POLL: When will Baker start?
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He should start when
A. Taylor goes down
B. It becomes clear he's demonstrably and objectively better than Taylor
He should not start in his rookie year if
A. Taylor is healthy
B. Taylor struggles but isn't actively losing games.
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He should start when
A. Taylor goes down
B. It becomes clear he's demonstrably and objectively better than Taylor
He should not start in his rookie year if
A. Taylor is healthy
B. Taylor struggles but isn't actively losing games.
He should start when
A. Taylor goes down
B. It becomes clear he's demonstrably and objectively better than Taylor
He should not start in his rookie year if
A. Taylor is healthy
B. Taylor struggles but isn't actively losing games.
the top and bottom will likely/hopefully contradict each other. I sure as hell hope at some point this year, and relatively early in it, it becomes clear the #1 pick in the entire draft(who is 23 years old already and most definately not a project) is better than tyrod taylor.......if it doesn't, we've likely drafted the wrong guy
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He should start when
A. Taylor goes down
B. It becomes clear he's demonstrably and objectively better than Taylor
He should not start in his rookie year if
A. Taylor is healthy
B. Taylor struggles but isn't actively losing games.
the top and bottom will likely/hopefully contradict each other. I sure as hell hope at some point this year, and relatively early in it, it becomes clear the #1 pick in the entire draft(who is 23 years old already and most definately not a project) is better than tyrod taylor.......if it doesn't, we've likely drafted the wrong guy
the top and bottom will likely/hopefully contradict each other. I sure as hell hope at some point this year, and relatively early in it, it becomes clear the #1 pick in the entire draft(who is 23 years old already and most definately not a project) is better than tyrod taylor.......if it doesn't, we've likely drafted the wrong guy
I do not expect that at all the first year. One breakdown showed he took exactly 7 snaps under center last year. He has a lot to learn about the pro offense and that just does not happen overnight as we have seen with just about every new QB the Browns have had since '99. This is not a footrace to throw him in when you have a QB who HAS taken a team to the playoffs already there to learn from. There is no magic fairy dust to convert a college QB into a pro QB by midnight.
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The wins or lack thereof should not be a factor in when Mayfield plays. The problem is, The Quarterback Bungler is in charge of that.
I don't think starting Baker would be a bungle... that would be starting-benching-then starting him again.
The pressure will come from the slew of Browns fans who see their ludicrous 8-8-ish... or higher... projections fading early. It's a time tested scenario.
If we start 0-4, which is a distinct possibility, the only way your "should" has a chance in hell of being in effect is if Dorsey/Haslam have ordered Hue to sit Baker for a prescribed number of weeks greater than 4... and even then we know the depth of Haslam's resolve.
In the alternative say we open 0-3, Taylor gets nicked Week 3 and is out a month. Stanton looks like Stanton in relief Week 3 and all Week 4 and we go 0-4? Week 5? Ditto about half of the above chance in hell.
There's a growing chorus of those who believe that Baker will win the job and start Week 1. While I'm not quite there yet, I've moved up my first-start projection from after our Bye Week to Week 5... and I'm eyeballing Week 4 on the road. In either case a likely relief appearance precedes the start.
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I'd like to see Baker sit and learn.
For how many winless weeks?
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I'd like to see Baker sit and learn.
For how many winless weeks?
For how many winless weeks?
I will say it again. I hope the Browns just put Baker in when THEY, and not the record, the fans or the pundits cry for it. In reality, you can't keep a #1 #1 QB draft on the bench all year. YOu drafted him to play and play he must.
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The wins or lack thereof should not be a factor in when Mayfield plays. The problem is, The Quarterback Bungler is in charge of that.
I don't think starting Baker would be a bungle... that would be starting-benching-then starting him again.
The pressure will come from the slew of Browns fans who see their ludicrous 8-8-ish... or higher... projections fading early. It's a time tested scenario.
If we start 0-4, which is a distinct possibility, the only way your "should" has a chance in hell of being in effect is if Dorsey/Haslam have ordered Hue to sit Baker for a prescribed number of weeks greater than 4... and even then we know the depth of Haslam's resolve.
In the alternative say we open 0-3, Taylor gets nicked Week 3 and is out a month. Stanton looks like Stanton in relief Week 3 and all Week 4 and we go 0-4? Week 5? Ditto about half of the above chance in hell.
There's a growing chorus of those who believe that Baker will win the job and start Week 1. While I'm not quite there yet, I've moved up my first-start projection from after our Bye Week to Week 5... and I'm eyeballing Week 4 on the road. In either case a likely relief appearance precedes the start.
I don't think starting Baker would be a bungle... that would be starting-benching-then starting him again. It is history that tells me that Hue is a Quarterback Bungler...for the reason that you state. I have no faith in him. I did at first...but his actions eroded that faith. So, faith once lost has to be earned back. I'd prefer not to see if Hue can do that. I'd like TieRod, and the other new components of the offense, be able to gel well enough to win enough games to keep Baker learning from the sidelines....
The pressure will come from the slew of Browns fans
The coaches, etc. should not be swayed from doing the right thing buy a bunch of short-sighted fans. (the infamous 'should' again)
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If the last 2 or 3 games at the end of the season and the Browns are out of any possible playoff contention I see no harm in giving him a start or two.
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It would be great if a Derek Anderson/Brady Quinn scenario played out this season... where the bridge guy plays unexpectedly well and it keeps the rookie off the field.
Then again, this played out somewhat the same way for Hoyer and Manziel, but Billy was still forced upon the world.
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If the last 2 or 3 games at the end of the season and the Browns are out of any possible playoff contention I see no harm in giving him a start or two.
If the last 2 or 3 games at the end of the season and the Browns are out of any possible playoff contention I see no harm in giving him a start or two.
That seems fair.
I highly doubt that in that scenario Mayfield would come in and be overwhelmed. He might not perform that great, but it won't be because he's not prepared.
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The media has been all over the place on this, from many thinking Baker will sit all year to Andrew Brandt proclaiming Baker will start week 1.
6 of the last 7 QBs taken first overall have started week 1, so the odds are certainly in favor of Baker starting right away.
What do you guys think? When will Baker make his first start?
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I'm not sure if I chose the third option because I think this or because I really hope that this happens.
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You could add 2019 as a choice but due to injuries and other things it will probably be in 2018.
You could add 2019 as a choice but due to injuries and other things it will probably be in 2018.
Good point. I added it. Didn’t even think of it as an option because this is the Browns we’re talking about
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Good point. I added it. Didn’t even think of it as an option because this is the Browns we’re talking about
It did happen in 2007, when Brady Quinn never started in his rookie season after being taken with the 22nd overall pick.
But history doesn't seem on the side of Mayfield sitting out the season.
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What if Tyrod Taylor wins the SuperBowl?
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Mayfield will win the job during the preseason.
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Taylor has never had a cast around him like he's about to get. Hyde, Chubb, Duke, Njoku, DeValve, Gordon, Landry, Coleman, Callaway...
Then the Defense is as fierce as ever. DBs all over the place, amazing LBs and one of the best DLs ever put together.
Ogunjobi is massive, he's only gotten bigger since last year. Garrett and Ogbah are A+ talents and when they have a chance to play together for an extended period of time- they'll wreck havoc! Depth is nice as well, don't sleep on Nassib or Orchard just yet, plus add in CJ to the mix, that's a big bad load of whoop butt...
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