Honest thoughts
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Honest thought ?...So much has been made from the media all offseason about Baker Mayfield's size. Simply got tired of reading it..So instead of welcoming Baker to Munchkinland. As most scouts and Media did. I'd like to welcome them to Bakers Land!
Is that Baker on the left or right
.. Browns do have a history and we did glorify some names..So will Baker be a Bust,be a Bust,be a Bust..in the Hall of Fame?.Stay tuned, it's only his first preseason game ...but for the love of all midgets, he's not a Munchkin in your Media Land..Go Browns!! hee-hee
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Honest thought ?...So much has been made from the media all offseason about Baker Mayfield's size. Simply got tired of reading it..So instead of welcoming Baker to Munchkinland. As most scouts and Media did. I'd like to welcome them to Bakers Land!
Is that Baker on the left or right
.. Browns do have a history and we did glorify some names..So will Baker be a Bust,be a Bust,be a Bust..in the Hall of Fame?.Stay tuned, it's only his first preseason game ...but for the love of all midgets, he's not a Munchkin in your Media Land..Go Browns!! hee-hee
Honest thought ?...So much was been made from the media all offseason about Baker Mayfield's size. Simply got tired of reading it..So instead of welcoming Baker to Munchkinland. As most scouts and Media did. I'd like to welcome them to Bakers Land!
Is that Baker on the left or right
.. Browns do have a history and we did glorify some names..So will Baker be a Bust,be a Bust,be a Bust..in the Hall of Fame?.Stay tuned, it's only his first preseason game ...but for the love of all midgets, he's not a Munchkin in your Media Land..Go Browns!! hee-hee
Baker is only like 6’ and I saw no tipped passes.
The Giants backup QB Davis Webb is 6’5” and how many tipped passes did he have? 4? 5?
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Brian Baldinger (NFL Channel) just RAVED about Baker which pleased me as I am (& always have been) a HUGE Baker Fan.
In addition to his obvious talent, his passion for the game & his competitive level are off the charts. Indeed, Baker Mayfield is a special player.
That being said, Tyrod may well start the regular season & I will support him fully, but I feel that, in Baker, our future QB has been secured.
Mike
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I like what I saw from Baker.. I wont call it perfect.. But mighty damn impressive... I'm anxious to see how the dynamics unfolds... I'm not ready to put him in Canton... But, I'm encouraged.. One day at a time as they say....
I like what I saw from Baker.. I wont call it perfect.. But mighty damn impressive... I'm anxious to see how the dynamics unfolds... I'm not ready to put him in Canton... But, I'm encouraged.. One day at a time as they say....
I agree, he looked motivated or inspired or something, good combination of Taylor / Mayfield for now.
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I like what I saw from Baker.. I wont call it perfect.. But mighty damn impressive... I'm anxious to see how the dynamics unfolds... I'm not ready to put him in Canton... But, I'm encouraged.. One day at a time as they say....
I agree, he looked motivated or inspired or something, good combination of Taylor / Mayfield for now.
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Was that the QB that tried to make Mayfield his towel Bitch?
yep
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Was that the QB that tried to make Mayfield his towel Bitch?
Baker's current towel bitch, an improvement.

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Honest thought ?...So much was been made from the media all offseason about Baker Mayfield's size. Simply got tired of reading it..So instead of welcoming Baker to Munchkinland. As most scouts and Media did. I'd like to welcome them to Bakers Land!
Is that Baker on the left or right
.. Browns do have a history and we did glorify some names..So will Baker be a Bust,be a Bust,be a Bust..in the Hall of Fame?.Stay tuned, it's only his first preseason game ...but for the love of all midgets, he's not a Munchkin in your Media Land..Go Browns!! hee-hee
Baker is only like 6’ and I saw no tipped passes.
The Giants backup QB Davis Webb is 6’5” and how many tipped passes did he have? 4? 5?
Baker is only like 6’ and I saw no tipped passes.
The Giants backup QB Davis Webb is 6’5” and how many tipped passes did he have? 4? 5?
The towel Webb'ster, would need a Safety Webb 6 foot 'everywhere' around his receivers..We even logged a 3 down, 15 second defensive stand..my Webb log reads..4 tips,6 sailed high(could have kill'd 2 wide outs),1 late in window,should have been picked.They gave Webb, 4 straight easy passes before half(playing prevent
) than he missed(overthrown) a wide open bucket in endzone..wet behind them big ears may need a turd-able towel..
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Offense
- Interior Oline didn't look good trying to win leverage, move the line or at least turn their assignment to create a lane. Part of that is due to the fact you're going up against the NFL's best Nose. I would like too see a few zone/stretch runs sprinkled in sometime this pre-season. I'd also like to see a few solid attempts at some creativity in opening lanes like the occasional trap/wham. We'll see how this pre-season shakes out.
- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that. So TT showing trust early with Hollywood bodes well for this group. His willingness to also give Landry a 1on1 shot against a pretty damn good DB in Janoris was a welcomed sign. Perhaps he'll feel more comfortable with some of these weapons and Haley getting into his ear about attacking DB's in those man looks. You have an OC that likes pushing the ball downfield on top of the quick hitters... early returns are indicating those lessons are heard and applied.
- Speaking of new OC's (called it) Haley LOVES that bunch formation and we went to it often.
- Didn't see much in the way (if any) of the PAP and designed rollouts for TT. BUT, the mobility of both our QB's will help freeze backers provided when they create time they also keep their eyes downfield to take advantage of said time.
- That 3rd & 18 conversion Baker had, while nicely done, is a sack in the regular season against first team defenders.
- Like I said earlier, Chubbs initial stance appears way too upright. Second viewing he doesn't run high, but looks like some first game jitters. Pressing the hole too fast, not letting his lead setup. Running into Corbett. Sheet like that. So far Dayes is my #2 back on this team and I'm hoping the coaching staff rolls with Hyde, Dayes, Chubb and Duke as the flex.
- Bakers TD to Njoku......
- The Wheel is this primary. Baker see's the LB sitting over top of it and Chubb isn't really THAT kind of receiving back. Rookie QB comes off that read quickly - GREAT sign.
- Brings his eyes back to the middle where he see's Njoku break his route off.
This was a great example of extending a play. Baker is keeping his feet under him but moving just enough to keep the edge defenders guessing on if he is going to bail. My only beef is ball placement. That ball NEEDS to be higher. I also don't think he saw the corner drop off his initial zone. A good CB will get under that if not outright take it. Your TE is 6'5. Put that ball up, young blood.
- Interior Dline held up nicely for the 1's and 2's. The Gmen aren't that strong up front but they aren't the worst group either.
- Good job opening blitz lanes on some of the designed calls. The one with Kendricks ( I know it's spelled differently but I'm not bothering to look it up) being the most obvious
- Linebackers flew around laterally and attacked downhill early, rarely missing assignments.
- Nobody in the revamped secondary, including our rookie CB, looked out of place.
- The creativity in showing pressures and getting home with 4 man looks while dropping ends was good to see. Williams not afraid to switch things up and go away from tendencies. Went with a double A gap blitz one 3rd down, then backed out of it the next looking to take Sterling Sheppard away from Eli.
Nothing where I think this team is going to make the playoffs, but I do believe they'll be a far cry from how laughably bad they were last year.
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I wonder how long Pog has been a writer for the NY Post?

I wonder how long Pog has been a writer for the NY Post?
You know PoG came in his pants... ?
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Offense
- Interior Oline didn't look good trying to win leverage, move the line or at least turn their assignment to create a lane. Part of that is due to the fact you're going up against the NFL's best Nose. I would like too see a few zone/stretch runs sprinkled in sometime this pre-season. I'd also like to see a few solid attempts at some creativity in opening lanes like the occasional trap/wham. We'll see how this pre-season shakes out.
- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that. So TT showing trust early with Hollywood bodes well for this group. His willingness to also give Landry a 1on1 shot against a pretty damn good DB in Janoris was a welcomed sign. Perhaps he'll feel more comfortable with some of these weapons and Haley getting into his ear about attacking DB's in those man looks. You have an OC that likes pushing the ball downfield on top of the quick hitters... early returns are indicating those lessons are heard and applied.
- Speaking of new OC's (called it) Haley LOVES that bunch formation and we went to it often.
- Didn't see much in the way (if any) of the PAP and designed rollouts for TT. BUT, the mobility of both our QB's will help freeze backers provided when they create time they also keep their eyes downfield to take advantage of said time.
- That 3rd & 18 conversion Baker had, while nicely done, is a sack in the regular season against first team defenders.
- Like I said earlier, Chubbs initial stance appears way too upright. Second viewing he doesn't run high, but looks like some first game jitters. Pressing the hole too fast, not letting his lead setup. Running into Corbett. Sheet like that. So far Dayes is my #2 back on this team and I'm hoping the coaching staff rolls with Hyde, Dayes, Chubb and Duke as the flex.
- Bakers TD to Njoku......
- The Wheel is this primary. Baker see's the LB sitting over top of it and Chubb isn't really THAT kind of receiving back. Rookie QB comes off that read quickly - GREAT sign.
- Brings his eyes back to the middle where he see's Njoku break his route off.
This was a great example of extending a play. Baker is keeping his feet under him but moving just enough to keep the edge defenders guessing on if he is going to bail. My only beef is ball placement. That ball NEEDS to be higher. I also don't think he saw the corner drop off his initial zone. A good CB will get under that if not outright take it. Your TE is 6'5. Put that ball up, young blood.
- Interior Dline held up nicely for the 1's and 2's. The Gmen aren't that strong up front but they aren't the worst group either.
- Good job opening blitz lanes on some of the designed calls. The one with Kendricks ( I know it's spelled differently but I'm not bothering to look it up) being the most obvious
- Linebackers flew around laterally and attacked downhill early, rarely missing assignments.
- Nobody in the revamped secondary, including our rookie CB, looked out of place.
- The creativity in showing pressures and getting home with 4 man looks while dropping ends was good to see. Williams not afraid to switch things up and go away from tendencies. Went with a double A gap blitz one 3rd down, then backed out of it the next looking to take Sterling Sheppard away from Eli.
Nothing where I think this team is going to make the playoffs, but I do believe they'll be a far cry from how laughably bad they were last year.
Offense
- Interior Oline didn't look good trying to win leverage, move the line or at least turn their assignment to create a lane. Part of that is due to the fact you're going up against the NFL's best Nose. I would like too see a few zone/stretch runs sprinkled in sometime this pre-season. I'd also like to see a few solid attempts at some creativity in opening lanes like the occasional trap/wham. We'll see how this pre-season shakes out.
- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that. So TT showing trust early with Hollywood bodes well for this group. His willingness to also give Landry a 1on1 shot against a pretty damn good DB in Janoris was a welcomed sign. Perhaps he'll feel more comfortable with some of these weapons and Haley getting into his ear about attacking DB's in those man looks. You have an OC that likes pushing the ball downfield on top of the quick hitters... early returns are indicating those lessons are heard and applied.
- Speaking of new OC's (called it) Haley LOVES that bunch formation and we went to it often.
- Didn't see much in the way (if any) of the PAP and designed rollouts for TT. BUT, the mobility of both our QB's will help freeze backers provided when they create time they also keep their eyes downfield to take advantage of said time.
- That 3rd & 18 conversion Baker had, while nicely done, is a sack in the regular season against first team defenders.
- Like I said earlier, Chubbs initial stance appears way too upright. Second viewing he doesn't run high, but looks like some first game jitters. Pressing the hole too fast, not letting his lead setup. Running into Corbett. Sheet like that. So far Dayes is my #2 back on this team and I'm hoping the coaching staff rolls with Hyde, Dayes, Chubb and Duke as the flex.
- Bakers TD to Njoku......
- The Wheel is this primary. Baker see's the LB sitting over top of it and Chubb isn't really THAT kind of receiving back. Rookie QB comes off that read quickly - GREAT sign.
- Brings his eyes back to the middle where he see's Njoku break his route off.
This was a great example of extending a play. Baker is keeping his feet under him but moving just enough to keep the edge defenders guessing on if he is going to bail. My only beef is ball placement. That ball NEEDS to be higher. I also don't think he saw the corner drop off his initial zone. A good CB will get under that if not outright take it. Your TE is 6'5. Put that ball up, young blood.
- Interior Dline held up nicely for the 1's and 2's. The Gmen aren't that strong up front but they aren't the worst group either.
- Good job opening blitz lanes on some of the designed calls. The one with Kendricks ( I know it's spelled differently but I'm not bothering to look it up) being the most obvious
- Linebackers flew around laterally and attacked downhill early, rarely missing assignments.
- Nobody in the revamped secondary, including our rookie CB, looked out of place.
- The creativity in showing pressures and getting home with 4 man looks while dropping ends was good to see. Williams not afraid to switch things up and go away from tendencies. Went with a double A gap blitz one 3rd down, then backed out of it the next looking to take Sterling Sheppard away from Eli.
Nothing where I think this team is going to make the playoffs, but I do believe they'll be a far cry from how laughably bad they were last year.
Nice job with that Tia - thanks! One of the matchups I zeroed in on since Hernandez was the OG we didn't draft - was when Meder lined across from Hernandez. Meder had the winning pad height a few times where he jolted Hernandez backward and won position when the Giants were trying to run the ball. I'll go as far as saying I thought he Meder ragdolled Hernandez at least twice. I'm going to watch it again tonight and adjust/add if necessary.
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I wonder how long Pog has been a writer for the NY Post?
You know PoG came in his pants... ?
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Offense
- Interior Oline didn't look good trying to win leverage, move the line or at least turn their assignment to create a lane. Part of that is due to the fact you're going up against the NFL's best Nose. I would like too see a few zone/stretch runs sprinkled in sometime this pre-season. I'd also like to see a few solid attempts at some creativity in opening lanes like the occasional trap/wham. We'll see how this pre-season shakes out.
- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that. So TT showing trust early with Hollywood bodes well for this group. His willingness to also give Landry a 1on1 shot against a pretty damn good DB in Janoris was a welcomed sign. Perhaps he'll feel more comfortable with some of these weapons and Haley getting into his ear about attacking DB's in those man looks. You have an OC that likes pushing the ball downfield on top of the quick hitters... early returns are indicating those lessons are heard and applied.
- Speaking of new OC's (called it) Haley LOVES that bunch formation and we went to it often.
- Didn't see much in the way (if any) of the PAP and designed rollouts for TT. BUT, the mobility of both our QB's will help freeze backers provided when they create time they also keep their eyes downfield to take advantage of said time.
- That 3rd & 18 conversion Baker had, while nicely done, is a sack in the regular season against first team defenders.
- Like I said earlier, Chubbs initial stance appears way too upright. Second viewing he doesn't run high, but looks like some first game jitters. Pressing the hole too fast, not letting his lead setup. Running into Corbett. Sheet like that. So far Dayes is my #2 back on this team and I'm hoping the coaching staff rolls with Hyde, Dayes, Chubb and Duke as the flex.
- Bakers TD to Njoku......
- The Wheel is this primary. Baker see's the LB sitting over top of it and Chubb isn't really THAT kind of receiving back. Rookie QB comes off that read quickly - GREAT sign.
- Brings his eyes back to the middle where he see's Njoku break his route off.
This was a great example of extending a play. Baker is keeping his feet under him but moving just enough to keep the edge defenders guessing on if he is going to bail. My only beef is ball placement. That ball NEEDS to be higher. I also don't think he saw the corner drop off his initial zone. A good CB will get under that if not outright take it. Your TE is 6'5. Put that ball up, young blood.
- Interior Dline held up nicely for the 1's and 2's. The Gmen aren't that strong up front but they aren't the worst group either.
- Good job opening blitz lanes on some of the designed calls. The one with Kendricks ( I know it's spelled differently but I'm not bothering to look it up) being the most obvious
- Linebackers flew around laterally and attacked downhill early, rarely missing assignments.
- Nobody in the revamped secondary, including our rookie CB, looked out of place.
- The creativity in showing pressures and getting home with 4 man looks while dropping ends was good to see. Williams not afraid to switch things up and go away from tendencies. Went with a double A gap blitz one 3rd down, then backed out of it the next looking to take Sterling Sheppard away from Eli.
Nothing where I think this team is going to make the playoffs, but I do believe they'll be a far cry from how laughably bad they were last year.
- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that.
- Like I said earlier, Chubbs initial stance appears way too upright.
- My only beef is ball placement. That ball NEEDS to be higher. I also don't think he saw the corner drop off his initial zone. A good CB will get under that if not outright it. Your TE is 6'5. Put that ball up, young blood.
Nice write up. A couple specific comments/ builds.
- Our QBs actually look like they are getting coaching.
- Yeah... and it starts with his set. Never seen a RB that upright.
- Might have been higher, but I thought the ball was high. Something we never seemed to see last season.
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Offense
- Interior Oline didn't look good trying to win leverage, move the line or at least turn their assignment to create a lane. Part of that is due to the fact you're going up against the NFL's best Nose. I would like too see a few zone/stretch runs sprinkled in sometime this pre-season. I'd also like to see a few solid attempts at some creativity in opening lanes like the occasional trap/wham. We'll see how this pre-season shakes out.
- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that. So TT showing trust early with Hollywood bodes well for this group. His willingness to also give Landry a 1on1 shot against a pretty damn good DB in Janoris was a welcomed sign. Perhaps he'll feel more comfortable with some of these weapons and Haley getting into his ear about attacking DB's in those man looks. You have an OC that likes pushing the ball downfield on top of the quick hitters... early returns are indicating those lessons are heard and applied.
- Speaking of new OC's (called it) Haley LOVES that bunch formation and we went to it often.
- Didn't see much in the way (if any) of the PAP and designed rollouts for TT. BUT, the mobility of both our QB's will help freeze backers provided when they create time they also keep their eyes downfield to take advantage of said time.
- That 3rd & 18 conversion Baker had, while nicely done, is a sack in the regular season against first team defenders.
- Like I said earlier, Chubbs initial stance appears way too upright. Second viewing he doesn't run high, but looks like some first game jitters. Pressing the hole too fast, not letting his lead setup. Running into Corbett. Sheet like that. So far Dayes is my #2 back on this team and I'm hoping the coaching staff rolls with Hyde, Dayes, Chubb and Duke as the flex.
- Bakers TD to Njoku......
- The Wheel is this primary. Baker see's the LB sitting over top of it and Chubb isn't really THAT kind of receiving back. Rookie QB comes off that read quickly - GREAT sign.
- Brings his eyes back to the middle where he see's Njoku break his route off.
This was a great example of extending a play. Baker is keeping his feet under him but moving just enough to keep the edge defenders guessing on if he is going to bail. My only beef is ball placement. That ball NEEDS to be higher. I also don't think he saw the corner drop off his initial zone. A good CB will get under that if not outright take it. Your TE is 6'5. Put that ball up, young blood.
- Interior Dline held up nicely for the 1's and 2's. The Gmen aren't that strong up front but they aren't the worst group either.
- Good job opening blitz lanes on some of the designed calls. The one with Kendricks ( I know it's spelled differently but I'm not bothering to look it up) being the most obvious
- Linebackers flew around laterally and attacked downhill early, rarely missing assignments.
- Nobody in the revamped secondary, including our rookie CB, looked out of place.
- The creativity in showing pressures and getting home with 4 man looks while dropping ends was good to see. Williams not afraid to switch things up and go away from tendencies. Went with a double A gap blitz one 3rd down, then backed out of it the next looking to take Sterling Sheppard away from Eli.
Nothing where I think this team is going to make the playoffs, but I do believe they'll be a far cry from how laughably bad they were last year.
Offense
- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that. So TT showing trust early with Hollywood bodes well for this group. His willingness to also give Landry a 1on1 shot against a pretty damn good DB in Janoris was a welcomed sign. Perhaps he'll feel more comfortable with some of these weapons and Haley getting into his ear about attacking DB's in those man looks. You have an OC that likes pushing the ball downfield on top of the quick hitters... early returns are indicating those lessons are heard and applied.
- Speaking of new OC's (called it) Haley LOVES that bunch formation and we went to it often.
- So far Dayes is my #2 back on this team and I'm hoping the coaching staff rolls with Hyde, Dayes, Chubb and Duke as the flex.
Defense
- Interior Dline held up nicely for the 1's and 2's. The Gmen aren't that strong up front but they aren't the worst group either.
- Good job opening blitz lanes on some of the designed calls. The one with Kendricks ( I know it's spelled differently but I'm not bothering to look it up) being the most obvious
- Linebackers flew around laterally and attacked downhill early, rarely missing assignments.
- Nobody in the revamped secondary, including our rookie CB, looked out of place.
- The creativity in showing pressures and getting home with 4 man looks while dropping ends was good to see. Williams not afraid to switch things up and go away from tendencies. Went with a double A gap blitz one 3rd down
Good to see some nuts & bolts of ballin again..Awesome Tia.. am hoping your right on Tyrod & Haley.Take some shots and trust that your guys will fight to go get it.Tyrod seems to be working hard to keep up with Haley's mindgame & playbook.1st in,last out. Tyrod maybe tossing the Dez word around hoping he can still go fight for a ball in the air. Big fan of Dayes at NC State. The kid needs a honest chance to make this squad.He's got talent more than a ST'er.. hey, Have ya made it to a camp day yet? seems like the browns are big on bringing in groups, feeding their own tickets?
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Offense
- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that. So TT showing trust early with Hollywood bodes well for this group. His willingness to also give Landry a 1on1 shot against a pretty damn good DB in Janoris was a welcomed sign. Perhaps he'll feel more comfortable with some of these weapons and Haley getting into his ear about attacking DB's in those man looks. You have an OC that likes pushing the ball downfield on top of the quick hitters... early returns are indicating those lessons are heard and applied.
- Speaking of new OC's (called it) Haley LOVES that bunch formation and we went to it often.
- So far Dayes is my #2 back on this team and I'm hoping the coaching staff rolls with Hyde, Dayes, Chubb and Duke as the flex.
Defense
- Interior Dline held up nicely for the 1's and 2's. The Gmen aren't that strong up front but they aren't the worst group either.
- Good job opening blitz lanes on some of the designed calls. The one with Kendricks ( I know it's spelled differently but I'm not bothering to look it up) being the most obvious
- Linebackers flew around laterally and attacked downhill early, rarely missing assignments.
- Nobody in the revamped secondary, including our rookie CB, looked out of place.
- The creativity in showing pressures and getting home with 4 man looks while dropping ends was good to see. Williams not afraid to switch things up and go away from tendencies. Went with a double A gap blitz one 3rd down
Good to see some nuts & bolts of ballin again..Awesome Tia.. am hoping your right on Tyrod & Haley.Take some shots and trust that your guys will fight to go get it.Tyrod seems to be working hard to keep up with Haley's mindgame & playbook.1st in,last out. Tyrod maybe tossing the Dez word around hoping he can still go fight for a ball in the air. Big fan of Dayes at NC State. The kid needs a honest chance to make this squad.He's got talent more than a ST'er.. hey, Have ya made it to a camp day yet? seems like the browns are big on bringing in groups, feeding their own tickets?
Good to see some nuts & bolts of ballin again..Awesome Tia.. am hoping your right on Tyrod & Haley.Take some shots and trust that your guys will fight to go get it.Tyrod seems to be working hard to keep up with Haley's mindgame & playbook.1st in,last out. Tyrod maybe tossing the Dez word around hoping he can still go fight for a ball in the air. Big fan of Dayes at NC State. The kid needs a honest chance to make this squad.He's got talent more than a ST'er.. hey, Have ya made it to a camp day yet? seems like the browns are big on bringing in groups, feeding their own tickets?
Won't be able to make it to camp this year. Settled on dates too late and no tickets are available.
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- I like the sight adjustments on the backshoulder. Make no mistake a couple of those were just that.
- Like I said earlier, Chubbs initial stance appears way too upright.
- My only beef is ball placement. That ball NEEDS to be higher. I also don't think he saw the corner drop off his initial zone. A good CB will get under that if not outright it. Your TE is 6'5. Put that ball up, young blood.
Nice write up. A couple specific comments/ builds.
- Our QBs actually look like they are getting coaching.
- Yeah... and it starts with his set. Never seen a RB that upright.
- Might have been higher, but I thought the ball was high. Something we never seemed to see last season.
Nice write up. A couple specific comments/ builds.
- Our QBs actually look like they are getting coaching.
Let's not overlook TT either. In reviewing BM these guys note that TT had a perfect QB score for the evening. BM will not take that job away any time soon if he continues like that all season. Both were just so impressive compared to not only last year, but to anyone in week one preseason.
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