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  • The U.S. has the leverage in trade wars.

  • So, assuming that hatred of trump is not your only motive, do those of you who are complaining so loudly think we would be better off just to turn a blind eye to China rampant violation of our intellectual property laws? Just allow them to do it so as to not anger them? That's the plan? Also remember that tariffs on our Goods will make them more expensive for Chinese people to purchase same as it works here.

    WSS

  • The U.S. has the leverage in trade wars.

    @canton-dawg said:

    The U.S. has the leverage in trade wars.

    and that leverage was lost when trump went to war with all our partners. why will anyone ofvthem capitulate now that they know all our industries will be facing pressure? soy for example. in a 1 to 1 war with china it may have been possible to alleviate some of those rariffs by finding other buyers....soy farmers may still have faced profit reduction but it would have been "something"

    but why now would any of the other trading blocks we've pissed off help undermine chinas soy tariffs? they wont. and china wont undermine any tariffs imposed against us from any other xountry.

  • We will easily win this one. Canada and Mexico will renegotiate or face some hard  hard times.

  • I think it's stupid for other countries, who benefit by our trade deficit with them,

    to go into a trade war. They desperately want to keep their trade surplus with us that much?

    nah. Time to hard bargain and stop being their money tree.

  • @canton-dawg said:

    The U.S. has the leverage in trade wars.

    and that leverage was lost when trump went to war with all our partners. why will anyone ofvthem capitulate now that they know all our industries will be facing pressure? soy for example. in a 1 to 1 war with china it may have been possible to alleviate some of those rariffs by finding other buyers....soy farmers may still have faced profit reduction but it would have been "something"

    but why now would any of the other trading blocks we've pissed off help undermine chinas soy tariffs? they wont. and china wont undermine any tariffs imposed against us from any other xountry.

    @clevfan4life said:

    and that leverage was lost when trump went to war with all our partners. why will anyone ofvthem capitulate now that they know all our industries will be facing pressure? soy for example. in a 1 to 1 war with china it may have been possible to alleviate some of those rariffs by finding other buyers....soy farmers may still have faced profit reduction but it would have been "something"

    but why now would any of the other trading blocks we've pissed off help undermine chinas soy tariffs? they wont. and china wont undermine any tariffs imposed against us from any other xountry.

    What were you saying?

    Germany willing to cut tariffs on US cars, lifting automakers’ shares

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/germany-willing-to-cut-tariffs-on-us-cars-lifting-automakers-shares

  • Who will say' UNCLE' first?  Not the USA!   MAGA!

  • @clevfan4life said:

    and that leverage was lost when trump went to war with all our partners. why will anyone ofvthem capitulate now that they know all our industries will be facing pressure? soy for example. in a 1 to 1 war with china it may have been possible to alleviate some of those rariffs by finding other buyers....soy farmers may still have faced profit reduction but it would have been "something"

    but why now would any of the other trading blocks we've pissed off help undermine chinas soy tariffs? they wont. and china wont undermine any tariffs imposed against us from any other xountry.

    What were you saying?

    Germany willing to cut tariffs on US cars, lifting automakers’ shares

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/germany-willing-to-cut-tariffs-on-us-cars-lifting-automakers-shares

    @canton-dawg said:

    What were you saying?

    Germany willing to cut tariffs on US cars, lifting automakers’ shares

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/germany-willing-to-cut-tariffs-on-us-cars-lifting-automakers-shares

    hey thats great, germany capitulated to bmw/mercedes etc etc who said we cant lose the american market. those are high end automobiles so they cant "dump" that product anywhere else.

    look im relaying alot of things that i was personally told, like the soybean farmer diwn in dayton who is a republican and voted for trump....buuttttt, he has his realities on the ground whether he personally likes trump or not is irrelevant. he's gonna take a bath on the the tariffs

  • @canton-dawg said:

    What were you saying?

    Germany willing to cut tariffs on US cars, lifting automakers’ shares

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/germany-willing-to-cut-tariffs-on-us-cars-lifting-automakers-shares

    hey thats great, germany capitulated to bmw/mercedes etc etc who said we cant lose the american market. those are high end automobiles so they cant "dump" that product anywhere else.

    look im relaying alot of things that i was personally told, like the soybean farmer diwn in dayton who is a republican and voted for trump....buuttttt, he has his realities on the ground whether he personally likes trump or not is irrelevant. he's gonna take a bath on the the tariffs

    @clevfan4life said:

    hey thats great, germany capitulated to bmw/mercedes etc etc who said we cant lose the american market. those are high end automobiles so they cant "dump" that product anywhere else.

    look im relaying alot of things that i was personally told, like the soybean farmer diwn in dayton who is a republican and voted for trump....buuttttt, he has his realities on the ground whether he personally likes trump or not is irrelevant. he's gonna take a bath on the the tariffs

    Its simple economics, when you buy the most...you have the most leverage.

  • btw, these tariffs are proposed, not actually taking effect. I believe most of all,

    the idea is communication of the problem, and bargaining posturing.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    hey thats great, germany capitulated to bmw/mercedes etc etc who said we cant lose the american market. those are high end automobiles so they cant "dump" that product anywhere else.

    look im relaying alot of things that i was personally told, like the soybean farmer diwn in dayton who is a republican and voted for trump....buuttttt, he has his realities on the ground whether he personally likes trump or not is irrelevant. he's gonna take a bath on the the tariffs

    Its simple economics, when you buy the most...you have the most leverage.

    @canton-dawg said:

    Its simple economics, when you buy the most...you have the most leverage.

    with certain products, yes. other products can be sold or "dumped" in other markets. and germany is only bargaining with automobiles, there are other industries at stake in these tariffs

  • The U.S. is the number one exporter of food and agricultural products.

    Lets see the Chinese try to beat our prices...it’s gonna get interesting.

  • Dayton Daily News: China tariffs sink prices for Ohio soybean farmers

    New tariffs start today on U.S. soybeans imported to China, but Ohio farmers have already been feeling the pinch.

    The price for a bushel of soybeans sank 14 percent in June and as of Friday had fallen to $8.40 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade, with the soybean futures market tumbling down in anticipation of the 25 percent tariffs on U.S. soybean imports.

    That’s below the break even price for producing soybeans, which is about $9.70 a bushel, said Sam Custer, Darke County OSU Extension educator.

    “If they don’t have soybeans sold ahead of time and if the market doesn’t come back up, you’re looking at being a dollar and a half under production cost on every bushel they produce,” Custer said...

    ...Ohio agricultural groups worked for decades to build up a market in China. Nearly a third of Ohio’s $2.5 billion soybean crop gets exported directly to China, but that supply chain could be disrupted by the tariffs that make U.S. soybeans more expensive than soybeans from other countries, particularly in South America.

    And once competitors like Brazil move in and start supplying those buyers with soybeans at a cheaper price, it could be hard for U.S. farmers to win back those carefully built relationships, said Allen Armstrong, president of the Ohio Soybean Association...

    ...The tariff could drop China’s imports of soybeans by 69 percent on average. That would mean instead of a third of U.S. soybean crop being exported to China, only about a fifth would be.

    For Ohio, this would account for a decrease of roughly $241 million in the value of soybean exports, according to a report from Ohio State University.

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  • The U.S. is the number one exporter of food and agricultural products.

    Lets see the Chinese try to beat our prices...it’s gonna get interesting.

    @canton-dawg said:

    The U.S. is the number one exporter of food and agricultural products.

    Lets see the Chinese try to beat our prices...it’s gonna get interesting.

    Just like the above article mentioned, China will go to other countries like Brazil to pick up lost US agricultural production, and at a cheaper price than what the US was selling them.

  • but lets call the trade war a win for trump cause mercedes and bmw convinced the german govt to cave on auto tariffs. this is going to be a mesdy complicated affair that spans multitudes of industries and the true consequences may not be known for some time. im not saying its imposdible for the trump admin to come out ahead, but just like the nk deal....this is gonna take sometime and uneducated roobs need to pump the brakes talking about sht ur clearly know little to nothing about. 

    the likely reality is that trump saves some industries at the exp of others. tge question than is will those industries he threw under the bus vote for him?

  • @canton-dawg said:

    The U.S. is the number one exporter of food and agricultural products.

    Lets see the Chinese try to beat our prices...it’s gonna get interesting.

    Just like the above article mentioned, China will go to other countries like Brazil to pick up lost US agricultural production, and at a cheaper price than what the US was selling them.

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Just like the above article mentioned, China will go to other countries like Brazil to pick up lost US agricultural production, and at a cheaper price than what the US was selling them.

    We’ll see.

  • but lets call the trade war a win for trump cause mercedes and bmw convinced the german govt to cave on auto tariffs. this is going to be a mesdy complicated affair that spans multitudes of industries and the true consequences may not be known for some time. im not saying its imposdible for the trump admin to come out ahead, but just like the nk deal....this is gonna take sometime and uneducated roobs need to pump the brakes talking about sht ur clearly know little to nothing about. 

    the likely reality is that trump saves some industries at the exp of others. tge question than is will those industries he threw under the bus vote for him?

    @clevfan4life said:

    but lets call the trade war a win for trump cause mercedes and bmw convinced the german govt to cave on auto tariffs. this is going to be a mesdy complicated affair that spans multitudes of industries and the true consequences may not be known for some time. im not saying its imposdible for the trump admin to come out ahead, but just like the nk deal....this is gonna take sometime and uneducated roobs need to pump the brakes talking about sht ur clearly know little to nothing about. 

    the likely reality is that trump saves some industries at the exp of others. tge question than is will those industries he threw under the bus vote for him?

    My god you are full of sh!t.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    but lets call the trade war a win for trump cause mercedes and bmw convinced the german govt to cave on auto tariffs. this is going to be a mesdy complicated affair that spans multitudes of industries and the true consequences may not be known for some time. im not saying its imposdible for the trump admin to come out ahead, but just like the nk deal....this is gonna take sometime and uneducated roobs need to pump the brakes talking about sht ur clearly know little to nothing about. 

    the likely reality is that trump saves some industries at the exp of others. tge question than is will those industries he threw under the bus vote for him?

    My god you are full of sh!t.

    @canton-dawg said:

    My god you are full of sh!t.

    go ahead and tell me how, go on...

    ☕

  • @canton-dawg said:

    My god you are full of sh!t.

    go ahead and tell me how, go on...

    ☕

    @clevfan4life said:

    go ahead and tell me how, go on...

    ☕

    You’re the court jester on this board.

    ☕️

  • @clevfan4life said:

    go ahead and tell me how, go on...

    ☕

    You’re the court jester on this board.

    ☕️

    @canton-dawg said:

    You’re the court jester on this board.

    ☕️

    thats what i thought. u got nothin. juat another uneducated old fart bag trolling around the poly board, precisely up to spec for these parts well done

    ☕