Foles spurns Browns
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Foles is in Philly, right?
Tyrod is in Browns town, right?
That's all I need to know.....GO TYROD & GO BROWNS!!!!
Mike
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Right they basically struck out in the FA market and Taylor/Stanton was what they ended up with, hopefully Mayfield will be the future.
In any event they should have a much improved product on the field in 2018.
I don't know if they "struck out" at all in Free Agency. If I am correct, they made the trade for TT before the free agency period started....so they took themselves out of the market for QBs in FA.
It seems that you are getting a lot of facts wrong about this situation today. Better check the dosage on your memory pills.
I don't know if they "struck out" at all in Free Agency. If I am correct, they made the trade for TT before the free agency period started....so they took themselves out of the market for QBs in FA.
It seems that you are getting a lot of facts wrong about this situation today. Better check the dosage on your memory pills.
I think it went something like:
2018 NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
IMPORTANT DATESJANUARY January 1 Clubs may begin signing free agent players for the 2018 season. A. Smith and Cousins among other FA QBs were gone and not to Cleveland.
In early March the Bills traded away Taylor before having to pay him any due extra monies owed. Not a bad deal for the BROWNS.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
What's left?
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Explain.
No purpose in wasting long-term assets on the bridge QB who won't be here in 2 years anyway. Much better to grab our LT/C of the next 10 years.. Either that or Dorsey is looking at Tyrod as a darn good long-term backup after Baker gets the promotion.
Note that RT is now the premium tackle position -- more of the sack names you know go up against RT in this league than LT now. That's why Lane Johnson of the Eagles plays RT rather than LT.. I said all that to say that top of the second [the pick offered for Foles] is actually likely the right place to grab starting LT these days.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Explain.
No purpose in wasting long-term assets on the bridge QB who won't be here in 2 years anyway. Much better to grab our LT/C of the next 10 years.. Either that or Dorsey is looking at Tyrod as a darn good long-term backup after Baker gets the promotion.
Note that RT is now the premium tackle position -- more of the sack names you know go up against RT in this league than LT now. That's why Lane Johnson of the Eagles plays RT rather than LT.. I said all that to say that top of the second [the pick offered for Foles] is actually likely the right place to grab starting LT these days.
No purpose in wasting long-term assets on the bridge QB who won't be here in 2 years anyway. Much better to grab our LT/C of the next 10 years..
Note that RT is now the premium tackle position -- more of the sack names you know go up against RT in this league than LT now. That's why Lane Johnson of the Eagles plays RT rather than LT.. I said all that to say that top of the second [the pick offered for Foles] is actually likely the right place to grab starting LT these days.
Actually it was #35 overall that may have been offered, which is Chubb.
https://sports.yahoo.com/eagles-reportedly-turned-down-nick-230823525.html
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Our version of the Saints RB duo wouldn't be possible with the 3rd round pick.. I think we're better off with TT and Chubb than Foles and whoever the 3rd would be..
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Explain.
Really? Aside from a couple of his Flacco-like stretches he is at best a barely 60% completion QB, with a low YPA and lacking the ability or willingness to drive the ball downfield.
He's Alex Smith lite at best.
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I don't know if they "struck out" at all in Free Agency. If I am correct, they made the trade for TT before the free agency period started....so they took themselves out of the market for QBs in FA.
It seems that you are getting a lot of facts wrong about this situation today. Better check the dosage on your memory pills.
I think it went something like:
2018 NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
IMPORTANT DATESJANUARY January 1 Clubs may begin signing free agent players for the 2018 season. A. Smith and Cousins among other FA QBs were gone and not to Cleveland.
In early March the Bills traded away Taylor before having to pay him any due extra monies owed. Not a bad deal for the BROWNS.
I think it went something like:
2018 NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
IMPORTANT DATESJANUARY January 1 Clubs may begin signing free agent players for the 2018 season. A. Smith and Cousins among other FA QBs were gone and not to Cleveland.
In early March the Bills traded away Taylor before having to pay him any due extra monies owed. Not a bad deal for the BROWNS.
So, I am right. They traded for TT before the FA season began. Remember...Smith was traded to the Redskins...he was not a FA. Cousins was going to ask...and get stupid money that the Browns had NO interest in giving....so they were NEVER going to be in the market for him.
Also...I am not sure that TT takes a back seat in ability to either Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins.
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Explain.
No purpose in wasting long-term assets on the bridge QB who won't be here in 2 years anyway. Much better to grab our LT/C of the next 10 years.. Either that or Dorsey is looking at Tyrod as a darn good long-term backup after Baker gets the promotion.
Note that RT is now the premium tackle position -- more of the sack names you know go up against RT in this league than LT now. That's why Lane Johnson of the Eagles plays RT rather than LT.. I said all that to say that top of the second [the pick offered for Foles] is actually likely the right place to grab starting LT these days.
No purpose in wasting long-term assets on the bridge QB who won't be here in 2 years anyway. Much better to grab our LT/C of the next 10 years.. Either that or Dorsey is looking at Tyrod as a darn good long-term backup after Baker gets the promotion.
Note that RT is now the premium tackle position -- more of the sack names you know go up against RT in this league than LT now. That's why Lane Johnson of the Eagles plays RT rather than LT.. I said all that to say that top of the second [the pick offered for Foles] is actually likely the right place to grab starting LT these days.
Let me interpret: It is better to give up a 3rd rounder for a QB that will serve as our "bridge"....than a high second rounder for someone to do so....who may actually have no interest in that role if he were to come here, seeing that he just won a Super Bowl and believes he could/should be a long term starter rather than a "bridge" guy. ??
That makes sense, certainly.
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I think it went something like:
2018 NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
IMPORTANT DATESJANUARY January 1 Clubs may begin signing free agent players for the 2018 season. A. Smith and Cousins among other FA QBs were gone and not to Cleveland.
In early March the Bills traded away Taylor before having to pay him any due extra monies owed. Not a bad deal for the BROWNS.
So, I am right. They traded for TT before the FA season began. Remember...Smith was traded to the Redskins...he was not a FA. Cousins was going to ask...and get stupid money that the Browns had NO interest in giving....so they were NEVER going to be in the market for him.
Also...I am not sure that TT takes a back seat in ability to either Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins.
So, I am right. They traded for TT before the FA season began. Remember...Smith was traded to the Redskins...he was not a FA. Cousins was going to ask...and get stupid money that the Browns had NO interest in giving....so they were NEVER going to be in the market for him.
Also...I am not sure that TT takes a back seat in ability to either Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins.
Maybe from the last game of last season until the draft beginning on April 26th I just got burned out on all of the quarterback blah-blah-blah talk and no FA really ended up saying "I'm going to Cleveland" the way kids say "We're going to Disney World".......no takers. No good experienced quarterback wants to join the meat grinder of starting quarterbacks from 1999 to the present.
Actually things worked out probably as good as they could have with the BROWNS getting Taylor/Stanton as the 2018 team while the boy wonder Baker Mayfield gets ready for his eventual debut.
........and Kirk Cousins didn't become a ridiculously overpriced, overpaid quarterback on Cleveland's dime and then went out and bought Cedar Point.
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So, I am right. They traded for TT before the FA season began. Remember...Smith was traded to the Redskins...he was not a FA. Cousins was going to ask...and get stupid money that the Browns had NO interest in giving....so they were NEVER going to be in the market for him.
Also...I am not sure that TT takes a back seat in ability to either Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins.
Maybe from the last game of last season until the draft beginning on April 26th I just got burned out on all of the quarterback blah-blah-blah talk and no FA really ended up saying "I'm going to Cleveland" the way kids say "We're going to Disney World".......no takers. No good experienced quarterback wants to join the meat grinder of starting quarterbacks from 1999 to the present.
Actually things worked out probably as good as they could have with the BROWNS getting Taylor/Stanton as the 2018 team while the boy wonder Baker Mayfield gets ready for his eventual debut.
........and Kirk Cousins didn't become a ridiculously overpriced, overpaid quarterback on Cleveland's dime and then went out and bought Cedar Point.
Maybe from the last game of last season until the draft beginning on April 26th I just got burned out on all of the quarterback blah-blah-blah talk and no FA really ended up saying "I'm going to Cleveland" the way kids say "We're going to Disney World".......no takers. No good experienced quarterback wants to join the meat grinder of starting quarterbacks from 1999 to the present.
Actually things worked out probably as good as they could have with the BROWNS getting Taylor/Stanton as the 2018 team while the boy wonder Baker Mayfield gets ready for his eventual debut.
........and Kirk Cousins didn't become a ridiculously overpriced, overpaid quarterback on Cleveland's dime and then went out and bought Cedar Point.
Just WHO were all these fabulous FA QBs out there that were eligible for FA that the Browns did not get....that were far and away better than Tyrod Taylor. Answer: not on fuycking person. Cousins? Big numbers, few wins. Case Keenum? One year wonder...not that much of a career.
I mean...who the hell did the Browns miss out on as a FA QB that was so great? Not a Goddamned soul.
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free agency didn't begin until March 14th.....
Yes I was looking at the NFL.com schedule of events for 2018, d'oh.
As far as who the BROWNS didn't get for whatever reason (I hate replowing old manure fields) but FA QBs just don't seem to want to come to Cleveland.......and I think the BROWNS did ok in the draft and other manuvers all in all.
March 7, 2018, top QBs available (Rankings from NFL.com's Top 101 free agents)........not an outstanding class that's for sure.
1. Kirk Cousins, Redskins.....thank goodness passed up.
With Washington's reported trade for Alex Smith set to be official at the start of the league year, Cousins is set to be somewhere else in 2018, and he's expected to be handsomely rewarded in the process. Cousins threw for thank more than 4,000 yards in each of the last three seasons, including a 2016 Pro Bowl campaign.
2. Drew Brees, Saints.....no chance.
The future Hall of Famer has maintained he plans to stay in New Orleans, and there's no reason to believe he won't make good on that pledge.
8. Case Keenum, Vikings......?
The veteran journeyman is set to hit the market after his best season by a long shot. Playing in relief of an injured Sam Bradford, Keenum threw for 3,547 yards, 22 touchdowns and seven interceptions while leading the Vikings to an NFC North crown and a trip to the NFC Championship.
11. Teddy Twatwater, Vikings......eh.
Once believed to be Minnesota's franchise quarterback, Bridgewater could be headed elsewhere after missing most of the past two seasons with a severe knee injury. Bridgewater made the Pro Bowl in 2015 when he threw for 3,231 yards and 14 touchdowns.
12. Sam Bradford, Vikings
Yes, there are three Minnesota quarterbacks set to be free agents. Bradford, the former No. 1 pick, missed most of 2017 because of lingering knee issues. In 2016, he set the NFL record for accuracy (71.6 completion percentage) while throwing for 3,877 yards, 20 touchdowns and just five interceptions.
31. AJ McCarron - Bengals
After winning a grievance hearing against the Bengals, McCarron is set to be an unrestricted free agent and is poised to land somewhere he has a chance to start. He made the most of an opportunity in 2015 when Andy Dalton went down with a season-ending injury, as he led the Bengals to two wins near the end of the regular season and had Cincinnati in position to beat the Steelers in the playoffs.
45. Josh McCown, Jets
The former Browns signal-caller is coming off one of the best seasons of a career that began way back in 2002. Before a season-ending injury, McCown threw for 2,926 yards, 18 touchdowns and nine interceptions while leading the Jets to an unexpected five wins.
78. Colin Kaepernick
He was out of football all last season but continues to look for a landing spot. Kaepernick led the 49ers to the Super Bowl in 2012 and put up solid numbers the following two seasons.
101. Jay Cutler, Dolphins
Once retired, Cutler was a late addition to the Dolphins after Ryan Tannehill's season-ending injury and went on to throw for 2,666 yards, 19 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. It's unclear if Cutler plans to pursue another season.
Honorable mention: Blaine Gabbert, Mike Glennon
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free agency didn't begin until March 14th.....
I believe we went in knowing we were drafting a QB #1. We weren't going to roll the dice on Cousins or Keenum. We wanted a reliable guy to come in and give us a chance to win games for 1 or 2 years while the rook developed. Maybe the missing piece of this so called Foles story is we wouldn't talk extension with him, and promise not to draft a QB.
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free agency didn't begin until March 14th.....
I believe we went in knowing we were drafting a QB #1. We weren't going to roll the dice on Cousins or Keenum. We wanted a reliable guy to come in and give us a chance to win games for 1 or 2 years while the rook developed. Maybe the missing piece of this so called Foles story is we wouldn't talk extension with him, and promise not to draft a QB.
I believe we went in knowing we were drafting a QB #1. We weren't going to roll the dice on Cousins or Keenum. We wanted a reliable guy to come in and give us a chance to win games for 1 or 2 years while the rook developed. Maybe the missing piece of this so called Foles story is we wouldn't talk extension with him, and promise not to draft a QB.
Yeah my personal PLAN A got shot down with the "sign an established good quarterback FA and pick a power #1 & 4"......Geeezzzus that was a long few months!
And now we're looking at Hard Knocks, things are getting interesting in Cleveland, OH!
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free agency didn't begin until March 14th.....
I believe we went in knowing we were drafting a QB #1. We weren't going to roll the dice on Cousins or Keenum. We wanted a reliable guy to come in and give us a chance to win games for 1 or 2 years while the rook developed. Maybe the missing piece of this so called Foles story is we wouldn't talk extension with him, and promise not to draft a QB.
I believe we went in knowing we were drafting a QB #1. We weren't going to roll the dice on Cousins or Keenum. We wanted a reliable guy to come in and give us a chance to win games for 1 or 2 years while the rook developed. Maybe the missing piece of this so called Foles story is we wouldn't talk extension with him, and promise not to draft a QB.
I agree & also believe that we took the right path, but only time will tell. Bottom line is that we have who we have & that's who I support. GO BROWNS!
Mike
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