OUR "Hard Knocks" Thread
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watched the last 2 episodes last night...found them on a torrent site. Here's my takes from them...
1) Im not sure Haley gives a fuk about Gordon, I think he wants Dez in the building as might Dorsey. Im honestly shocked at how well Dez seemed to be received yet nothing came of it. Gotta have something to do with Hue's boner for Gordon.....
2) Nassib made the cut. I chronicled the solo run plays he made against the eagles starters in the 1st half of that game. He's a lock. Orchard.....yeah I dunno. I think Orchards future with the Browns may depend on Avery.
3) I fukkin love the sht between haley and Williams. Fuk this ghoolie sht about those guys being Hue's coffee fetchers. Not only is that kind of disrespectful...it kind of diminishes how cool this hard knocks is for the Browns.
4) Following up on that last part in 3, it would be fukkin righteous if the Browns produced a show and broadcast it locally for us yearly. Essentially the same kind of format. This would be awesome for the brand. If it's locally broadcast, I don't see why the NFL wouldn't let any teams do this for their fanbase.
5) Garrett is on his way to greatness if he stays healthy. That man's skillset is "elite". Power, speed, strength, hands...it's all there. I talked in another thread about issues I saw with some of our other DE's getting arms collapsed...in that last episode of the eagles game, there's awesome footage of Myles holding off the OL with one arm so he can use his other arm to disengage quickly. Since im not going to rehash this argument in another thread, if you have the game still on tape...watch how the eagles used just their receiving TE to block the left side while they were trying to help their RT with garrett. Kendricks in his scouting report in epi 4 said Ertz is bullsht if you get up into him...yet #86 is exactly who they used to block the LDE. I'll leave it there.
6) as hopeful as I am of things turning around, I don't think we all should get too excited about potential wins. The offense isn't there. The defense will be good early but will tire out as the season wears on. They're gonna be out there "a lot". They may outright win us a few games. Hopefully we can run the ball well and keep them off the field. But points wise, I don't think we should be expecting any high octane offense even with a guy like Landry. The big plays are gonna happen when teams bring more into the box and Landry can sneak behind them. Maybe Gordon changes that equation if he's right....but im not calculating him into anything I see. I can't. It absolutely sucks that we didn't have him in camp so we can see where we're truly at with our WR's. It's possible we could have had talks with Dez earlier and had time to groom a trio of Dez, Gordon and Landry with some real nice young talent in Calloway coming in. Gordon's sht kind of fuks us again for the umpteenth time. I love the guy....I feel for the guy, but god dammit.
watched the last 2 episodes last night...found them on a torrent site. Here's my takes from them...
1) Im not sure Haley gives a fuk about Gordon, I think he wants Dez in the building as might Dorsey. Im honestly shocked at how well Dez seemed to be received yet nothing came of it. Gotta have something to do with Hue's boner for Gordon.....
2) Nassib made the cut. I chronicled the solo run plays he made against the eagles starters in the 1st half of that game. He's a lock. Orchard.....yeah I dunno. I think Orchards future with the Browns may depend on Avery.
3) I fukkin love the sht between haley and Williams. Fuk this ghoolie sht about those guys being Hue's coffee fetchers. Not only is that kind of disrespectful...it kind of diminishes how cool this hard knocks is for the Browns.
4) Following up on that last part in 3, it would be fukkin righteous if the Browns produced a show and broadcast it locally for us yearly. Essentially the same kind of format. This would be awesome for the brand. If it's locally broadcast, I don't see why the NFL wouldn't let any teams do this for their fanbase.
5) Garrett is on his way to greatness if he stays healthy. That man's skillset is "elite". Power, speed, strength, hands...it's all there. I talked in another thread about issues I saw with some of our other DE's getting arms collapsed...in that last episode of the eagles game, there's awesome footage of Myles holding off the OL with one arm so he can use his other arm to disengage quickly. Since im not going to rehash this argument in another thread, if you have the game still on tape...watch how the eagles used just their receiving TE to block the left side while they were trying to help their RT with garrett. Kendricks in his scouting report in epi 4 said Ertz is bullsht if you get up into him...yet #86 is exactly who they used to block the LDE. I'll leave it there.
6) as hopeful as I am of things turning around, I don't think we all should get too excited about potential wins. The offense isn't there. The defense will be good early but will tire out as the season wears on. They're gonna be out there "a lot". They may outright win us a few games. Hopefully we can run the ball well and keep them off the field. But points wise, I don't think we should be expecting any high octane offense even with a guy like Landry. The big plays are gonna happen when teams bring more into the box and Landry can sneak behind them. Maybe Gordon changes that equation if he's right....but im not calculating him into anything I see. I can't. It absolutely sucks that we didn't have him in camp so we can see where we're truly at with our WR's. It's possible we could have had talks with Dez earlier and had time to groom a trio of Dez, Gordon and Landry with some real nice young talent in Calloway coming in. Gordon's sht kind of fuks us again for the umpteenth time. I love the guy....I feel for the guy, but god dammit.
Great write up Clevs! My advice to you is NEVER worry or apologize about putting a game face on for the season. My theory is if you show up to a fight thinking you're not supposed to win - you've just completely talked yourself out of the opportunity to win. If the 99 Rams listened to everybody following a 5-11 season - they wouldn't have won their division, the NFC Championship and the SB the very next season. The Eagles also finished last in their division in 2016. What did these 2 teams have in common? The made some ideal off season moves that jumper cabled themselves right out of park.
We don't know where the offense is yet especially considering how often we've seen Landry, Gordon, Callaway, Njoku and Hyde/Duke on the field at the same time. We have yet to see Zeitler suited up with the starting line-up. We went from a Pink Floyd "Is there anybody in there?" - to multiple choice of good guys to throw to. All of a sudden playing QB here doesn't seem so impossible. Refreshing? You bet!
I remember Nassib's first game with us. He was relentless. That's pretty much what Hard Knocks is showing us this year. This may sound outrageous - but his fun personality also inclusive of inner chest makes him a 2018 keeper. I am noticing that despite how tall he is - he keeps an ideal pad height that keeps his base/legs under him to perpetuate that competitive leverage. Forget last year, I think you might be right that he's outplaying Ogbah this year. You'll definitely get me to watch this more closely.
What might have sealed Orchard's fate were the 2 times nobody blocked him and he completely whiffed on gift wrapped sacks/tackles behind the line of scrimmage. He's still only listed at 255 lbs, which has made him a liability against the run from time to time. Seems like a lot of coaching staff and teammates want Orchard to make it. I found myself really pulling for him in that final preseason game he had a good game in. Unfortunately, that might have been too little too late for the expectation for his experience. I haven't really seen enough of the other DEs to know who's making the team and who isn't (ie; couldn't tell you a thing about Chris Smith we got from Cincy). The good news for some of them is Avery can now have Kendricks' roster spot as a LB (despite lining up on the edge on passing downs). Last year we were 3rd against the run in the AFC (7th in the NFL); but was that because nobody wasted time running on us when throwing on us was such a sure thing?
Garrett's showing why he was a 1st overall pick talent. Watching him play on 2 healthy ankles for the first since he's been here is a blast! Look how much that changes everything in the performance of our overall defense. This is just the beginning of it all too... Having corners that can challenge the quick throws this time around will also allow people notice his impact. That's why Gregg Williams wanted him some Ohio State with that #4 overall pick. When I explained the 28 examples Williams claimed Garrett was within 1-1.5 steps (1 tenth of a second) - it's why he wanted him some some Denzel Ward at #4 overall and was thrilled about Dorsey addressing our talent/depth at corner this off season.
The frustration about Gordon getting on the field over the years has been well documented in here. This was the first year Gordon made the decision to get clean and commit to that. In the past, he only got treatment (after being told he needed it) to fool people while keeping the same stupid plan he was just going to outsmart the drug testing process he's never outsmarted. The huge difference there could be just as huge on the field. For example, this is the first time he's eligible to play week 1. That's the guy I had always hoped we drafted. Someone that learned from his past and cherished the golden opportunity this franchise extended him. He's put a lot of work in on and off the field hoping to get back to a Pro Bowl level at just 27 years of age (w/ minimal wear and tear). This is probably the most excited I've ever been about the guy considering how often I used to post I wanted us to trade him.
Great point about Williams and Haley! One of the funniest things I saw was when Gregg Williams was welcoming Brad Paisley off to the side. He said something along the line of "Welcome! If you're allergic to the word PHUCK - you better have a prescription."
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i was rolling when williams screamed "well than u better block em" after haley yelled about his qb's having some down comforters thrown at em. Fukkin sht is great.
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i was rolling when williams screamed "well than u better block em" after haley yelled about his qb's having some down comforters thrown at em. Fukkin sht is great.
i was rolling when williams screamed "well than u better block em" after haley yelled about his qb's having some down comforters thrown at em. Fukkin sht is great.
Garrett just played "tag you're it". Not even a hit.
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i was rolling when williams screamed "well than u better block em" after haley yelled about his qb's having some down comforters thrown at em. Fukkin sht is great.
Garrett just played "tag you're it". Not even a hit.
Garrett just played "tag you're it". Not even a hit.
i think the altercation revolved around something nassib did, thats why nasdib and haley were jawing at each other
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Garrett just played "tag you're it". Not even a hit.
i think the altercation revolved around something nassib did, thats why nasdib and haley were jawing at each other
i think the altercation revolved around something nassib did, thats why nasdib and haley were jawing at each other
Yeah I think he shoved the OLineman right into the QB right after Haley bitched about his QB getting hit from a previous play.
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So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
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So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
its the browns dude. fukking watch. who cares about past seasons
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So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
its the browns dude. fukking watch. who cares about past seasons
its the browns dude. fukking watch. who cares about past seasons
I have watched this season, I was asking how it compared to the previous seasons.
Settle down, Francis.
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its the browns dude. fukking watch. who cares about past seasons
I have watched this season, I was asking how it compared to the previous seasons.
Settle down, Francis.
I have watched this season, I was asking how it compared to the previous seasons.
Settle down, Francis.
dont tell me settle down u settle down
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So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
I'm really torn. I have never missed a Hard Knocks episode since its inception and while I obviously like the look behind the curtain of my favorite team, there just seems to be a little something missing this year..... Hell, we're 4 episodes in and they have only mentioned Ward's name once, and that was last week when he got dinged..... the 4th overall pick has been absolutely invisible.
Maybe I was just too phuckin' geeked up this year and set myself up for disappointment with impossible expectations.... I don't know.
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So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
They've all been good and the basic formula hasn't changed...
- Follow the progress of a high draft pick (Baker).
- Develop human interest in a longshot (Cajuste).
- Develop human interest in a vet who is fighting for a job (Orchard).
- Follow the HC/GM and another "colorful" coach (Wylie).
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im disappointed by the fact we you wouldnt know some key players at key positions were on the team if u just watched the show. No pep, no schobert (starting mlb'er), no jamie, no meder or ogunjobi, no ogbah (starting LDE opposite garrett), no carlos, no duke, and a couple others. I know they cant do in depth sht with every single player....but talk to them. Let us hear from these guys for at least a min or two then concentrate on ur cool stories
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more cowbells & found more about Bob.. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/04/bob-wylie-hard-knocks-cleveland-browns ordered the mancave a pillow.. wrapping this week up in 1 hour? Good Luck!
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So I haven't watched Hard Knocks in forever, I think it might have been one of the times the Bengals were on there and they had drafted RT Andre Smith and he was a hold-out....
For you guys who have watched this show every year, how has this season compared? The same? Worse? Way more interesting? Boring?
I'm really torn. I have never missed a Hard Knocks episode since its inception and while I obviously like the look behind the curtain of my favorite team, there just seems to be a little something missing this year..... Hell, we're 4 episodes in and they have only mentioned Ward's name once, and that was last week when he got dinged..... the 4th overall pick has been absolutely invisible.
Maybe I was just too phuckin' geeked up this year and set myself up for disappointment with impossible expectations.... I don't know.
I'm really torn. I have never missed a Hard Knocks episode since its inception and while I obviously like the look behind the curtain of my favorite team, there just seems to be a little something missing this year..... Hell, we're 4 episodes in and they have only mentioned Ward's name once, and that was last week when he got dinged..... the 4th overall pick has been absolutely invisible.
Maybe I was just too phuckin' geeked up this year and set myself up for disappointment with impossible expectations.... I don't know.
They only have 5, 1 hour episodes. They can't talk to everyone. Also, it would be bad TV to jump around every week and not build any consistency, and rooting interests. There are players that would have been cool to highlight, but it is what it is.
That is probably the main downside, as a fan, of Hard Knocks being about your team. You already know so much about the team and you want this mini-series to go even more in depth on everything, but they can't.
For something like that we'd actually want to be features on Amazon's All or Nothing.
Also, the Building The Browns episodes on youtube aren't bad.
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Two things:
- I thought Hard Knocks ending with Baker walking onto the practice field was the perfect ending. Turns out the perfect ending was actually Williams pointing at his crotch yelling "Put your testicles in the C gap!"
- Williams and Hailey are made for one another. The offensive and defensive side of the same coin. We just need a general HC that can let them do their thing. That might be what Hue is.
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Two things:
- I thought Hard Knocks ending with Baker walking onto the practice field was the perfect ending. Turns out the perfect ending was actually Williams pointing at his crotch yelling "Put your testicles in the C gap!"
- Williams and Hailey are made for one another. The offensive and defensive side of the same coin. We just need a general HC that can let them do their thing. That might be what Hue is.
Two things:
- I thought Hard Knocks ending with Baker walking onto the practice field was the perfect ending. Turns out the perfect ending was actually Williams pointing at his crotch yelling "Put your testicles in the C gap!"
- Williams and Hailey are made for one another. The offensive and defensive side of the same coin. We just need a general HC that can let them do their thing. That might be what Hue is.
Agreed on williams and haley. love their intensity and personalities.
also, from a video editors perspective, the testicles in the c gap was just an awkward ending.
not much you can do when we cut ALL the featured guys. honestly, i would've talked to more guys and filmed more b-roll. I don't know that they didn't, but i feel like maybe you get an idea of what 8 of them are actually like, and i'd of liked more. I understand they had to edit it quick, but make it a little more emotionally powerful of an ending.
anyways, we look good, and i'm sure nassib will like tampa. i lived there for four years.
GO BROWNS!
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It was hard watching the cuts. I'm sure HBO wanted one of their highlighted bubble guys to make it, but it's not just reality TV ... it's real.
I hope Orchard gets back on an NFL roster.
I think we'll see Brokeback and Cajuste in the spring league trying to get better ... I'll watch them.
On to the Steelers...
Zombo
--I have a feeling Todd Haley's offense is going to surprise some people.
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We knew that as the worst team the last two years we would have to cut some guys who have been here a while. Got to see the family side of Orchard, but it has been obvious all along that he did not have the talent for the position he played. But at least he made some money for a few brief years, more than most make in 20 years altogether. Hope he invested well.
EDIT: The question I still have is are the players we brought in better than the ones we let go. Several we have never even seen in a pre-season game. I'm thinking specifically about the 3 main DLs sent packing, Orchard, Nassib and Brantley.
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Well... Ep 5 just left me flat... a letdown on par with the final episode of The Sopranos.
Biggest thing for me... the Process guy... was catching barely a glimpse of our player evaluation process. Other than a little Dorsey/Hue huddle in the beginning and a little of Dorsey at a white board a little later... nada.
Then next it's Hue entering a room with his assembled staff to inform them of the cuts? Nary a hint of their involvement in the decision process.
Now all this could be editing by HBO/NFL Films, but it is more likely just how it is... we have a top down, autocratic organization and those can only be as good as the guy at the top.
Otherwise.... the contrast between Hue's "exit interviews" with cut players and those of past HK HCs was stark. Our "Mr.Nice Guy" practically had players apologizing to him for making him cut them...
... and no... the above is not a complement.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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