Does preseason mean anything?
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The preseason games mean one thing, and one thing only: additional revenue for the owners.
Gip- the owners really don't get that much additional revenue from preseason. It is a chance to separate the wheat (Avery) from the chaff (Coleman).
Gip- the owners really don't get that much additional revenue from preseason. It is a chance to separate the wheat (Avery) from the chaff (Coleman).
Plus you can get ready for week 1, just hitting each other in camp doesn't do it.
They've kicked around maybe 3 weeks but at least it's not 6 any more!
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preseason from Pluto https://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/08/cleveland_browns_fools_gold_or.html#incart_river_index add a Nay vote on Pez holder
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Myles Garrett doesn't look like a human-being. I watched him before the game when he was practicing his "get off" and I've literally never seen such speed. Ironically, Myles' speed hasn't been his best asset, rather his power is what has been giving everyone fits. Myles' patented "bend super low and scream around the corner" move looks nice, but it seems very easy to avoid, as we've seen countless QBs simply step up to avoid pressure and fire the ball down the field to an open guy who invariably defeated our meager secondary.
Fast forward to now, and Myles isn't using that speed move nearly as much (in very limited action so far). No, instead we've seen Myles utilizing his near mythical power to immediately march his lineman back to the QB and disrupting the pocket. I mean, a couple times Myles just completely blew his guy up against the Eagles. Now, I'm pumping the brakes a little bit because this occurred against a backup (a stout, experienced backup, but still a backup), so it's one thing to accomplish this against him, and another to do it against Taylor Lewan.
Still, it was one of the most impressive preseason performances I can think of by a Browns player, and it bothered the OL immensely, even prompting him to tell the media, "I got my butt whipped." That's not something these guys are used to saying btw. Don't get me wrong, Myles still employed the speed-edge move a few times, and I believe it lead to a sack because it chased the QB off his spot and Ogunjobi finished it off.
There will be many QBs we face that are much more mobile and able to make plays in and out of the pocket. Myles getting pressure is great, but it won't matter nearly as much unless we get pressure from the other side. This was one of the reasons many fans were so enamored with the idea of drafting Bradley Chubb. We get pressure from both sides, and QB has virtually no way out. This was on full display all too often last year when Myles would force the QB out, only to have him easily roll out and fire the ball to an open dude. It was especially evident after Ogbah broke his foot. When we drafted Denzel Ward, we placed a very large wager on Ogbah. Many analysts and fans were astounded that Chubb fell to us, and it seemed like a natural choice to take him and pair him up opposite Garrett.
Obviously, we elected not to go that route, and instead took the best CB in Ward. There's no denying our dire need for an upgraded secondary, but the selection was still seen as a bit of a reach. As we now know, we didn't have any willing trade offers, at least any that suited our wishes, so we stayed put and were able to take our top QB and our top NON-QB. How many times has a team been able to do THAT? Ward looks to be a very solid pick early on, but I really worry about his durability. Regardless, we need to hope that both he and Ogbah can remain healthy in order for our plan to work out, and that's asking a lot because people get injured ALL the time in the NFL. Still, every team needs a little luck, and maybe we'll manage to find OURS for a change.
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They were practicing.
True, but if the Eagles took it to us, the press would be talking about how great they looked (even in preseason). The only thing I can say is continue dominating and see where it takes us. Last year, we won all of our preason games, but we did not have even close to the same level of talent. And against the teams starters, we got dominated. We had to come back and win in the 3rd and 4th quarters. This year, we more than held our own in the quarters that counts. I'm not saying that we win so many games, but we will be much improved.
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When Myles Garrett said shutting out the Eagles means something, you see, it doesn't matter what the analytics say about preseason. What matters is that something in his performance against the Eagles made him proud, gave him confidence, gave him a dose of self-realization. He is one beaming Zumba instructor, but he isn't beaming from Sockiness. This, to me, is a growth moment for the kid. Yeah, he is proud of his performance, but a part of his spunk is that he sees what his perfomance can mean in a few weeks.
I believe we produce in life largely based on our confidence level and belief in ourselves. Surely, talent could not have been the missing ingredient over the past 18 years with this team. 18 years and our talent all sucked? I don't buy it.
Some schidt has changed with this team. I first noticed it when I saw the player reaction to Jarvis making a 1-handed catch on Hard Knocks. Yeah, plenty of people do that. But again, the meaning of it only applies to those witnessing it. When people are around excellence and excitement, it is natural for them to get off their own axx, and want to grab their part of it. You can bark at a guy all day long and not get any reaction out of him. However, when he sees and hears the reactions of those witnessing a great play, the natural tendency, in all of us, is that we want to be a part of that excitement.
Whether this is something new for the Browns, or if it is routine and I just have not been able to watch since I am in sports schidtown, I don't know. Maybe it was this way in past years, I don't know. HOWEVER............what I can tell you is that this is the first time that I have got caught up in the possibilities. his is the first season when things that matter to a guy like Garrett matter to me.
What a gas it would be to see the Browns beat the schidt out of the Raiders in my soon to be home,,,in Vegas. If things keep rolling along, I fly you all out and get you all drunk one day.
Go Browns. I think perhaps we have finally arrived. I sure hope so.
What a gas it would be to see the Browns beat the schidt out of the Raiders in my soon to be home,,,in Vegas. If things keep rolling along, I fly you all out and get you all drunk one day.
Go Browns. I think perhaps we have finally arrived. I sure hope so.
And don't forget the Steelers to open the season. Winning this game means everything to the Browns. Confidence, Swagger, and the belief that we can go as far as we want to.
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Myles Garrett doesn't look like a human-being. I watched him before the game when he was practicing his "get off" and I've literally never seen such speed. Ironically, Myles' speed hasn't been his best asset, rather his power is what has been giving everyone fits. Myles' patented "bend super low and scream around the corner" move looks nice, but it seems very easy to avoid, as we've seen countless QBs simply step up to avoid pressure and fire the ball down the field to an open guy who invariably defeated our meager secondary.
Fast forward to now, and Myles isn't using that speed move nearly as much (in very limited action so far). No, instead we've seen Myles utilizing his near mythical power to immediately march his lineman back to the QB and disrupting the pocket. I mean, a couple times Myles just completely blew his guy up against the Eagles. Now, I'm pumping the brakes a little bit because this occurred against a backup (a stout, experienced backup, but still a backup), so it's one thing to accomplish this against him, and another to do it against Taylor Lewan.
Still, it was one of the most impressive preseason performances I can think of by a Browns player, and it bothered the OL immensely, even prompting him to tell the media, "I got my butt whipped." That's not something these guys are used to saying btw. Don't get me wrong, Myles still employed the speed-edge move a few times, and I believe it lead to a sack because it chased the QB off his spot and Ogunjobi finished it off.
There will be many QBs we face that are much more mobile and able to make plays in and out of the pocket. Myles getting pressure is great, but it won't matter nearly as much unless we get pressure from the other side. This was one of the reasons many fans were so enamored with the idea of drafting Bradley Chubb. We get pressure from both sides, and QB has virtually no way out. This was on full display all too often last year when Myles would force the QB out, only to have him easily roll out and fire the ball to an open dude. It was especially evident after Ogbah broke his foot. When we drafted Denzel Ward, we placed a very large wager on Ogbah. Many analysts and fans were astounded that Chubb fell to us, and it seemed like a natural choice to take him and pair him up opposite Garrett.
Obviously, we elected not to go that route, and instead took the best CB in Ward. There's no denying our dire need for an upgraded secondary, but the selection was still seen as a bit of a reach. As we now know, we didn't have any willing trade offers, at least any that suited our wishes, so we stayed put and were able to take our top QB and our top NON-QB. How many times has a team been able to do THAT? Ward looks to be a very solid pick early on, but I really worry about his durability. Regardless, we need to hope that both he and Ogbah can remain healthy in order for our plan to work out, and that's asking a lot because people get injured ALL the time in the NFL. Still, every team needs a little luck, and maybe we'll manage to find OURS for a change.
When we drafted Denzel Ward, we placed a very large wager on Ogbah. Many analysts and fans were astounded that Chubb fell to us, and it seemed like a natural choice to take him and pair him up opposite Garrett.
Obviously, we elected not to go that route, and instead took the best CB in Ward. There's no denying our dire need for an upgraded secondary, but the selection was still seen as a bit of a reach. As we now know, we didn't have any willing trade offers, at least any that suited our wishes, so we stayed put and were able to take our top QB and our top NON-QB. How many times has a team been able to do THAT? Ward looks to be a very solid pick early on, but I really worry about his durability. Regardless, we need to hope that both he and Ogbah can remain healthy in order for our plan to work out, and that's asking a lot because people get injured ALL the time in the NFL. Still, every team needs a little luck, and maybe we'll manage to find OURS for a change.
FWIW Jigs, Gregg Williams said he found 28 plays last year where Garrett was within 1-1.5 steps from a sack where if they could have covered WRs that much longer he would have shattered the NFL record for sacks in the 11 games or so he appeared in. Keep in mind what this step translates to in length of time. We're talking a tenth of a second or 2.
The Rent-A-Wreck corners we were counting on weren't giving us those extra tenths of a second so there was far more rationale behind the decision to take our pick of corner. You still have to remember there's WRs like Antonio Brown and AJ Green and Michael Crabtree in this division. Last opener we held Bell to about 3 yards a carry - AB delivered a game long knockout blow with over 180 yards receiving and countless backbreaking receptions to extend drives. There's QBs at this level that can render outside pass rushes meaningless with quick throw precision all game long especially if they're facing the type of secondary we fielded all last season. When Williams replied "Because Chubb can't cover anyone" it wasn't long after he made his comments about the 28 plays that could have been Myles Garrett sacks if we could just cover someone/anyone a little longer. And again, that means a tenth of a second or 2 longer.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Some of you have gotten off the path. Sometimes I assume far greater intellect than this board is capable of. Please forgive me for over-estimating you jackoffs.
Let me explain what this post is about...................... it is NOT a call to analyze Pre Season.................you idiots. Instead, it has to do with where, when and how a man comes to self-realization. It was meant as a conversation about how sometimes the smallest, seemingly insignificant moments can change the course of a man's future, and in this case, the Browns team.
The comment I made was that Myles Garrett. a guy I have placed a high, high bar to get back into my good graces, did something I thought we should take note of. He felt a sense of accomplishment. But to my assessment, not a bold, selfish one in which the guy seemed to say to himself........................ Hey, if I sacked the champs, there is no reason we can't do this all the time, no matter who we play.
Instead of you idiots focusing on what this moment might have meant to Myles and the momentum of the team, many of you instead, like sheep, went on yet another mindless journey of analytical mental masturbation, this one, picking apart what the Pre Season is all about.
You guys really are incapable of comprehending anything that is not simplistic and like Grranimals color-coded kids clothing, spelled out for you simplistically. aren't you?
Idiots.
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Yes confidence is good. But it means nothing without talent. Landry is talent. We need more guys like him that have actual talent. That way there will be something to get excited about.
Yes confidence is good. But it means nothing without talent. Landry is talent. We need more guys like him that have actual talent. That way there will be something to get excited about.
Agreed. The observation I experienced was that finally there seems to be emotion on the sidelines. A guy like that makes a play, and now you have guys jealous of the accolades. Hopefully raising their intensity to get their piece of the ooooohs and ahhhhs. Talent without emotion and passion is generally wasted talent.
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The preseason games mean one thing, and one thing only: additional revenue for the owners.
Gip- the owners really don't get that much additional revenue from preseason. It is a chance to separate the wheat (Avery) from the chaff (Coleman).
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Does preseason mean anything?
4-0 last year.
I think you have to understand how to read the preseason. If you look at how our starters matched up against our opponent's starters then you might be able to extrapolate some meaning from that. But if you look at it and see that we won, but did not see that it was the Future Pizza Makers of America that actually won the game (the 3rd, 4th stringers in the 4th quarter) then you may come up with the wrong conclusion.
Our preseasons are always complicated by the fact that we're always learning a new offense, or defense, or both.......and/or new coaches. This year we've got lots of new players, new OC (and more), new playbook, new QB's... Wow! Enough to make your head spin. We never seem to 'flow' from one season to the next.
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Some of you have gotten off the path. Sometimes I assume far greater intellect than this board is capable of. Please forgive me for over-estimating you jackoffs.
Let me explain what this post is about...................... it is NOT a call to analyze Pre Season.................you idiots. Instead, it has to do with where, when and how a man comes to self-realization. It was meant as a conversation about how sometimes the smallest, seemingly insignificant moments can change the course of a man's future, and in this case, the Browns team.
The comment I made was that Myles Garrett. a guy I have placed a high, high bar to get back into my good graces, did something I thought we should take note of. He felt a sense of accomplishment. But to my assessment, not a bold, selfish one in which the guy seemed to say to himself........................ Hey, if I sacked the champs, there is no reason we can't do this all the time, no matter who we play.
Instead of you idiots focusing on what this moment might have meant to Myles and the momentum of the team, many of you instead, like sheep, went on yet another mindless journey of analytical mental masturbation, this one, picking apart what the Pre Season is all about.
You guys really are incapable of comprehending anything that is not simplistic and like Grranimals color-coded kids clothing, spelled out for you simplistically. aren't you?
Idiots.
The comment I made was that Myles Garrett. a guy I have placed a high, high bar to get back into my good graces, did something I thought we should take note of.
I got your high bar right here! Your high bars called Joe Thomas the worst pick in franchise history while Paxton Lynch was THE football messiah of his draft class. Yeah, he's almost as good as the last pick of a draft class - Chad Kelly.
Your high bar said Garrett was a pussy that's going to get his asss kicked in the NFL.
And this year you typed you wanted a QB first like you've typed every year until we took one and then you cried you didn't get your RB Barkley.
One week you're posting that you're telling off Steeler fans - the next week you're Roethlisbooger's biggest fan excited to see how much he beats us by next. You're in your mid 60s acting like this...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
When we drafted Denzel Ward, we placed a very large wager on Ogbah. Many analysts and fans were astounded that Chubb fell to us, and it seemed like a natural choice to take him and pair him up opposite Garrett.
Obviously, we elected not to go that route, and instead took the best CB in Ward. There's no denying our dire need for an upgraded secondary, but the selection was still seen as a bit of a reach. As we now know, we didn't have any willing trade offers, at least any that suited our wishes, so we stayed put and were able to take our top QB and our top NON-QB. How many times has a team been able to do THAT? Ward looks to be a very solid pick early on, but I really worry about his durability. Regardless, we need to hope that both he and Ogbah can remain healthy in order for our plan to work out, and that's asking a lot because people get injured ALL the time in the NFL. Still, every team needs a little luck, and maybe we'll manage to find OURS for a change.
FWIW Jigs, Gregg Williams said he found 28 plays last year where Garrett was within 1-1.5 steps from a sack where if they could have covered WRs that much longer he would have shattered the NFL record for sacks in the 11 games or so he appeared in. Keep in mind what this step translates to in length of time. We're talking a tenth of a second or 2.
The Rent-A-Wreck corners we were counting on weren't giving us those extra tenths of a second so there was far more rationale behind the decision to take our pick of corner. You still have to remember there's WRs like Antonio Brown and AJ Green and Michael Crabtree in this division. Last opener we held Bell to about 3 yards a carry - AB delivered a game long knockout blow with over 180 yards receiving and countless backbreaking receptions to extend drives. There's QBs at this level that can render outside pass rushes meaningless with quick throw precision all game long especially if they're facing the type of secondary we fielded all last season. When Williams replied "Because Chubb can't cover anyone" it wasn't long after he made his comments about the 28 plays that could have been Myles Garrett sacks if we could just cover someone/anyone a little longer. And again, that means a tenth of a second or 2 longer.
FWIW Jigs, Gregg Williams said he found 28 plays last year where Garrett was within 1-1.5 steps from a sack where if they could have covered WRs that much longer he would have shattered the NFL record for sacks in the 11 games or so he appeared in. Keep in mind what this step translates to in length of time. We're talking a tenth of a second or 2.
The Rent-A-Wreck corners we were counting on weren't giving us those extra tenths of a second so there was far more rationale behind the decision to take our pick of corner. You still have to remember there's WRs like Antonio Brown and AJ Green and Michael Crabtree in this division. Last opener we held Bell to about 3 yards a carry - AB delivered a game long knockout blow with over 180 yards receiving and countless backbreaking receptions to extend drives. There's QBs at this level that can render outside pass rushes meaningless with quick throw precision all game long especially if they're facing the type of secondary we fielded all last season. When Williams replied "Because Chubb can't cover anyone" it wasn't long after he made his comments about the 28 plays that could have been Myles Garrett sacks if we could just cover someone/anyone a little longer. And again, that means a tenth of a second or 2 longer.
I hear what you're saying, and I totally agree with our selection. I just hope Ward can be available, ya know?
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The comment I made was that Myles Garrett. a guy I have placed a high, high bar to get back into my good graces, did something I thought we should take note of.
I got your high bar right here! Your high bars called Joe Thomas the worst pick in franchise history while Paxton Lynch was THE football messiah of his draft class. Yeah, he's almost as good as the last pick of a draft class - Chad Kelly.
Your high bar said Garrett was a pussy that's going to get his asss kicked in the NFL.
And this year you typed you wanted a QB first like you've typed every year until we took one and then you cried you didn't get your RB Barkley.
One week you're posting that you're telling off Steeler fans - the next week you're Roethlisbooger's biggest fan excited to see how much he beats us by next. You're in your mid 60s acting like this...
I got your high bar right here! Your high bars called Joe Thomas the worst pick in franchise history while Paxton Lynch was THE football messiah of his draft class. Yeah, he's almost as good as the last pick of a draft class - Chad Kelly.
Your high bar said Garrett was a pussy that's going to get his asss kicked in the NFL.
And this year you typed you wanted a QB first like you've typed every year until we took one and then you cried you didn't get your RB Barkley.
One week you're posting that you're telling off Steeler fans - the next week you're Roethlisbooger's biggest fan excited to see how much he beats us by next. You're in your mid 60s acting like this...
Joe Thomas WAS the WORst #1 #1 pick in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE NFL DRAFT.
You cannot name one-single offensive statistic that improved when Joe Thomas played. He made no measurable difference. Even turd Willie Green did something that could be measured. When Joe Thomas got hurt last year, you cannot point to one single offensive parameter that got worse. He was replacd with a nobody, and the team performance stayed the same.
Joe Thomas was a piece of useless schidt.
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When we drafted Denzel Ward, we placed a very large wager on Ogbah. Many analysts and fans were astounded that Chubb fell to us, and it seemed like a natural choice to take him and pair him up opposite Garrett.
Obviously, we elected not to go that route, and instead took the best CB in Ward. There's no denying our dire need for an upgraded secondary, but the selection was still seen as a bit of a reach. As we now know, we didn't have any willing trade offers, at least any that suited our wishes, so we stayed put and were able to take our top QB and our top NON-QB. How many times has a team been able to do THAT? Ward looks to be a very solid pick early on, but I really worry about his durability. Regardless, we need to hope that both he and Ogbah can remain healthy in order for our plan to work out, and that's asking a lot because people get injured ALL the time in the NFL. Still, every team needs a little luck, and maybe we'll manage to find OURS for a change.
FWIW Jigs, Gregg Williams said he found 28 plays last year where Garrett was within 1-1.5 steps from a sack where if they could have covered WRs that much longer he would have shattered the NFL record for sacks in the 11 games or so he appeared in. Keep in mind what this step translates to in length of time. We're talking a tenth of a second or 2.
The Rent-A-Wreck corners we were counting on weren't giving us those extra tenths of a second so there was far more rationale behind the decision to take our pick of corner. You still have to remember there's WRs like Antonio Brown and AJ Green and Michael Crabtree in this division. Last opener we held Bell to about 3 yards a carry - AB delivered a game long knockout blow with over 180 yards receiving and countless backbreaking receptions to extend drives. There's QBs at this level that can render outside pass rushes meaningless with quick throw precision all game long especially if they're facing the type of secondary we fielded all last season. When Williams replied "Because Chubb can't cover anyone" it wasn't long after he made his comments about the 28 plays that could have been Myles Garrett sacks if we could just cover someone/anyone a little longer. And again, that means a tenth of a second or 2 longer.
FWIW Jigs, Gregg Williams said he found 28 plays last year where Garrett was within 1-1.5 steps from a sack where if they could have covered WRs that much longer he would have shattered the NFL record for sacks in the 11 games or so he appeared in. Keep in mind what this step translates to in length of time. We're talking a tenth of a second or 2.
He also found 28 times where Corey Coleman was just 1 catch away from hanging on to the ball. Als noteworthy he found 132 times where Kizer was within 1 - 1.5 feet from making a catchable pass.
I think you are on to something Flugel. The Browns draft people that ALMOST make plays.
he Steelers are going to pop this puss pimple on opening day.
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The comment I made was that Myles Garrett. a guy I have placed a high, high bar to get back into my good graces, did something I thought we should take note of.
I got your high bar right here! Your high bars called Joe Thomas the worst pick in franchise history while Paxton Lynch was THE football messiah of his draft class. Yeah, he's almost as good as the last pick of a draft class - Chad Kelly.
Your high bar said Garrett was a pussy that's going to get his asss kicked in the NFL.
And this year you typed you wanted a QB first like you've typed every year until we took one and then you cried you didn't get your RB Barkley.
One week you're posting that you're telling off Steeler fans - the next week you're Roethlisbooger's biggest fan excited to see how much he beats us by next. You're in your mid 60s acting like this...
I got your high bar right here! Your high bars called Joe Thomas the worst pick in franchise history while Paxton Lynch was THE football messiah of his draft class. Yeah, he's almost as good as the last pick of a draft class - Chad Kelly.
Your high bar said Garrett was a pussy that's going to get his asss kicked in the NFL.
And this year you typed you wanted a QB first like you've typed every year until we took one and then you cried you didn't get your RB Barkley.
One week you're posting that you're telling off Steeler fans - the next week you're Roethlisbooger's biggest fan excited to see how much he beats us by next. You're in your mid 60s acting like this...
Good luck with the wall, pal.
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Chad Kelly is at this point ahead of Paxton Lynch for the backup job in Denver..
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Chad Kelly is at this point ahead of Paxton Lynch for the backup job in Denver..
Chad Kelly is at this point ahead of Paxton Lynch for the backup job in Denver..
It is not so much that Ghoolie was wrong about Paxton Lynch. That was just one guy. He is almost wrong about the players he falls in love with....and he wants us all then to have collective amnesia about them.
On the other hand, he and I have agreed about a few players: Bosa, Trubisky.
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I'll keep it real simple. This squad may not win more than 5-6 games, but one thing is extremely evident-there's some actual talent on the field this year. Between Landry and the offensive weapons and dudes like Garrett, watching the squad this year in preseason at least has promise. Last year it was a wet blanket other than our 3rd stringers playing harder than the other guys 3rd stringers to win games.
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