Note to Zombo on Cleveland Fans
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@fsg said:
You're an idiot. The games were Sold Out. That was my point.Now, did at times fans fail to attend? Yes. But if you are going to sit there and talk up how great a fans you guys are and never fail to go to games, then you are a hypocritical assclown. I grew up in Ohio, I watched plenty of Steelers games on Channel 3 when Cleveland Stadium wasn't sold out, and this was during the "Browns heyday" of 1985-1989. I got to see at least 4 Steelers games per year due to the Browns being blacked out and another game being put on in its place.
To sit there and talk about what great fans you are, you guys are full of shit. What you are, is sickeningly jealous, to the point where it drives you crazy, that you have routinely rooted for losers and Pittsburgh has had 11 World Championships to feast on since you last had one. Hell, we've had 2 in the last 4 months, you've had NONE in the last 45 years. So, what you do, is make up this pathetic self-given title that you are "the best fans" to make yourselves feel better. Then go ahead and think you are the greatest fans on Earth, ignoring the obvious. You would give anything to have just one of the Championships we have, and jack, that is the real fact.
Thanks for making our point. FRONTRUNNER Insanely jealous? Hardly. Easiest thing in the world to root for a winner. Uh, I haven't seen a hell of a lot of 49ers Jerseys lately here in Ohio. Can you follow that drift? And the Steelers are on the same roll, and the karma will change, eventually.
Now if you want to talk blackouts- the Browns had one of the biggest stadium in the NFL- and did you ever sit in any of the less desirable seats? I sure did. Obstructed views, seats at such a low angle it was impossible to see the game past the 50 yard line, beyond nosebleed up in the rafters, with 40 mph -20 windchill coming up your back in December. Yeah,the beer froze back in the 70's at a Rams game before we ever made it to the stadium. In case you didn't know it- the old stadium was built for a possible Olympic bid way back in the 30's and for baseball and football it left a hell of a lot to be desired.
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@fsg said:
You're an idiot. The games were Sold Out. That was my point.Now, did at times fans fail to attend? Yes. But if you are going to sit there and talk up how great a fans you guys are and never fail to go to games, then you are a hypocritical assclown. I grew up in Ohio, I watched plenty of Steelers games on Channel 3 when Cleveland Stadium wasn't sold out, and this was during the "Browns heyday" of 1985-1989. I got to see at least 4 Steelers games per year due to the Browns being blacked out and another game being put on in its place.
To sit there and talk about what great fans you are, you guys are full of shit. What you are, is sickeningly jealous, to the point where it drives you crazy, that you have routinely rooted for losers and Pittsburgh has had 11 World Championships to feast on since you last had one. Hell, we've had 2 in the last 4 months, you've had NONE in the last 45 years. So, what you do, is make up this pathetic self-given title that you are "the best fans" to make yourselves feel better. Then go ahead and think you are the greatest fans on Earth, ignoring the obvious. You would give anything to have just one of the Championships we have, and jack, that is the real fact.
You say those games were sold out? First off, I have seen no evidence or proof of that other than a Steeler fans statement.
Secondly, if they were sold out, that is even more pathetic, because that means on many, many occasions more than 10,000, 20,000, in some cases as many as 30,000 no shows.
Furthermore, you reconfirm my EXACT point....that Pittsburgh HAS had all these championships and Cleveland has had none, yet it is CLEVELAND that supports its teams far better. Pittsburghers NEED all those titles to consider themselves "good fans". We haven't needed them. When all y'all have been put in the position the Browns have been in in the past a pathetic 35,000 or so have shown up. And note, parenthetically, it is a hell of a lot harder to sell out an 80,000 seat stadium with a bad team than it is to sell out a 55,000 seat stadium with a good team
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wow. We sound pathetic.
Our argument is that we are better fans because we follow a bad football team?
Just like the guy who has a rebel flag and can't accept the South lost the war.
Like the Iraq PR guy when the US was taking over Bagdad.
I miss the good old days when we would argue Quinn was better than Rothlisberger because , ...well, because we said so.
The Soldier said:
wow. We sound pathetic.Our argument is that we are better fans because we follow a bad football team?
Just like the guy who has a rebel flag and can't accept the South lost the war.
Like the Iraq PR guy when the US was taking over Bagdad.
I miss the good old days when we would argue Quinn was better than Rothlisberger because , ...well, because we said so.
Its not that we are better fans because we follow a bad team, we are better fans because we still rabidly support that bad team notwithstanding the fact that the team is bad. And the contrary argument is would those so called "great fans" of the Steelers...or Cowboys or whoever be such "great fans" if their team sucked as bad as ours has? Likely not.
(I agree with you though on the South thing....except today it is manifested by the fact that the yokels down South think that because the SEC has had a decent recent run of success in football that they are vindicated for having had slavery and Jim Crow laws and lynchings and Ku Klux Klan rallies)
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Correct ALL the Game s Were Sold out... Issues with Weather and Other Factors contributed to the numbers on Game Day. Geezz that Pats game was like 5 degrees with a -18 Wind Chill. Steelers put 25% and Higher of the Fans in Most ROAD games. They are know World wide as Some of Sports most Passionate fans ! Get the freak over your selves and you stupid obsession with Ripping Pittsburgh. This is the Only site I go on in the NFL where the Obsession is Not with the Home team but a Rival !! Goodness develop some Pride and Not this endless whining !!
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Correct ALL the Game s Were Sold out... Issues with Weather and Other Factors contributed to the numbers on Game Day. Geezz that Pats game was like 5 degrees with a -18 Wind Chill. Steelers put 25% and Higher of the Fans in Most ROAD games. They are know World wide as Some of Sports most Passionate fans ! Get the freak over your selves and you stupid obsession with Ripping Pittsburgh. This is the Only site I go on in the NFL where the Obsession is Not with the Home team but a Rival !! Goodness develop some Pride and Not this endless whining !!Like a stupid Steeler fan you missed the whole point. The whole point was that we DO have pride...true pride. Pride that comes through in hard times. We have shown that. The fans here show up in hard times...losing times, bad weather times. We do not need the championships that the Steelers have to equally be fanatical for our team. And the fact is your own statements simply point out what fair weather fans Pittsburghers were...and very may well be again when hard times hit that franchise.
5 degrees and -18 wind chill? That would result in 300 no shows here, or in the worst scenario, 3000. But you had 30,000 no shows. Sorry, I got to go along with the guy from KC. Bills and Browns fans vehemently support their teams through good and bad. We certainly would never have 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 no shows in a PLAYOFF season as did the Steelers.
(even if you forgive them that one bad weather game....what happened the previous two weeks when only 42,000 or so fans chose to show up)
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Cleveland fans, in addition to being the longest suffering in North America, may very well be the best fans in North America.
and they may very well be guilty of being enablers too. some day we need to stop rewarding a lack of success. not being a Richard, Gip, but there seems to be a correlation there. makes a guy wonder if CLE may have developed a "free pass" mentality?
and they may very well be guilty of being enablers too. some day we need to stop rewarding a lack of success. not being a Richard, Gip, but there seems to be a correlation there. makes a guy wonder if CLE may have developed a "free pass" mentality?
Valid question. I certainly hope that would not be true.
Let's face it, the difference between the two organizations has been: Ownership, organization, management.
We have had Art Modell and Randy Lerner for the most of the last 50 years. We all know what a failure Art was, and Randy has not been able to get his act together...yet. They do not compare to Dan Rooney who has competently run the Steelers for these last 40 years (Art Rooney became a figurehead owner of that team long before their breakthrough in the early 70s...nice man, but it was his son that brought that team to prominence and who has kept it there).
Needless to say, the "management" of the Browns has left a lot to be desired. When Modell had a football guy like Paul Brown or Blanton Collier or Ernie Accorsi running things, the team thrived. When he tried to be too hands on...not so good.
And since the team's "return" in 1999 we have had a series of failed coaches/GMs from Dwight Clark to Butch Davis to Phil Savage.
Considering the bitching that goes on about the team, and the dismissal of the above mentioned persons I would hope that doesn't give us a "free pass" mentality...such as was prevalent for years and years in say the Cardinals organization.
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@fsg said:
Please.Drop it hypocrite.
If you are the fans you claim to be, watching your "winning" team in the late 80s, why should you not have a sell out?
There is no team in America that doesn't have bandwagon jumpers. You are no different. No one ever heard of the Indians prior to 1994, but all of a sudden, a winning team comes along and you sell out every single game.
Yet you claim you are fans thick and thin? You're a hypocrite.
The Cavaliers couldn't draw flies before 2003.
Back in 1993, I remember all these Browns fans telling me how they didn't care anymore and wanted the Browns to lose because Belichick cut Bernie.
You guys are hypocrites.
But whatever makes you feel good. Steeler Nation is 10 times stronger than you could ever be. Opposing teams ask their fans not to sell their tickets to Steelers Fans. Super Bowl XL was 90% Steeler Fans. There was a 25 to 1 ratio of Steeler fan to Cardinal fan in Tampa, and those people just came down for the game itself, no tickets. We own your asses....but if it makes you feel better, go ahead and pretend you're the best fans---its a paper championship and I prefer the parades and hardware. 11 titles we've had since your last one jack. Thats a fact.
Ask any of those teams like in Tampa, Arizona, San Diego etc. Browns fans....even with the bad teams are serious road warriors. That is not to say that Steeler fans are not good fans who travel well. They clearly are. Though they may at best be incrementally better than Browns fans are at this point...with our bad team.
Yes, there are going to be your frontrunners...how many Cowboy/Raider/Yankee/Celtic/Bulls/Laker fans did you see everywhere when those teams are winning.
Again, the point being that your 12 championships (see, Pittsburgh fans are so dim they can't even keep track of the titles that teams in their town have won) have gotten you an ever so small advantage...perhaps...in fan enthusiam.
Let's see how enthusiastic all of yinz would be if you went as long as we have without a title. That would take you from now til 2054 without a title. (Can you say the El Paso Pirates...the Winnipeg Penguins...maybe the Steelers stay)
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Correct ALL the Game s Were Sold out... Issues with Weather and Other Factors contributed to the numbers on Game Day. Geezz that Pats game was like 5 degrees with a -18 Wind Chill. Steelers put 25% and Higher of the Fans in Most ROAD games. They are know World wide as Some of Sports most Passionate fans ! Get the freak over your selves and you stupid obsession with Ripping Pittsburgh. This is the Only site I go on in the NFL where the Obsession is Not with the Home team but a Rival !! Goodness develop some Pride and Not this endless whining !!hey Freak, and you are one, you blast us and yet you lurk around our board with your BS. 99% of discussion here is about our team and the passion we feel for them not your towel waving nonsense.
73,000 week in week out irrespective of results says everything you need to know. Of course we want more and will get it but when it comes those that witness it will have been there throughout not just jumping on the W train like your bunch of armchair "fans". I bet you have loads of fans who travel the globe to be part of your great fanbase.
Jealousy is ugly and even uglier in piss yellow and black.
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hey Freak, and you are one, you blast us and yet you lurk around our board with your BS. 99% of discussion here is about our team and the passion we feel for them not your towel waving nonsense.
73,000 week in week out irrespective of results says everything you need to know. Of course we want more and will get it but when it comes those that witness it will have been there throughout not just jumping on the W train like your bunch of armchair "fans". I bet you have loads of fans who travel the globe to be part of your great fanbase.
Jealousy is ugly and even uglier in piss yellow and black.
The Green Eyed Mosnter Lives in CLEVELAND Howie... Totally Hilarious that you would think we (STeeler Fans) have any Longing to be like Cleveland. And I dont Lurk , and am very positive here. You dont see me ripping you guys up. I respect Cleveland and its History. Most on this site KNOW i am not a Troll or ignoramus. I will defend our Fan base however. And You generalize and exaggerate so much about Pittsburghs fans, its sad. And I Know Tons of Browns fans (Like 50) and a Good half of them Follow 2 teams .... So while they remain "Fans" They also , have another team they "Like". Maybe its from the No Team days , I dont know. But dont blow the Holier than Thou BS. The Teams Fans in General are cut of the Same Cloth. Fans are Fans and WINNING will increase you Fans. Thats life... you will see . DAMN you HAVE Seen look at the Tribe !!! They had NO Fans then The Jake and Albert Bell Thome and Co. Happend and BOOM !!! Cleveland is suddenly a baseball town. Fans are Fans !!
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@jadbf said:
*Note to Mods
if you delete a post from a moron and I've responded to said post. please feel free to delete my post also. you won't hear any whining from me.
Yeah, some people can't figure out our team great, yours sucks doesn't fly well here. Or nyah, nyah, our fans better than your fans.
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hey Freak, and you are one, you blast us and yet you lurk around our board with your BS. 99% of discussion here is about our team and the passion we feel for them not your towel waving nonsense.
73,000 week in week out irrespective of results says everything you need to know. Of course we want more and will get it but when it comes those that witness it will have been there throughout not just jumping on the W train like your bunch of armchair "fans". I bet you have loads of fans who travel the globe to be part of your great fanbase.
Jealousy is ugly and even uglier in piss yellow and black.
The Green Eyed Mosnter Lives in CLEVELAND Howie... Totally Hilarious that you would think we (STeeler Fans) have any Longing to be like Cleveland. And I dont Lurk , and am very positive here. You dont see me ripping you guys up. I respect Cleveland and its History. Most on this site KNOW i am not a Troll or ignoramus. I will defend our Fan base however. And You generalize and exaggerate so much about Pittsburghs fans, its sad. And I Know Tons of Browns fans (Like 50) and a Good half of them Follow 2 teams .... So while they remain "Fans" They also , have another team they "Like". Maybe its from the No Team days , I dont know. But dont blow the Holier than Thou BS. The Teams Fans in General are cut of the Same Cloth. Fans are Fans and WINNING will increase you Fans. Thats life... you will see . DAMN you HAVE Seen look at the Tribe !!! They had NO Fans then The Jake and Albert Bell Thome and Co. Happend and BOOM !!! Cleveland is suddenly a baseball town. Fans are Fans !!
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
The Green Eyed Mosnter Lives in CLEVELAND Howie... Totally Hilarious that you would think we (STeeler Fans) have any Longing to be like Cleveland. And I dont Lurk , and am very positive here. You dont see me ripping you guys up. I respect Cleveland and its History. Most on this site KNOW i aint not a Troll and ignoramus. I will defend our Fan base however. And You generalize and exaggerate so much about Pittsburghs fans, its sad. And I Know Tons of Browns fans (Like 50) and a Good half of them Follow 2 teams .... So while they remain "Fans" They also , have another team they "Like". Maybe its from the No Team days , I dont know. But dont blow the Holier than Thou BS. The Teams Fans in General are cut of the Same Cloth. Fans are Fans and WINNING will increase you Fans. Thats life... you will see . DAMN you HAVE Seen look at the Tribe !!! They had NO Fans then The Jake and Albert Bell Thome and Co. Happend and BOOM !!! Cleveland is suddenly a baseball town. Fans are Fans !!FoS08, I can honestly say that i do not think we are jealous of you stoolers. Seriously.
Jealousy is not an emotion I have ever encountered from a Browns fan with regard to Pittsburgh. Plenty other emotions for sure but not Jealousy. No one can take your rings away and yes the team has outplayed us in recent history but that does not make us jealous, in the slightest. We just want to beat you. That's all that drives us.
BUT I do think that Pittsburgh knows that our fanbase is better than theirs, you might not admit it but you know deep down inside it's true. Go one, ask yourself honestly now, does the Browns have a more dedicated fanbase than the Stoolers? If you don't go into self denial you will will come up with a yes, the browns are more dedicated to their team than us. The reason being, the whole of the US knows it so don't fight it. Damn, I'm from England and have known it for over 20 years, when it comes to the best fans in the league, it's all about Cleveland.
I also reckon that there is a little bit of you that wants to be a Cleveland fan too, isn't there? be honest with yourself. You can come out on this board, no one will laugh.
Good luck with your impending introspection.
Howie.
Tailgate loving, Steelers hating, Trans-Atlantic Browns fan. Annually disappointed since '88. Annually optimistic since '88. GO BROWNS! -
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hey Freak, and you are one, you blast us and yet you lurk around our board with your BS. 99% of discussion here is about our team and the passion we feel for them not your towel waving nonsense.
73,000 week in week out irrespective of results says everything you need to know. Of course we want more and will get it but when it comes those that witness it will have been there throughout not just jumping on the W train like your bunch of armchair "fans". I bet you have loads of fans who travel the globe to be part of your great fanbase.
Jealousy is ugly and even uglier in piss yellow and black.
The Green Eyed Mosnter Lives in CLEVELAND Howie... Totally Hilarious that you would think we (STeeler Fans) have any Longing to be like Cleveland. And I dont Lurk , and am very positive here. You dont see me ripping you guys up. I respect Cleveland and its History. Most on this site KNOW i am not a Troll or ignoramus. I will defend our Fan base however. And You generalize and exaggerate so much about Pittsburghs fans, its sad. And I Know Tons of Browns fans (Like 50) and a Good half of them Follow 2 teams .... So while they remain "Fans" They also , have another team they "Like". Maybe its from the No Team days , I dont know. But dont blow the Holier than Thou BS. The Teams Fans in General are cut of the Same Cloth. Fans are Fans and WINNING will increase you Fans. Thats life... you will see . DAMN you HAVE Seen look at the Tribe !!! They had NO Fans then The Jake and Albert Bell Thome and Co. Happend and BOOM !!! Cleveland is suddenly a baseball town. Fans are Fans !!
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
The Green Eyed Mosnter Lives in CLEVELAND Howie... Totally Hilarious that you would think we (STeeler Fans) have any Longing to be like Cleveland. And I dont Lurk , and am very positive here. You dont see me ripping you guys up. I respect Cleveland and its History. Most on this site KNOW i aint not a Troll and ignoramus. I will defend our Fan base however. And You generalize and exaggerate so much about Pittsburghs fans, its sad. And I Know Tons of Browns fans (Like 50) and a Good half of them Follow 2 teams .... So while they remain "Fans" They also , have another team they "Like". Maybe its from the No Team days , I dont know. But dont blow the Holier than Thou BS. The Teams Fans in General are cut of the Same Cloth. Fans are Fans and WINNING will increase you Fans. Thats life... you will see . DAMN you HAVE Seen look at the Tribe !!! They had NO Fans then The Jake and Albert Bell Thome and Co. Happend and BOOM !!! Cleveland is suddenly a baseball town. Fans are Fans !!Cleveland was always a sleeping giant as a baseball market. If you go 40 years without winning anything...not even a single playoff berth, obviously there is going to be some detritus in the fan bases interest. Sure that is human nature. Gee, where could we see another example of that? Hmm....how about amongst Steeler fans from 1933 to 1973. A total losing team whose fan based showed little interest. Then all of a sudden they started winning and gawwwllly gee, all of a sudden their fan base is so good! Imagine that.
Again, the simple point is that we in Cleveland hahave NOT had the titles that Pittsburgh or some other towns have had, yet have maintained equal if not superior support for our teams.
(Why Steeler fans got on a rant about themselves, I don't know. This thread was directed at Cleveland fans for Cleveland fans...and yes, it was a propping up of ourselves for our support of our teams. I don't know why Steeler fan had to get so defensive about it. Do they have a reason to be so defensive? Do they have a reason to be so insecure?
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I'm not jealous of a franchise that has had to cheat to win every single one if its championships.
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sometimes i wonder if these teams here are taking advantage of the faithful fan base.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
The Green Eyed Mosnter Lives in CLEVELAND Howie... Totally Hilarious that you would think we (STeeler Fans) have any Longing to be like Cleveland. And I dont Lurk , and am very positive here. You dont see me ripping you guys up. I respect Cleveland and its History. Most on this site KNOW i aint not a Troll and ignoramus. I will defend our Fan base however. And You generalize and exaggerate so much about Pittsburghs fans, its sad. And I Know Tons of Browns fans (Like 50) and a Good half of them Follow 2 teams .... So while they remain "Fans" They also , have another team they "Like". Maybe its from the No Team days , I dont know. But dont blow the Holier than Thou BS. The Teams Fans in General are cut of the Same Cloth. Fans are Fans and WINNING will increase you Fans. Thats life... you will see . DAMN you HAVE Seen look at the Tribe !!! They had NO Fans then The Jake and Albert Bell Thome and Co. Happend and BOOM !!! Cleveland is suddenly a baseball town. Fans are Fans !!FoS08, I can honestly say that i do not think we are jealous of you stoolers. Seriously.
Jealousy is not an emotion I have ever encountered from a Browns fan with regard to Pittsburgh. Plenty other emotions for sure but not Jealousy. No one can take your rings away and yes the team has outplayed us in recent history but that does not make us jealous, in the slightest. We just want to beat you. That's all that drives us.
BUT I do think that Pittsburgh knows that our fanbase is better than theirs, you might not admit it but you know deep down inside it's true. Go one, ask yourself honestly now, does the Browns have a more dedicated fanbase than the Stoolers? If you don't go into self denial you will will come up with a yes, the browns are more dedicated to their team than us. The reason being, the whole of the US knows it so don't fight it. Damn, I'm from England and have known it for over 20 years, when it comes to the best fans in the league, it's all about Cleveland.
I also reckon that there is a little bit of you that wants to be a Cleveland fan too, isn't there? be honest with yourself. You can come out on this board, no one will laugh.
Good luck with your impending introspection.
Howie.
FoS08, I can honestly say that i do not think we are jealous of you stoolers. Seriously.
Jealousy is not an emotion I have ever encountered from a Browns fan with regard to Pittsburgh. Plenty other emotions for sure but not Jealousy. No one can take your rings away and yes the team has outplayed us in recent history but that does not make us jealous, in the slightest. We just want to beat you. That's all that drives us.
BUT I do think that Pittsburgh knows that our fanbase is better than theirs, you might not admit it but you know deep down inside it's true. Go one, ask yourself honestly now, does the Browns have a more dedicated fanbase than the Stoolers? If you don't go into self denial you will will come up with a yes, the browns are more dedicated to their team than us. The reason being, the whole of the US knows it so don't fight it. Damn, I'm from England and have known it for over 20 years, when it comes to the best fans in the league, it's all about Cleveland.
I also reckon that there is a little bit of you that wants to be a Cleveland fan too, isn't there? be honest with yourself. You can come out on this board, no one will laugh.
Good luck with your impending introspection.
Howie.
Ha Ha Ha... Same Basic People. Same basic region. We DONT want to be you guys Good Lord have mercy . Now I have lots of friends who are Browns fans Good Guys and I respect their loyalty . But in NO way shape or form do I agree that Cleveland Fans are "Better" Than Steeler fans. By the way You have NEVER encountered Jealousy in a Browns fan ?? Regarding the Steelers ...ha ha ...come on Man. Your in Deep Denial. The Jealousy is Not to BE A Steeler fan .....NO WAY. But that the Browns had the Success that the Steelers have had ...?? Oh yeah ... that is frequently encountered and evident by the bitterness of all these anti-Steeler posts. Deny that all you want , but the evidence shows the contrary of what you say. And You cant even type STEELERS . Got to use all the derogatory Names .... You see I say CLEVELAND and BROWNS... I don't disrespect your city or Team out of Petty feelings or Hatred. Your actions Speak LOUD and Clear Bro !!
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
The Green Eyed Mosnter Lives in CLEVELAND Howie... Totally Hilarious that you would think we (STeeler Fans) have any Longing to be like Cleveland. And I dont Lurk , and am very positive here. You dont see me ripping you guys up. I respect Cleveland and its History. Most on this site KNOW i aint not a Troll and ignoramus. I will defend our Fan base however. And You generalize and exaggerate so much about Pittsburghs fans, its sad. And I Know Tons of Browns fans (Like 50) and a Good half of them Follow 2 teams .... So while they remain "Fans" They also , have another team they "Like". Maybe its from the No Team days , I dont know. But dont blow the Holier than Thou BS. The Teams Fans in General are cut of the Same Cloth. Fans are Fans and WINNING will increase you Fans. Thats life... you will see . DAMN you HAVE Seen look at the Tribe !!! They had NO Fans then The Jake and Albert Bell Thome and Co. Happend and BOOM !!! Cleveland is suddenly a baseball town. Fans are Fans !!Cleveland was always a sleeping giant as a baseball market. If you go 40 years without winning anything...not even a single playoff berth, obviously there is going to be some detritus in the fan bases interest. Sure that is human nature. Gee, where could we see another example of that? Hmm....how about amongst Steeler fans from 1933 to 1973. A total losing team whose fan based showed little interest. Then all of a sudden they started winning and gawwwllly gee, all of a sudden their fan base is so good! Imagine that.
Again, the simple point is that we in Cleveland hahave NOT had the titles that Pittsburgh or some other towns have had, yet have maintained equal if not superior support for our teams.
(Why Steeler fans got on a rant about themselves, I don't know. This thread was directed at Cleveland fans for Cleveland fans...and yes, it was a propping up of ourselves for our support of our teams. I don't know why Steeler fan had to get so defensive about it. Do they have a reason to be so defensive? Do they have a reason to be so insecure?
Cleveland was always a sleeping giant as a baseball market. If you go 40 years without winning anything...not even a single playoff berth, obviously there is going to be some detritus in the fan bases interest. Sure that is human nature. Gee, where could we see another example of that? Hmm....how about amongst Steeler fans from 1933 to 1973. A total losing team whose fan based showed little interest. Then all of a sudden they started winning and gawwwllly gee, all of a sudden their fan base is so good! Imagine that.
Again, the simple point is that we in Cleveland hahave NOT had the titles that Pittsburgh or some other towns have had, yet have maintained equal if not superior support for our teams.
(Why Steeler fans got on a rant about themselves, I don't know. This thread was directed at Cleveland fans for Cleveland fans...and yes, it was a propping up of ourselves for our support of our teams. I don't know why Steeler fan had to get so defensive about it. Do they have a reason to be so defensive? Do they have a reason to be so insecure?
A Sleeping Giant ?? Its called WINNING !!!! Come on man... You disrespect US because WINNING brings us "Bandwagon" Fans. And the Indians are "Sleeping Giants as Baseball fans. its WINNING ! That is what I said to begin with FANS are FANS !! You brought this S*** Up Gip.... Come on man your talking out Both sides of you neck !!!!
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In another thread it was noted by Zombo that Cleveland fans have gone far and away longer than any other fans in North America in terms of actual "team seasons" without enjoying a championship. The Indians, Cavs, and Browns have gone 126 team seasons since the Browns title in 1964. That does not include the Crusaders and Barons of the NHL that played here. Add those seasons to the total.
Compare the fact that the city of Peetown, Pennsylvania has in the same period won a total of 12 Championships: 6 by the Steelers, 3 by the Penquins, 2 by the Pirates, and one by the Pipers of the ABA.
Again note however that the fans of Cleveland, despite not winning support our area teams in equal if not more fervor than the Peetown black and yellowbellies do. Every football game is sold out. Basketball is sold out. The Indians held the longest game sellout streak in major league history until it was recently surpassed by the Red Sox with their band box stadium.
Despite going longer than any other fan base in North America, Cleveland fans stand by their teams.
Could you imagine if the same thing were to happen in Pittsburgh? I have been to some ghost towns out west. That is what that place would be. Recall that in the early to mid 80s, just after the Steelers had come off 4 titles they ran into a bad stretch of success on the field...maybe going all of .500. They were only getting like 30,000 or 40,000 people coming to their games...after 4 Super Bowl wins! During the 70s when the Browns were doing sucko we were still putting 70,000/80,000 people in the stands. And the same has been true the last 10 years. Could you imagine the empty seats in Steeler Stadium if that team had about 10 consecutive bad seasons? You would find moss growing on their bleachers.
Moral of the story: Cleveland fan, in addition to being the longest suffering in North America, may very well be the best fans in North America.
In another thread it was noted by Zombo that Cleveland fans have gone far and away longer than any other fans in North America in terms of actual "team seasons" without enjoying a championship. The Indians, Cavs, and Browns have gone 126 team seasons since the Browns title in 1964. That does not include the Crusaders and Barons of the NHL that played here. Add those seasons to the total.
Compare the fact that the city of Peetown, Pennsylvania has in the same period won a total of 12 Championships: 6 by the Steelers, 3 by the Penquins, 2 by the Pirates, and one by the Pipers of the ABA.
Again note however that the fans of Cleveland, despite not winning support our area teams in equal if not more fervor than the Peetown black and yellowbellies do. Every football game is sold out. Basketball is sold out. The Indians held the longest game sellout streak in major league history until it was recently surpassed by the Red Sox with their band box stadium.
Despite going longer than any other fan base in North America, Cleveland fans stand by their teams.
Could you imagine if the same thing were to happen in Pittsburgh? I have been to some ghost towns out west. That is what that place would be. Recall that in the early to mid 80s, just after the Steelers had come off 4 titles they ran into a bad stretch of success on the field...maybe going all of .500. They were only getting like 30,000 or 40,000 people coming to their games...after 4 Super Bowl wins! During the 70s when the Browns were doing sucko we were still putting 70,000/80,000 people in the stands. And the same has been true the last 10 years. Could you imagine the empty seats in Steeler Stadium if that team had about 10 consecutive bad seasons? You would find moss growing on their bleachers.
Moral of the story: Cleveland fan, in addition to being the longest suffering in North America, may very well be the best fans in North America.
OK Gipper YOUR words Brother.....
Compare the fact that the city of Peetown, Pennsylvania has in the same period won a total of 12 Championships: 6 by the Steelers, 3 by the Penquins, 2 by the Pirates, and one by the Pipers of the ABA.
ould you imagine if the same thing were to happen in Pittsburgh? I have been to some ghost towns out west. That is what that place would be. Recall that in the early to mid 80s, just after the Steelers had come off 4 titles they ran into a bad stretch of success on the field...maybe going all of .500. They were only getting like 30,000 or 40,000 people coming to their games...after 4 Super Bowl wins! During the 70s when the Browns were doing sucko we were still putting 70,000/80,000 people in the stands. And the same has been true the last 10 years. Could you imagine the empty seats in Steeler Stadium if that team had about 10 consecutive bad seasons? You would find moss growing on their bleachers.
YOUR WORDS.....
And You say you started this Post For and about CLEVELAND fans ????? Dude You call us out in it . How the freak are WE not supposed to be Offended. Obviously Your a Liar ...... Or a Bit Dense ...which is it ??
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The browns have more Pro Football Championships than the Steelers do.
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The browns have more Pro Football Championships than the Steelers do.
The browns have more Pro Football Championships than the Steelers do.
I respect the Browns for Their History...and Their Fans of Long suffering Loyalty. It is remarkable as is their Early History. It does not however , Excuse the Chunk of fans they have that act like a bunch of Puzzzies...And whine cry moan and Bitch like Little Girls over the Bully on the Block. Man up and Talk about The Browns" . Drop the obsession with Steel-town and Quit Fabricating all this BS about Pittsburgh . Your True Hard Core Fan Base has to be ashamed of the "Puzzie Faction" in Cleveland Brown- Nation !! Its Embarassing...
Climbing the Stairway...To SEVEN !! -
The browns have more Pro Football Championships than the Steelers do.
I respect the Browns for Their History...and Their Fans of Long suffering Loyalty. It is remarkable as is their Early History. It does not however , Excuse the Chunk of fans they have that act like a bunch of Puzzzies...And whine cry moan and Bitch like Little Girls over the Bully on the Block. Man up and Talk about The Browns" . Drop the obsession with Steel-town and Quit Fabricating all this BS about Pittsburgh . Your True Hard Core Fan Base has to be ashamed of the "Puzzie Faction" in Cleveland Brown- Nation !! Its Embarassing...
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
I respect the Browns for Their History...and Their Fans of Long suffering Loyalty. It is remarkable as is their Early History. It does not however , Excuse the Chunk of fans they have that act like a bunch of Puzzzies...And whine cry moan and Bitch like Little Girls over the Bully on the Block. Man up and Talk about The Browns" . Drop the obsession with Steel-town and Quit Fabricating all this BS about Pittsburgh . Your True Hard Core Fan Base has to be ashamed of the "Puzzie Faction" in Cleveland Brown- Nation !! Its Embarassing...Roid rage?
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Cleveland was always a sleeping giant as a baseball market. If you go 40 years without winning anything...not even a single playoff berth, obviously there is going to be some detritus in the fan bases interest. Sure that is human nature. Gee, where could we see another example of that? Hmm....how about amongst Steeler fans from 1933 to 1973. A total losing team whose fan based showed little interest. Then all of a sudden they started winning and gawwwllly gee, all of a sudden their fan base is so good! Imagine that.
Again, the simple point is that we in Cleveland hahave NOT had the titles that Pittsburgh or some other towns have had, yet have maintained equal if not superior support for our teams.
(Why Steeler fans got on a rant about themselves, I don't know. This thread was directed at Cleveland fans for Cleveland fans...and yes, it was a propping up of ourselves for our support of our teams. I don't know why Steeler fan had to get so defensive about it. Do they have a reason to be so defensive? Do they have a reason to be so insecure?
A Sleeping Giant ?? Its called WINNING !!!! Come on man... You disrespect US because WINNING brings us "Bandwagon" Fans. And the Indians are "Sleeping Giants as Baseball fans. its WINNING ! That is what I said to begin with FANS are FANS !! You brought this S*** Up Gip.... Come on man your talking out Both sides of you neck !!!!
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
A Sleeping Giant ?? Its called WINNING !!!! Come on man... You disrespect US because WINNING brings us "Bandwagon" Fans. And the Indians are "Sleeping Giants as Baseball fans. its WINNING ! That is what I said to begin with FANS are FANS !! You brought this S*** Up Gip.... Come on man your talking out Both sides of you neck !!!!If you wish to claim that many fans of the Indians were bandwagon jumpers when they started doing well, I am certainly not going to argue with me. But I think you all miss the simple equation of my argument:
Pittsburgh: many titles (12 since 1964) = good, supportive fans
Cleveland: no titles since 1964 = equally good, supportive fans
Now, in the words of a sage philosopher: Just what is it about that that you don't understand?
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In another thread it was noted by Zombo that Cleveland fans have gone far and away longer than any other fans in North America in terms of actual "team seasons" without enjoying a championship. The Indians, Cavs, and Browns have gone 126 team seasons since the Browns title in 1964. That does not include the Crusaders and Barons of the NHL that played here. Add those seasons to the total.
Compare the fact that the city of Peetown, Pennsylvania has in the same period won a total of 12 Championships: 6 by the Steelers, 3 by the Penquins, 2 by the Pirates, and one by the Pipers of the ABA.
Again note however that the fans of Cleveland, despite not winning support our area teams in equal if not more fervor than the Peetown black and yellowbellies do. Every football game is sold out. Basketball is sold out. The Indians held the longest game sellout streak in major league history until it was recently surpassed by the Red Sox with their band box stadium.
Despite going longer than any other fan base in North America, Cleveland fans stand by their teams.
Could you imagine if the same thing were to happen in Pittsburgh? I have been to some ghost towns out west. That is what that place would be. Recall that in the early to mid 80s, just after the Steelers had come off 4 titles they ran into a bad stretch of success on the field...maybe going all of .500. They were only getting like 30,000 or 40,000 people coming to their games...after 4 Super Bowl wins! During the 70s when the Browns were doing sucko we were still putting 70,000/80,000 people in the stands. And the same has been true the last 10 years. Could you imagine the empty seats in Steeler Stadium if that team had about 10 consecutive bad seasons? You would find moss growing on their bleachers.
Moral of the story: Cleveland fan, in addition to being the longest suffering in North America, may very well be the best fans in North America.
OK Gipper YOUR words Brother.....
Compare the fact that the city of Peetown, Pennsylvania has in the same period won a total of 12 Championships: 6 by the Steelers, 3 by the Penquins, 2 by the Pirates, and one by the Pipers of the ABA.
ould you imagine if the same thing were to happen in Pittsburgh? I have been to some ghost towns out west. That is what that place would be. Recall that in the early to mid 80s, just after the Steelers had come off 4 titles they ran into a bad stretch of success on the field...maybe going all of .500. They were only getting like 30,000 or 40,000 people coming to their games...after 4 Super Bowl wins! During the 70s when the Browns were doing sucko we were still putting 70,000/80,000 people in the stands. And the same has been true the last 10 years. Could you imagine the empty seats in Steeler Stadium if that team had about 10 consecutive bad seasons? You would find moss growing on their bleachers.
YOUR WORDS.....
And You say you started this Post For and about CLEVELAND fans ????? Dude You call us out in it . How the freak are WE not supposed to be Offended. Obviously Your a Liar ...... Or a Bit Dense ...which is it ??
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
OK Gipper YOUR words Brother.....Compare the fact that the city of Peetown, Pennsylvania has in the same period won a total of 12 Championships: 6 by the Steelers, 3 by the Penquins, 2 by the Pirates, and one by the Pipers of the ABA.
ould you imagine if the same thing were to happen in Pittsburgh? I have been to some ghost towns out west. That is what that place would be. Recall that in the early to mid 80s, just after the Steelers had come off 4 titles they ran into a bad stretch of success on the field...maybe going all of .500. They were only getting like 30,000 or 40,000 people coming to their games...after 4 Super Bowl wins! During the 70s when the Browns were doing sucko we were still putting 70,000/80,000 people in the stands. And the same has been true the last 10 years. Could you imagine the empty seats in Steeler Stadium if that team had about 10 consecutive bad seasons? You would find moss growing on their bleachers.
YOUR WORDS.....
And You say you started this Post For and about CLEVELAND fans ????? Dude You call us out in it . How the freak are WE not supposed to be Offended. Obviously Your a Liar ...... Or a Bit Dense ...which is it ??
What I am is a master of manipulation. I have manipulated you into showing your true nature, i.e. that even with the recent titles won by teams in Pittsburgh, and the many titles won in the last number of years, you still only have an identity by virtue of your comparison to Cleveland and its fans. Its called reeling in the catch. In the words of that shark from Finding Nemo..."We're having fish tonight!" Perhaps you should change your screen name to Hook, Line, and Sinker
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