or so
Why?
Jackson will be another running QB who wont throw the ball away when the pass play is not there. He try to be Barry Sanders and will get busted up like RG3 and Vick.
Why?
Jackson will be another running QB who wont throw the ball away when the pass play is not there. He try to be Barry Sanders and will get busted up like RG3 and Vick.
He had over 3500 yds passing 2 seasons in a row.
He can throw fine
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For all I have posted about Black Tarkentons, I really can't believe the topic of this RG4 QB even got responses.
People, people, people.............do I have to start putting red flag caution indicator on some of this crap? My ONLY sober thought on this idiotic topic was really to insinuate that Jackson would be another RG crapola waste of time. Good grief, the only thing this kid is going to toast is the Ravens. Still, I wouldn't have been surprised if Hue took him.
I am good with Mayfield. SOmewhere back in all this pile, I believe he was the guy I said we should go after. Again, the QB lottery is a guess. We chose one of the top QBs. YOu can't ask for more than that. What happens, happens. We will see.
For all I have posted about Black Tarkentons, I really can't believe the topic of this RG4 QB even got responses.
People, people, people.............do I have to start putting red flag caution indicator on some of this crap? My ONLY sober thought on this idiotic topic was really to insinuate that Jackson would be another RG crapola waste of time. Good grief, the only thing this kid is going to toast is the Ravens. Still, I wouldn't have been surprised if Hue took him.
For the record, I think the Browns made a mistake not grooming Kizer and giving him a real opportunity. I hope Jackson does well. The kid will be breathing down Flaccos neck.
Tuneman, can you explain to me how "Jackson doing well" and "toasting the Ravens franchise" jive together? Breathing down the starter Flaccos neck right?
GM Dorsey did not take him because that man can draft.
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Why?
Jackson will be another running QB who wont throw the ball away when the pass play is not there. He try to be Barry Sanders and will get busted up like RG3 and Vick.
He had over 3500 yds passing 2 seasons in a row.
He can throw fine
He had over 3500 yds passing 2 seasons in a row.
He can throw fine
OH yeah?
Over 1500 rushing yards in consecutive seasons. At least 18 rushing TDs in each season. Jackson averaged 20 carries per game x 13 games in 2016. Averaged 18 carries per game x 13 games in 2017. You think he will suddenly stop running? The odds are not in your favor that he will.
56% completion rate in 2016. Same as Josh Allen. Ask all the Allen haters here why this number sucks.
59% completion rate in 2017. Headed to a league where it all gets real.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-jackson-1.html
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