Late 1st round prospects
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I like Varejo's energy but damn he SUCKS as a scorer! I'm sure whatever bigman they get in the bottom of the first will be an upgrade over Andy. Let's not forget we also have Hickson which i think can develop into somethiing special.
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This year is even worse than most for bigs in the late 1st. According to nbadraft.net The only two available are Tyler Hansbrough, who, honestly, I wouldn't mind drafting. I've never thought he'd make it in the NBA, but he could be a more polished Varejao for us (but I still doubt he'll be there at 30)...and Taj Gibson who's 6'10, 214. That's about 60 pounds lighter than LeBron. Don't expect him to be anything more than Z-light.
I'd rather draft for size on the perimeter and get a low-budget big man in free agency (Chris Wilcox could be a great fit here). This of course is assuming Ferry pulls out all the stops in getting an Amare or Bosh or Dirk via trade or getting them signed early in the 2010 offseason.
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I wouldn't even draft a big man based on his passed play. The issues with most big men in the NBA are if they have the height, they are usually built awkward with terrible balance and foot movement (Z, Andy are prime examples). The big men who are built proportionally (Howard, Shaq) have success just based on pure athletic ability. Big men shouldn't shoot 18 foot jump shots, they need to be strong so they can dominate the paint on offense and defense. Block shots, get boards, make the dunks. Don't over coach the middle of the court!
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I want the Cavs to draft Sam Young and not because he's a Panther and I'm from Pittsburgh. He's exactly the kind of scorer the Cavs need. I'd be so stoked if the Cavs get a shot to draft him.
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nbadraft.net has us taking Taj Gibson right now
The Cavs appear to have a year to make it happen before LeBron makes a long term decision on his future. Based on the help he got during the playoffs, it may be getting close to panic time. The frontcourt was obviously exposed in their series with Orlando. With no centers available, power forward may be their best alternative. Gibson may not have much strength, but his length offers an appealing option to throw at Superman defensively next year.
ESPN thinks it'll be Demarre Carroll, 6'8, 207 senior PF
Analysis: The Cavs could lose both Ben Wallace and Anderson Varejao this summer. Carroll isn't as big as those guys, but he's got the same sort of frantic energy that made them so successful. He's a blue-collar worker who would fit in well with what the Cavs do.
Positives:
# Strong, athletic power player
# Scrappy
# Excellent motor
# Tough
# Pesky and physical on the defensive end of the ball
# A good offensive rebounder.
Negatives:
# A little undersized for his position
# Scouts think he's closer to 6-foot-7
# Needs to improve his perimeter game
# Still in the process of making a transition to the three
Yeah, I'll pass on both.
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nbadraft.net still going with Taj Gibson. I really see zero chance of that happening.
Chad Ford (ESPN) now has us taking Derrick Brown, which makes much more sense. The team worked him out, and according to Cavalier Attitude (http://mvn.com/cavalierattitude/) that's pretty important.
The 2009 Draft will be Ferry's fifth draft as General Manager of this team. In the 4 previous drafts the Cavs have acquired (via actual drafting them or trading for them) 7 players and of those 7 players, 5 of them have been worked out by the Cavs. The only two players not worked out by the Cavs were 2005 draft pick (whom they traded for) Martyans Andriuskevicius and 2006 draft pick Ejike Ugboaja.
http://mvn.com/cavalierattitude/2009/06/ca...t-workouts.htmlSo what are the odds that Ferry and Co. pick someone that they worked out? Pretty good it looks like.
He's also a natural fit for our lineup. 6'9, athletic, strong, long, able to play SF and PF.
nbadraft has him going 24 to Portland. Blecher Report has him going to us as well.
I think I found my new favorite player, unless Budinger somehow slips to us.
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This year is even worse than most for bigs in the late 1st. According to nbadraft.net The only two available are Tyler Hansbrough, who, honestly, I wouldn't mind drafting. I've never thought he'd make it in the NBA, but he could be a more polished Varejao for us (but I still doubt he'll be there at 30)...and Taj Gibson who's 6'10, 214. That's about 60 pounds lighter than LeBron. Don't expect him to be anything more than Z-light.
I'd rather draft for size on the perimeter and get a low-budget big man in free agency (Chris Wilcox could be a great fit here). This of course is assuming Ferry pulls out all the stops in getting an Amare or Bosh or Dirk via trade or getting them signed early in the 2010 offseason.
The only two available are Tyler Hansbrough, who, honestly, I wouldn't mind drafting. I've never thought he'd make it in the NBA.
Really? Man I thought he would be a upper first rounder. He's as NBA ready as anyone in the draft. I think a 15pt/8 rebound player right off the rip. I would like to draft him. But I don't think he will be there. I'd like to get Austin Daye or better yet BJ Mullens. Good site, nice find there CIMO.
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The only two available are Tyler Hansbrough, who, honestly, I wouldn't mind drafting. I've never thought he'd make it in the NBA.
Really? Man I thought he would be a upper first rounder. He's as NBA ready as anyone in the draft. I think a 15pt/8 rebound player right off the rip. I would like to draft him. But I don't think he will be there. I'd like to get Austin Daye or better yet BJ Mullens. Good site, nice find there CIMO.
Really? Man I thought he would be a upper first rounder. He's as NBA ready as anyone in the draft. I think a 15pt/8 rebound player right off the rip. I would like to draft him. But I don't think he will be there. I'd like to get Austin Daye or better yet BJ Mullens. Good site, nice find there CIMO.
Could be. The NBA draft is all about "potential" and "upside" and a 6'9. pretty unathletic white guy doesn't do much to stimulate these GMs. I have no idea where he'll end up going, could be top 10 or 15, could be in the 20s. I've always hated him as a college player, just the constant talk of him being the "hardest worker" and "toughest player in the sport" because he is (relatively) short and white and goofy. But as a guy who can grab some rebounds, and he's pretty polished in the paint and makes his FTs, I'd like to have him as a Cav if he ends up slipping.
John Hollinger put out a pretty good article listing the "best values" in the draft among collegiates. Not factoring in all the imaginary "upside" rankings, it just goes based on college stats, age, height, etc and how similar players have done in the league. He wrote an incredibly long description (I honestly just skimmed it) but some highlights....
From 2002 to 2007, 15 players were (a) among the first 10 collegians drafted and (
excluded from the top 12 by the Draft Rater. In other words, these were the college players the Draft Rater thought were drafted too high. Of those 15, not one has played in an All-Star Game. The only two who have started a significant number of games in the long term have been Kirk Hinrich (who was 13th in the Draft Rater in 2003) and Charlie Villanueva.
Who were the other top-10 picks not favored by the Draft Rater? Spencer Hawes, Acie Law, Fred Jones, Melvin Ely, Marcus Haislip, Jarvis Hayes, Rafael Araujo, Ike Diogu, Channing Frye, Randy Foye, J.J. Redick and Patrick O'Bryant.
In other words, when the Draft Rater has suggested avoiding a player, that has turned out to be good advice.
The Draft Rater also has spotted some of the biggest steals in recent years:
• Carlos Boozer was the 26th collegian taken in 2002; Draft Rater had him second.
• Josh Howard was 17th in 2003; Draft Rater had him fifth.
• Danny Granger was the 13th collegian in 2005; Draft Rater had him third.
• Rajon Rondo was the 16th collegian taken in 2006, but Draft Rater had him second.
• Rodney Stuckey was the 14th collegian chosen in 2007; Draft Rater had him fifth.
• And last year, two players the Draft Rater had rated much higher than others did, Mario Chalmers and George Hill, had productive rookie seasons.
So, most of the time, when the Draft Rater puts a player in the top five, there's a good reason.
His list for this year's top 12...
1. Ty Lawson - North Carolina (late 1st round)
2. Blake Griffin - Oklahoma (#1)
3. Tyreke Evans - Memphis (lottery)
4. Austin Daye - Gonzaga (late 1st round)
5. Stephen Curry - Davidson (lottery)
6. Nick Calathes - Florida (apparently playing in Europe?)
7. DeJuan Blair - Pittsburgh (top 20)
8. Danny Green - North Carolina (2nd round)
9. Jonny Flynn - Syracuse (lottery)
10. James Harden - Arizona State (top 10)
11. Hasheem Thabeet - Connecticut (top 10)
12. Earl Clark - Louisville (top 20)
Ferry really has to get a serious player in this draft, and it really looks like this could be a good year for the late 1st round. Trade, buy a pick, whatever. We need someone who can actually contribute. I don't care about potential and upside. It could be a guy who plays 25 minutes and just grabs rebounds and plays defense. Anyone who can seriously contribute.
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Here's Brian Windhorst on the matter
The chatter in the league is that the Cavs are very interested in moving up in the draft. They have been talking to teams just outside of the lottery (starting with the 15th pick) down into the low 20s.
As they look to move up, the Cavs might be targeting three players who most certainly will not be there at 30.
One is Ty Lawson, the dynamic and speedy point guard from North Carolina. Though he's small and that doesn't exactly fit what the Cavs need with undersized guards Mo Williams and Delonte West, Lawson has proven to be a winner and an excellent decision maker for the national champs. He's been overlooked by some teams and the Cavs love to find undervalued players in the draft. They feel Daniel Gibson and Darnell Jackson fit that same mold.
Another is Sam Young, an experienced wingman who proved to be a strong defender at Pittsburgh while playing in a power conference (Big East). Ferry is very close to the Pitt program and has been keeping an eye on Young for the past several years. Young fits the Cavs' need for size on the perimeter.
The last is Earl Clark, a tall power forward from Louisville who can play a little inside and out. The Cavs spent an extended period interviewing him at the Chicago Draft Combine. At 6-10 from a power program, he also fits a need.
Because the Cavs have shown a willingness to spend money and some teams are operating deep in the red, there has been a belief that the Cavs will look to purchase a first-round pick. Teams are allowed to spend up to $3 million to get them and, as a result, that is almost always the price. But do not assume the Cavs will definitely pull the trigger. They might be able to find better uses for the money. If they are going to buy a pick, the second round is more likely. The Cavs might be able to find a sleeper in there, especially between their picks of 30 and 46. Last season the Cavs spent $300,000 to buy the rights to Sasha Kahn out of the second round and that might be the type of check they prefer to write to get another player in this draft.
from the Plain Dealer via Cavalier Attitude
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This year is even worse than most for bigs in the late 1st. According to nbadraft.net The only two available are Tyler Hansbrough, who, honestly, I wouldn't mind drafting. I've never thought he'd make it in the NBA, but he could be a more polished Varejao for us (but I still doubt he'll be there at 30)...and Taj Gibson who's 6'10, 214. That's about 60 pounds lighter than LeBron. Don't expect him to be anything more than Z-light.
I'd rather draft for size on the perimeter and get a low-budget big man in free agency (Chris Wilcox could be a great fit here). This of course is assuming Ferry pulls out all the stops in getting an Amare or Bosh or Dirk via trade or getting them signed early in the 2010 offseason.
This year is even worse than most for bigs in the late 1st. According to nbadraft.net The only two available are Tyler Hansbrough, who, honestly, I wouldn't mind drafting. I've never thought he'd make it in the NBA, but he could be a more polished Varejao for us (but I still doubt he'll be there at 30)...and Taj Gibson who's 6'10, 214. That's about 60 pounds lighter than LeBron. Don't expect him to be anything more than Z-light.
I'd rather draft for size on the perimeter and get a low-budget big man in free agency (Chris Wilcox could be a great fit here). This of course is assuming Ferry pulls out all the stops in getting an Amare or Bosh or Dirk via trade or getting them signed early in the 2010 offseason.
I would really like to see us land Psycho T...guy is definitely in the Carlos Boozer mold and we all saw how well he has turned out. He is a smart player that I don't think we can get w/our 30th pick, but rumor does have it that the Cavs are looking to buy someone's pick in the 1st round and maybe Danny G's pockets are deep enough to get us up high enough to get Hansbrough. I'm not saying he's gonna be a All-star in Booz fashion, but he certainly has a chance and I def feel he can be a solid contributor to a defensive laden team like the Cavs. I think that who we choose in the draft could certainly change based on trades that could possibly go down prior to or during the draft, but I think that we would be lucky as hell to land Psycho T in the draft if nothing happens trade-wise.
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