WR position
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Good stuff. I’m hopeful for Coleman too. Mostly because the guy has flashed some skills, and l hate the thought of yet another first round bust.
Another thing going for him, and Higgins and Louis conceivably, is it’s a real young group of receivers. Dorsey seems to like a good balance of vet presence to balance out the rookies, hence the Landry and Janis signings.
Also, if Landry really does do more than slot receiver as Gumby theorized, someone will have to fill that role. Higgins looked good doing it, and conceivably Coleman has the speed, size, and shiftiness to do it. Not sure where Louis fits in, but l hope he turns heads doing whatever that is just cuz l like people named Ricardo.
"I like people named Ricardo." LMAO
Well, I have bad news for Ricardo. Remember last preseason when we kept hearing about how different he looked and how he was primed for a breakout year? Must've been 3 articles about him. He certainly LOOKED the part, but he never put it together. Now, playing with Kizer certainly didn't help, but we all know Ricardo "Skillet Hands" Louis wasn't doing himself any favors. I don't recall how many drops he had, but it seemed like a bunch.
All indications are that Corey is working hard, and when someone works hard, good things can happen. He's got a real QB (finally), and he's got talent around him to take the load off. Trading him now makes NO sense, EVEN IF Callaway looks amazing. Why? Because Callaway is a wrong move away from major suspension, and we can't risk it. Callaway is also raw, and I don't see us getting ANY value in trading Coleman. I want to see Coleman catching the ball in SPACE and Haley is one of the best at making that happen. Believe me when I say that most teams will HAVE to double Josh Gordon for many plays. That should help SOMEONE get open.
Why? Because Callaway is a wrong move away from major suspension, and we can't risk it. Callaway is also raw, and I don't see us getting ANY value in trading Coleman. I want to see Coleman catching the ball in SPACE and Haley is one of the best at making that happen. Believe me when I say that most teams will HAVE to double Josh Gordon for many plays. That should help SOMEONE get open.
Uh JG is also a wrong move away from a permanent suspension.
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What if he then signed Dez Bryant to a 1 year deal? The Browns can afford him.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/19/t-o-participated-in-clevelands-pre-draft-workout-of-josh-rosen/ well they did say Rosen needed to be challenged. still ballin at age 44
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What if he then signed Dez Bryant to a 1 year deal? The Browns can afford him.
Contractually Browns can afford Dez Bryant but can a locker room "afford" the possible distractions of a past prime rotational playing Dez Bryant ?
Contractually Browns can afford Dez Bryant but can a locker room "afford" the possible distractions of a past prime rotational playing Dez Bryant ?
Could be Bryants last hoorah if things go bad.
Gordon - Landry - Bryant is a pretty nice line up.
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Contractually Browns can afford Dez Bryant but can a locker room "afford" the possible distractions of a past prime rotational playing Dez Bryant ?
Could be Bryants last hoorah if things go bad.
Gordon - Landry - Bryant is a pretty nice line up.
Could be Bryants last hoorah if things go bad.
Gordon - Landry - Bryant is a pretty nice line up.
Just can't see Bryant as a Brown. He is the opposite of the team building the team is attempting. Bryant would be bitching about not enough targets from day 1.
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Gordon, Landry, Calloway, Janis, Higgins, Ratley. I really wanted Coleman to be great, but just not seeing it.
The entire BROWNS WR Corp all from Southern or western schools to date, does that say anything about Midwestern football.....or is that just a broad generalization about the game college or pro? Hmmmmm.
The entire BROWNS WR Corp all from Southern or western schools to date, does that say anything about Midwestern football.....or is that just a broad generalization about the game college or pro? Hmmmmm.
New Orleans has to be very thankful our FO didn't think Ohio State's Michael Thomas was worthy of getting more familiar with.
Anyway, to your point - I noticed we have 4 WRs that played college ball in Texas. Let's hope things don't go so bad that the video below turns into some Cleveland Browns football follies in their honor:
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I see Gordon, Landry, Coleman as our top three with Landy moving to the slot when Coleman is on the field. Coleman should get a lot of good looks because Gordon will get some double teams and Landry has to be accounted for. He will be going against a lot of #3 corners and this is his year to shine.
Calloway is going to be dripped slowly into the offense with some some reverses and home run balls. He will be a special weapon off the bench, and slowly see more action as the season goes on and get more involved.
That leaves "the others" Ratley makes the roster because he was drafted by this administration. Janis makes it as a special team ace. So who is more usesful, Higgins or Ricardo? I give the edge to Ricardo and his skillset, and perhaps more valuable on special teams. Don't be surprised if Ratley gets "injured" and gets stashed on IR and they both stick for another year.
Zombo
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Could be Bryants last hoorah if things go bad.
Gordon - Landry - Bryant is a pretty nice line up.
Just can't see Bryant as a Brown. He is the opposite of the team building the team is attempting. Bryant would be bitching about not enough targets from day 1.
Just can't see Bryant as a Brown. He is the opposite of the team building the team is attempting. Bryant would be bitching about not enough targets from day 1.
This comment made me think about the following: we are in an enviable position at 'WR mindset'.
We have Gordon and maybe even the recently dad Callaway one suspension away from ending their careers; Coleman, Ricardo and Higgins need to prove they're worth keeping; Ratley is a late round pick and has to earn the position and Janis is in a one year contract.
That leaves Landry "without pressure", but I'd expect a player with a big contract relaxing and not playing as hard maybe in year 3 or 4, but in his first year? I'd say he will show gratitude and bring some of the magic he had in Miami, to say the least.
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Dorsey didn’t draft Coleman so he could be the odd man out , wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded before the first game
Dorsey didn’t draft Coleman so he could be the odd man out , wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded
Trading him now makes NO sense,
I agree with both of these statements.
I don't think Dorsey is high at all on Coleman, based on one of his interviews when he said he expects that Coleman will have a big year this year - in a sense like, He BETTER have a big year.
But I also don't think he's just gonna kick him to the curb to a team who offers a 5th rounder or something. Our passing attack has been bad. Anybody that might help it is required on deck this preseason.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Dorsey didn’t draft Coleman so he could be the odd man out , wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded
Trading him now makes NO sense,
I agree with both of these statements.
I don't think Dorsey is high at all on Coleman, based on one of his interviews when he said he expects that Coleman will have a big year this year - in a sense like, He BETTER have a big year.
But I also don't think he's just gonna kick him to the curb to a team who offers a 5th rounder or something. Our passing attack has been bad. Anybody that might help it is required on deck this preseason.
I agree with both of these statements.
I don't think Dorsey is high at all on Coleman, based on one of his interviews when he said he expects that Coleman will have a big year this year - in a sense like, He BETTER have a big year.
But I also don't think he's just gonna kick him to the curb to a team who offers a 5th rounder or something. Our passing attack has been bad. Anybody that might help it is required on deck this preseason.
True. You sure don't just want to chuck a former 1st round pick for nothing in return.
PLUS remember Flash Gordon isn't exactly a trustworthy proven commodity yet......hopefully JG, Landry, Coleman and others all click together if so the BROWNS might have something good going on.
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Why? Because Callaway is a wrong move away from major suspension, and we can't risk it. Callaway is also raw, and I don't see us getting ANY value in trading Coleman. I want to see Coleman catching the ball in SPACE and Haley is one of the best at making that happen. Believe me when I say that most teams will HAVE to double Josh Gordon for many plays. That should help SOMEONE get open.
Uh JG is also a wrong move away from a permanent suspension.
Uh JG is also a wrong move away from a permanent suspension.
Oh, we're all aware, which is why I probably didn't even say anything. On PAPER, we have talented weapons who can score the ball and create mismatches. I can't wait to see if Todd Haley can get Tyrod into position to make it happen.
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Dorsey didn’t draft Coleman so he could be the odd man out , wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded
Trading him now makes NO sense,
I agree with both of these statements.
I don't think Dorsey is high at all on Coleman, based on one of his interviews when he said he expects that Coleman will have a big year this year - in a sense like, He BETTER have a big year.
But I also don't think he's just gonna kick him to the curb to a team who offers a 5th rounder or something. Our passing attack has been bad. Anybody that might help it is required on deck this preseason.
I agree with both of these statements.
I don't think Dorsey is high at all on Coleman, based on one of his interviews when he said he expects that Coleman will have a big year this year - in a sense like, He BETTER have a big year.
But I also don't think he's just gonna kick him to the curb to a team who offers a 5th rounder or something. Our passing attack has been bad. Anybody that might help it is required on deck this preseason.
That's exactly my point as well. You KNOW if we traded Coleman we wouldn't get jack squat for him, so what would be the point? Corey still has vast potential, despite never coming close to realizing it. The pieces are definitely in place for him to have a breakout season, and I hope he takes advantage of them all. As I've said before, we have to figure out ways to get Corey the ball in space. Too many times he had to dive for the ball across the middle, or slow down, or jump...whatever. I want to see him catch some passes in stride and get some YAC. It's what he did so well in college, and I firmly believe that translates to the pros. Don't forget, Corey had multiple terrific catches, especially in the middle, where he had to dive low to make the grab. We obviously remember the 2 awful, inexplicable drops (the TD against the Bengals, and obviously the last game versus Steelers), but the guy was generally the only WR on the team who made tough catches. Suffice to say, Kizer didn't do the guy too many favors. Todd Haley specializes in short passes that maximize yards, and Corey just might have a resurrection because of our new OC.
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I expected nothing from him after each injury. Only way to know what you have is a full injury free season with the time to get established. I felt the same way about Garrett last year after his injury and then Ogbah's. I think we can reevaluate what we have in the Garrett-Ogbah combo when the season is done injury free for both with real DB support to give them more that 2 seconds to arrive at the QB.
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I agree with both of these statements.
I don't think Dorsey is high at all on Coleman, based on one of his interviews when he said he expects that Coleman will have a big year this year - in a sense like, He BETTER have a big year.
But I also don't think he's just gonna kick him to the curb to a team who offers a 5th rounder or something. Our passing attack has been bad. Anybody that might help it is required on deck this preseason.
That's exactly my point as well. You KNOW if we traded Coleman we wouldn't get jack squat for him, so what would be the point? Corey still has vast potential, despite never coming close to realizing it. The pieces are definitely in place for him to have a breakout season, and I hope he takes advantage of them all. As I've said before, we have to figure out ways to get Corey the ball in space. Too many times he had to dive for the ball across the middle, or slow down, or jump...whatever. I want to see him catch some passes in stride and get some YAC. It's what he did so well in college, and I firmly believe that translates to the pros. Don't forget, Corey had multiple terrific catches, especially in the middle, where he had to dive low to make the grab. We obviously remember the 2 awful, inexplicable drops (the TD against the Bengals, and obviously the last game versus Steelers), but the guy was generally the only WR on the team who made tough catches. Suffice to say, Kizer didn't do the guy too many favors. Todd Haley specializes in short passes that maximize yards, and Corey just might have a resurrection because of our new OC.
we have to figure out ways to get Corey the ball in space.
I want to see him catch some passes in stride and get some YAC. It's what he did so well in college
But this isn't college anymore. The DB's are better and faster. He didn't have to run too many routes in college. (...and Corey, you go long.) Can he get separation? Can he create space in the nfl? - I hope so -
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I agree with both of these statements.
I don't think Dorsey is high at all on Coleman, based on one of his interviews when he said he expects that Coleman will have a big year this year - in a sense like, He BETTER have a big year.
But I also don't think he's just gonna kick him to the curb to a team who offers a 5th rounder or something. Our passing attack has been bad. Anybody that might help it is required on deck this preseason.
That's exactly my point as well. You KNOW if we traded Coleman we wouldn't get jack squat for him, so what would be the point? Corey still has vast potential, despite never coming close to realizing it. The pieces are definitely in place for him to have a breakout season, and I hope he takes advantage of them all. As I've said before, we have to figure out ways to get Corey the ball in space. Too many times he had to dive for the ball across the middle, or slow down, or jump...whatever. I want to see him catch some passes in stride and get some YAC. It's what he did so well in college, and I firmly believe that translates to the pros. Don't forget, Corey had multiple terrific catches, especially in the middle, where he had to dive low to make the grab. We obviously remember the 2 awful, inexplicable drops (the TD against the Bengals, and obviously the last game versus Steelers), but the guy was generally the only WR on the team who made tough catches. Suffice to say, Kizer didn't do the guy too many favors. Todd Haley specializes in short passes that maximize yards, and Corey just might have a resurrection because of our new OC.
That's exactly my point as well. You KNOW if we traded Coleman we wouldn't get jack squat for him, so what would be the point? Corey still has vast potential, despite never coming close to realizing it. The pieces are definitely in place for him to have a breakout season, and I hope he takes advantage of them all. As I've said before, we have to figure out ways to get Corey the ball in space. Too many times he had to dive for the ball across the middle, or slow down, or jump...whatever. I want to see him catch some passes in stride and get some YAC. It's what he did so well in college, and I firmly believe that translates to the pros. Don't forget, Corey had multiple terrific catches, especially in the middle, where he had to dive low to make the grab. We obviously remember the 2 awful, inexplicable drops (the TD against the Bengals, and obviously the last game versus Steelers), but the guy was generally the only WR on the team who made tough catches. Suffice to say, Kizer didn't do the guy too many favors. Todd Haley specializes in short passes that maximize yards, and Corey just might have a resurrection because of our new OC.
Good points made. I am certainly NOT a Coleman fan, but I defer to the experts & we'll see what happens this year as we have 2 QBs who both can throw accurately, thus providing him that YAC opportunity. I'll wait & see what he does with that.
Mike
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I agree with what you just said...
but I read this earlier:
"sigh"
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What if he then signed Dez Bryant to a 1 year deal? The Browns can afford him.
Contractually Browns can afford Dez Bryant but can a locker room "afford" the possible distractions of a past prime rotational playing Dez Bryant ?
Contractually Browns can afford Dez Bryant but can a locker room "afford" the possible distractions of a past prime rotational playing Dez Bryant ?
Oh, the possibilities for "Hard Knocks".
"I like people named Ricardo." LMAO
Well, I have bad news for Ricardo. Remember last preseason when we kept hearing about how different he looked and how he was primed for a breakout year? Must've been 3 articles about him. He certainly LOOKED the part, but he never put it together. Now, playing with Kizer certainly didn't help, but we all know Ricardo "Skillet Hands" Louis wasn't doing himself any favors. I don't recall how many drops he had, but it seemed like a bunch.
All indications are that Corey is working hard, and when someone works hard, good things can happen. He's got a real QB (finally), and he's got talent around him to take the load off. Trading him now makes NO sense, EVEN IF Callaway looks amazing. Why? Because Callaway is a wrong move away from major suspension, and we can't risk it. Callaway is also raw, and I don't see us getting ANY value in trading Coleman. I want to see Coleman catching the ball in SPACE and Haley is one of the best at making that happen. Believe me when I say that most teams will HAVE to double Josh Gordon for many plays. That should help SOMEONE get open.
At this stage, you can either catch the ball, or you can't. Until proven otherwise, Coleman can't.
True. You sure don't just want to chuck a former 1st round pick for nothing in return.
PLUS remember Flash Gordon isn't exactly a trustworthy proven commodity yet......hopefully JG, Landry, Coleman and others all click together if so the BROWNS might have something good going on.
Ha Justin Gilbert anyone? First thing Dorsey did was send Kenny Britt out the door. Coleman under performs preseason, he just might get sent packing.
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cal -that was back in March and I don't think it ended up with any charges against Coleman.
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All fair points. I really believe, for whatever reason, that Coleman CAN succeed. I mean, the guy was our best offensive player as a rookie during training camp and our Brown and Orange scrimmage. I realize that isn't saying MUCH, but reportedly he was making a ton of plays and putting pressure on defenses. He was never the same after injuries, but I also want to see him play with a real QB.
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cal -that was back in March and I don't think it ended up with any charges against Coleman.
cal -that was back in March and I don't think it ended up with any charges against Coleman.
Did you expect an up-to-date article from cal?
There's no way Coleman could have been leading a beat-down. His hands would have broken into a million pieces after the first punch.
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