PFF-Pass Rush/DL projections
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Zombo, I disagree with your statement that we have "4" playmakers at LB. ESPN agrees with me.. at least in that one of them has a contract not proportional to his production.
I appear not to be able to embed a link in the above while at work, here's the link
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24107215/nfl-20-most-outsized-contracts-adjusting-position-2018
You have Collins, Schobert, Kirksey as starters in the 4-3....plus backups in Orchard, Mychael Kendricks, Jermaine Grace, Burgess, Avery Gennard. Who among this group do you consider to be playmakers and those who are not? (and I don't give a crap about their contracts....only about their ability to play...whether they make farthings or millions)
You have Collins, Schobert, Kirksey as starters in the 4-3....plus backups in Orchard, Mychael Kendricks, Jermaine Grace, Burgess, Avery Gennard. Who among this group do you consider to be playmakers and those who are not? (and I don't give a crap about their contracts....only about their ability to play...whether they make farthings or millions)
Collins, Schobert, Kirksey and Kendricks.
Zombo
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Made a change to topic to Defensive Line (DL) PFF projections. Due to individual players graded are from DL front positions.Jamie Collins was added, due to rovering to DE in some schemes. The individual player grades are the player's final ending overall grade from last season 2017..Regardless, if we package all are scores together we should be no less than #19 with 49'ers. What I don't get in PFF's DL projections? Dallas 8th? Bengals 10th? I posted last week PFF's OL projections where they ranked us #14. Mostly due to S.Colemans poor final score from last season. But as a overall group we could be as high as #6-Saints,#9 GB or #12-Skins..it's the s o s..projections lean more wrong than right. Tee it up,than we shall see ? ..Moving on to.. top 3 players, Run-D grades per team https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-run-defense-rankings-all-32-teams-entering-2018 .. Secondary https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-secondary-rankings-all-32-teams-entering-2018
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PFF overall position projections for 2018 continue. If you missed any or interested? Open this site, which will reveal team WR rankings https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-receiving-corps-rankings-all-32-teams-entering-2018 the other positions they have ranked are highlighted up top available to open on a click. ya,we can bark on a few of these team rankings.. but 1 week 1 day to Giants, yip,yip,yippie!
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PFF overall position projections for 2018 continue. If you missed any or interested? Open this site, which will reveal team WR rankings https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-receiving-corps-rankings-all-32-teams-entering-2018 the other positions they have ranked are highlighted up top available to open on a click. ya,we can bark on a few of these team rankings.. but 1 week 1 day to Giants, yip,yip,yippie!
PFF overall position projections for 2018 continue. If you missed any or interested? Open this site, which will reveal team WR rankings https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-receiving-corps-rankings-all-32-teams-entering-2018 the other positions they have ranked are highlighted up top available to open on a click. ya,we can bark on a few of these team rankings.. but 1 week 1 day to Giants, yip,yip,yippie!
I generally believe projection like this are useless. Actual performance is only what counts. And they include Josh Gordon in there....whose reliability is questionable.
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PFF overall position projections for 2018 continue. If you missed any or interested? Open this site, which will reveal team WR rankings https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-receiving-corps-rankings-all-32-teams-entering-2018 the other positions they have ranked are highlighted up top available to open on a click. ya,we can bark on a few of these team rankings.. but 1 week 1 day to Giants, yip,yip,yippie!
I generally believe projection like this are useless. Actual performance is only what counts. And they include Josh Gordon in there....whose reliability is questionable.
I generally believe projection like this are useless. Actual performance is only what counts. And they include Josh Gordon in there....whose reliability is questionable.
Actually projections are useful they can even predict presidential elections with great accuracy, don't believe me just ask our president Hillary.
Well they can be an interesting subject of debate going into a season to see how accurate the BROWNS and the other 31 teams brain trusts did in their team building.......or maybe who needs to be fired.
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Well, to be fair our defensive end unit as it stands today is a bit shaky. Garrett is likely to be a beast, but Ogbah is coming off injury and the depth behind leaves a lot to be desired.
While I get what Gregg is saying, I still would have drafted Chubb. I think Ward is going to be a solid pro, but to me defensive end is the 2nd most important position on the field outside QB. DE is a position where you can't have enough depth and ours just isn't there, on paper anyway. I suppose time will tell though.
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Garrett's been busy lately.?
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Garrett's been busy lately.?
What a classy & neat thing to do! That kid will certainly NEVER forget the day.
Mike
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Well, to be fair our defensive end unit as it stands today is a bit shaky. Garrett is likely to be a beast, but Ogbah is coming off injury and the depth behind leaves a lot to be desired.
While I get what Gregg is saying, I still would have drafted Chubb. I think Ward is going to be a solid pro, but to me defensive end is the 2nd most important position on the field outside QB. DE is a position where you can't have enough depth and ours just isn't there, on paper anyway. I suppose time will tell though.
Well, to be fair our defensive end unit as it stands today is a bit shaky. Garrett is likely to be a beast, but Ogbah is coming off injury and the depth behind leaves a lot to be desired.
While I get what Gregg is saying, I still would have drafted Chubb. I think Ward is going to be a solid pro, but to me defensive end is the 2nd most important position on the field outside QB. DE is a position where you can't have enough depth and ours just isn't there, on paper anyway. I suppose time will tell though.
As good as Garrett could be, we had literally NOTHING at CB, which virtually crippled Garrett & our other DEs. IMHO, Ward was a far bigger need & I'll trust Dorsey & crew to make the right choices.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
Well, to be fair our defensive end unit as it stands today is a bit shaky. Garrett is likely to be a beast, but Ogbah is coming off injury and the depth behind leaves a lot to be desired.
While I get what Gregg is saying, I still would have drafted Chubb. I think Ward is going to be a solid pro, but to me defensive end is the 2nd most important position on the field outside QB. DE is a position where you can't have enough depth and ours just isn't there, on paper anyway. I suppose time will tell though.
As good as Garrett could be, we had literally NOTHING at CB, which virtually crippled Garrett & our other DEs. IMHO, Ward was a far bigger need & I'll trust Dorsey & crew to make the right choices.
Mike
As good as Garrett could be, we had literally NOTHING at CB, which virtually crippled Garrett & our other DEs. IMHO, Ward was a far bigger need & I'll trust Dorsey & crew to make the right choices.
Mike
There were so many times last year that Garrett got to the QB in 2 seconds but the ball was gone due to such poor CB coverage. Having a well Ogbah full speed IMO is just huge to go along with far better CB and S play. I expect our sacks to double as a team.
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Well, to be fair our defensive end unit as it stands today is a bit shaky. Garrett is likely to be a beast, but Ogbah is coming off injury and the depth behind leaves a lot to be desired.
While I get what Gregg is saying, I still would have drafted Chubb. I think Ward is going to be a solid pro, but to me defensive end is the 2nd most important position on the field outside QB. DE is a position where you can't have enough depth and ours just isn't there, on paper anyway. I suppose time will tell though.
As good as Garrett could be, we had literally NOTHING at CB, which virtually crippled Garrett & our other DEs. IMHO, Ward was a far bigger need & I'll trust Dorsey & crew to make the right choices.
Mike
As good as Garrett could be, we had literally NOTHING at CB, which virtually crippled Garrett & our other DEs. IMHO, Ward was a far bigger need & I'll trust Dorsey & crew to make the right choices.
Mike
I'm not going to disagree with the concept, but I just disagree with the execution. I'd also argue we added a lot of CB depth in the off-season too.
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Love 'em or hate 'em.... PFF generates a lot of convo 'round here... so they've got that going for them.
My take? Theirs is a sum of the pieces analysis... no different here for the D than it is for the OL. We all know in this team game that the whole can be much greater (or less) than the sum of the part. Biggest factor in determining whether the D exceeds or falls short of it's sum? The DC...
I see us better than 28th. I think Greg is good, but was compensating thru '17 for a big hole in the middle of the 2ndary. Doesn't seem that will be the case this go 'round.
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