LeBron or Art
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You guys are omitting the INITIAL time Fartie Artie showed he was a scumbag.....January 7, 1963 when he fired Paul Brown.
Mike
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You asking if we would choose?
There is no doubt, Modell is THE major scumbag in Cleveland history.
LeBron did not take the team with him. Just himself.
And FYI, I don't think it will be long at all before the Cavs are competitive. They MAY even make the playoffs this year.
Sure, no one ever may have been as good as LeBron. But they have Love, TT
Here is their current roster:
Cleveland Cavaliers Roster
Not saying this is a great roster, but in the East it could be competitive. You will have Tristan and Love at the 4-5 (despite what it says here about both being centers).
Clarkson/Hill/Sexton could be a halfway decent PG combo initially. I think Sexton could end up being as good or better than Kyrie. Smith, Korver, Hood at Shooting Guard....can suffice for now. Need for an upgrade? Certainly, but they are veteran hands....who have played in a lot of postseasons. Small Forward, the position that LeBron vacates is the big hole. Osman is the ONLY one on the roster. I think some kind of acquisition may have to be made.
.....But, how about this: does another local product, from Revere HS, have the ability to switch and to succeed at the SF spot? Or is strictly a PF. I mean Larry Nance Jr. He is the same height as LeBron....but not as heavy.
TEAM ROSTER NO. NAME POS AGE HT WT COLLEGE 2017-2018 SALARY 8 Jordan Clarkson PG 26 6-5 194 Missouri $12,500,000 3 George Hill PG 32 6-3 188 IUPUI $19,000,000 1 Rodney Hood SG 25 6-8 206 Duke 26 Kyle Korver SG 37 6-7 212 Creighton $7,560,000 0 Kevin Love C 29 6-10 251 UCLA $24,119,025 22 Larry Nance Jr. PF 25 6-9 230 Wyoming $2,272,391 16 Cedi Osman SF 23 6-8 215 $2,775,000 21 Kendrick Perkins C 33 6-10 270 $2,445,085 -- Collin Sexton PG 19 6-2 183 Alabama 5 JR Smith SG 32 6-6 225 $14,720,000 13 Tristan Thompson C 27 6-9 238 Texas $17,469,565 15 Okaro White PF 25 6-8 215 Florida State $1,544,951 41 Ante Zizic PF 21 6-11 250 $1,952,760
Stick to football......your absolutely Retarded when it comes to basketball
Stick to football......your absolutely Retarded when it comes to basketball
You are Retarded when it comes to life so stick to looking at your navel lint
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You guys are omitting the INITIAL time Fartie Artie showed he was a scumbag.....January 7, 1963 when he fired Paul Brown.
Mike
You guys are omitting the INITIAL time Fartie Artie showed he was a scumbag.....January 7, 1963 when he fired Paul Brown.
Mike
The Browns don't win the '64 Championship with Paul Brown as head coach.
The Browns players were pretty adamant about that.
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You guys are omitting the INITIAL time Fartie Artie showed he was a scumbag.....January 7, 1963 when he fired Paul Brown.
Mike
The Browns don't win the '64 Championship with Paul Brown as head coach.
The Browns players were pretty adamant about that.
The Browns don't win the '64 Championship with Paul Brown as head coach.
The Browns players were pretty adamant about that.
But they DID win it with......
Players mostly taken & developed by Paul Brown & a HC (Blanton Collier) who was a Paul Brown Assistant Coach.
Whether or not Brown should have been fired is still open for debate, but my answer stands...That's when I started despising Art Modell.
Mike
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You guys are omitting the INITIAL time Fartie Artie showed he was a scumbag.....January 7, 1963 when he fired Paul Brown.
Mike
The Browns don't win the '64 Championship with Paul Brown as head coach.
The Browns players were pretty adamant about that.
The Browns don't win the '64 Championship with Paul Brown as head coach.
The Browns players were pretty adamant about that.
Paul Brown the founder of modern professional football coaching.......and an arrogant dickhead.
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Now the Artful Dodger vs LeBron, no contest LeBron tried hard for 11 years and broke that seemingly 100 year drought for Cleveland winning any major sports title basically by himself.
Art was a low life hustler.
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LeBron knew he was going to LA many moons ago and basically kept the Cavs in limbo by not informing them of such keeping them hostage with no options to improve the roster until he left. This should be otherwise known as the proverbial bitch slap to Mr. Gilbert's face. But Art still gets my vote and it's not even close.
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The Browns don't win the '64 Championship with Paul Brown as head coach.
The Browns players were pretty adamant about that.
But they DID win it with......
Players mostly taken & developed by Paul Brown & a HC (Blanton Collier) who was a Paul Brown Assistant Coach.
Whether or not Brown should have been fired is still open for debate, but my answer stands...That's when I started despising Art Modell.
Mike
But they DID win it with......
Players mostly taken & developed by Paul Brown & a HC (Blanton Collier) who was a Paul Brown Assistant Coach.
Whether or not Brown should have been fired is still open for debate, but my answer stands...That's when I started despising Art Modell.
Mike
Paul Brown was arguably the most important head coach in NFL history. Without a doubt, he had an ENORMOUS fingerprint on the '64 Browns team.
But the Browns had hit the wall under Brown. They needed new blood.
Art Modell eventually turned the Browns into a mediocre franchise. The Browns record, post Blanton Collier to 1995 was basically .500... but he made the right move moving on from Brown.
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LeBron knew he was going to LA many moons ago and basically kept the Cavs in limbo by not informing them of such keeping them hostage with no options to improve the roster until he left. This should be otherwise known as the proverbial bitch slap to Mr. Gilbert's face. But Art still gets my vote and it's not even close.
LeBron knew he was going to LA many moons ago and basically kept the Cavs in limbo by not informing them of such keeping them hostage with no options to improve the roster until he left. This should be otherwise known as the proverbial bitch slap to Mr. Gilbert's face. But Art still gets my vote and it's not even close.
Amen brother to everything you wrote.
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Paul Brown? WTF does he have to do with this schidt?
Paul Browns would have been fired by everyone here. Art, the owner gets off of a plan, and is dumbfounded by reporters asking him his reasoning for trading Bobby Mitchel to get after Ernie Davis. That kind of insubordination gets you fired no matter who you are. The reality is, people hate Modell so no matter WTF PB did, people here will defend it. There is no objectivity here.
Jim Brown.................. not Art Modell.................. JIM BROWN was responsible for getting Paul Brown fired. Jim did not want Ernie Davis in the backfield. From that moment on, JB was against PB. PB did it to himself. Fukc Paul Brown, he spent more time as a Bengal than he did a Brown. Fukc him and Fukc his Bengals.................
INCIDENTALLY........................................................ If it wasn't for Art Modell............. PB would not have had the money or position to be awarded the Bengals. THAT WAS ALL MODELL.
Modell was a great man. He was a great owner and he loved the Browns. The city of Cleveland lost their fukcing team, that isn't on Modell. Cleveland is the land of the dumbest fukctards on Earth.
What does Modell have in common with LeBron? Without them, there is no winning in Cleveland.
Art Modell was a great man.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Paul Brown? WTF does he have to do with this schidt?
Paul Browns would have been fired by everyone here. Art, the owner gets off of a plan, and is dumbfounded by reporters asking him his reasoning for trading Bobby Mitchel to get after Ernie Davis. That kind of insubordination gets you fired no matter who you are. The reality is, people hate Modell so no matter WTF PB did, people here will defend it. There is no objectivity here.
Jim Brown.................. not Art Modell.................. JIM BROWN was responsible for getting Paul Brown fired. Jim did not want Ernie Davis in the backfield. From that moment on, JB was against PB. PB did it to himself. Fukc Paul Brown, he spent more time as a Bengal than he did a Brown. Fukc him and Fukc his Bengals.................
INCIDENTALLY........................................................ If it wasn't for Art Modell............. PB would not have had the money or position to be awarded the Bengals. THAT WAS ALL MODELL.
Modell was a great man. He was a great owner and he loved the Browns. The city of Cleveland lost their fukcing team, that isn't on Modell. Cleveland is the land of the dumbest fukctards on Earth.
What does Modell have in common with LeBron? Without them, there is no winning in Cleveland.
Art Modell was a great man.
The city of Cleveland lost their fukcing team, that isn't on Modell.
This is the underlying truth.
The Browns had the worst friggin' stadium. The league made the Browns use the visitors locker room because it was too small for an NFL team to have to use. He may not always have been the greatest business man. But the city gave Elvis, the Cav's and the Tribe a new stadium....none for him. So he left (which is, of course, unforgivable). The city was then told by the league, "If you wanna team, then build a new stadium". So they DID! Isn't the stadium great?! No?!
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Paul Brown? WTF does he have to do with this schidt?
Paul Browns would have been fired by everyone here. Art, the owner gets off of a plan, and is dumbfounded by reporters asking him his reasoning for trading Bobby Mitchel to get after Ernie Davis. That kind of insubordination gets you fired no matter who you are. The reality is, people hate Modell so no matter WTF PB did, people here will defend it. There is no objectivity here.
Jim Brown.................. not Art Modell.................. JIM BROWN was responsible for getting Paul Brown fired. Jim did not want Ernie Davis in the backfield. From that moment on, JB was against PB. PB did it to himself. Fukc Paul Brown, he spent more time as a Bengal than he did a Brown. Fukc him and Fukc his Bengals.................
INCIDENTALLY........................................................ If it wasn't for Art Modell............. PB would not have had the money or position to be awarded the Bengals. THAT WAS ALL MODELL.
Modell was a great man. He was a great owner and he loved the Browns. The city of Cleveland lost their fukcing team, that isn't on Modell. Cleveland is the land of the dumbest fukctards on Earth.
What does Modell have in common with LeBron? Without them, there is no winning in Cleveland.
Art Modell was a great man.
Paul Brown? WTF does he have to do with this schidt?
Paul Browns would have been fired by everyone here. Art, the owner gets off of a plan, and is dumbfounded by reporters asking him his reasoning for trading Bobby Mitchel to get after Ernie Davis. That kind of insubordination gets you fired no matter who you are. The reality is, people hate Modell so no matter WTF PB did, people here will defend it. There is no objectivity here.
Jim Brown.................. not Art Modell.................. JIM BROWN was responsible for getting Paul Brown fired. Jim did not want Ernie Davis in the backfield. From that moment on, JB was against PB. PB did it to himself. Fukc Paul Brown, he spent more time as a Bengal than he did a Brown. Fukc him and Fukc his Bengals.................
INCIDENTALLY........................................................ If it wasn't for Art Modell............. PB would not have had the money or position to be awarded the Bengals. THAT WAS ALL MODELL.
Modell was a great man. He was a great owner and he loved the Browns. The city of Cleveland lost their fukcing team, that isn't on Modell. Cleveland is the land of the dumbest fukctards on Earth.
What does Modell have in common with LeBron? Without them, there is no winning in Cleveland.
Art Modell was a great man.
The only words that can be taken from this post are that there are some of the dumbest Shmuck Tarde's on earth posting on this board Gooley among the prime exhibitThe only words that can be taken from this post are that there are some of the dumbest Shmuck Tarde's on earth posting on this board Gooley among the prime exhibit
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The city of Cleveland lost their fukcing team, that isn't on Modell.
This is the underlying truth.
The Browns had the worst friggin' stadium. The league made the Browns use the visitors locker room because it was too small for an NFL team to have to use. He may not always have been the greatest business man. But the city gave Elvis, the Cav's and the Tribe a new stadium....none for him. So he left (which is, of course, unforgivable). The city was then told by the league, "If you wanna team, then build a new stadium". So they DID! Isn't the stadium great?! No?!
This is the underlying truth.
The Browns had the worst friggin' stadium. The league made the Browns use the visitors locker room because it was too small for an NFL team to have to use. He may not always have been the greatest business man. But the city gave Elvis, the Cav's and the Tribe a new stadium....none for him. So he left (which is, of course, unforgivable). The city was then told by the league, "If you wanna team, then build a new stadium". So they DID! Isn't the stadium great?! No?!
The plans were a new stadium was already in place. model left because he wanted the Shmucking 75 million Shmucking dollars he was being bribed to go to Shmucking Baltimore plain simple and if you don't understand that you're stupid
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Cavs are going to really suck this coming year. Bank it.
Cavs are going to really suck this coming year. Bank it.
Not as badly as you will suck as a poster on this board, however
Gip- the Cavs are almost going to be forced to tank. Reason? Take it to the bank they want to keep their protected 2019 draft pick. Which they only get to keep if they're in the bottom 10, otherwise it goes to Atlanta as part of the Kyle Korver deal.
They'll unload salary too, so don't be surprised if Love gets traded.
Modell still tops LeBron though. It was long reported this time around the odds of him staying in Cleveland were remote. He's still good enough to get the Lakers to the playoffs, but his quest to play in another final anytime soon is out the window. No way in hell can the Lakers as currently constituted beat the Warriors, and probably not Houston or OKC either. Plus James will turn 34 the end of 2018, and you have to wonder how many years of top level performance he has left. Wonder if he'll stick around long enough to take a shot at Kareem's points record. He's around 7,200 behind, and he'll need at least 4 years at his current production to catch him.
Another thing going to the Lakers- unless he wins a Championship or two, he'll always be in the shadow of Magic and Kobe.
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Larry like I said going to LA basically was LeBron's retirement announcement. Or shall we say semi retirement. He will continue to play but basketball will be only his sideline occupation to his Hollywood mogul business
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This is the underlying truth.
The Browns had the worst friggin' stadium. The league made the Browns use the visitors locker room because it was too small for an NFL team to have to use. He may not always have been the greatest business man. But the city gave Elvis, the Cav's and the Tribe a new stadium....none for him. So he left (which is, of course, unforgivable). The city was then told by the league, "If you wanna team, then build a new stadium". So they DID! Isn't the stadium great?! No?!
The plans were a new stadium was already in place. model left because he wanted the Shmucking 75 million Shmucking dollars he was being bribed to go to Shmucking Baltimore plain simple and if you don't understand that you're stupid
The plans were a new stadium was already in place. model left because he wanted the Shmucking 75 million Shmucking dollars he was being bribed to go to Shmucking Baltimore plain simple and if you don't understand that you're stupid
And he was schmucking broke. and even with the $75 million bribe, (that Cleveland couldn't offer him to stay) he was forced to sell out because he couldn't even make interest payment on all the loans he had taken out.
His honorable path would have been to sell out to Al Lerner, but nope, he wanted to keep being a Big Shot owner, and pass the team down to his kid. In the end, Art got exactly what he deserved.
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The plans were a new stadium was already in place. model left because he wanted the Shmucking 75 million Shmucking dollars he was being bribed to go to Shmucking Baltimore plain simple and if you don't understand that you're stupid
And he was schmucking broke. and even with the $75 million bribe, (that Cleveland couldn't offer him to stay) he was forced to sell out because he couldn't even make interest payment on all the loans he had taken out.
His honorable path would have been to sell out to Al Lerner, but nope, he wanted to keep being a Big Shot owner, and pass the team down to his kid. In the end, Art got exactly what he deserved.
And he was schmucking broke. and even with the $75 million bribe, (that Cleveland couldn't offer him to stay) he was forced to sell out because he couldn't even make interest payment on all the loans he had taken out.
His honorable path would have been to sell out to Al Lerner, but nope, he wanted to keep being a Big Shot owner, and pass the team down to his kid. In the end, Art got exactly what he deserved.
And without looking anything else up he paid about $4 million for the BROWNS.
This was fundamentally about FEDERAL ESTATE TAXES....
QUESTION : how could/would the Artful Tax Dodger pass the BROWNS down to his family now being worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
ANSWER: A big sweetheart cash deal worth millions.
How sad for the people of Cleveland, Ohio.
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The plans were a new stadium was already in place. model left because he wanted the Shmucking 75 million Shmucking dollars he was being bribed to go to Shmucking Baltimore plain simple and if you don't understand that you're stupid
And he was schmucking broke. and even with the $75 million bribe, (that Cleveland couldn't offer him to stay) he was forced to sell out because he couldn't even make interest payment on all the loans he had taken out.
His honorable path would have been to sell out to Al Lerner, but nope, he wanted to keep being a Big Shot owner, and pass the team down to his kid. In the end, Art got exactly what he deserved.
And he was schmucking broke. and even with the $75 million bribe, (that Cleveland couldn't offer him to stay) he was forced to sell out because he couldn't even make interest payment on all the loans he had taken out.
His honorable path would have been to sell out to Al Lerner, but nope, he wanted to keep being a Big Shot owner, and pass the team down to his kid. In the end, Art got exactly what he deserved.
And now both are dead.
Did the Modell family retain its like 1% interest in the Ravens?
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The city of Cleveland lost their fukcing team, that isn't on Modell.
This is the underlying truth.
The Browns had the worst friggin' stadium. The league made the Browns use the visitors locker room because it was too small for an NFL team to have to use. He may not always have been the greatest business man. But the city gave Elvis, the Cav's and the Tribe a new stadium....none for him. So he left (which is, of course, unforgivable). The city was then told by the league, "If you wanna team, then build a new stadium". So they DID! Isn't the stadium great?! No?!
But the city gave Elvis, the Cav's and the Tribe a new stadium....none for him. So he left (which is, of course, unforgivable). The city was then told by the league, "If you wanna team, then build a new stadium". So they DID! Isn't the stadium great?! No?!
This isn't true, you may want to do some research into that statement.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
And he was schmucking broke. and even with the $75 million bribe, (that Cleveland couldn't offer him to stay) he was forced to sell out because he couldn't even make interest payment on all the loans he had taken out.
His honorable path would have been to sell out to Al Lerner, but nope, he wanted to keep being a Big Shot owner, and pass the team down to his kid. In the end, Art got exactly what he deserved.
And now both are dead.
Did the Modell family retain its like 1% interest in the Ravens?
And now both are dead.
Did the Modell family retain its like 1% interest in the Ravens?
Too many double Coronas for David. AFAIK, yes the Model family still retains a token percentage of the Ravens.
Regarding "Great Man" Art, you knew that it was just a matter of time before someone would have the chutzpah to piss on his grave and post it to YouTube. I'll bet it's been many more times without being publicized. Said when he died the family should have had him cremated.
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