Dorsey's out on a limb
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Everyon who drafts players is out on a limb, don't you think?
Yes. But some limbs appear stronger than others. Darnold was the consensus safest QB pick (in the media and pundit's mind(s)). When you go against the grain, your need to be right increases. Let's say a bunch of us went for a hike. On the way back we come to a fork and most everyone says we should go left, but one person says No, we're going right. Well, OoKaay...but ya better be right.....
There's a lot of failed QB names on the back of that jersey that no longer hangs in that Cleveland store-front. We are the QB laughing stock of the league. It takes guts to NOT go with the safe pick if you're a Cleveland Browns draft picker. --- I'm just sayin'.........
Now, do I want Mayfield (and Callaway) to succeed? I absolutely do. I'm going to support them and give them the benefit of the doubt.
And having said all this stuff about going out on a limb as opposed to being careful and picking Darnold, I (we), would NOT want Dorsey to have pick Darnold because he wanted the security of the pundits when all the while he actually felt that Mayfield was the best QB (or best QB for us). We all want Dorsey to be right. I'm anxious to see the preseason games that's for sure.
Yes. But some limbs appear stronger than others. Darnold was the consensus safest QB pick (in the media and pundit's mind(s)). When you go against the grain, your need to be right increases. Let's say a bunch of us went for a hike. On the way back we come to a fork and most everyone says we should go left, but one person says No, we're going right. Well, OoKaay...but ya better be right.....
There's a lot of failed QB names on the back of that jersey that no longer hangs in that Cleveland store-front. We are the QB laughing stock of the league. It takes guts to NOT go with the safe pick if you're a Cleveland Browns draft picker. --- I'm just sayin'.........
Now, do I want Mayfield (and Callaway) to succeed? I absolutely do. I'm going to support them and give them the benefit of the doubt.
And having said all this stuff about going out on a limb as opposed to being careful and picking Darnold, I (we), would NOT want Dorsey to have pick Darnold because he wanted the security of the pundits when all the while he actually felt that Mayfield was the best QB (or best QB for us). We all want Dorsey to be right. I'm anxious to see the preseason games that's for sure.
Screw the pundits. Their job is to accumulate clicks and they will turn on you in the wink of a young girl's eye.
WSS
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Yes. But some limbs appear stronger than others. Darnold was the consensus safest QB pick (in the media and pundit's mind(s)). When you go against the grain, your need to be right increases. Let's say a bunch of us went for a hike. On the way back we come to a fork and most everyone says we should go left, but one person says No, we're going right. Well, OoKaay...but ya better be right.....
There's a lot of failed QB names on the back of that jersey that no longer hangs in that Cleveland store-front. We are the QB laughing stock of the league. It takes guts to NOT go with the safe pick if you're a Cleveland Browns draft picker. --- I'm just sayin'.........
Now, do I want Mayfield (and Callaway) to succeed? I absolutely do. I'm going to support them and give them the benefit of the doubt.
And having said all this stuff about going out on a limb as opposed to being careful and picking Darnold, I (we), would NOT want Dorsey to have pick Darnold because he wanted the security of the pundits when all the while he actually felt that Mayfield was the best QB (or best QB for us). We all want Dorsey to be right. I'm anxious to see the preseason games that's for sure.
Screw the pundits. Their job is to accumulate clicks and they will turn on you in the wink of a young girl's eye.
WSS
Screw the pundits.
Yup... If the pundits were better draft evaluators then they'd be GMs.
Plus far more damaging or beneficial than beat-writer reports of "what they are hearing around the league" during the build up to the Draft is the post-Draft, owners' chit chat over single malts at their meetings about what their GMs' views were. If you think folks here have felt relief at hearing all the reported positives on Baker since the Draft, just imagine how Jimmah felt at the recent owners' meeting hearing, "My guy was really high on Mayfield as well."
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I don’t mind taking a flyer on Callaway, if he doesn’t work out...it’s not like we haven’t wasted a 4th round pick before.
I remember a 4th round WR drafted by Ray Farmer by the name of Vince Mayle.
He didn’t even make the 53 man roster (or even make the PS) and was cut before the regular season began.
I don’t mind taking a flyer on Callaway, if he doesn’t work out...it’s not like we haven’t wasted a 4th round pick before.
I remember a 4th round WR drafted by Ray Farmer by the name of Vince Mayle.
He didn’t even make the 53 man roster (or even make the PS) and was cut before the regular season began.
Games Rushing Receiving Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 23 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 2 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2 yrs DAL 7 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 1 yr BAL 16 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2015 24 DAL 85 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 0 0 0 0 2016 25 DAL 16 6 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 26 BAL 88 16 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 2 1 0 0 these are his career stats. The fact that he ran the ball for a TD is amazing. I guess he has played some special teams mostly for the Cowgirls and the Ratpukers.
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I don’t mind taking a flyer on Callaway, if he doesn’t work out...it’s not like we haven’t wasted a 4th round pick before.
I remember a 4th round WR drafted by Ray Farmer by the name of Vince Mayle.
He didn’t even make the 53 man roster (or even make the PS) and was cut before the regular season began.
Games Rushing Receiving Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 23 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 2 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2 yrs DAL 7 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 1 yr BAL 16 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2015 24 DAL 85 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 0 0 0 0 2016 25 DAL 16 6 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 26 BAL 88 16 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 2 1 0 0 these are his career stats. The fact that he ran the ball for a TD is amazing. I guess he has played some special teams mostly for the Cowgirls and the Ratpukers.
Games Rushing Receiving Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 23 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 2 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2 yrs DAL 7 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 1 yr BAL 16 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2015 24 DAL 85 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 0 0 0 0 2016 25 DAL 16 6 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 26 BAL 88 16 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 2 1 0 0 these are his career stats. The fact that he ran the ball for a TD is amazing. I guess he has played some special teams mostly for the Cowgirls and the Ratpukers.
Yep...sounds like a Ray Farmer pick.
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Games Rushing Receiving Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 23 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 2 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2 yrs DAL 7 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 1 yr BAL 16 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2015 24 DAL 85 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 0 0 0 0 2016 25 DAL 16 6 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 26 BAL 88 16 0 2 2 1 2 1.0 0.1 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 2 1 0 0 these are his career stats. The fact that he ran the ball for a TD is amazing. I guess he has played some special teams mostly for the Cowgirls and the Ratpukers.
Yep...sounds like a Ray Farmer pick.
Yep...sounds like a Ray Farmer pick.
He hated WRs...so he looked for about the worst one he could find.
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We signed Tyrod?
I fully expect Dorsey to wake up in a cold sweat while dreaming that Callaway robbed a Seven Eleven and Mayfield crashed the get-away car because he was drunk.
Sorry... had to laugh at your close.
All GMs start out on a ledge with one foot on a banana peel and have to earn every incremental increase in security. And as Dorsey showed in KC they can do well and still screw it up.
In CLE Dorsey has a year-one mulligan in his pocket named Hue. Any Mayfield issues will be put on his "handling". Additionally both our Round 1 picks had enough backing, enough viability pre-draft that any initial failure would not be significantly damaging.
The danger I see begins with pick 2.01. Aside from Chubb there's not a single pick that does not look like a reach. Callaway might hit the 7/11, but even worse would be if he stayed clean and simply sucked.
We signed Tyrod?
Sorry... had to laugh at your close.
All GMs start out on a ledge with one foot on a banana peel and have to earn every incremental increase in security. And as Dorsey showed in KC they can do well and still screw it up.
In CLE Dorsey has a year-one mulligan in his pocket named Hue. Any Mayfield issues will be put on his "handling". Additionally both our Round 1 picks had enough backing, enough viability pre-draft that any initial failure would not be significantly damaging.
The danger I see begins with pick 2.01. Aside from Chubb there's not a single pick that does not look like a reach. Callaway might hit the 7/11, but even worse would be if he stayed clean and simply sucked.
disagree I expect Corbett to start at LT this year That is why he was drafted at #33 not to be kicked inside or used as depth as some morons have said so no this pick was not a reach
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Since the return... This is the first draft that ever felt "Right" with me...We didnt take a bunch of no names. Nor do I feel any of the picks were reaching... Time will tell.. I hope they got it right.. And like Ghoulie mentioned... The more I read up on Baker... The more I begin to feel hes 'the one'.. However.. I'll temper that enthusiasm with guarded trepidation...
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We signed Tyrod?
Sorry... had to laugh at your close.
All GMs start out on a ledge with one foot on a banana peel and have to earn every incremental increase in security. And as Dorsey showed in KC they can do well and still screw it up.
In CLE Dorsey has a year-one mulligan in his pocket named Hue. Any Mayfield issues will be put on his "handling". Additionally both our Round 1 picks had enough backing, enough viability pre-draft that any initial failure would not be significantly damaging.
The danger I see begins with pick 2.01. Aside from Chubb there's not a single pick that does not look like a reach. Callaway might hit the 7/11, but even worse would be if he stayed clean and simply sucked.
disagree I expect Corbett to start at LT this year That is why he was drafted at #33 not to be kicked inside or used as depth as some morons have said so no this pick was not a reach
I expect Corbett to start at LT this year That is why he was drafted at #33
Yup, I expect them to work him at LT in competition with anyone else on the roster that might suit that position. I don't think they want to say anything that makes it sound like he's 'the guy to beat' to be LT because they don't want to put pressure on him...plus, it leaves them an 'out' in case he can't be a LT.
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We signed Tyrod?
I fully expect Dorsey to wake up in a cold sweat while dreaming that Callaway robbed a Seven Eleven and Mayfield crashed the get-away car because he was drunk.
Sorry... had to laugh at your close.
All GMs start out on a ledge with one foot on a banana peel and have to earn every incremental increase in security. And as Dorsey showed in KC they can do well and still screw it up.
In CLE Dorsey has a year-one mulligan in his pocket named Hue. Any Mayfield issues will be put on his "handling". Additionally both our Round 1 picks had enough backing, enough viability pre-draft that any initial failure would not be significantly damaging.
The danger I see begins with pick 2.01. Aside from Chubb there's not a single pick that does not look like a reach. Callaway might hit the 7/11, but even worse would be if he stayed clean and simply sucked.
The danger I see begins with pick 2.01. Aside from Chubb there's not a single pick that does not look like a reach. Callaway might hit the 7/11, but even worse would be if he stayed clean and simply sucked.
We've made reaches in the past that seemed to of worked out before. I'm hoping the lineman we took early pans out greatly.
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My only complaint is that we did not use a bit of the late round ammo to move ahead of BB and take Michel. I'm not disappointed that we took Chubb where we did since all the best RBs would be gone by our late 2nd rounder, but I really liked Michel just a bit more than his teammate. That damn BB really knows his football players. Either we had those two graded equally (or maybe Chubb as better) or we took a chance that no one would take him in the first round and lost.
BTW-Fornette and Elliot are proving the forgotten value of RBs being taken higher in the draft and I think we just saw that play out this year. Three in the first and all the best before the end of the second.
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We signed Tyrod?
Sorry... had to laugh at your close.
All GMs start out on a ledge with one foot on a banana peel and have to earn every incremental increase in security. And as Dorsey showed in KC they can do well and still screw it up.
In CLE Dorsey has a year-one mulligan in his pocket named Hue. Any Mayfield issues will be put on his "handling". Additionally both our Round 1 picks had enough backing, enough viability pre-draft that any initial failure would not be significantly damaging.
The danger I see begins with pick 2.01. Aside from Chubb there's not a single pick that does not look like a reach. Callaway might hit the 7/11, but even worse would be if he stayed clean and simply sucked.
disagree I expect Corbett to start at LT this year That is why he was drafted at #33 not to be kicked inside or used as depth as some morons have said so no this pick was not a reach
disagree I expect Corbett to start at LT this year That is why he was drafted at #33 not to be kicked inside or used as depth as some morons have said so no this pick was not a reach
I agree except the moron part. I have a bet with Tour ... I'm thinking lunch and a cold beer at The Corner Alley.
Zombo
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My only complaint is that we did not use a bit of the late round ammo to move ahead of BB and take Michel. I'm not disappointed that we took Chubb where we did since all the best RBs would be gone by our late 2nd rounder, but I really liked Michel just a bit more than his teammate. TexAg
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Nope.
I'm a big fan of both Michel and Chubb. They are different type rb's. However, if you read up on evals of both...
going with Chubb was brilliant, in the second round:
more on both:
https://www.dawgnation.com/football/nick-chubb-sony-michel-goes-first-nfl-draft-not-sure-thing
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Good write-ups cal. But you have to add in the BB factor. Somehow that guy finds the players every year and the fact that he had his choice of either and went with Michel is telling.
But again as I've said I am glad we chose Chubb where we did. He is an excellent inside runner with vision which we really need. He's far better than Crow and with Hyde added in too we have some real weapons to chose from in the backfield, both of whom also can be 3rd down backs with hands. It also I think relieves our "U" player so he can back up Landry in the slot. Don't be surprised if that's where he's listed on the two deep come Sept.
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Everyon who drafts players is out on a limb, don't you think?
Yes. But some limbs appear stronger than others. Darnold was the consensus safest QB pick (in the media and pundit's mind(s)). When you go against the grain, your need to be right increases. Let's say a bunch of us went for a hike. On the way back we come to a fork and most everyone says we should go left, but one person says No, we're going right. Well, OoKaay...but ya better be right.....
There's a lot of failed QB names on the back of that jersey that no longer hangs in that Cleveland store-front. We are the QB laughing stock of the league. It takes guts to NOT go with the safe pick if you're a Cleveland Browns draft picker. --- I'm just sayin'.........
Now, do I want Mayfield (and Callaway) to succeed? I absolutely do. I'm going to support them and give them the benefit of the doubt.
And having said all this stuff about going out on a limb as opposed to being careful and picking Darnold, I (we), would NOT want Dorsey to have pick Darnold because he wanted the security of the pundits when all the while he actually felt that Mayfield was the best QB (or best QB for us). We all want Dorsey to be right. I'm anxious to see the preseason games that's for sure.
Yes. But some limbs appear stronger than others. Darnold was the consensus safest QB pick (in the media and pundit's mind(s)). When you go against the grain, your need to be right increases. Let's say a bunch of us went for a hike. On the way back we come to a fork and most everyone says we should go left, but one person says No, we're going right. Well, OoKaay...but ya better be right.....
There's a lot of failed QB names on the back of that jersey that no longer hangs in that Cleveland store-front. We are the QB laughing stock of the league. It takes guts to NOT go with the safe pick if you're a Cleveland Browns draft picker. --- I'm just sayin'.........
Now, do I want Mayfield (and Callaway) to succeed? I absolutely do. I'm going to support them and give them the benefit of the doubt.
And having said all this stuff about going out on a limb as opposed to being careful and picking Darnold, I (we), would NOT want Dorsey to have pick Darnold because he wanted the security of the pundits when all the while he actually felt that Mayfield was the best QB (or best QB for us). We all want Dorsey to be right. I'm anxious to see the preseason games that's for sure.
yeah, the pundits were high on Mandrich, too. They don't know Sheet.
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Everyon who drafts players is out on a limb, don't you think? I mean, no matter who it is, if your draftees do well, you keep your job. The people who drafted Rosen, Darnold, Jackson and whatshisass are also out on a limb. If Mayfield is better than all of them, they will get pressured as to why they didn't try to trade up and get him. Dorsey is fine.
& fer sure, at least one, maybe a couple of the 2018 QB crop will bust. (It had just not better be Baker, but I feel really good about the pick) It's almost gotten funny watching First Round Draft Night, with all they hype these guys get. It's a damn historical guarantee 1\3 of them will bust and another 1\3 will under perform.
& fer sure, at least one, maybe a couple of the 2018 QB crop will bust. (It had just not better be Baker, but I feel really good about the pick) It's almost gotten funny watching First Round Draft Night, with all they hype these guys get. It's a damn historical guarantee 1\3 of them will bust and another 1\3 will under perform.
And how did this jackoff Kiper become an Authority? The guy basically calls everyone a good pick. His head is huge.
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& fer sure, at least one, maybe a couple of the 2018 QB crop will bust. (It had just not better be Baker, but I feel really good about the pick) It's almost gotten funny watching First Round Draft Night, with all they hype these guys get. It's a damn historical guarantee 1\3 of them will bust and another 1\3 will under perform.
And how did this jackoff Kiper become an Authority? The guy basically calls everyone a good pick. His head is huge.
And how did this jackoff Kiper become an Authority? The guy basically calls everyone a good pick. His head is huge.
Well, back in the day, he used to lambaste teams for some of their picks. I remember him saying something to the affect, "And this is why the Colts will always be bad...making picks like this". And Irsay later saying, "Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway?"
I think he changed his style a little so as not to be so hated.
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And how did this jackoff Kiper become an Authority? The guy basically calls everyone a good pick. His head is huge.
Well, back in the day, he used to lambaste teams for some of their picks. I remember him saying something to the affect, "And this is why the Colts will always be bad...making picks like this". And Irsay later saying, "Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway?"
I think he changed his style a little so as not to be so hated.
Well, back in the day, he used to lambaste teams for some of their picks. I remember him saying something to the affect, "And this is why the Colts will always be bad...making picks like this". And Irsay later saying, "Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway?"
I think he changed his style a little so as not to be so hated.
That was not Irsay....that was a GM of the Colts (before Polian) ...named Bill Tobin.... who got fired for making such bad draft picks.
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