New Gallop Poll - 36 problem concerns mentioned..."mmgw" isn't on the list
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Did you post a link from Oregon's 247 board?
You're trolling right? You have to be trolling. Holy Sheet
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http://www.cfact.org/2014/09/05/senate-report-debunks-wild-warming-claims-with-science/
Senate report debunks wild warming claims with science
http://www.cfact.org/2018/04/30/feds-flawed-politicized-data-pollutes-science/
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Out of curiosity, do you believe in mmgw or just that cal doesn't understand the basis of climatology?
Both.
It's science. It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not. That's the beauty of it.
Both.
It's science. It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not. That's the beauty of it.
Is there any evidence that scientists can hindcast known temperatures of warm periods? I haven't been able to find any accurate results to believe it. Climate just doesn't seem to be as sensitive to carbon and their own models continually prove that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't models the basis for all the IPCC predictions?
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I don't know
Such as what model?
I'm not sure. But I imagine predictions are based off of models. Which would be based off of research, collected data, tests, etc.
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Well any model you want have been wrong. Todos. NASA has been pretty open about it, kudos to them. But if you can't hindcast, I'm pretty certain you can't forecast.
The mid Pliocene is the most recent warm period similar to this one. CO2 was identical to todays, but the temps were 10-20C higher in upper lattitudes. NASA models were so laughably bad at duplicating the period, they had to basically come out and say they might not really even understand the basics of climate science yet. Read their conclusion if you don't believe me.(https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/199704_pliocene/page3.html#comments)
Mmgw is no doubt real to some capacity, but the extent is not agreed upon or even semi quantifiable. At this point it's more of a faith than a fact that CO2 drives climate, but I would certainly like information (not op-eds) to the contrary if you find it.
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I wouldn't say that NASA post is them saying "they don't understand the basics of climate science yet". Not at all. More that they are still understanding all of the factors at play back during this period. I imagine it would be easier to make accurate climate models for the world you currently live in than for a period long ago.
I also don't think any climatologist, or any scientist for that matter, would ever say they know everything there is about their field. They're constantly learning more and adjusting what we know as they go. Now, that's usually tweaks along the same path that multiple studies are already point towards, which in this case in man made climate change. You'd expect there still to be tweaks being made to models and predictions.
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Well then you're misreading it. They don't have to be perfect in this to claim victory. Feasible and consistent trends is merely the aim here. If you cant determine that CO2 was a major climate driver in the past how can you use climatological modeling in the present or future to determine just that. This isn't some form of "modern" CO2 we are dealing with, it's the same as it always has been or will be. You can't take the approach that reproducibility isn't important in a scientific discussion that is pushing legislation. That is absurd.
As it actually turns out when they use lower CO2 sensitivities in their models they actually produce a better hindcast. This begs several questions don't you think? You are aware the IPCC has lowered their carbon sensitivity estimates recently? And plenty of new published papers are pushing them to lower the numbers even more.
If you say it's easier to build a model for the present, then you're just bull$hitting. The entire basis of the models were built on a catalog of recorded climate history. Ice cores, microbial fossils, ocean currents, etc. Cmon you're better than a shoulder shrug explanation like that. Your ignoring several rules of science to sign off on something that requires reproducibility, it can't achieve, to be credible in the first place.
I mean think about it Woody, they built models from known climate data, but they can't reproduce the data from these same models with high carbon sensitivities. In other words, when you proof the work it fails the solution. Uh, hello. You're hitching your wagon to that? Seems quite clear to an objective observer they are forcing carbon into a larger role than it deserves.
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crap. I knew that the paris accord required us to dramatically cut out CO2 emmissions...
but is also required us to give the UN 3 BILLION US DOLLARS.
fancy that. Just what I have been saying for years. The ulterior motive, on the UN part, is redistribution of wealth, especially from
OUR UNITED STATES to the UN and poor countries. As if we don't already give the UN enough of our tax dollars as it is?
On the American part of all this - is leftwing political power, and an open door to taxing anything that moves, so the left can fund
socialism. Taxing cows farting (woodpecker has his beak up their butts), taxing thermostats, taxing mileage of vehicles,
the list is long.
I just don't understand how anybody can seriously be concerned about CO2, and not care about the destruction of millions of acres of the earth's rain forests.
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seriously. They want to tax anything that exists, or moves, to get a hell of a lot of money.
and getting all that money will cure "mmgw".
what a crock of crap.
https://futurism.com/carbon-tax-sky-high-avoid-climate-disaster-experts-say/
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CO2 isn't the problem.
The problem is CFCs.
ChloroFloroCarbons.
but saying the problem is CO2 reaches far, far more people to tax.
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