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POLL: When will Baker start?

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  • I chose week 5-8. As much as I'd like to see Mayfield win it outright in camp (like Russell Wilson did), I saw value in Bernie Kosar learning from watching Gary Danielson for the 1st 5-6 weeks. Keep in mind, Tyrod Taylor has a lot more starting experience than Matt Flynn had prior to getting beat out by a rookie.  Seattle didn't sign Flynn to a 26 million $ contract at the time with plans to have him lose the starting job to a rookie in training camp. If memory serves me right - most of it was guaranteed.

    Jax announced Bortles wouldn't start as a rookie before they named him a starter as a rookie. Pittsburgh announced Tommy Maddox was their starter after giving him a brand new contract heading into Roethlisberger's rookie year.  Maddox got hurt and never started again. 

    I've seen guys like Aaron Rodgers, Steve McNair, and Philip Rivers benefit from not starting 1 game their 1st year.  And would the upper 1st round trade for Rivers have been a necessity for SD if Brees didn't have a horrible 3rd season while his team finished with the worst record in the NFL?  QBs all emerge at all different rates.

    Even though some rookie QBs have made it look easy early on - NONE of them had to play here on a team coming off 1-31 football.  I'd like to start the season off with an experienced QB that is good at not turning the ball over showing an inexperienced QB the value of that toward our chances of winning.  We've upgraded the depth and talent of our RB position while we've done the same thing to the WR position so efficient QBing will complement that well.  Aside from that, Taylor has some jets when/if needed.  It would be nice to see something shake out similar to 1985.  Has it really been that FREAKIN long? 

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  • He'll start Week 17 while we rest Tyrod for the Playoffs.

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  • GhoolieG Ghoolie

    @tour2ma said:

    For how many winless weeks?

    I will say it again. I hope the Browns just put Baker in when THEY, and not the record, the fans or the pundits cry for it. In reality, you can't keep a #1  #1 QB draft on the bench all year. YOu drafted him to play and play he must.

    @ghoolie said:

    I will say it again. I hope the Browns just put Baker in when THEY, and not the record, the fans or the pundits cry for it. In reality, you can't keep a #1  #1 QB draft on the bench all year. YOu drafted him to play and play he must.

    so many different ways to look at this But if they feel he is ready put him in week one and let him build some chemistry with the team and just pray to god we can run the damn ball (hugh you F.ucking idiot)

  • sydS syd

    @ghoolie said:

    I will say it again. I hope the Browns just put Baker in when THEY, and not the record, the fans or the pundits cry for it. In reality, you can't keep a #1  #1 QB draft on the bench all year. YOu drafted him to play and play he must.

    so many different ways to look at this But if they feel he is ready put him in week one and let him build some chemistry with the team and just pray to god we can run the damn ball (hugh you F.ucking idiot)

    @syd said:

    so many different ways to look at this But if they feel he is ready put him in week one and let him build some chemistry with the team and just pray to god we can run the damn ball (hugh you F.ucking idiot)

    We have to hope that Hue is going to come through in spades now that he really has some talent. I have been hard on Black Uncle Fester, and if he has a tentative team after all this, I will really be relentless. I am one who is not all wte in the poosy over continuity and consistency.... really, these things are useless if one does not have talent to put something together worth being continuous about. However, whatever the Browns do with Baker, hey damned well better stick to it, ride it out, and not abandon ship when the going gets rough. I don't want to see Baker get treated like Kizer did.

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  • GhoolieG Ghoolie

    @syd said:

    so many different ways to look at this But if they feel he is ready put him in week one and let him build some chemistry with the team and just pray to god we can run the damn ball (hugh you F.ucking idiot)

    We have to hope that Hue is going to come through in spades now that he really has some talent. I have been hard on Black Uncle Fester, and if he has a tentative team after all this, I will really be relentless. I am one who is not all wte in the poosy over continuity and consistency.... really, these things are useless if one does not have talent to put something together worth being continuous about. However, whatever the Browns do with Baker, hey damned well better stick to it, ride it out, and not abandon ship when the going gets rough. I don't want to see Baker get treated like Kizer did.

    @ghoolie said:

    We have to hope that Hue is going to come through in spades now that he really has some talent. I have been hard on Black Uncle Fester, and if he has a tentative team after all this, I will really be relentless. I am one who is not all wte in the poosy over continuity and consistency.... really, these things are useless if one does not have talent to put something together worth being continuous about. However, whatever the Browns do with Baker, hey damned well better stick to it, ride it out, and not abandon ship when the going gets rough. I don't want to see Baker get treated like Kizer did.

    Or worse like he did when he took Kessler out of a winning game.

  • GhoolieG Ghoolie

    @syd said:

    so many different ways to look at this But if they feel he is ready put him in week one and let him build some chemistry with the team and just pray to god we can run the damn ball (hugh you F.ucking idiot)

    We have to hope that Hue is going to come through in spades now that he really has some talent. I have been hard on Black Uncle Fester, and if he has a tentative team after all this, I will really be relentless. I am one who is not all wte in the poosy over continuity and consistency.... really, these things are useless if one does not have talent to put something together worth being continuous about. However, whatever the Browns do with Baker, hey damned well better stick to it, ride it out, and not abandon ship when the going gets rough. I don't want to see Baker get treated like Kizer did.

    @ghoolie said:

    We have to hope that Hue is going to come through in spades now that he really has some talent. I have been hard on Black Uncle Fester, and if he has a tentative team after all this, I will really be relentless. I am one who is not all wte in the poosy over continuity and consistency.... really, these things are useless if one does not have talent to put something together worth being continuous about. However, whatever the Browns do with Baker, hey damned well better stick to it, ride it out, and not abandon ship when the going gets rough. I don't want to see Baker get treated like Kizer did.

    nah man you were right from day one when i first starting posting here,hugh is and was a clown

  • sydS syd

    @ghoolie said:

    We have to hope that Hue is going to come through in spades now that he really has some talent. I have been hard on Black Uncle Fester, and if he has a tentative team after all this, I will really be relentless. I am one who is not all wte in the poosy over continuity and consistency.... really, these things are useless if one does not have talent to put something together worth being continuous about. However, whatever the Browns do with Baker, hey damned well better stick to it, ride it out, and not abandon ship when the going gets rough. I don't want to see Baker get treated like Kizer did.

    nah man you were right from day one when i first starting posting here,hugh is and was a clown

    @syd said:

    nah man you were right from day one when i first starting posting here,hugh is and was a clown

    He was actually responding to a call to duty by the Browns!! 

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  • I don't know that baker is a long term answer at qb or 'the' guy going forward for the next decade.  That is certainly tbd. but yeah we need to give him enough action so we sorta know

  • Tyrod is definitely better than some people are giving him credit for, I really believe that. There are a couple of situations that propel Baker into the starting lineup, and the one I've been contemplating lately is whether or not Tyrod Taylor will have the ability to throw the ball around the field like our coaches want. 

    The mind-blowing thing is, our team might have the best collection of skill position receivers in the game. It's almost comical when you look at last year (especially after Corey was hurt), and when you look at this year. Will Tyrod have the ability to push the ball down the field, take the necessary chances, hit people in stride, and find ways to get our top playmakers the rock in positions to make things happen? 

    Obviously I HOPE so, but I'm not sure. Tyrod is beyond careful as a QB, and that can be a strength as well as a hindrance. I have a vision of our offense kicking A LOT of FG's (scary because I DON'T trust our kicker yet) because Tyrod simply won't take chances in the red zone, and again, that can be a good thing. But how many games does our team lose because we get 3 and give up 7? This is the biggest factor (to me) in Baker Mayfield starting earlier than people expect because he's going to trust his accuracy, take the calculated deep shots, and he's historically been able to hit people in stride for copious amounts of YAC. 

    If we're losing games, and the coaches are seeing missed opportunities on game film, the Baker Mayfield train will start warming up at the station ASSUMING he's shown mastery of the playbook, the ability to move the offense in practice, and of course the propensity of finishing off drives. Now, if we're losing games and Baker doesn't appear ready, then I don't think we'll see him. Our coaches and front office are pretty stubborn people, and they don't give a crap about external pressure. 

    What do I expect to happen? I expect Tyrod to play like Tyrod. He's now surrounded by the best weapons he's ever had, probably by a giant margin. When you talk about Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Duke Johnson, David Njoku, Corey Coleman, Seth Devalve, and possibly Antonio Callaway as receiving threats, you're talking about guys that create mismatch problems for the defense, and guys that excel at operating at different parts of the field. I expect Tyrod to have similar numbers to the last couple years, but I do expect them to be slightly better because I think we'll be down in the score more often than not, causing us to pass more, and I think Tyrod's numbers will organically improve based on the talent on the field. 

    Again, there are several factors that could propel Baker Mayfield onto the field earlier than some might think, and one of the top reasons could be Tyrod's inability to distribute the ball to our vast array of playmakers. If we're punting too much, settling for too many FG's, and our coaches are seeing too many missed opportunities, then I believe the Baker timetable will be moved up exponentially. Even if our team is something like 3-5 through the first 8 games, Baker might be tossed out there if he's demonstrating the ability to move the ball effectively in practice compared to the cautious approach practiced by Tyrod. 

    To be honest, I think our entire season comes down to defense. It's fun to discuss offense because we drafted a QB #1 overall, and we somehow now have an embarrassment of riches at skill positions, but defense is going to determine whether or not we actually win some games. We were last or close to it in terms of red zone defense, and teams seemingly scored at will when they got close (I think it got a bit better as the season went on, but not much). Can we pressure the QB WITHOUT blitzing? Can we actually create some freaking turnovers? Those 2 things will determine so much of our success, but we can discuss defense on another thread, as in typical Jiggins fashion I've written another novel. 

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