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  • osusev O
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    O osusev wrote on last edited by
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    Actually Steve who does have the "right" to tell a organized nation they can or can not have access to technology? I dont want Iran to have Nukes but the "right" for one nation over another is a bit grey and honestly pretty hypocritical.

    Iran is an extremely complicated problem...

    WE backed a dictatorship and tried to topple their democratic movement..... which wel does not really help us in the moral category.

    I think we take a cold war stance on containment with open lines of communication like we did with the Soviet Union. Economics eventually is the most powerful variable on how things can be influenced internally.... well like the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    We dont need antogonistic speeches or statements, not even "judgmental statements on foggy issues of "soveriegn rights" or whatever. Economic influence by directed our energies and economy to sell non oil based transportation is really the key to dismantling their nuclear aspirations or even if they achieve it the cost to sustain storage and creation. We hurt their oil income we hurt them in the best way possible... THE POCKET BOOK and the ayatollahs better find other ways to pay their military to keep unhappy poor people in check who want some sort of free market and freedoms we have.

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      I was at my dentist this morning, who is an Iranian woman of the Bahá'í faith. She had to flee Iran through Turkey, via paid smugglers, after suffering religious persecution, the jailing of her father and relatives, beatings, the confiscation of their property and land.

      She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

      Something you don't hear much in the media.

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        I was at my dentist this morning, who is an Iranian woman of the Bahá'í faith. She had to flee Iran through Turkey, via paid smugglers, after suffering religious persecution, the jailing of her father and relatives, beatings, the confiscation of their property and land.

        She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

        Something you don't hear much in the media.

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        @heckofajobbrownie said:

        Something you don't hear much in the media.

        Actually anybody who pays even a little attention to it heard he was a scumbag too.

        But you're correct that you don't hear much about it.

        And Sev:

        As long as they have the power to enforce it, the civilized world has the right to tell the shitbag dictators of the third world what they can and can't have in the nuclear weapons arena.

        Which is why the US, even under Obama, should never willingly give up that power.

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          @danamal said:

          Which is why the US, even under Obama, should never willingly give up that power.

          Buford T Bush was so masterful in his diplomacy with N.Korea.

          Uh yeah, Dan.

          It looks a lot better now.

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          • H heckofajobbrownie

            I was at my dentist this morning, who is an Iranian woman of the Bahá'í faith. She had to flee Iran through Turkey, via paid smugglers, after suffering religious persecution, the jailing of her father and relatives, beatings, the confiscation of their property and land.

            She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

            Something you don't hear much in the media.

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            C Chicopee John wrote on last edited by
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            @heckofajobbrownie said:

            She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right. Something you don't hear much in the media.

            You are right about that, Heck.

            On the other hand I heard - either on NPR or Jim Leher's show - a senior fellow from a Middle East 'think tank' - himself an Arab - and a former government official both noted that this uprising has distinct characteristics than other protests.

            First, they said there are fissures among the 'rulers', something that has not been the case before. They always had a united front.

            Second, this appears to be a pent up reaction to the 'Islamic Republic' model where the power still resides at the Ayatolla level.

            Third, perhaps like folks here who voted for 'anybody but Bush' are reacting to their economic peril under President A and believe his incessant saber rattling has played a big part in their financial malaise.

            Perhaps the mainstream media is missing the fundamental point - this is a complex issue among a variety of conflicting and mobilizing issues - and a case where the 'least worse' becomes the man wearing the white turban.

            "God is great. Beer is good. People are crazy."
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            • H heckofajobbrownie

              I was at my dentist this morning, who is an Iranian woman of the Bahá'í faith. She had to flee Iran through Turkey, via paid smugglers, after suffering religious persecution, the jailing of her father and relatives, beatings, the confiscation of their property and land.

              She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

              Something you don't hear much in the media.

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              Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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              @heckofajobbrownie said:

              I was at my dentist this morning, who is an Iranian woman of the Bahá'í faith. She had to flee Iran through Turkey, via paid smugglers, after suffering religious persecution, the jailing of her father and relatives, beatings, the confiscation of their property and land.

              She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

              Something you don't hear much in the media.

              That is crazy, women can't be doctors.

              Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
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                @heckofajobbrownie said:

                I was at my dentist this morning, who is an Iranian woman of the Bahá'í faith. She had to flee Iran through Turkey, via paid smugglers, after suffering religious persecution, the jailing of her father and relatives, beatings, the confiscation of their property and land.

                She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

                Something you don't hear much in the media.

                That is crazy, women can't be doctors.

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                @kosar_for_president said:

                That is crazy, women can't be doctors.

                My Dr. friends tell me that Dentists couldn't get into Medical School.

                On another point, Heck has major cajones going to a 'driller' that has such bad experiences in her past. For his sake, I hope she doesn't have any flashbacks while he is in the chair.

                "God is great. Beer is good. People are crazy."
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                  Which is why the US, even under Obama, should never willingly give up that power.

                  Buford T Bush was so masterful in his diplomacy with N.Korea.

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                  You mean Jimmy "peanuthead" Carter, who even admitted he was made a fool of by N. Korea.

                  Billy Carter wouldn't have been nearly so naive.

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                  • O osusev

                    Actually Steve who does have the "right" to tell a organized nation they can or can not have access to technology? I dont want Iran to have Nukes but the "right" for one nation over another is a bit grey and honestly pretty hypocritical.

                    Iran is an extremely complicated problem...

                    WE backed a dictatorship and tried to topple their democratic movement..... which wel does not really help us in the moral category.

                    I think we take a cold war stance on containment with open lines of communication like we did with the Soviet Union. Economics eventually is the most powerful variable on how things can be influenced internally.... well like the collapse of the Soviet Union.

                    We dont need antogonistic speeches or statements, not even "judgmental statements on foggy issues of "soveriegn rights" or whatever. Economic influence by directed our energies and economy to sell non oil based transportation is really the key to dismantling their nuclear aspirations or even if they achieve it the cost to sustain storage and creation. We hurt their oil income we hurt them in the best way possible... THE POCKET BOOK and the ayatollahs better find other ways to pay their military to keep unhappy poor people in check who want some sort of free market and freedoms we have.

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                    @osusev said:

                    WE backed a dictatorship and tried to topple their democratic movement..... which wel does not really help us in the moral category.

                    One thing that doesn't get mentioned: the clerics also wanted Mosaddeq overthrown. Not that it affects the morality of our actions; it just shows the hypocrisy of Ahmadinejad & co. throwing it back at us.

                    @heckofajobbrownie said:

                    She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

                    Something you don't hear much in the media.

                    Good point. Besides the mostly positive press Mousavi has been getting, there seems to be a curious nostalgia about President Khatami's tenure in office. Despite the few steps he made in the right direction, he still is this guy.

                    Today, President Obama said that the substantive policy differences between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi may not be all that significant. I guess that's what happens when the only way you can get on the ballot is if the mullahs declare you kosher.

                    The more interesting reports are the ones about Rafsanjani possibly attempting to unseat Khamenei as Supreme Leader, but I have no idea whether those are accurate.

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                      I was at my dentist this morning, who is an Iranian woman of the Bahá'í faith. She had to flee Iran through Turkey, via paid smugglers, after suffering religious persecution, the jailing of her father and relatives, beatings, the confiscation of their property and land.

                      She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

                      Something you don't hear much in the media.

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                      @heckofajobbrownie said:

                      She was quick to point out how Mousavi hardly fits into this good guys vs. bad guys scenario that has unfolded here, and that he's a been a butcher in the past in his own right.

                      Something you don't hear much in the media.

                      In the US political arena, we call those "the Primaries." Over there, you don't get on the ballot playing grab-ass with everyone.

                      Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula
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                        ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                        I know this won't be popular, but i know I am right....the sooner they are extinct, the better off we will be...trust me.....they want to be sure we are extinct.

                        If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                          ? Aloysius wrote on last edited by
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                          This diavlog between Reza Aslan and Eli Lake is worth listening to.

                          The entire thing's about an hour long, but it's broken up into mini-subjects over at the bloggingheads site.

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                            I know this won't be popular, but i know I am right....the sooner they are extinct, the better off we will be...trust me.....they want to be sure we are extinct.

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                            BrownIndianB BrownIndian wrote on last edited by
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                            @ballpeen said:

                            I know this won't be popular, but i know I am right....the sooner they are extinct, the better off we will be...trust me.....they want to be sure we are extinct.

                            good lord no !

                            There are many among the cities ... and the upcoming youth population that crave our way of life .. our independence ! But that country has many who oppress the freedom and are still living in denial with regards to freedom and womens rights. We need to make sure that the extremists do not get all too dominating .... there are a lot of people waiting to be freed.

                            IMHO it was Iran we should have attacked and not Iraq.

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                              Another good read:

                              Iran's Children of Tomorrow

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                                those muslims who want us dead are analogous to our old, racist, intolerant population here thats running our country into the ground. soon they'll die, we'll inherit the mess, and start acting civilized.

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                                  W.H. pulls Iran overture

                                  BY CAROL E. LEE

                                  The White House has rescinded its invitation for Iranian diplomats to attend its July 4 festivities, White House Press Secretary ...... Robert Gibbs told reporters Wednesday.

                                  None of them RSVP’d, Gibbs said. But, he added: "I don’t think it’s surprising that nobody’s signed up to come given the events of the past days…Those invitations will no longer be extended."

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                                    Good going Obama! That will show them how tough we are! 🙄

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                                      I didn't mean to present it as some grand gesture...more as a marker for how significantly the diplomatic terrain has shifted.

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                                      • O osusev

                                        Actually Steve who does have the "right" to tell a organized nation they can or can not have access to technology? I dont want Iran to have Nukes but the "right" for one nation over another is a bit grey and honestly pretty hypocritical.

                                        Iran is an extremely complicated problem...

                                        WE backed a dictatorship and tried to topple their democratic movement..... which wel does not really help us in the moral category.

                                        I think we take a cold war stance on containment with open lines of communication like we did with the Soviet Union. Economics eventually is the most powerful variable on how things can be influenced internally.... well like the collapse of the Soviet Union.

                                        We dont need antogonistic speeches or statements, not even "judgmental statements on foggy issues of "soveriegn rights" or whatever. Economic influence by directed our energies and economy to sell non oil based transportation is really the key to dismantling their nuclear aspirations or even if they achieve it the cost to sustain storage and creation. We hurt their oil income we hurt them in the best way possible... THE POCKET BOOK and the ayatollahs better find other ways to pay their military to keep unhappy poor people in check who want some sort of free market and freedoms we have.

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                                        @osusev said:

                                        WE backed a dictatorship and tried to topple their democratic movement..... which wel does not really help us in the moral category.

                                        In case you thought so I have no problem with that.

                                        When faced with a choice of two scumbags pick the one that you can better get along with.

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                                          And does anyone really believe that we have not been working on changing how the Iranian people think for years now?

                                          yes, we have (cia) been very active in Iran.

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