Browns at Texans... Dec 2
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I don’t have any experience with NFL ticket purchasing, as the three games I have been to have been paid for by someone else.
Anyone know if there is much fluctuation in price if tickets are bought way in advance or closer to the game? I’m seeing section 638 and 639 right now for 80-100 bucks.
Prices will fluctuate depending on how the home team is doing. If Houston gets their Sheet together and keeps their starters healthy, I would not count on the prices dropping...
Ticketmaster fees are as low as I found. Sometimes I've gotten better prices by calling Vivid Seats as sales folk sometimes have "incentives" they can offer, but this time I jumped on the Row B tix.
As for nosebleed... yup... they are up there, but what you give up in intimacy you gain in ability to see play development.
Prices will fluctuate depending on how the home team is doing. If Houston gets their Sheet together and keeps their starters healthy, I would not count on the prices dropping...
Ticketmaster fees are as low as I found. Sometimes I've gotten better prices by calling Vivid Seats as sales folk sometimes have "incentives" they can offer, but this time I jumped on the Row B tix.
As for nosebleed... yup... they are up there, but what you give up in intimacy you gain in ability to see play development.
And a good pair of wide angle 10X binocs can put you in the huddle.
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Even worse, this time JJ Watts-Hisname is probably suiting up.
Hey Flugs, you know, after the 1999 season, this is the first upcoming season where I am actually getting the feeling of being left out if I don't make the effort to get to at least 1 game. It is starting to feel like we have a team again, you know what I mean, a team that has some potential and talent. I blasted you for pimping Sewage and Romeo, but always realized it was just your love for the Browns rearing its head. I really just never believed in those guys Tom, I just could not get into it.
One of my staples, or mantras, whatever the hell we call it was that I wanted guys longer on character, drive, passion over the analytical crap. I like overachievers. Kosar, Sipe, Brennan, Alzado V2.0, Joe D V 2.0, Nelsen, Calvin Hill V2.0..... and on it goes. This Mayfield kid is kind of up my alley. We added some buckeye talent, and for all my calling Dorsey, Dorkey....he has balls................ he didn't play it safe....he went out on a limb. He didn't trade down, he stood by his guns, and he picked talent based on his own set of values and standards.
If he fails, I won't turn on him. You know I liked Butch Davis as well. Still do. Dorsey is going to do this with passion, bullheadedness and a presence....Sashi wasn't that guy... although you have to give him credit for giving us picks.
This feels like what we should have been doing in 1999. If I am not full of schidt, an 8 win season is not that far fetched. I believe we will see Roethlisberger menaced this year. Not being able to double team Garrett every down, I am telling you, is going to be the finger in the dyke. I think the D is going to feast on QBS.
We got football again, Tommy..... we got football.
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Even worse, this time JJ Watts-Hisname is probably suiting up.
Hey Flugs, you know, after the 1999 season, this is the first upcoming season where I am actually getting the feeling of being left out if I don't make the effort to get to at least 1 game. It is starting to feel like we have a team again, you know what I mean, a team that has some potential and talent. I blasted you for pimping Sewage and Romeo, but always realized it was just your love for the Browns rearing its head. I really just never believed in those guys Tom, I just could not get into it.
One of my staples, or mantras, whatever the hell we call it was that I wanted guys longer on character, drive, passion over the analytical crap. I like overachievers. Kosar, Sipe, Brennan, Alzado V2.0, Joe D V 2.0, Nelsen, Calvin Hill V2.0..... and on it goes. This Mayfield kid is kind of up my alley. We added some buckeye talent, and for all my calling Dorsey, Dorkey....he has balls................ he didn't play it safe....he went out on a limb. He didn't trade down, he stood by his guns, and he picked talent based on his own set of values and standards.
If he fails, I won't turn on him. You know I liked Butch Davis as well. Still do. Dorsey is going to do this with passion, bullheadedness and a presence....Sashi wasn't that guy... although you have to give him credit for giving us picks.
This feels like what we should have been doing in 1999. If I am not full of schidt, an 8 win season is not that far fetched. I believe we will see Roethlisberger menaced this year. Not being able to double team Garrett every down, I am telling you, is going to be the finger in the dyke. I think the D is going to feast on QBS.
We got football again, Tommy..... we got football.
Hey Flugs, you know, after the 1999 season, this is the first upcoming season where I am actually getting the feeling of being left out if I don't make the effort to get to at least 1 game. It is starting to feel like we have a team again, you know what I mean, a team that has some potential and talent. I blasted you for pimping Sewage and Romeo, but always realized it was just your love for the Browns rearing its head. I really just never believed in those guys Tom, I just could not get into it.
One of my staples, or mantras, whatever the hell we call it was that I wanted guys longer on character, drive, passion over the analytical crap. I like overachievers. Kosar, Sipe, Brennan, Alzado V2.0, Joe D V 2.0, Nelsen, Calvin Hill V2.0..... and on it goes. This Mayfield kid is kind of up my alley. We added some buckeye talent, and for all my calling Dorsey, Dorkey....he has balls................ he didn't play it safe....he went out on a limb. He didn't trade down, he stood by his guns, and he picked talent based on his own set of values and standards.
If he fails, I won't turn on him. You know I liked Butch Davis as well. Still do. Dorsey is going to do this with passion, bullheadedness and a presence....Sashi wasn't that guy... although you have to give him credit for giving us picks.
This feels like what we should have been doing in 1999. If I am not full of schidt, an 8 win season is not that far fetched. I believe we will see Roethlisberger menaced this year. Not being able to double team Garrett every down, I am telling you, is going to be the finger in the dyke. I think the D is going to feast on QBS.
We got football again, Tommy..... we got football.
So are you going to Houston this year? Sure would like to meet the crazy bastard they call Ghoolie.
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Well...if I am buying 4 tickets, which I have to do it seems....I am not wanting to spend that amount....so, nosebleeds it is. By the way, those sections mentioned: 637 and 638....those are definitely nosebleeders as I took a look at the stadium seating chart.
Ah, if I'm spending money on airfare + hotel to go to the game, I'm not sitting up in the nosebleeds. Saw some sideline seats in the 100 level on StubHub\ Ticketmaster for under $200 bucks.
Nosebleed seats... That's an interesting term I'm going to save in my vocabulary!
Nosebleed seats... That's an interesting term I'm going to save in my vocabulary!
simplified translation for you Nero. Seats so way high up they're not very good.
Yeah, I'm spoiled- that's what going on 40 years of seat seniority will do for you. OK, this image is 13 rows higher from where I'm at, but you get the idea. PS, before we got lucky and moved down, looking at the top section on the other side of the stadium, the top 5-10 rows are considered "nosebleed".
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Famous tickets "on the front row" from Bob Uecker, former major league baseball player.
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Hey Tour, is there a Browns Backers party the night before or what else did that guy tell you?
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Hey Flugs, you know, after the 1999 season, this is the first upcoming season where I am actually getting the feeling of being left out if I don't make the effort to get to at least 1 game. It is starting to feel like we have a team again, you know what I mean, a team that has some potential and talent. I blasted you for pimping Sewage and Romeo, but always realized it was just your love for the Browns rearing its head. I really just never believed in those guys Tom, I just could not get into it.
One of my staples, or mantras, whatever the hell we call it was that I wanted guys longer on character, drive, passion over the analytical crap. I like overachievers. Kosar, Sipe, Brennan, Alzado V2.0, Joe D V 2.0, Nelsen, Calvin Hill V2.0..... and on it goes. This Mayfield kid is kind of up my alley. We added some buckeye talent, and for all my calling Dorsey, Dorkey....he has balls................ he didn't play it safe....he went out on a limb. He didn't trade down, he stood by his guns, and he picked talent based on his own set of values and standards.
If he fails, I won't turn on him. You know I liked Butch Davis as well. Still do. Dorsey is going to do this with passion, bullheadedness and a presence....Sashi wasn't that guy... although you have to give him credit for giving us picks.
This feels like what we should have been doing in 1999. If I am not full of schidt, an 8 win season is not that far fetched. I believe we will see Roethlisberger menaced this year. Not being able to double team Garrett every down, I am telling you, is going to be the finger in the dyke. I think the D is going to feast on QBS.
We got football again, Tommy..... we got football.
So are you going to Houston this year? Sure would like to meet the crazy bastard they call Ghoolie.
So are you going to Houston this year? Sure would like to meet the crazy bastard they call Ghoolie.
I don't know. But, let me say this. Your interest is not only flattering, but this is honestly the first time in a long, long time that I have wanted to see a Browns game and connect with some of my friends. I have a terrible lot of things going on with the launching of a new start-up company, but I really am going to make an effort. Stay tuned and I will see. If it is possible, I will go.
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Hey Tour, is there a Browns Backers party the night before or what else did that guy tell you?
Hey Tour, is there a Browns Backers party the night before or what else did that guy tell you?
I'm assuming they will have a party- they had one last year. They will have a Tailgate too. Unfortunately it was (literally) a mile away from the Tailgate I wound up at... Captain Weber of the Burke Lot Tailgate extravaganza managed to hook us up with one of the Texans crowd Tailgate, https://www.facebook.com/BullsOnMcNee/ Awesome folks, unlimited food and booze.
Doubtless Tour will have updates as they become available. Or check in on the Space City BB web or Facebook page. (nothing there yet- I just checked)
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So are you going to Houston this year? Sure would like to meet the crazy bastard they call Ghoolie.
I don't know. But, let me say this. Your interest is not only flattering, but this is honestly the first time in a long, long time that I have wanted to see a Browns game and connect with some of my friends. I have a terrible lot of things going on with the launching of a new start-up company, but I really am going to make an effort. Stay tuned and I will see. If it is possible, I will go.
I don't know. But, let me say this. Your interest is not only flattering, but this is honestly the first time in a long, long time that I have wanted to see a Browns game and connect with some of my friends. I have a terrible lot of things going on with the launching of a new start-up company, but I really am going to make an effort. Stay tuned and I will see. If it is possible, I will go.
Good luck with your company and I hope you can make it, I would like to meet as many people from the board as I can. I have a crazy feeling the Browns might actually start turning things around.
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Hey Tour, is there a Browns Backers party the night before or what else did that guy tell you?
I'm assuming they will have a party- they had one last year. They will have a Tailgate too. Unfortunately it was (literally) a mile away from the Tailgate I wound up at... Captain Weber of the Burke Lot Tailgate extravaganza managed to hook us up with one of the Texans crowd Tailgate, https://www.facebook.com/BullsOnMcNee/ Awesome folks, unlimited food and booze.
Doubtless Tour will have updates as they become available. Or check in on the Space City BB web or Facebook page. (nothing there yet- I just checked)
I'm assuming they will have a party- they had one last year. They will have a Tailgate too. Unfortunately it was (literally) a mile away from the Tailgate I wound up at... Captain Weber of the Burke Lot Tailgate extravaganza managed to hook us up with one of the Texans crowd Tailgate, https://www.facebook.com/BullsOnMcNee/ Awesome folks, unlimited food and booze.
Doubtless Tour will have updates as they become available. Or check in on the Space City BB web or Facebook page. (nothing there yet- I just checked)
Seems pretty awesome... but was it just you and a Sheet ton of Texans fans?
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I don't know. But, let me say this. Your interest is not only flattering, but this is honestly the first time in a long, long time that I have wanted to see a Browns game and connect with some of my friends. I have a terrible lot of things going on with the launching of a new start-up company, but I really am going to make an effort. Stay tuned and I will see. If it is possible, I will go.
Good luck with your company and I hope you can make it, I would like to meet as many people from the board as I can. I have a crazy feeling the Browns might actually start turning things around.
Good luck with your company and I hope you can make it, I would like to meet as many people from the board as I can. I have a crazy feeling the Browns might actually start turning things around.
I believe the Big Tailgate this year will be before the Jets Thursday night game. The International set is supposed to be in then.....Z comes up from Fla, MarkO comes in from Calif.....Hoorta comes in and several others from around the country show up....plus the local brood like myself/WSS etc. etc.
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Good luck with your company and I hope you can make it, I would like to meet as many people from the board as I can. I have a crazy feeling the Browns might actually start turning things around.
I believe the Big Tailgate this year will be before the Jets Thursday night game. The International set is supposed to be in then.....Z comes up from Fla, MarkO comes in from Calif.....Hoorta comes in and several others from around the country show up....plus the local brood like myself/WSS etc. etc.
I believe the Big Tailgate this year will be before the Jets Thursday night game. The International set is supposed to be in then.....Z comes up from Fla, MarkO comes in from Calif.....Hoorta comes in and several others from around the country show up....plus the local brood like myself/WSS etc. etc.
Guess I may have to try and make two games this year
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Hey Tour, is there a Browns Backers party the night before or what else did that guy tell you?
I'm assuming they will have a party- they had one last year. They will have a Tailgate too. Unfortunately it was (literally) a mile away from the Tailgate I wound up at... Captain Weber of the Burke Lot Tailgate extravaganza managed to hook us up with one of the Texans crowd Tailgate, https://www.facebook.com/BullsOnMcNee/ Awesome folks, unlimited food and booze.
Doubtless Tour will have updates as they become available. Or check in on the Space City BB web or Facebook page. (nothing there yet- I just checked)
First.... Phoolie has "friends"?
I'm assuming they will have a party- they had one last year. They will have a Tailgate too. Unfortunately it was (literally) a mile away from the Tailgate I wound up at... Captain Weber of the Burke Lot Tailgate extravaganza managed to hook us up with one of the Texans crowd Tailgate, https://www.facebook.com/BullsOnMcNee/ Awesome folks, unlimited food and booze.
Doubtless Tour will have updates as they become available. Or check in on the Space City BB web or Facebook page. (nothing there yet- I just checked)
Safe assumption, h... and Come on... it's a Browns Backers gathering so will be 90+% Browns fans although I will have three Texans fans in tow...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
First.... Phoolie has "friends"?
I'm assuming they will have a party- they had one last year. They will have a Tailgate too. Unfortunately it was (literally) a mile away from the Tailgate I wound up at... Captain Weber of the Burke Lot Tailgate extravaganza managed to hook us up with one of the Texans crowd Tailgate, https://www.facebook.com/BullsOnMcNee/ Awesome folks, unlimited food and booze.
Doubtless Tour will have updates as they become available. Or check in on the Space City BB web or Facebook page. (nothing there yet- I just checked)
Safe assumption, h... and Come on... it's a Browns Backers gathering so will be 90+% Browns fans although I will have three Texans fans in tow...
Safe assumption, h... and Come on... it's a Browns Backers gathering so will be 90+% Browns fans although I will have three Texans fans in tow...
Well....I may have the same perhaps. Unless I can exercise some parental control on my daughter (why do you think I can start doing that now?)....she and her S.O. and his brother may be DAT fans. And I am supposed to buy tickets for them? Oi!
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First.... Phoolie has "friends"?
I'm assuming they will have a party- they had one last year. They will have a Tailgate too. Unfortunately it was (literally) a mile away from the Tailgate I wound up at... Captain Weber of the Burke Lot Tailgate extravaganza managed to hook us up with one of the Texans crowd Tailgate, https://www.facebook.com/BullsOnMcNee/ Awesome folks, unlimited food and booze.
Doubtless Tour will have updates as they become available. Or check in on the Space City BB web or Facebook page. (nothing there yet- I just checked)
Safe assumption, h... and Come on... it's a Browns Backers gathering so will be 90+% Browns fans although I will have three Texans fans in tow...
First.... Phoolie has "friends"?
Safe assumption, h... and Come on... it's a Browns Backers gathering so will be 90+% Browns fans although I will have three Texans fans in tow...
I probably will do the BB's Tailgate this year Tour. Almost for sure stay at the same hotel. Plans depend on getting the wife to take up invite of her friend to hang out in San Antonio. That happens, I'll drive over to Houston Saturday.
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Section 638 Row G 25&26
I wish Dec 2nd wasn’t so far off
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Even worse, this time JJ Watts-Hisname is probably suiting up.
Hey Flugs, you know, after the 1999 season, this is the first upcoming season where I am actually getting the feeling of being left out if I don't make the effort to get to at least 1 game. It is starting to feel like we have a team again, you know what I mean, a team that has some potential and talent. I blasted you for pimping Sewage and Romeo, but always realized it was just your love for the Browns rearing its head. I really just never believed in those guys Tom, I just could not get into it.
One of my staples, or mantras, whatever the hell we call it was that I wanted guys longer on character, drive, passion over the analytical crap. I like overachievers. Kosar, Sipe, Brennan, Alzado V2.0, Joe D V 2.0, Nelsen, Calvin Hill V2.0..... and on it goes. This Mayfield kid is kind of up my alley. We added some buckeye talent, and for all my calling Dorsey, Dorkey....he has balls................ he didn't play it safe....he went out on a limb. He didn't trade down, he stood by his guns, and he picked talent based on his own set of values and standards.
If he fails, I won't turn on him. You know I liked Butch Davis as well. Still do. Dorsey is going to do this with passion, bullheadedness and a presence....Sashi wasn't that guy... although you have to give him credit for giving us picks.
This feels like what we should have been doing in 1999. If I am not full of schidt, an 8 win season is not that far fetched. I believe we will see Roethlisberger menaced this year. Not being able to double team Garrett every down, I am telling you, is going to be the finger in the dyke. I think the D is going to feast on QBS.
We got football again, Tommy..... we got football.
Hey Flugs, you know, after the 1999 season, this is the first upcoming season where I am actually getting the feeling of being left out if I don't make the effort to get to at least 1 game. It is starting to feel like we have a team again, you know what I mean, a team that has some potential and talent. I blasted you for pimping Sewage and Romeo, but always realized it was just your love for the Browns rearing its head. I really just never believed in those guys Tom, I just could not get into it.
One of my staples, or mantras, whatever the hell we call it was that I wanted guys longer on character, drive, passion over the analytical crap. I like overachievers. Kosar, Sipe, Brennan, Alzado V2.0, Joe D V 2.0, Nelsen, Calvin Hill V2.0..... and on it goes. This Mayfield kid is kind of up my alley. We added some buckeye talent, and for all my calling Dorsey, Dorkey....he has balls................ he didn't play it safe....he went out on a limb. He didn't trade down, he stood by his guns, and he picked talent based on his own set of values and standards.
If he fails, I won't turn on him. You know I liked Butch Davis as well. Still do. Dorsey is going to do this with passion, bullheadedness and a presence....Sashi wasn't that guy... although you have to give him credit for giving us picks.
This feels like what we should have been doing in 1999. If I am not full of schidt, an 8 win season is not that far fetched. I believe we will see Roethlisberger menaced this year. Not being able to double team Garrett every down, I am telling you, is going to be the finger in the dyke. I think the D is going to feast on QBS.
We got football again, Tommy..... we got football.
Good stuff! As much as you and I have always enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other - it's great to see you and others excited about what you're seeing.
My walk with football has always been if I can't show up with a game face - I'm in the wrong place. I've always gone Linus in the Pumpkin Patch on every new regime inheriting the top picks of their first draft. I had fun busting balls with you and Rich about us winning 10 games in 2007. Speaking of Ohio State Buckeyes - I also LOVED it when Savage signed Free Agent Center LeCharles Bentley. As our luck at the time would have it, his NFL career ended on the 1st day of practice in shorts without contact. That happened while I was driving my dad and cousin from Rochester, NY to see the afternoon session of training camp. All that said, I posted big time frustration with Savage when our 2008 draft that didn't begin until round 4 netted only 1 keeper (Rubin) was further compounded by trading away all but 4 picks for the 2009 draft.
To your point above, I'm starting to see an inventory of players/play makers that I don't have to get all creative to get excited about. When we're in a passing era, it's nice to finally see some real effort into upgrading WR, CB and QB the way we did this off-season. I think the selection of Ward at #4 not only acknowledged a need to finally put a corner in our lineup capable of competing with the Antonio Browns, AJ Greens and Michael Crabtrees of our division - but it also takes into acct we have 2 DEs that were drafted at #1 overall and #32 overall. Ogbah actually had 2.5 more sacks than the turbo-hyped Bradley Chubb had in his final 2 years of college ball. It should be fun to watch him and Garrett play at the same time this year. Prior to getting injured last year, Ogbah was the #1 rated DE against the run by PFF for most of the time he was healthy. He also led us in sacks before Garrett played enough to top him.
- I.M. Sickasucky (the knucklehead formerly known as Flugel)
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Hey Flugs, you know, after the 1999 season, this is the first upcoming season where I am actually getting the feeling of being left out if I don't make the effort to get to at least 1 game. It is starting to feel like we have a team again, you know what I mean, a team that has some potential and talent. I blasted you for pimping Sewage and Romeo, but always realized it was just your love for the Browns rearing its head. I really just never believed in those guys Tom, I just could not get into it.
One of my staples, or mantras, whatever the hell we call it was that I wanted guys longer on character, drive, passion over the analytical crap. I like overachievers. Kosar, Sipe, Brennan, Alzado V2.0, Joe D V 2.0, Nelsen, Calvin Hill V2.0..... and on it goes. This Mayfield kid is kind of up my alley. We added some buckeye talent, and for all my calling Dorsey, Dorkey....he has balls................ he didn't play it safe....he went out on a limb. He didn't trade down, he stood by his guns, and he picked talent based on his own set of values and standards.
If he fails, I won't turn on him. You know I liked Butch Davis as well. Still do. Dorsey is going to do this with passion, bullheadedness and a presence....Sashi wasn't that guy... although you have to give him credit for giving us picks.
This feels like what we should have been doing in 1999. If I am not full of schidt, an 8 win season is not that far fetched. I believe we will see Roethlisberger menaced this year. Not being able to double team Garrett every down, I am telling you, is going to be the finger in the dyke. I think the D is going to feast on QBS.
We got football again, Tommy..... we got football.
Good stuff! As much as you and I have always enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other - it's great to see you and others excited about what you're seeing.
My walk with football has always been if I can't show up with a game face - I'm in the wrong place. I've always gone Linus in the Pumpkin Patch on every new regime inheriting the top picks of their first draft. I had fun busting balls with you and Rich about us winning 10 games in 2007. Speaking of Ohio State Buckeyes - I also LOVED it when Savage signed Free Agent Center LeCharles Bentley. As our luck at the time would have it, his NFL career ended on the 1st day of practice in shorts without contact. That happened while I was driving my dad and cousin from Rochester, NY to see the afternoon session of training camp. All that said, I posted big time frustration with Savage when our 2008 draft that didn't begin until round 4 netted only 1 keeper (Rubin) was further compounded by trading away all but 4 picks for the 2009 draft.
To your point above, I'm starting to see an inventory of players/play makers that I don't have to get all creative to get excited about. When we're in a passing era, it's nice to finally see some real effort into upgrading WR, CB and QB the way we did this off-season. I think the selection of Ward at #4 not only acknowledged a need to finally put a corner in our lineup capable of competing with the Antonio Browns, AJ Greens and Michael Crabtrees of our division - but it also takes into acct we have 2 DEs that were drafted at #1 overall and #32 overall. Ogbah actually had 2.5 more sacks than the turbo-hyped Bradley Chubb had in his final 2 years of college ball. It should be fun to watch him and Garrett play at the same time this year. Prior to getting injured last year, Ogbah was the #1 rated DE against the run by PFF for most of the time he was healthy. He also led us in sacks before Garrett played enough to top him.
- I.M. Sickasucky (the knucklehead formerly known as Flugel)
Good stuff! As much as you and I have always enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other - it's great to see you and others excited about what you're seeing.
My walk with football has always been if I can't show up with a game face - I'm in the wrong place. I've always gone Linus in the Pumpkin Patch on every new regime inheriting the top picks of their first draft. I had fun busting balls with you and Rich about us winning 10 games in 2007. Speaking of Ohio State Buckeyes - I also LOVED it when Savage signed Free Agent Center LeCharles Bentley. As our luck at the time would have it, his NFL career ended on the 1st day of practice in shorts without contact. That happened while I was driving my dad and cousin from Rochester, NY to see the afternoon session of training camp. All that said, I posted big time frustration with Savage when our 2008 draft that didn't begin until round 4 netted only 1 keeper (Rubin) was further compounded by trading away all but 4 picks for the 2009 draft.
To your point above, I'm starting to see an inventory of players/play makers that I don't have to get all creative to get excited about. When we're in a passing era, it's nice to finally see some real effort into upgrading WR, CB and QB the way we did this off-season. I think the selection of Ward at #4 not only acknowledged a need to finally put a corner in our lineup capable of competing with the Antonio Browns, AJ Greens and Michael Crabtrees of our division - but it also takes into acct we have 2 DEs that were drafted at #1 overall and #32 overall. Ogbah actually had 2.5 more sacks than the turbo-hyped Bradley Chubb had in his final 2 years of college ball. It should be fun to watch him and Garrett play at the same time this year. Prior to getting injured last year, Ogbah was the #1 rated DE against the run by PFF for most of the time he was healthy. He also led us in sacks before Garrett played enough to top him.
- I.M. Sickasucky (the knucklehead formerly known as Flugel)
A few points and I defer to your personnel expertise. I listened to the Browns on Sirius all year, as Sunday is a busy day for Cathy and I. I can't stand to hear the homer pimping crap so I always listen to the opposing team's radio coverage. Without exception, each and every week the opposing announcers gushed over Ogbah calling him a one-man wrecking crew. I personally think the guy is a badass. However, it seems as though Browns fans don't like the guy. WTF is up with that?
On Garrett - He has a way to go to get me past my venom for him. The bullschidt he did about Jerry Jones? Honestly, I would never have drafted him. I don't buy this " he is just a kid" nonsense. He is a dumb fauhk, he really is. The kid reminds me of a dumb high school blonde whore. That doesn't mean he can't make something of himself, but if I had a chance to meet him, seriously, as I did to the big Steeler Linebacker SOB, I would call him a cuunt. I hate these A-holes who don't understand loyalty and who respect nothing but themselves.
Garrett is fast. He isn't a badass. He doesn't strike physical fear into anyone, and he never will. He worries people because his speed and agility is enough to get to the QB. I am okay with that. I just don't want to hear the horseschdit of comparing him to Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones, even Joe Turkey Jones. Garrett is NONE of that. he is a Millennial who is more into group hugs than he is providing intensity. Signing himself up for concussion protocol? Fauhking Merrill Hoge was forgetting where his nutsack was and they had to forcibly yank him, while he was kicking and screaming, off the field. Garrett ain't that. I will root for him, but I don't want to hear comparisons about how tough this caulk sucker is. To me....he is a pussy. He is no different from homosexual figure skaters. He is fast and has agility. I honestly think he is a homosexual, he surely is effeminate.
I will lay off the guy, but just don't tell me he is a badass. He isn't.
My true gut feeling is that the Browns are not going to have much of an improved season. I am not going to bitch about it. I am tired of us being the laughing stock of the NFL. I am a homer. I want to be proven wrong, and I am going to cheer for the Dorsey Era just as I would cheer if I had a weekend in Vegas with Stormy Daniels.
My reservations Tom, are what they always have been. I feel that the Browns purposely refuse to participate in drafting the very best, top, most herladed playmakers. THe guys who, if they follow script can change fortunes. Garrett was a blown pick because Trubisky has the fortune changing potential. If Garrett pans out to be as good as believed, he really won't add many wins to the Browns team. Garrett is the guy that someone like the Steelers pick. You take a Garrett at #1 when you have a full house. Coleman? Man, Ouch!
So, as I said in my pre-draft posts, I would have taken Barkley at #1, and then one of the Big 3 QBs whoever was left at #4. Who knows which of them, if any will pan out? The draft is a crap shoot, but if it is my team? I will bet on the guy who has the highest rated pre-draft star potential. I believe Barkley and ond of the big QBs would have been a world class draft.
However, again, as we have done so many times, (Quinn, Manziel, WInslow), we pass on the top prospects and purport to know how to beat the system by drafting the diamonds in the rough; the under-the-radar talent. The problem is, Tom, none of these diamonds in the rough ever pan out to be game changers.
My base feelings aside, I am aching to be wrong. I am aching to see Dorey return the Browns to winning prominence. Should they stink, I'll offer up no " I told you so" because honestly, this season, it would be a horrible disappointment to me for all of us to be again left with crapola. We deserve an honorable team again. I can't wait for this season to kick off.... well... I can.... I love Summer. It is healthy for me, but I will be ready for the Browns to rise from the dead.
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Good stuff! As much as you and I have always enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other - it's great to see you and others excited about what you're seeing.
My walk with football has always been if I can't show up with a game face - I'm in the wrong place. I've always gone Linus in the Pumpkin Patch on every new regime inheriting the top picks of their first draft. I had fun busting balls with you and Rich about us winning 10 games in 2007. Speaking of Ohio State Buckeyes - I also LOVED it when Savage signed Free Agent Center LeCharles Bentley. As our luck at the time would have it, his NFL career ended on the 1st day of practice in shorts without contact. That happened while I was driving my dad and cousin from Rochester, NY to see the afternoon session of training camp. All that said, I posted big time frustration with Savage when our 2008 draft that didn't begin until round 4 netted only 1 keeper (Rubin) was further compounded by trading away all but 4 picks for the 2009 draft.
To your point above, I'm starting to see an inventory of players/play makers that I don't have to get all creative to get excited about. When we're in a passing era, it's nice to finally see some real effort into upgrading WR, CB and QB the way we did this off-season. I think the selection of Ward at #4 not only acknowledged a need to finally put a corner in our lineup capable of competing with the Antonio Browns, AJ Greens and Michael Crabtrees of our division - but it also takes into acct we have 2 DEs that were drafted at #1 overall and #32 overall. Ogbah actually had 2.5 more sacks than the turbo-hyped Bradley Chubb had in his final 2 years of college ball. It should be fun to watch him and Garrett play at the same time this year. Prior to getting injured last year, Ogbah was the #1 rated DE against the run by PFF for most of the time he was healthy. He also led us in sacks before Garrett played enough to top him.
- I.M. Sickasucky (the knucklehead formerly known as Flugel)
A few points and I defer to your personnel expertise. I listened to the Browns on Sirius all year, as Sunday is a busy day for Cathy and I. I can't stand to hear the homer pimping crap so I always listen to the opposing team's radio coverage. Without exception, each and every week the opposing announcers gushed over Ogbah calling him a one-man wrecking crew. I personally think the guy is a badass. However, it seems as though Browns fans don't like the guy. WTF is up with that?
On Garrett - He has a way to go to get me past my venom for him. The bullschidt he did about Jerry Jones? Honestly, I would never have drafted him. I don't buy this " he is just a kid" nonsense. He is a dumb fauhk, he really is. The kid reminds me of a dumb high school blonde whore. That doesn't mean he can't make something of himself, but if I had a chance to meet him, seriously, as I did to the big Steeler Linebacker SOB, I would call him a cuunt. I hate these A-holes who don't understand loyalty and who respect nothing but themselves.
Garrett is fast. He isn't a badass. He doesn't strike physical fear into anyone, and he never will. He worries people because his speed and agility is enough to get to the QB. I am okay with that. I just don't want to hear the horseschdit of comparing him to Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones, even Joe Turkey Jones. Garrett is NONE of that. he is a Millennial who is more into group hugs than he is providing intensity. Signing himself up for concussion protocol? Fauhking Merrill Hoge was forgetting where his nutsack was and they had to forcibly yank him, while he was kicking and screaming, off the field. Garrett ain't that. I will root for him, but I don't want to hear comparisons about how tough this caulk sucker is. To me....he is a pussy. He is no different from homosexual figure skaters. He is fast and has agility. I honestly think he is a homosexual, he surely is effeminate.
I will lay off the guy, but just don't tell me he is a badass. He isn't.
My true gut feeling is that the Browns are not going to have much of an improved season. I am not going to bitch about it. I am tired of us being the laughing stock of the NFL. I am a homer. I want to be proven wrong, and I am going to cheer for the Dorsey Era just as I would cheer if I had a weekend in Vegas with Stormy Daniels.
My reservations Tom, are what they always have been. I feel that the Browns purposely refuse to participate in drafting the very best, top, most herladed playmakers. THe guys who, if they follow script can change fortunes. Garrett was a blown pick because Trubisky has the fortune changing potential. If Garrett pans out to be as good as believed, he really won't add many wins to the Browns team. Garrett is the guy that someone like the Steelers pick. You take a Garrett at #1 when you have a full house. Coleman? Man, Ouch!
So, as I said in my pre-draft posts, I would have taken Barkley at #1, and then one of the Big 3 QBs whoever was left at #4. Who knows which of them, if any will pan out? The draft is a crap shoot, but if it is my team? I will bet on the guy who has the highest rated pre-draft star potential. I believe Barkley and ond of the big QBs would have been a world class draft.
However, again, as we have done so many times, (Quinn, Manziel, WInslow), we pass on the top prospects and purport to know how to beat the system by drafting the diamonds in the rough; the under-the-radar talent. The problem is, Tom, none of these diamonds in the rough ever pan out to be game changers.
My base feelings aside, I am aching to be wrong. I am aching to see Dorey return the Browns to winning prominence. Should they stink, I'll offer up no " I told you so" because honestly, this season, it would be a horrible disappointment to me for all of us to be again left with crapola. We deserve an honorable team again. I can't wait for this season to kick off.... well... I can.... I love Summer. It is healthy for me, but I will be ready for the Browns to rise from the dead.
A few points and I defer to your personnel expertise. I listened to the Browns on Sirius all year, as Sunday is a busy day for Cathy and I. I can't stand to hear the homer pimping crap so I always listen to the opposing team's radio coverage. Without exception, each and every week the opposing announcers gushed over Ogbah calling him a one-man wrecking crew. I personally think the guy is a badass. However, it seems as though Browns fans don't like the guy. WTF is up with that?
On Garrett - He has a way to go to get me past my venom for him. The bullschidt he did about Jerry Jones? Honestly, I would never have drafted him. I don't buy this " he is just a kid" nonsense. He is a dumb fauhk, he really is. The kid reminds me of a dumb high school blonde whore. That doesn't mean he can't make something of himself, but if I had a chance to meet him, seriously, as I did to the big Steeler Linebacker SOB, I would call him a cuunt. I hate these A-holes who don't understand loyalty and who respect nothing but themselves.
Garrett is fast. He isn't a badass. He doesn't strike physical fear into anyone, and he never will. He worries people because his speed and agility is enough to get to the QB. I am okay with that. I just don't want to hear the horseschdit of comparing him to Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones, even Joe Turkey Jones. Garrett is NONE of that.
I will lay off the guy, but just don't tell me he is a badass. He isn't.
My reservations Tom, are what they always have been. I feel that the Browns purposely refuse to participate in drafting the very best, top, most herladed playmakers. THe guys who, if they follow script can change fortunes. Garrett was a blown pick because Trubisky has the fortune changing potential. If Garrett pans out to be as good as believed, he really won't add many wins to the Browns team. Garrett is the guy that someone like the Steelers pick. You take a Garrett at #1 when you have a full house. Coleman? Man, Ouch!
So, as I said in my pre-draft posts, I would have taken Barkley at #1, and then one of the Big 3 QBs whoever was left at #4. Who knows which of them, if any will pan out? The draft is a crap shoot, but if it is my team? I will bet on the guy who has the highest rated pre-draft star potential. I believe Barkley and ond of the big QBs would have been a world class draft.
However, again, as we have done so many times, (Quinn, Manziel, WInslow), we pass on the top prospects and purport to know how to beat the system by drafting the diamonds in the rough; the under-the-radar talent. The problem is, Tom, none of these diamonds in the rough ever pan out to be game changers.
My base feelings aside, I am aching to be wrong. I am aching to see Dorey return the Browns to winning prominence. Should they stink, I'll offer up no " I told you so" because honestly, this season, it would be a horrible disappointment to me for all of us to be again left with crapola. We deserve an honorable team again. I can't wait for this season to kick off.... well... I can.... I love Summer. It is healthy for me, but I will be ready for the Browns to rise from the dead.
Don't lose sight of what was pumping you up more this year than others. You're seeing a different approach you said you refreshingly believe in. It's there for a reason. You're seeing us add quality vets like Landry, Gaines, Randall and Hyde (from that Ohio State program you want to add more of here).
As for the Garrett wanting to play Pro Football in the same state he played high school and selected to play college football in for a team he dreamed of playing for as a kid - how is this any different than LeBron James wanting to play for the Cleveland Cavs in the state he grew up in? Or Bernie Kosar wanting to play for the Browns in the state he was from? It isn't. That doesn't make them bad guys. It just reminds us they're still human.
I think you just cornered yourself into a point of no return on Garrett because you wanted Trubisky. I don't see anyone calling him a badass yet. Having said that, have you ever played football on a high ankle sprain? It's kind of hard to pretend you're gonna be Reggie White ragdolling 330 lb left tackles around when you're playing on a pogo stick. This guy was still drawing double-teams and putting heat on passers in spite of it. Never made any excuses or showed a desire to. His first play from scrimmage was a sack. And then the next week in limited action, he had 2 sacks. I don't see the weak, timid guy you seem to want to here for some reason. He showed up in better shape this year than he did last year. I'm a simple bastard. So remind me what's to hate here if we give his story a little bit more than the first paragraph on an ankle that has finally had the time to heal that the pre-draft workout circuit dictating how high up got drafted did not allow? The need to be right here is kicking your ability/willingness to give the guy a chance (as a fan) right between the lookers with a steel toe shitt kicker! Let's see what he does this year and go from there.
To your point about the perceived lack of love for Ogbah from the fanbase - I feel like I watched the same guy you did. He actually compared favorably to Chubb over their last 2 years of college football. Ogbah had 2.5 more sacks. On top of that, PFF rated Ogbah as the #1 DE against the run most of the time he played last year while he also led us in sacks at the time. Some guys sacrifice/lose their outside contain on the pass rush like Robert Quinn did frequently enough for the Rams to notice him being a liability against the run. Ogbah always kept his outside leverage to maintain the responsibility of containment; and turning everything up inside toward teammates in pursuit. Pretty text book with that discipline for just a 2nd year player IMO. I never saw where all/any of that made Bradley Chubb the answer to all our prayers at #4 overall; but I've certainly been wrong before. I'm glad we prioritized a corner our FO thinks can compete with the talented WRs in our division.
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A few points and I defer to your personnel expertise. I listened to the Browns on Sirius all year, as Sunday is a busy day for Cathy and I. I can't stand to hear the homer pimping crap so I always listen to the opposing team's radio coverage. Without exception, each and every week the opposing announcers gushed over Ogbah calling him a one-man wrecking crew. I personally think the guy is a badass. However, it seems as though Browns fans don't like the guy. WTF is up with that?
On Garrett - He has a way to go to get me past my venom for him. The bullschidt he did about Jerry Jones? Honestly, I would never have drafted him. I don't buy this " he is just a kid" nonsense. He is a dumb fauhk, he really is. The kid reminds me of a dumb high school blonde whore. That doesn't mean he can't make something of himself, but if I had a chance to meet him, seriously, as I did to the big Steeler Linebacker SOB, I would call him a cuunt. I hate these A-holes who don't understand loyalty and who respect nothing but themselves.
Garrett is fast. He isn't a badass. He doesn't strike physical fear into anyone, and he never will. He worries people because his speed and agility is enough to get to the QB. I am okay with that. I just don't want to hear the horseschdit of comparing him to Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones, even Joe Turkey Jones. Garrett is NONE of that.
I will lay off the guy, but just don't tell me he is a badass. He isn't.
My reservations Tom, are what they always have been. I feel that the Browns purposely refuse to participate in drafting the very best, top, most herladed playmakers. THe guys who, if they follow script can change fortunes. Garrett was a blown pick because Trubisky has the fortune changing potential. If Garrett pans out to be as good as believed, he really won't add many wins to the Browns team. Garrett is the guy that someone like the Steelers pick. You take a Garrett at #1 when you have a full house. Coleman? Man, Ouch!
So, as I said in my pre-draft posts, I would have taken Barkley at #1, and then one of the Big 3 QBs whoever was left at #4. Who knows which of them, if any will pan out? The draft is a crap shoot, but if it is my team? I will bet on the guy who has the highest rated pre-draft star potential. I believe Barkley and ond of the big QBs would have been a world class draft.
However, again, as we have done so many times, (Quinn, Manziel, WInslow), we pass on the top prospects and purport to know how to beat the system by drafting the diamonds in the rough; the under-the-radar talent. The problem is, Tom, none of these diamonds in the rough ever pan out to be game changers.
My base feelings aside, I am aching to be wrong. I am aching to see Dorey return the Browns to winning prominence. Should they stink, I'll offer up no " I told you so" because honestly, this season, it would be a horrible disappointment to me for all of us to be again left with crapola. We deserve an honorable team again. I can't wait for this season to kick off.... well... I can.... I love Summer. It is healthy for me, but I will be ready for the Browns to rise from the dead.
Don't lose sight of what was pumping you up more this year than others. You're seeing a different approach you said you refreshingly believe in. It's there for a reason. You're seeing us add quality vets like Landry, Gaines, Randall and Hyde (from that Ohio State program you want to add more of here).
As for the Garrett wanting to play Pro Football in the same state he played high school and selected to play college football in for a team he dreamed of playing for as a kid - how is this any different than LeBron James wanting to play for the Cleveland Cavs in the state he grew up in? Or Bernie Kosar wanting to play for the Browns in the state he was from? It isn't. That doesn't make them bad guys. It just reminds us they're still human.
I think you just cornered yourself into a point of no return on Garrett because you wanted Trubisky. I don't see anyone calling him a badass yet. Having said that, have you ever played football on a high ankle sprain? It's kind of hard to pretend you're gonna be Reggie White ragdolling 330 lb left tackles around when you're playing on a pogo stick. This guy was still drawing double-teams and putting heat on passers in spite of it. Never made any excuses or showed a desire to. His first play from scrimmage was a sack. And then the next week in limited action, he had 2 sacks. I don't see the weak, timid guy you seem to want to here for some reason. He showed up in better shape this year than he did last year. I'm a simple bastard. So remind me what's to hate here if we give his story a little bit more than the first paragraph on an ankle that has finally had the time to heal that the pre-draft workout circuit dictating how high up got drafted did not allow? The need to be right here is kicking your ability/willingness to give the guy a chance (as a fan) right between the lookers with a steel toe shitt kicker! Let's see what he does this year and go from there.
To your point about the perceived lack of love for Ogbah from the fanbase - I feel like I watched the same guy you did. He actually compared favorably to Chubb over their last 2 years of college football. Ogbah had 2.5 more sacks. On top of that, PFF rated Ogbah as the #1 DE against the run most of the time he played last year while he also led us in sacks at the time. Some guys sacrifice/lose their outside contain on the pass rush like Robert Quinn did frequently enough for the Rams to notice him being a liability against the run. Ogbah always kept his outside leverage to maintain the responsibility of containment; and turning everything up inside toward teammates in pursuit. Pretty text book with that discipline for just a 2nd year player IMO. I never saw where all/any of that made Bradley Chubb the answer to all our prayers at #4 overall; but I've certainly been wrong before. I'm glad we prioritized a corner our FO thinks can compete with the talented WRs in our division.
Don't lose sight of what was pumping you up more this year than others. You're seeing a different approach you said you refreshingly believe in. It's there for a reason. You're seeing us add quality vets like Landry, Gaines, Randall and Hyde (from that Ohio State program you want to add more of here).
As for the Garrett wanting to play Pro Football in the same state he played high school and selected to play college football in for a team he dreamed of playing for as a kid - how is this any different than LeBron James wanting to play for the Cleveland Cavs in the state he grew up in? Or Bernie Kosar wanting to play for the Browns in the state he was from? It isn't. That doesn't make them bad guys. It just reminds us they're still human.
I think you just cornered yourself into a point of no return on Garrett because you wanted Trubisky. I don't see anyone calling him a badass yet. Having said that, have you ever played football on a high ankle sprain? It's kind of hard to pretend you're gonna be Reggie White ragdolling 330 lb left tackles around when you're playing on a pogo stick. This guy was still drawing double-teams and putting heat on passers in spite of it. Never made any excuses or showed a desire to. His first play from scrimmage was a sack. And then the next week in limited action, he had 2 sacks. I don't see the weak, timid guy you seem to want to here for some reason. He showed up in better shape this year than he did last year. I'm a simple bastard. So remind me what's to hate here if we give his story a little bit more than the first paragraph on an ankle that has finally had the time to heal that the pre-draft workout circuit dictating how high up got drafted did not allow? The need to be right here is kicking your ability/willingness to give the guy a chance (as a fan) right between the lookers with a steel toe shitt kicker! Let's see what he does this year and go from there.
To your point about the perceived lack of love for Ogbah from the fanbase - I feel like I watched the same guy you did. He actually compared favorably to Chubb over their last 2 years of college football. Ogbah had 2.5 more sacks. On top of that, PFF rated Ogbah as the #1 DE against the run most of the time he played last year while he also led us in sacks at the time. Some guys sacrifice/lose their outside contain on the pass rush like Robert Quinn did frequently enough for the Rams to notice him being a liability against the run. Ogbah always kept his outside leverage to maintain the responsibility of containment; and turning everything up inside toward teammates in pursuit. Pretty text book with that discipline for just a 2nd year player IMO. I never saw where all/any of that made Bradley Chubb the answer to all our prayers at #4 overall; but I've certainly been wrong before. I'm glad we prioritized a corner our FO thinks can compete with the talented WRs in our division.
All in all Flugs, I just want them to win. As I said, I am past the " I told you so" stage. I am closer to the grave than I am the cradle and am too busy focusing on what the next years will hold to keep fighting the Ghoolie was right fight. I have my doubts, but I am going to defer to the "experts" and let them do what they get paid to do.
I think this much; if the 2018 season is another wreck, I don't mean a 4 or 5 win season, but I mean another 2016 or 2017, I just don't know how any fan can remain. I really don't. I am not one to say schidt like, " I will be done" but being honest, I really don't watch the Browns much. Opening day with the local backers, then whatever I see on NFL Red Zone, or I listen on Sirius while Cathy and I run errands on Sunday. So, I am already pretty removed. You guys here keep me connected more than anything. No kidding. The backers gang here are great. They ask me all the time to visit with them. I go once a year....it's all I can muster.
We'll see what happens, Tom.
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