Ahhh, this is why Kellen hates DA so much, I totally forgot...
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hey it dont matter k2 hates da or wants to blow quinn. the only kind of players i want on my team are team players. the kind of guys that say whats best for the team is who i want to play
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both those two plays are completely situational and about as similar as the Ravens and Broncos D's. 3rd down versus a scoring situation>>>nothing alike aside from Chud probably calling for the play to go to Winslow in both instances. go ahead and dig up some more film of Anderson from two years ago...heaven forbid a player improve beyond their first year (of meaningful starting).
there was a window when DA released it. heck, even Jurevicius coulda settled down, using his body to block the defenders and pulling it in fast. Winslow was always guilty of being flashy and not catching/protecting the ball smart enough in traffic. he was a college bohemoth, but in the pros? meh.
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@shepwrite said:
Ate, that's the worst analysis of a play I've ever read.No Analysis, just football 101 ... catch the freaking ball, take the hit, and STFU.
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Easy for you to say.... ever had Ray Lewis breathing down your neck? Kellen didn't even have time to secure the ball and is basically body slammed in mid-air
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@shepwrite said:
It was obviously a matter of throwing into triple coverage... throwing high and into Lewis' hit... and just dumb quarterbacking.Ate, that's the worst analysis of a play I've ever read.
shep his analysis may just be over your head because it doesn't discuss muscle tone definition in it
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I notice coming off the field after the TD, KW had no love for Jamal Lewis. Hmmm....
And seriously, that first video was just a shit play all around. Bad play call, bad throw, bad drop. Just fooking sad to watch again. And didn't the Ravnes have a pic six the next series or two? Ah yes, a DA special.
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@shepwrite said:
Ate, that's the worst analysis of a play I've ever read.No Analysis, just football 101 ... catch the freaking ball, take the hit, and STFU.
No Analysis, just football 101 ... catch the freaking ball, take the hit, and STFU.
So it is all on Kellen on that play?
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So it is all on Kellen on that play?
most effed up things on the team came because of K2.
That's why you don't put a dude with a 6 on his wonderlic out there as a team leader.
Savage knew it. Mangini does too.
The BQ Lover crowd loved him tho, cuz he said he was tough, said he played hurt, said he was the best TE in the whole NFL.
Most importantly he was a hot piece of man-meat, so that means he has the "IT FACTOR" too
Funny, the people who believed the K2 bullshit pussy fake injury and hard worker stories then.... are the same people who believe the same bullshit from BQ now.
Reality is, they just wanna get tag teamed by 'em.
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@shepwrite said:
I can't imagine what would convince me that Lums isn't gay. I've never seen such consistent homophobia from anyone who wasn't a full on hillbilly and he doesn't seem like one of those.Hmmm you know I've never seen a dude pimp QBs based on who puts the most gel in their hair.
til I came here.
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Hines Ward would have made the catch, but what does that prove???????
peace
T.Dawg
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So it is all on Kellen on that play?
most effed up things on the team came because of K2.
That's why you don't put a dude with a 6 on his wonderlic out there as a team leader.
Savage knew it. Mangini does too.
The BQ Lover crowd loved him tho, cuz he said he was tough, said he played hurt, said he was the best TE in the whole NFL.
Most importantly he was a hot piece of man-meat, so that means he has the "IT FACTOR" too
Funny, the people who believed the K2 bullshit pussy fake injury and hard worker stories then.... are the same people who believe the same bullshit from BQ now.
Reality is, they just wanna get tag teamed by 'em.
most effed up things on the team came because of K2.
That's why you don't put a dude with a 6 on his wonderlic out there as a team leader.
Savage knew it. Mangini does too.
The BQ Lover crowd loved him tho, cuz he said he was tough, said he played hurt, said he was the best TE in the whole NFL.
Most importantly he was a hot piece of man-meat, so that means he has the "IT FACTOR" too
Funny, the people who believed the K2 bullshit pussy fake injury and hard worker stories then.... are the same people who believe the same bullshit from BQ now.
Reality is, they just wanna get tag teamed by 'em.
Did you actually bring something relevent to this post?
Did KW actually have a 6 on his wonderlic? Even a 16 would explain alot about his staph infection.
You better find a new hero other than DA if your a Browns fan, this new team is gonna require that you like the whole Browns team!
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He should have caught the ball.
While I agree kw2 or any nfl WR/TE for that matter shoulda caught the ball DA has a bad tendency to lead our guys into very hard hits in order to catch in covered lanes while uncovered WR/RBs are wide open...sore injured WR/TEs have a tendency to lash back at a QB that is making bad decisions by throwing in a covered lane while someone else was wide open over and over again...
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Hey I luv this team. and if they decide DA is the starter im still going to cheer on the browns. Alot of u guys make fun of lum for loving Da when u are in love with Quinn?!?! its ok to have a favorite player. Just leave it the fuk alone and hate cincy shitburgh and the ratbirds as 1
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most effed up things on the team came because of K2.
That's why you don't put a dude with a 6 on his wonderlic out there as a team leader.
Savage knew it. Mangini does too.
The BQ Lover crowd loved him tho, cuz he said he was tough, said he played hurt, said he was the best TE in the whole NFL.
Most importantly he was a hot piece of man-meat, so that means he has the "IT FACTOR" too
Funny, the people who believed the K2 bullshit pussy fake injury and hard worker stories then.... are the same people who believe the same bullshit from BQ now.
Reality is, they just wanna get tag teamed by 'em.
Did you actually bring something relevent to this post?
Did KW actually have a 6 on his wonderlic? Even a 16 would explain alot about his staph infection.
You better find a new hero other than DA if your a Browns fan, this new team is gonna require that you like the whole Browns team!
Did KW actually have a 6 on his wonderlic? Even a 16 would explain alot about his staph infection.
KW was listed as having an actual score of 12.
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@jadbf said:
Stan I actually agree with you that he should have caught it. However, that doesn't change the fact that it was a poor decision by the QB and one that could have gotten the reciever hurt. So if Kellen catches that and Lewis knocks him out with a concussion on a hard hit. my opinion is still the same. That was the wrong throw to make.Two things here... 1.) Give some credit to the defense. The twist up front was perfectly timed. The Ravens are showing zone, with a 330lb Mike. Pre-snap, the quarterback is looking at an overload right (before the OLB flips inside). You've got DT, DE/OLB, and a second linebacker (Lewis) protected stacked behind the DE.
Your "hot" read is going to be where the blitz is coming from. Whenever you blitz, you have to blitz "from" somewhere. You're leaving a hole. In this case, the quarterback has to prepare for the likelihood that the overload backer is coming.
Conventional wisdom states your hot read is going to be the seam/curl pattern to the overload side. Add to that, that DA knows that Bannen can't get there. He's too slow.
But the Ravens did a great job anticipating the snap count, rolling that OLB inside just in time, and getting the O-line moving backwards. Interestingly, the Browns do a pretty good job of picking it up. Shaffer gets beat to the inside having to slide down a full man and pick up the DT. But, it's not like he comes through clean.
DA has immediate pressure at his feet. He jumps to his hot read.
2.) Mis-reading the coverage. Winslow gets a good look at the pre-snap. He's in motion and can measure the coverage on him. He picks up Bannen at mike. And when Lewis hitches up on the motion (stops dead when Winslow exits the tackle box), Winslow knows 2 things. He knows he's got zone coverage, and he's looking at a possible overload blitz to the trips side.
As he loses sight of Lewis to reset in the trips, the Ravens change the look. They roll the DE/OLB inside square the defense, and send the mike off the twist, leaving what was the overload backer in the curl zone.
His key has to be the overload backer. He misses it. He's presumably watching Bannen, or running with his eyes closed. He's got to see Lewis standing in the zone. He has hitch up that pattern, go to the two yard curl, or at the very least throttle down that seam route. Anderson won't back-shoulder that throw. He doesn't have time to look for the trailer. This is a sight adjustment by Anderson. Once he goes "hot", he's just looking for 8-0, and he's going to throw the ball right between the 8 and the 0... with mustard. It's the receiver's job to find empty space. Anderson's just going to snap his head to scan the area Winslow can be, and zip!
Now, Winslow apparently read blitz. Otherwise, that ball would've hit him right in the back of the head. But why he ran that little banana seam route right into the coverage is beyond me. Yeah, yeah, he needs to get the first down. But, the defense has you beat. Settle down, take the catch, and beat the man for the first down. You can't scheme a first down, if you lost the scheme vs. scheme battle on that play. It becomes a players' battle at that point.
And can we talk about how poorly Jason Wright read that blitz? Sheesh. If DA feels Jay come underneath, he might finish his drop and find that open cross route in the empty zone. But when DA's got pressure right in front of him, and blitz pickup help is hanging around the perimeter looking to wing a DE, he's got to fire that sucker out of there. When Wright doesn't enter his field of vision, the only thing he can assume, is that there is more pressure coming behind him. RED ALERT!!! Get it out of your hands, man!
Altogether, it was a great defensive play. But there were a couple of breakdowns. But Anderson isn't really among them. He did his job.
-jj
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@jadbf said:
Stan I actually agree with you that he should have caught it. However, that doesn't change the fact that it was a poor decision by the QB and one that could have gotten the reciever hurt. So if Kellen catches that and Lewis knocks him out with a concussion on a hard hit. my opinion is still the same. That was the wrong throw to make.Two things here... 1.) Give some credit to the defense. The twist up front was perfectly timed. The Ravens are showing zone, with a 330lb Mike. Pre-snap, the quarterback is looking at an overload right (before the OLB flips inside). You've got DT, DE/OLB, and a second linebacker (Lewis) protected stacked behind the DE.
Your "hot" read is going to be where the blitz is coming from. Whenever you blitz, you have to blitz "from" somewhere. You're leaving a hole. In this case, the quarterback has to prepare for the likelihood that the overload backer is coming.
Conventional wisdom states your hot read is going to be the seam/curl pattern to the overload side. Add to that, that DA knows that Bannen can't get there. He's too slow.
But the Ravens did a great job anticipating the snap count, rolling that OLB inside just in time, and getting the O-line moving backwards. Interestingly, the Browns do a pretty good job of picking it up. Shaffer gets beat to the inside having to slide down a full man and pick up the DT. But, it's not like he comes through clean.
DA has immediate pressure at his feet. He jumps to his hot read.
2.) Mis-reading the coverage. Winslow gets a good look at the pre-snap. He's in motion and can measure the coverage on him. He picks up Bannen at mike. And when Lewis hitches up on the motion (stops dead when Winslow exits the tackle box), Winslow knows 2 things. He knows he's got zone coverage, and he's looking at a possible overload blitz to the trips side.
As he loses sight of Lewis to reset in the trips, the Ravens change the look. They roll the DE/OLB inside square the defense, and send the mike off the twist, leaving what was the overload backer in the curl zone.
His key has to be the overload backer. He misses it. He's presumably watching Bannen, or running with his eyes closed. He's got to see Lewis standing in the zone. He has hitch up that pattern, go to the two yard curl, or at the very least throttle down that seam route. Anderson won't back-shoulder that throw. He doesn't have time to look for the trailer. This is a sight adjustment by Anderson. Once he goes "hot", he's just looking for 8-0, and he's going to throw the ball right between the 8 and the 0... with mustard. It's the receiver's job to find empty space. Anderson's just going to snap his head to scan the area Winslow can be, and zip!
Now, Winslow apparently read blitz. Otherwise, that ball would've hit him right in the back of the head. But why he ran that little banana seam route right into the coverage is beyond me. Yeah, yeah, he needs to get the first down. But, the defense has you beat. Settle down, take the catch, and beat the man for the first down. You can't scheme a first down, if you lost the scheme vs. scheme battle on that play. It becomes a players' battle at that point.
And can we talk about how poorly Jason Wright read that blitz? Sheesh. If DA feels Jay come underneath, he might finish his drop and find that open cross route in the empty zone. But when DA's got pressure right in front of him, and blitz pickup help is hanging around the perimeter looking to wing a DE, he's got to fire that sucker out of there. When Wright doesn't enter his field of vision, the only thing he can assume, is that there is more pressure coming behind him. RED ALERT!!! Get it out of your hands, man!
Altogether, it was a great defensive play. But there were a couple of breakdowns. But Anderson isn't really among them. He did his job.
-jj
Two things here... 1.) Give some credit to the defense. The twist up front was perfectly timed. The Ravens are showing zone, with a 330lb Mike. Pre-snap, the quarterback is looking at an overload right (before the OLB flips inside). You've got DT, DE/OLB, and a second linebacker (Lewis) protected stacked behind the DE.
Your "hot" read is going to be where the blitz is coming from. Whenever you blitz, you have to blitz "from" somewhere. You're leaving a hole. In this case, the quarterback has to prepare for the likelihood that the overload backer is coming.
Conventional wisdom states your hot read is going to be the seam/curl pattern to the overload side. Add to that, that DA knows that Bannen can't get there. He's too slow.
But the Ravens did a great job anticipating the snap count, rolling that OLB inside just in time, and getting the O-line moving backwards. Interestingly, the Browns do a pretty good job of picking it up. Shaffer gets beat to the inside having to slide down a full man and pick up the DT. But, it's not like he comes through clean.
DA has immediate pressure at his feet. He jumps to his hot read.
2.) Mis-reading the coverage. Winslow gets a good look at the pre-snap. He's in motion and can measure the coverage on him. He picks up Bannen at mike. And when Lewis hitches up on the motion (stops dead when Winslow exits the tackle box), Winslow knows 2 things. He knows he's got zone coverage, and he's looking at a possible overload blitz to the trips side.
As he loses sight of Lewis to reset in the trips, the Ravens change the look. They roll the DE/OLB inside square the defense, and send the mike off the twist, leaving what was the overload backer in the curl zone.
His key has to be the overload backer. He misses it. He's presumably watching Bannen, or running with his eyes closed. He's got to see Lewis standing in the zone. He has hitch up that pattern, go to the two yard curl, or at the very least throttle down that seam route. Anderson won't back-shoulder that throw. He doesn't have time to look for the trailer. This is a sight adjustment by Anderson. Once he goes "hot", he's just looking for 8-0, and he's going to throw the ball right between the 8 and the 0... with mustard. It's the receiver's job to find empty space. Anderson's just going to snap his head to scan the area Winslow can be, and zip!
Now, Winslow apparently read blitz. Otherwise, that ball would've hit him right in the back of the head. But why he ran that little banana seam route right into the coverage is beyond me. Yeah, yeah, he needs to get the first down. But, the defense has you beat. Settle down, take the catch, and beat the man for the first down. You can't scheme a first down, if you lost the scheme vs. scheme battle on that play. It becomes a players' battle at that point.
And can we talk about how poorly Jason Wright read that blitz? Sheesh. If DA feels Jay come underneath, he might finish his drop and find that open cross route in the empty zone. But when DA's got pressure right in front of him, and blitz pickup help is hanging around the perimeter looking to wing a DE, he's got to fire that sucker out of there. When Wright doesn't enter his field of vision, the only thing he can assume, is that there is more pressure coming behind him. RED ALERT!!! Get it out of your hands, man!
Altogether, it was a great defensive play. But there were a couple of breakdowns. But Anderson isn't really among them. He did his job.
-jj
Thank you for this post! So many of the posters here think this is a junior high ball game where the play is preset and the QB looks for the open guy. In this game there are reads to make during the course of the play, after the ball is snapped, and the defense or the receivers can make a QB who is making the proper call based on what's actually occurring look like an idiot at times.
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@jadbf said:
Stan I actually agree with you that he should have caught it. However, that doesn't change the fact that it was a poor decision by the QB and one that could have gotten the reciever hurt. So if Kellen catches that and Lewis knocks him out with a concussion on a hard hit. my opinion is still the same. That was the wrong throw to make.Two things here... 1.) Give some credit to the defense. The twist up front was perfectly timed. The Ravens are showing zone, with a 330lb Mike. Pre-snap, the quarterback is looking at an overload right (before the OLB flips inside). You've got DT, DE/OLB, and a second linebacker (Lewis) protected stacked behind the DE.
Your "hot" read is going to be where the blitz is coming from. Whenever you blitz, you have to blitz "from" somewhere. You're leaving a hole. In this case, the quarterback has to prepare for the likelihood that the overload backer is coming.
Conventional wisdom states your hot read is going to be the seam/curl pattern to the overload side. Add to that, that DA knows that Bannen can't get there. He's too slow.
But the Ravens did a great job anticipating the snap count, rolling that OLB inside just in time, and getting the O-line moving backwards. Interestingly, the Browns do a pretty good job of picking it up. Shaffer gets beat to the inside having to slide down a full man and pick up the DT. But, it's not like he comes through clean.
DA has immediate pressure at his feet. He jumps to his hot read.
2.) Mis-reading the coverage. Winslow gets a good look at the pre-snap. He's in motion and can measure the coverage on him. He picks up Bannen at mike. And when Lewis hitches up on the motion (stops dead when Winslow exits the tackle box), Winslow knows 2 things. He knows he's got zone coverage, and he's looking at a possible overload blitz to the trips side.
As he loses sight of Lewis to reset in the trips, the Ravens change the look. They roll the DE/OLB inside square the defense, and send the mike off the twist, leaving what was the overload backer in the curl zone.
His key has to be the overload backer. He misses it. He's presumably watching Bannen, or running with his eyes closed. He's got to see Lewis standing in the zone. He has hitch up that pattern, go to the two yard curl, or at the very least throttle down that seam route. Anderson won't back-shoulder that throw. He doesn't have time to look for the trailer. This is a sight adjustment by Anderson. Once he goes "hot", he's just looking for 8-0, and he's going to throw the ball right between the 8 and the 0... with mustard. It's the receiver's job to find empty space. Anderson's just going to snap his head to scan the area Winslow can be, and zip!
Now, Winslow apparently read blitz. Otherwise, that ball would've hit him right in the back of the head. But why he ran that little banana seam route right into the coverage is beyond me. Yeah, yeah, he needs to get the first down. But, the defense has you beat. Settle down, take the catch, and beat the man for the first down. You can't scheme a first down, if you lost the scheme vs. scheme battle on that play. It becomes a players' battle at that point.
And can we talk about how poorly Jason Wright read that blitz? Sheesh. If DA feels Jay come underneath, he might finish his drop and find that open cross route in the empty zone. But when DA's got pressure right in front of him, and blitz pickup help is hanging around the perimeter looking to wing a DE, he's got to fire that sucker out of there. When Wright doesn't enter his field of vision, the only thing he can assume, is that there is more pressure coming behind him. RED ALERT!!! Get it out of your hands, man!
Altogether, it was a great defensive play. But there were a couple of breakdowns. But Anderson isn't really among them. He did his job.
-jj
Two things here... 1.) Give some credit to the defense. The twist up front was perfectly timed. The Ravens are showing zone, with a 330lb Mike. Pre-snap, the quarterback is looking at an overload right (before the OLB flips inside). You've got DT, DE/OLB, and a second linebacker (Lewis) protected stacked behind the DE.
Your "hot" read is going to be where the blitz is coming from. Whenever you blitz, you have to blitz "from" somewhere. You're leaving a hole. In this case, the quarterback has to prepare for the likelihood that the overload backer is coming.
Conventional wisdom states your hot read is going to be the seam/curl pattern to the overload side. Add to that, that DA knows that Bannen can't get there. He's too slow.
But the Ravens did a great job anticipating the snap count, rolling that OLB inside just in time, and getting the O-line moving backwards. Interestingly, the Browns do a pretty good job of picking it up. Shaffer gets beat to the inside having to slide down a full man and pick up the DT. But, it's not like he comes through clean.
DA has immediate pressure at his feet. He jumps to his hot read.
2.) Mis-reading the coverage. Winslow gets a good look at the pre-snap. He's in motion and can measure the coverage on him. He picks up Bannen at mike. And when Lewis hitches up on the motion (stops dead when Winslow exits the tackle box), Winslow knows 2 things. He knows he's got zone coverage, and he's looking at a possible overload blitz to the trips side.
As he loses sight of Lewis to reset in the trips, the Ravens change the look. They roll the DE/OLB inside square the defense, and send the mike off the twist, leaving what was the overload backer in the curl zone.
His key has to be the overload backer. He misses it. He's presumably watching Bannen, or running with his eyes closed. He's got to see Lewis standing in the zone. He has hitch up that pattern, go to the two yard curl, or at the very least throttle down that seam route. Anderson won't back-shoulder that throw. He doesn't have time to look for the trailer. This is a sight adjustment by Anderson. Once he goes "hot", he's just looking for 8-0, and he's going to throw the ball right between the 8 and the 0... with mustard. It's the receiver's job to find empty space. Anderson's just going to snap his head to scan the area Winslow can be, and zip!
Now, Winslow apparently read blitz. Otherwise, that ball would've hit him right in the back of the head. But why he ran that little banana seam route right into the coverage is beyond me. Yeah, yeah, he needs to get the first down. But, the defense has you beat. Settle down, take the catch, and beat the man for the first down. You can't scheme a first down, if you lost the scheme vs. scheme battle on that play. It becomes a players' battle at that point.
And can we talk about how poorly Jason Wright read that blitz? Sheesh. If DA feels Jay come underneath, he might finish his drop and find that open cross route in the empty zone. But when DA's got pressure right in front of him, and blitz pickup help is hanging around the perimeter looking to wing a DE, he's got to fire that sucker out of there. When Wright doesn't enter his field of vision, the only thing he can assume, is that there is more pressure coming behind him. RED ALERT!!! Get it out of your hands, man!
Altogether, it was a great defensive play. But there were a couple of breakdowns. But Anderson isn't really among them. He did his job.
-jj
TRANSLATION: Catch the fucking ball, take the hit, and line-up as you continue to STFU.
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Changing gears, who has the scoop on OBR's insiders blog titled "Crisis at QB"? I think its under the "what we've been told" category.
Probably some story on how Mangini "secretly likes Ratliff to start".
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@shepwrite said:
Ate, that's the worst analysis of a play I've ever read.No Analysis, just football 101 ... catch the freaking ball, take the hit, and STFU.
No Analysis, just football 101 ... catch the freaking ball, take the hit, and STFU.
That's nice, but why do you refuse to acknowledge that DA's throw was a TERRIBLE decision?
I'm all for DA starting if he wins the job and I have a ton of reservations about Quinn. Quinn didn't impress me, even before he broke his finger, in his short stint on the field and am not willing to just hand him the keys to the franchise and let him run with it.
But, please, call it how it is. Should Kellen have caught the ball? Of course. Should DA have made a better decision? Absolutely.
Like I said ... I don't care who is throwing the football, I expect our TE's to secure that ball away and certainly not cough it up for an interception.
This is probably the funniest thing I have read in this thread.
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