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  • Yep, OSU has produced a lot of DB talent recently. Variying success in the NFL, but it's still early for a lot of them. Lattimore has obviously been lights out.

    Hopefully Michigan is trending that way with DBs. Lewis, Hill and Peppers (plus some UDFAs from that secondary). We also had two of the top rated CBs in CFB returning for this year. It'll be interesting to see how this draft shakes out from our D.

    @mld-woody said:

    Yep, OSU has produced a lot of DB talent recently. Variying success in the NFL, but it's still early for a lot of them. Lattimore has obviously been lights out.

    Hopefully Michigan is trending that way with DBs. Lewis, Hill and Peppers (plus some UDFAs from that secondary). We also had two of the top rated CBs in CFB returning for this year. It'll be interesting to see how this draft shakes out from our D.

    I've always thought Peppers was so overrated. 

    I felt that Lewis was the best on that team.  

    Then again,  I'm just some schmuck on the interwebs 

  • Peppers should be selling cars or burgers.

  • I think a lot of people here are confused that there is in fact a difference between FS and SS.  Its the difference between Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor.

  • I think a lot of people here are confused that there is in fact a difference between FS and SS.  Its the difference between Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor.

    @flyin-j said:

    I think a lot of people here are confused that there is in fact a difference between FS and SS.  Its the difference between Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor.

    Depends on the defensive system and personnel demands.  Other times the differences aren't as drastic. 

  • Well lets look at SS on Greg Williams defense on the Rams....TJ McDonald, who is more of a LB than Kam Chancellor.

  • SS in the NFL is more often than not a LB/DB hybrid.  Theres Chancellor/McDonald, Keanu Neal, Jonathan Cyprien, Harrison Smith, Reshad Jones, Landon Collins, Kenny Vaccaro, TJ Ward.   A SS has to be able to play in the box, and play a 2 deep.  They need to cover TEs, and maybe a RB.    Theyre usually the guy on a D that will bring the big hit.  A FS has to be a great center fielder and generally stick to deep zones except when theres a heavy blitz and they man up.

  • I think a lot of people here are confused that there is in fact a difference between FS and SS.  Its the difference between Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor.

    @flyin-j said:

    I think a lot of people here are confused that there is in fact a difference between FS and SS.  Its the difference between Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor.

    Well....that is because the positions have now likely become confused.   Like in basketball.....look at LeBron say....a 6'8" versatile player.  He can be a point guard, a shooting guard, a small forward, a power forward,  could possibly even play the middle.   

    And DBs these days.....sometimes they have to do the traditional cornerback role, or the SS role, or the FS role.   Versatility now in being able to do all of the above is becoming the trend.   Can Peppers be that versatile guy?   Or must he be slotted into one of the traditional roles for him to live up to his potential and his reputation and his draft status?

  • SS in the NFL is more often than not a LB/DB hybrid.  Theres Chancellor/McDonald, Keanu Neal, Jonathan Cyprien, Harrison Smith, Reshad Jones, Landon Collins, Kenny Vaccaro, TJ Ward.   A SS has to be able to play in the box, and play a 2 deep.  They need to cover TEs, and maybe a RB.    Theyre usually the guy on a D that will bring the big hit.  A FS has to be a great center fielder and generally stick to deep zones except when theres a heavy blitz and they man up.

    @flyin-j said:

    SS in the NFL is more often than not a LB/DB hybrid.  Theres Chancellor/McDonald, Keanu Neal, Jonathan Cyprien, Harrison Smith, Reshad Jones, Landon Collins, Kenny Vaccaro, TJ Ward.   A SS has to be able to play in the box, and play a 2 deep.  They need to cover TEs, and maybe a RB.    Theyre usually the guy on a D that will bring the big hit.  A FS has to be a great center fielder and generally stick to deep zones except when theres a heavy blitz and they man up.

    right....versatility.

  • @flyin-j said:

    I think a lot of people here are confused that there is in fact a difference between FS and SS.  Its the difference between Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor.

    Well....that is because the positions have now likely become confused.   Like in basketball.....look at LeBron say....a 6'8" versatile player.  He can be a point guard, a shooting guard, a small forward, a power forward,  could possibly even play the middle.   

    And DBs these days.....sometimes they have to do the traditional cornerback role, or the SS role, or the FS role.   Versatility now in being able to do all of the above is becoming the trend.   Can Peppers be that versatile guy?   Or must he be slotted into one of the traditional roles for him to live up to his potential and his reputation and his draft status?

    @the-gipper said:

    Well....that is because the positions have now likely become confused.   Like in basketball.....look at LeBron say....a 6'8" versatile player.  He can be a point guard, a shooting guard, a small forward, a power forward,  could possibly even play the middle.   

    And DBs these days.....sometimes they have to do the traditional cornerback role, or the SS role, or the FS role.   Versatility now in being able to do all of the above is becoming the trend.   Can Peppers be that versatile guy?   Or must he be slotted into one of the traditional roles for him to live up to his potential and his reputation and his draft status?

    If a guy is great at multiple rolls then thats when you see them being moved around to play what benefits the team most in certain situations.  Maybe Peppers is better than our backup FS and in a cover 1 situation they could slide him over when Randalls out and play Kindred at SS.  I think he'll stick to SS until he gets better at coverage, but hes a very young player in another new position.  He'll get better.  

  • @baconhound said:

    Year #2 and he hasn’t distinguished himself from the other guys on the team, that says enough for me. 

    Well, considering when he returned from injury he was immediately running with the first team at SS tells me, maybe he has flashed enough to "distinguish" himself...

    @thenew23 said:

    Well, considering when he returned from injury he was immediately running with the first team at SS tells me, maybe he has flashed enough to "distinguish" himself...

    They brought in help in Randall and Kindred is still getting a decent amount of snaps.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Yep, OSU has produced a lot of DB talent recently. Variying success in the NFL, but it's still early for a lot of them. Lattimore has obviously been lights out.

    Hopefully Michigan is trending that way with DBs. Lewis, Hill and Peppers (plus some UDFAs from that secondary). We also had two of the top rated CBs in CFB returning for this year. It'll be interesting to see how this draft shakes out from our D.

    I've always thought Peppers was so overrated. 

    I felt that Lewis was the best on that team.  

    Then again,  I'm just some schmuck on the interwebs 

    @sd_tom said:

    Then again,  I'm just some schmuck on the interwebs 

    Don't sell yourself short...

    You are an exceptional schmuck.

  • @sd_tom said:

    Then again,  I'm just some schmuck on the interwebs 

    Don't sell yourself short...

    You are an exceptional schmuck.

    @tour2ma said:

    Don't sell yourself short...

    You are an exceptional schmuck.

    Ty Webb reference?

  • peppers natural position fit is SS, why he was played at free last year is still a mystery to me. He's the guy u use near the los who can still recover depth. The steelers were smart enough to put troy at SS instead of FS.....coach williams?

  • peppers natural position fit is SS, why he was played at free last year is still a mystery to me. He's the guy u use near the los who can still recover depth. The steelers were smart enough to put troy at SS instead of FS.....coach williams?

    @clevfan4life said:

    peppers natural position fit is SS, why he was played at free last year is still a mystery to me. He's the guy u use near the los who can still recover depth. The steelers were smart enough to put troy at SS instead of FS.....coach williams?

    cause are secondary sucked balls and he had no choice as it shows with the addition of players in the back peppers will play ss

  • kindred doesn't have the range peppers does, so peppers played deep

  • peppers natural position fit is SS, why he was played at free last year is still a mystery to me. He's the guy u use near the los who can still recover depth. The steelers were smart enough to put troy at SS instead of FS.....coach williams?

    @clevfan4life said:

    peppers natural position fit is SS, why he was played at free last year is still a mystery to me. He's the guy u use near the los who can still recover depth. The steelers were smart enough to put troy at SS instead of FS.....coach williams?

    Williams basically said, that while that deep safety wasn't Peps best position, he the best one at it on the roster last year