STEELER WEEK
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@ghoolie said:
Bro, I AM one of you, but you know, look at it from my perspective. I go back to Jim Brown hugging me at Hiram in 1962. I walked next to Clark, Hick, Fiss, Gain, Rode Groza's shoulders at Hiram and shared hot dogs that my Dad bought for us three after a Hiram practice. I don't need to prove anything to douchebags here, Now YOU............. different story. You are capable of being a Browns fan and also a human being. So, I get it. You are pumped up, this is your team, and you would like to have an old fart cheering alongside you. Admirable of you, you are a real fan. and most likely, one hell of a guy (kid?)
You see, for me, this team, I see it as a fake Browns, an imitation, certainly V2.0. The ides of me just whoring myself and giving unadulterated support to this box of dog-schidt doesn't sit well. It just doesn't.
Most of the dumber, mentally one-dimensional people here, like mjp28, Dumb Oven, Hoorta and Gip, think that when the Browns start winning I am going to pretend like I have supported them all along. But that isn't me, it has never been me, never in my life. Winning has absolutely nothing to do with this. I didn't abandon my team or blast them in the Nick SKorich and Phipps era because the Browns were something special and the players bought into it.
Garrett making a tape about wanting to be a Cowboy? Gordon not getting to camp? Joe Thomas laughing on the sideline while the team is getting butt pounded? A new, multi-million dollar regime not even having an OL in place 7 days before the Steelers? You go back and watch Kosar getting murdered, Brown getting gang tackled, the faces on the fans at the last home game............. when THIS team behaves like they understand and respect that? Then I will pay some respect. Will I ever love the Browns V 2.0? I seriously doubt it. If they won the SB this year, I would be glad, but it's not the same as the real Browns winning it.
WIsh I could meet you closer in the middle man. I really do.
I guess that explains Groza's back problems later in life...
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Possibly....
I think the article makes a good point. I don't think either team will learn much about their team this week.
Possibly....
I think the article makes a good point. I don't think either team will learn much about their team this week.
Agree. It's going to be a crapfest, VERY similar to last year's opener. Both teams are unfinished products, and it will be interesting to see if we can make the plays needed to win, while also avoiding the killer mistakes that doomed us last year. Remember the blocked punt after our first possession I think? I mean, Jesus Christ. It's a miracle we stayed in the game. We avoid special teams disaster, don't surrender a defensive touchdown, and we may just hang around long enough to be in a position to steal this game. I definitely worry about our offense and our special teams more than our defense, but we'll see.
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@ghoolie said:
Stinks, you are mostly correct. When we actually had a rivalry, I "hated" the Steelers, twice a year. As I have said many times, I built my career calling on the bio-pharm and industrial base in a 90-mile radius around the burg. I played a lot of Ukrainian and Slovenian music all around the area. Ukie Church in Carnegie, Webster all and Pitt, even played with the Duquesne Tamburitzans. Allegheny General, Montefiore, CMU and Institute, University of Pitt, PPG Allison park, on and on and on it went. Year of it. How the hell am I going to "hate" Pittsburgh people?
Only once in my life did I own and wear a football players name and Jersey. It was a really nice #12 TB replica Jersey. Greatest QB of my lifetime, bar none. Pulled for the Steelers in every playoff game the Browns weren't in. At the same time, I was relentless in irritating Steeler fans.
Am I a fan of the Steelers? Sure, yeah, absolutely. To some extent. I am not like you, the Steelers aren't my team, but a lot of my Browns memories are tied to this team. How do you hate that? I loved Myron Cope, and HE loved the Browns (got his start in Cleveland, helped Jim Brown write "Off My Chset") We shared players (Cowher, Bill Nelsen, etc.) and Christmas time crucial ball games.
I am a Browns fan, and always will be. However, I am not a jackoff about it. I appreciate great teams, players and heritage. Pittsburgh and its people have been so very good to me over the years. Again, how do I hate that?
At the end of the day, it isn't just you who considers the Ravens- Steelers to be the top AFC rivalry, it is everyone who watches it. If you want to know where the real Browns play? Just take in the environment at a Steelers-Ravens game. It is a continuation of the 70s' browns Steelers games.
I am here because of the heritage and my lifelong friendships. The fake/pretend/facade Browns? How can one be a fan of this? A team with no soul? A team created in a test tube.
Awesome stuff there Ghoolie!
You played with the Duquesne Tammies??? No Sheet!....you have to be pretty damn good to play for that group!
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Hell yeah!!! Never too early to start the talk.
No Lev Bell...AB still a question mark.
VICTORY is at hand!!!
Hell yeah!!! No Lev Bell... VICTORY is at hand!!!
It's pretty much official at this point that L. Bell will not play, as he is still holding out. The backup RB is good and even the #3 can get the job done. The O line is great, but the swarming speed of the Browns linebackers may make running the ball difficult and Ben is very rusty, so this may create the perfect disaster for PIT on opening day with a hyped up crowd.
PIT is primarily running the Todd Haley offense, so Todd himself should be playing a role in coaching the CLE defense. PIT's new OC likes to run gadget plays, so expect to see a bit of that.
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@ghoolie said:
Stinks, you are mostly correct. When we actually had a rivalry, I "hated" the Steelers, twice a year. As I have said many times, I built my career calling on the bio-pharm and industrial base in a 90-mile radius around the burg. I played a lot of Ukrainian and Slovenian music all around the area. Ukie Church in Carnegie, Webster all and Pitt, even played with the Duquesne Tamburitzans. Allegheny General, Montefiore, CMU and Institute, University of Pitt, PPG Allison park, on and on and on it went. Year of it. How the hell am I going to "hate" Pittsburgh people?
Only once in my life did I own and wear a football players name and Jersey. It was a really nice #12 TB replica Jersey. Greatest QB of my lifetime, bar none. Pulled for the Steelers in every playoff game the Browns weren't in. At the same time, I was relentless in irritating Steeler fans.
Am I a fan of the Steelers? Sure, yeah, absolutely. To some extent. I am not like you, the Steelers aren't my team, but a lot of my Browns memories are tied to this team. How do you hate that? I loved Myron Cope, and HE loved the Browns (got his start in Cleveland, helped Jim Brown write "Off My Chset") We shared players (Cowher, Bill Nelsen, etc.) and Christmas time crucial ball games.
I am a Browns fan, and always will be. However, I am not a jackoff about it. I appreciate great teams, players and heritage. Pittsburgh and its people have been so very good to me over the years. Again, how do I hate that?
At the end of the day, it isn't just you who considers the Ravens- Steelers to be the top AFC rivalry, it is everyone who watches it. If you want to know where the real Browns play? Just take in the environment at a Steelers-Ravens game. It is a continuation of the 70s' browns Steelers games.
I am here because of the heritage and my lifelong friendships. The fake/pretend/facade Browns? How can one be a fan of this? A team with no soul? A team created in a test tube.
Awesome stuff there Ghoolie!
You played with the Duquesne Tammies??? No Sheet!....you have to be pretty damn good to play for that group!
Awesome stuff there Ghoolie!
You played with the Duquesne Tammies??? No Sheet!....you have to be pretty damn good to play for that group!
I'm pretty sure he said the Dubuque Tampons.??
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One of the few times I've ever nearly completely agreed with you and shared your sentiments.
I was there at the old stadium shoulder to shoulder in Sheet seats, peaking around that Shmucking column. When they had to cart the sound system out with a little trolley so you could hear the announcers. I was there when we played the Patriots in 94 and won the wild card only to lose to the Shmucking steeler's yet again.. But we were contenders back then, even when our team sometimes sucked.
We were never laughing stocks.. .It is so damn hard to be a Browns fan. And spending all this money on new looks and new banners and new sayings means NOTHING if you can't beat the AFC North opponents. And I agree, it means NOTHING if you don't respect the past of this organization... My kids are now 19 and 17 and they have seen the Browns make it to the playoffs once and get beat..
They have lost an entire generation of fans..
7Bob, any time some Southerner blasts my fanship, I show them a picture of me and Brown at Hiram in 1962 and I tell them the stories of why I am a Browns fan. I don't blast their team, nor do to try to equate the old championships with the new. Instead, I illustrate why I love the Browns. To a man, every fan gets it, and they lay off. Gipper likes to throw the work FRAK around, as if he is a model Browns fan, with honors. Frankly, to me, the despicable fan is the one who urinates on what once was and automatically equates this V 2.0 schidt as being worthy of the name Browns. These caulk suckers have done nothing to win such loyalty. Do you believe they have? Dropped passes, penalties, self-promotion during asss kickings, excuses, missed assignments, penalties, arrests, and basic lack of respect for the fraternity. These asssholes don't get to come into the frat house just because some rich bastard spent blood money to acquire the name. Fauhk that. his team should NEVER have been named the Browns............They should have been given a new name and they should have had to earn loyalty the way Paul Brown, Lavelli, Kelly, Wooten, Renfro and the rest of them did. Had this team been named something like the Cleveland Bulldogs, the stadium would have started out largely vacant, but I promise you, the drive to riches would have produced a much better team. I think the fake Browns, V 2.0 don't care about any of this. I believe they without character, and for that reason believe the Steelers will again prevail. We will see. I hope they prove me wrong.
Bob, any time some Southerner blasts my fanship, I show them a picture of me and Brown at Hiram in 1962 and I tell them the stories of why I am a Browns fan. I don't blast their team, nor do to try to equate the old championships with the new. Instead, I illustrate why I love the Browns. To a man, every fan gets it, and they lay off. Gipper likes to throw the work FRAK around, as if he is a model Browns fan, with honors. Frankly, to me, the despicable fan is the one who urinates on what once was and automatically equates this V 2.0 schidt as being worthy of the name Browns. These caulk suckers have done nothing to win such loyalty. Do you believe they have? Dropped passes, penalties, self-promotion during asss kickings, excuses, missed assignments, penalties, arrests, and basic lack of respect for the fraternity. These asssholes don't get to come into the frat house just because some rich bastard spent blood money to acquire the name. Fauhk that. his team should NEVER have been named the Browns............They should have been given a new name and they should have had to earn loyalty the way Paul Brown, Lavelli, Kelly, Wooten, Renfro and the rest of them did. Had this team been named something like the Cleveland Bulldogs, the stadium would have started out largely vacant, but I promise you, the drive to riches would have produced a much better team. I think the fake Browns, V 2.0 don't care about any of this. I believe they without character, and for that reason believe the Steelers will again prevail. We will see. I hope they prove me wrong.
For years I would have argued with you.. I remember vividly the last game at our stadium(watched it on TV). That Steerler just walking into the end zone and turning around and falling backwards into the End Zone(Shmuck HIM!!!!!!!).. Our guys walking the perimeter and slapping hands. I literally had tears in my eyes I was so Shmucking heart broken..
I wanted Model dead. I held that contempt in my heart till the day he died.... But when I heard about them keeping the name I had hope we could rekindle what we once had.
I sometimes wonder if the city had just let the name go with them and they would have been the Baltimore Browns.. I would have followed them(the same guys for Shmuck's sake) and I would have been rewarded with a Super Bowl....
Instead we kept the name and we have for 20 years nearly, been fed a non-stop diet of Sheet.. WHY THE HECK DID IT TAKE 19 YEARS to finally field a serious team like we potentially have going into this season.. And that is just speculation.. This team could suck just as bad as the last 18 years....
I agree with you.. This 2.0 version of the Browns likely should have never been.. They should have been the Cleveland Erie's or the Chinook's or anything other than the Browns.. The Browns should have either been put to rest or went with the Team to Baltimore.
My wife is a long time Raider's fan.. She has followed them to LA back to Oakland back to LA back to Oakland and now to Las Vegas.... Is it the CITY? or the TEAM??? I am now wondering if I made a huge mistake in supporting keeping the Browns name....
THIS IS IT. This season is truly it for me.. No more rebuilds, no more "Get em next season".. They drew me back in for this season, based on the seriousness they put into fielding this team.... But this is it.. If after 3 games and no wins if Hue's head isn't on a Shmucking metaphoric pike, then they have lost me as a fan for ever......
BobPound!
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Bob, any time some Southerner blasts my fanship, I show them a picture of me and Brown at Hiram in 1962 and I tell them the stories of why I am a Browns fan. I don't blast their team, nor do to try to equate the old championships with the new. Instead, I illustrate why I love the Browns. To a man, every fan gets it, and they lay off. Gipper likes to throw the work FRAK around, as if he is a model Browns fan, with honors. Frankly, to me, the despicable fan is the one who urinates on what once was and automatically equates this V 2.0 schidt as being worthy of the name Browns. These caulk suckers have done nothing to win such loyalty. Do you believe they have? Dropped passes, penalties, self-promotion during asss kickings, excuses, missed assignments, penalties, arrests, and basic lack of respect for the fraternity. These asssholes don't get to come into the frat house just because some rich bastard spent blood money to acquire the name. Fauhk that. his team should NEVER have been named the Browns............They should have been given a new name and they should have had to earn loyalty the way Paul Brown, Lavelli, Kelly, Wooten, Renfro and the rest of them did. Had this team been named something like the Cleveland Bulldogs, the stadium would have started out largely vacant, but I promise you, the drive to riches would have produced a much better team. I think the fake Browns, V 2.0 don't care about any of this. I believe they without character, and for that reason believe the Steelers will again prevail. We will see. I hope they prove me wrong.
For years I would have argued with you.. I remember vividly the last game at our stadium(watched it on TV). That Steerler just walking into the end zone and turning around and falling backwards into the End Zone(Shmuck HIM!!!!!!!).. Our guys walking the perimeter and slapping hands. I literally had tears in my eyes I was so Shmucking heart broken..
I wanted Model dead. I held that contempt in my heart till the day he died.... But when I heard about them keeping the name I had hope we could rekindle what we once had.
I sometimes wonder if the city had just let the name go with them and they would have been the Baltimore Browns.. I would have followed them(the same guys for Shmuck's sake) and I would have been rewarded with a Super Bowl....
Instead we kept the name and we have for 20 years nearly, been fed a non-stop diet of Sheet.. WHY THE HECK DID IT TAKE 19 YEARS to finally field a serious team like we potentially have going into this season.. And that is just speculation.. This team could suck just as bad as the last 18 years....
I agree with you.. This 2.0 version of the Browns likely should have never been.. They should have been the Cleveland Erie's or the Chinook's or anything other than the Browns.. The Browns should have either been put to rest or went with the Team to Baltimore.
My wife is a long time Raider's fan.. She has followed them to LA back to Oakland back to LA back to Oakland and now to Las Vegas.... Is it the CITY? or the TEAM??? I am now wondering if I made a huge mistake in supporting keeping the Browns name....
THIS IS IT. This season is truly it for me.. No more rebuilds, no more "Get em next season".. They drew me back in for this season, based on the seriousness they put into fielding this team.... But this is it.. If after 3 games and no wins if Hue's head isn't on a Shmucking metaphoric pike, then they have lost me as a fan for ever......
BobPound!
They should have been the Cleveland Erie's or the Chinook's or anything other than the Browns.. The Browns should have either been put to rest or went with the Team to Baltimore.
“What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.” - William ShakespeareI'm not so hung up on the whole name thing, but I do fully respect your perspective and Ghoolie's perspective as well.
The Steelers were a shítty team for 40 years, which makes the Browns recent shíttyness period seem so short.
I'm sorry for what happened and I know Colts fans who are still píssed-off at what went on and they don't consider the Ravens to be their team.
I'm glad that Cleveland kept the name and the colors and I'm still looking forward to the day that the team can live up to that name and when that day comes, all will be forgotten.
UPDATE: Antonio Brown will play Sunday.
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They should have been the Cleveland Erie's or the Chinook's or anything other than the Browns.. The Browns should have either been put to rest or went with the Team to Baltimore.
“What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.” - William ShakespeareI'm not so hung up on the whole name thing, but I do fully respect your perspective and Ghoolie's perspective as well.
The Steelers were a shítty team for 40 years, which makes the Browns recent shíttyness period seem so short.
I'm sorry for what happened and I know Colts fans who are still píssed-off at what went on and they don't consider the Ravens to be their team.
I'm glad that Cleveland kept the name and the colors and I'm still looking forward to the day that the team can live up to that name and when that day comes, all will be forgotten.
UPDATE: Antonio Brown will play Sunday.
“What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.” - William ShakespeareI'm not so hung up on the whole name thing, but I do fully respect your perspective and Ghoolie's perspective as well.
The Steelers were a shítty team for 40 years, which makes the Browns recent shíttyness period seem so short.
I'm sorry for what happened and I know Colts fans who are still píssed-off at what went on and they don't consider the Ravens to be their team.
I'm glad that Cleveland kept the name and the colors and I'm still looking forward to the day that the team can live up to that name and when that day comes, all will be forgotten.
I have said this so many times since 1999.. THIS IS IT.... This season for many of us aging old time fans, some going all the way back to Jim Brown, some of us for Brian Sipe, others for Bernie Kosar is it... I truly mean it. This is it for me. This season is the last they have to make me not regret them having kept the Browns name in Cleveland.
I am literally watching the last episode of Hard Knocks as I write this. I for some reason am feeling way more emotional watching it than I should. For Shmucks sake it's just a game!! But it's more than that for me. The good times I've had watching these Browns at pivotal points in my life are to many to recount... It is more than just a team.. And I feel something different about this team, this year! They seem to get it.. There is a coming together of this team I have seen maybe once in the new Browns and certainly not since the days of Vinnie.
I want SO BAD to love this team again, not just endure them.... If this team can pull it off this season, there will be such and outpouring of love and support for them. I have not seen this much support for the Browns coming from the fan base in a very very long time. And this coming off of a 1-31 record.. I feel something magical is on the verge of happening.
I just do not want to be disappointed again. I don't think I can take it...
GO BROWNS... Beat the Shmucking Steeler's for old times sake... Remember what it means to be a Cleveland Brown!
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I'm only 1 year in to my support of the browns so I've NEVER seen them win!! Why would someone start supporting the browns at this point in time?? I love the underdog, and I love the unconditional support that browns fans give. You have character, the browns have character, the browns have a great history. I know a lot of fans are at the end of their patience with the continued disappointment year after year...I can understand that. But looking in from the outside, which is what I have done for the last year or so, it feels like people are willing the browns to turn it around...and not just browns fans.
As bob says above, IF they manage to turn it around, IF they give the fans something to be proud of, there will be such an outpouring of love and support for them it would be magical. Just watching the clips of the chargers game and the last minute fg miss and how the fans reacted shows how much it means to fans. If ever a franchise deserves some good fortune its the browns....I just hope it happens soon!
Go browns!!
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I'm only 1 year in to my support of the browns so I've NEVER seen them win!! Why would someone start supporting the browns at this point in time?? I love the underdog, and I love the unconditional support that browns fans give. You have character, the browns have character, the browns have a great history. I know a lot of fans are at the end of their patience with the continued disappointment year after year...I can understand that. But looking in from the outside, which is what I have done for the last year or so, it feels like people are willing the browns to turn it around...and not just browns fans.
As bob says above, IF they manage to turn it around, IF they give the fans something to be proud of, there will be such an outpouring of love and support for them it would be magical. Just watching the clips of the chargers game and the last minute fg miss and how the fans reacted shows how much it means to fans. If ever a franchise deserves some good fortune its the browns....I just hope it happens soon!
Go browns!!
I'm only 1 year in to my support of the browns so I've NEVER seen them win!! Why would someone start supporting the browns at this point in time?? I love the underdog, and I love the unconditional support that browns fans give. You have character, the browns have character, the browns have a great history. I know a lot of fans are at the end of their patience with the continued disappointment year after year...I can understand that. But looking in from the outside, which is what I have done for the last year or so, it feels like people are willing the browns to turn it around...and not just browns fans.
As bob says above, IF they manage to turn it around, IF they give the fans something to be proud of, there will be such an outpouring of love and support for them it would be magical. Just watching the clips of the chargers game and the last minute fg miss and how the fans reacted shows how much it means to fans. If ever a franchise deserves some good fortune its the browns....I just hope it happens soon!
Go browns!!
Perfect sentiment.. I for one hope we can make you a life long fan. It only takes one magical season to lock you in for ever.. Mine was the days of Brian Sipe and the Cardiac kids. They were just an exciting team to watch, even in defeat...
Here is to hoping you picked the right time to get on board.. No one can ever accuse you of being a "jump on the band wagon" fan..
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I'm only 1 year in to my support of the browns so I've NEVER seen them win!! Why would someone start supporting the browns at this point in time?? I love the underdog, and I love the unconditional support that browns fans give. You have character, the browns have character, the browns have a great history. I know a lot of fans are at the end of their patience with the continued disappointment year after year...I can understand that. But looking in from the outside, which is what I have done for the last year or so, it feels like people are willing the browns to turn it around...and not just browns fans.
As bob says above, IF they manage to turn it around, IF they give the fans something to be proud of, there will be such an outpouring of love and support for them it would be magical. Just watching the clips of the chargers game and the last minute fg miss and how the fans reacted shows how much it means to fans. If ever a franchise deserves some good fortune its the browns....I just hope it happens soon!
Go browns!!
Perfect sentiment.. I for one hope we can make you a life long fan. It only takes one magical season to lock you in for ever.. Mine was the days of Brian Sipe and the Cardiac kids. They were just an exciting team to watch, even in defeat...
Here is to hoping you picked the right time to get on board.. No one can ever accuse you of being a "jump on the band wagon" fan..
Perfect sentiment.. I for one hope we can make you a life long fan. It only takes one magical season to lock you in for ever.. Mine was the days of Brian Sipe and the Cardiac kids. They were just an exciting team to watch, even in defeat...
Here is to hoping you picked the right time to get on board.. No one can ever accuse you of being a "jump on the band wagon" fan..
Yes you get that with every sport, new fan supports pats/yankees/man utd etc then comes up with some bullshine story about why they happen to support the best team going...its very boring and predictable...and imo shows a lack of moral fibre ?
Anyway, I'm all in, got my euro nfl game pass so I'll be watching for this season at least ?
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I'm only 1 year in to my support of the browns so I've NEVER seen them win!! Why would someone start supporting the browns at this point in time?? I love the underdog, and I love the unconditional support that browns fans give. You have character, the browns have character, the browns have a great history. I know a lot of fans are at the end of their patience with the continued disappointment year after year...I can understand that. But looking in from the outside, which is what I have done for the last year or so, it feels like people are willing the browns to turn it around...and not just browns fans.
As bob says above, IF they manage to turn it around, IF they give the fans something to be proud of, there will be such an outpouring of love and support for them it would be magical. Just watching the clips of the chargers game and the last minute fg miss and how the fans reacted shows how much it means to fans. If ever a franchise deserves some good fortune its the browns....I just hope it happens soon!
Go browns!!
I'm only 1 year in to my support of the browns so I've NEVER seen them win!! Why would someone start supporting the browns at this point in time?? I love the underdog, and I love the unconditional support that browns fans give. You have character, the browns have character, the browns have a great history. I know a lot of fans are at the end of their patience with the continued disappointment year after year...I can understand that. But looking in from the outside, which is what I have done for the last year or so, it feels like people are willing the browns to turn it around...and not just browns fans.
As bob says above, IF they manage to turn it around, IF they give the fans something to be proud of, there will be such an outpouring of love and support for them it would be magical. Just watching the clips of the chargers game and the last minute fg miss and how the fans reacted shows how much it means to fans. If ever a franchise deserves some good fortune its the browns....I just hope it happens soon!
Go browns!!
I am on the unofficial newcomers welcoming committee. I came with JM, recommended Myles Garrett before he was "MYLES F'N GARRETT" as a part of my redemption and stuck around for the turnaround because of the long suffering Browns fans on this site. Plus I have learned a great deal more about the intricacies of the pro game than I knew before arrival thanks to several very knowledgeable fans here. And when the Browns go to Mile High this year to play my other favorite team, I hope my nephew and my older brother who are attending that game go home very disappointed.
Welcome to the newcomers club. There's no bandwagon yet, but we're aworkin' on it!?
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@ghoolie said:
Bob, you raise a good question, at least for this board, but you are not likely going to get objective answers. It is the TEAM, not the city, NEVER the city. Just like, it is THE PLAYER, not THE CITY. The Hoorts would have you believe that it is the fans, and the community that owns the team, but it isn't. Without Art Model much of what is now the NFL would never have been. Art Modell was more a part of the Browns than the city of Cleveland. Art spent the money, he did the work. The fans, media and politicians just show up to gorge at the party,
Stan, the guy who owns this board argued with me vehemently on this point. But, two years ago, as we sat in Vegas having drinks, he said to me, " You were right Tom, this team should have never been named the Browns".
To me, the biggest sin was committed by the fans who abandoned all decency and respect for what the Browns stood for, and cried like babies that the name had to stay in Cleveland. So, the fans in Cleveland got what they asked for. They deserve exactly what they got. Most fans who have been around for 30 years or more consider the Browns a joke, a facade, and see the Ravens as the real Browns, which, they are. There is not one torch that has been passed from any Browns player, coach, writer or executive of the past, to anyone on this new team. There is simply no historical connection.
Vegas Raiders? YEP................ the RAIDERS is the brand. Nobody gives a schidt if they are rooting for Oakland, LA or Timbuctoo....RAYDAHS...........
You say, why did it take until now? I think you are being unrealistic. This team is not going to fare much better than the ones that preceeded it. The things that keep the Browns from winning as not talent. The Browns have had plenty of talent since 1999. The problem is discipline, honor, pride.
DO you see? How can any player come to Cleveland and feel a sense of pride and honor? Honor to what? Jim Brown? Paul Brown? Kelly? The Dawg Pound? None of that is a part of this franchise. The fake Browns should never have come to be.
I will root for the Steelers. I will root for whoever plays this wretch of a team. I will root for misery for this team as if I was a rival. I do this because I am a Browns fan and I will never accept a lie as truth. At the end of the day, it was Cleveland who kicked their own team out of town and then cried about it. To be honest, there is more reason to feel connection to the Steelers, Ravens and Bengals than there is to support this lie.
As irrational as it is, I will give this team one last chance. I do not agree with you that this seasons team will be Sheet. I have said this 18 times before and have only been right maybe 1 1/2 maybe 2 times. But yet here I am once again... How we play against the Steeler's will tell me a lot. History is hard to overcome and 2 wins out of how the hell many is a hard statistic to bet against... In my gut I think we can win this game and we will.. My brain says "how can you think that, we've lost so many times before !!" ..
The two of us are different in that I've only known the Browns as my team. Even when they were gone, I still wore my jersey and hat.. When they came back my kid was born that year.. I thought it was the beginning of something new and special.... But I NEVER would have considered being a Ravens fan or a Steeler's fan or even a Bengal's fan(God Forbid). That is like saying I am a Michigan fan and now since they suck I'm going with Ohio.. cowpoop.. They in my opinion are polar opposites. Like saying Chocolate and Vanilla are your favorites.. You don't get to choose both
.. My opinion of course...
For me it is the Browns or nothing. I will choose not to watch the NFL if the Browns go down like punks again this year.
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Bob, any time some Southerner blasts my fanship, I show them a picture of me and Brown at Hiram in 1962 and I tell them the stories of why I am a Browns fan. I don't blast their team, nor do to try to equate the old championships with the new. Instead, I illustrate why I love the Browns. To a man, every fan gets it, and they lay off. Gipper likes to throw the work FRAK around, as if he is a model Browns fan, with honors. Frankly, to me, the despicable fan is the one who urinates on what once was and automatically equates this V 2.0 schidt as being worthy of the name Browns. These caulk suckers have done nothing to win such loyalty. Do you believe they have? Dropped passes, penalties, self-promotion during asss kickings, excuses, missed assignments, penalties, arrests, and basic lack of respect for the fraternity. These asssholes don't get to come into the frat house just because some rich bastard spent blood money to acquire the name. Fauhk that. his team should NEVER have been named the Browns............They should have been given a new name and they should have had to earn loyalty the way Paul Brown, Lavelli, Kelly, Wooten, Renfro and the rest of them did. Had this team been named something like the Cleveland Bulldogs, the stadium would have started out largely vacant, but I promise you, the drive to riches would have produced a much better team. I think the fake Browns, V 2.0 don't care about any of this. I believe they without character, and for that reason believe the Steelers will again prevail. We will see. I hope they prove me wrong.
For years I would have argued with you.. I remember vividly the last game at our stadium(watched it on TV). That Steerler just walking into the end zone and turning around and falling backwards into the End Zone(Shmuck HIM!!!!!!!).. Our guys walking the perimeter and slapping hands. I literally had tears in my eyes I was so Shmucking heart broken..
I wanted Model dead. I held that contempt in my heart till the day he died.... But when I heard about them keeping the name I had hope we could rekindle what we once had.
I sometimes wonder if the city had just let the name go with them and they would have been the Baltimore Browns.. I would have followed them(the same guys for Shmuck's sake) and I would have been rewarded with a Super Bowl....
Instead we kept the name and we have for 20 years nearly, been fed a non-stop diet of Sheet.. WHY THE HECK DID IT TAKE 19 YEARS to finally field a serious team like we potentially have going into this season.. And that is just speculation.. This team could suck just as bad as the last 18 years....
I agree with you.. This 2.0 version of the Browns likely should have never been.. They should have been the Cleveland Erie's or the Chinook's or anything other than the Browns.. The Browns should have either been put to rest or went with the Team to Baltimore.
My wife is a long time Raider's fan.. She has followed them to LA back to Oakland back to LA back to Oakland and now to Las Vegas.... Is it the CITY? or the TEAM??? I am now wondering if I made a huge mistake in supporting keeping the Browns name....
THIS IS IT. This season is truly it for me.. No more rebuilds, no more "Get em next season".. They drew me back in for this season, based on the seriousness they put into fielding this team.... But this is it.. If after 3 games and no wins if Hue's head isn't on a Shmucking metaphoric pike, then they have lost me as a fan for ever......
BobPound!
I wanted Model dead. I held that contempt in my heart till the day he died.... But when I heard about them keeping the name I had hope we could rekindle what we once had.
I sometimes wonder if the city had just let the name go with them and they would have been the Baltimore Browns.. I would have followed them(the same guys for Shmuck's sake) and I would have been rewarded with a Super Bowl....
Instead we kept the name and we have for 20 years nearly, been fed a non-stop diet of Sheet.. WHY THE HECK DID IT TAKE 19 YEARS to finally field a serious team like we potentially have going into this season.. And that is just speculation.. This team could suck just as bad as the last 18 years....
I agree with you.. This 2.0 version of the Browns likely should have never been.. They should have been the Cleveland Erie's or the Chinook's or anything other than the Browns.. The Browns should have either been put to rest or went with the Team to Baltimore.
My wife is a long time Raider's fan.. She has followed them to LA back to Oakland back to LA back to Oakland and now to Las Vegas.... Is it the CITY? or the TEAM??? I am now wondering if I made a huge mistake in supporting keeping the Browns name....
THIS IS IT. This season is truly it for me.. No more rebuilds, no more "Get em next season".. They drew me back in for this season, based on the seriousness they put into fielding this team.... But this is it.. If after 3 games and no wins if Hue's head isn't on a Shmucking metaphoric pike, then they have lost me as a fan for ever......
BobPound!
This is where me and Ghoolie go down different paths. I was one of the major protesters from the old AOL board (Ghoolie knows who they are). Our name, or team, our colors. First time it ever had been done. Tom may say it's just semantics, Gipper, me, the NFL, the official record keeper (the HOF) say otherwise. It is the same franchise. The records stayed in Cleveland- JIm Brown's Ottto Grahams records- everything stayed- except the players, owners, and equipment moved. There's a difference between a team and franchise. I'm done arguing with the uninformed folks that say the "real" Browns are in Baltimore- they never were, just some former Browns players and the owner. The naysayers can believe whatever the hell they want to regarding the Browns, or the Earth is flat for all I care.The Ravens are a new franchise, with their own records. Unlike the Colts- Irsay moved everything. Johnny Unitas' records now reside in Indianapolis.
If it had turned out as the Baltimore Browns- I would have flipped the NFL the finger, and been done with the league forever. At least Ohio State isn't moving any time soon.
I'm not so hung up on the whole name thing, but I do fully respect your perspective and Ghoolie's perspective as well.
The Steelers were a shítty team for 40 years, which makes the Browns recent shíttyness period seem so short.
I'm sorry for what happened and I know Colts fans who are still píssed-off at what went on and they don't consider the Ravens to be their team.
I'm glad that Cleveland kept the name and the colors and I'm still looking forward to the day that the team can live up to that name and when that day comes, all will be forgotten.
Nice to see a Steeler fan that "gets it". Unlike a bunch of them who think the history of the NFL started in 1970.
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I wanted Model dead. I held that contempt in my heart till the day he died.... But when I heard about them keeping the name I had hope we could rekindle what we once had.
I sometimes wonder if the city had just let the name go with them and they would have been the Baltimore Browns.. I would have followed them(the same guys for Shmuck's sake) and I would have been rewarded with a Super Bowl....
Instead we kept the name and we have for 20 years nearly, been fed a non-stop diet of Sheet.. WHY THE HECK DID IT TAKE 19 YEARS to finally field a serious team like we potentially have going into this season.. And that is just speculation.. This team could suck just as bad as the last 18 years....
I agree with you.. This 2.0 version of the Browns likely should have never been.. They should have been the Cleveland Erie's or the Chinook's or anything other than the Browns.. The Browns should have either been put to rest or went with the Team to Baltimore.
My wife is a long time Raider's fan.. She has followed them to LA back to Oakland back to LA back to Oakland and now to Las Vegas.... Is it the CITY? or the TEAM??? I am now wondering if I made a huge mistake in supporting keeping the Browns name....
THIS IS IT. This season is truly it for me.. No more rebuilds, no more "Get em next season".. They drew me back in for this season, based on the seriousness they put into fielding this team.... But this is it.. If after 3 games and no wins if Hue's head isn't on a Shmucking metaphoric pike, then they have lost me as a fan for ever......
BobPound!
This is where me and Ghoolie go down different paths. I was one of the major protesters from the old AOL board (Ghoolie knows who they are). Our name, or team, our colors. First time it ever had been done. Tom may say it's just semantics, Gipper, me, the NFL, the official record keeper (the HOF) say otherwise. It is the same franchise. The records stayed in Cleveland- JIm Brown's Ottto Grahams records- everything stayed- except the players, owners, and equipment moved. There's a difference between a team and franchise. I'm done arguing with the uninformed folks that say the "real" Browns are in Baltimore- they never were, just some former Browns players and the owner. The naysayers can believe whatever the hell they want to regarding the Browns, or the Earth is flat for all I care.The Ravens are a new franchise, with their own records. Unlike the Colts- Irsay moved everything. Johnny Unitas' records now reside in Indianapolis.
If it had turned out as the Baltimore Browns- I would have flipped the NFL the finger, and been done with the league forever. At least Ohio State isn't moving any time soon.
I'm not so hung up on the whole name thing, but I do fully respect your perspective and Ghoolie's perspective as well.
The Steelers were a shítty team for 40 years, which makes the Browns recent shíttyness period seem so short.
I'm sorry for what happened and I know Colts fans who are still píssed-off at what went on and they don't consider the Ravens to be their team.
I'm glad that Cleveland kept the name and the colors and I'm still looking forward to the day that the team can live up to that name and when that day comes, all will be forgotten.
Nice to see a Steeler fan that "gets it". Unlike a bunch of them who think the history of the NFL started in 1970.
Nice to see a Steeler fan that "gets it". Unlike a bunch of them who think the history of the NFL started in 1970.
That tired line resurrected again? LOL
As often as that line has been used by bitter jealous browns fans, originating in the 70's when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls and God's gift to football, the browns, were not....I'm sure we've all heard by now that the NFL actually did start before 1970. But thanks once again for reminding me in case I forgot.LOL
So what are you looking to achieve ...validation from Steeler fan declaring the browns were once champions before most of you were born, or acknowledgement from Steeler fan that the Steelers were terrible before they were born?
Honestly, I don't think anyone gives a Shmuck to both.
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Depth chart released. OL remains the same, but our DT depth is question mark mania. It’s Ogunjobi, Coley (who has been banged up much of camp), and 2 new dudes.
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Nice to see a Steeler fan that "gets it". Unlike a bunch of them who think the history of the NFL started in 1970.
That tired line resurrected again? LOL
As often as that line has been used by bitter jealous browns fans, originating in the 70's when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls and God's gift to football, the browns, were not....I'm sure we've all heard by now that the NFL actually did start before 1970. But thanks once again for reminding me in case I forgot.LOL
So what are you looking to achieve ...validation from Steeler fan declaring the browns were once champions before most of you were born, or acknowledgement from Steeler fan that the Steelers were terrible before they were born?
Honestly, I don't think anyone gives a Shmuck to both.
That tired line resurrected again? LOL
As often as that line has been used by bitter jealous browns fans, originating in the 70's when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls and God's gift to football, the browns, were not....I'm sure we've all heard by now that the NFL actually did start before 1970. Thanks once again for making us aware.
So what are you looking to achieve ...validation from Steeler fan declaring the browns were once champions before most of you were born, or acknowledgement from Steeler fan that the Steelers were terrible before they were born?
Honestly, I don't think anyone gives a Shmuck to both.
Nope, just a fact- from the Steeler POV it's we've been better than you have been- recently. Those Browns Championships count in the record book as much as your Super Bowls.
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He's a FRAK A Front Runner Arse Kisser. When the Browns start winning he will be all over their knobs.
But the Patriots are front runners even ahead of the Steelers. I think Ghoolie is a fan of how good teams take care of business, not necessarily a "fan" .
I may be wrong. Ghoolie would have to verify that.
But the Patriots are front runners even ahead of the Steelers. I think Ghoolie is a fan of how good teams take care of business, not necessarily a "fan" .
I may be wrong. Ghoolie would have to verify that.
That is NOT the way he comes off. NO ONE faults anyone for "admiring" the way a winning team goes about their business. But when have you ever heard Glommie saying that about the Pats, or Packers, or other good teams?
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@ghoolie said:
The Browns could win the SB at 19 - 0, and I would STILL consider them FAKE BROWNS........................The real Browns are called The Ravens, and they play in Baltimore.
There's something to be said about that.
From Pitts point of view, the browns are in Baltimore....the hate, the rivalry, "browns week", went there..
Steeler fans regard the Ravens as turds painted purple.
There's something to be said about that.
From Pitts point of view, the browns are in Baltimore....the hate, the rivalry, "browns week", went there..
Steeler fans regard the Ravens as turds painted purple.
OK, well, ignorance and stupidity have always been a major trait of the typical Steeler fan. You have simply reinforced that fact.
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@ghoolie said:
Stinks, you are mostly correct. When we actually had a rivalry, I "hated" the Steelers, twice a year. As I have said many times, I built my career calling on the bio-pharm and industrial base in a 90-mile radius around the burg. I played a lot of Ukrainian and Slovenian music all around the area. Ukie Church in Carnegie, Webster all and Pitt, even played with the Duquesne Tamburitzans. Allegheny General, Montefiore, CMU and Institute, University of Pitt, PPG Allison park, on and on and on it went. Year of it. How the hell am I going to "hate" Pittsburgh people?
Only once in my life did I own and wear a football players name and Jersey. It was a really nice #12 TB replica Jersey. Greatest QB of my lifetime, bar none. Pulled for the Steelers in every playoff game the Browns weren't in. At the same time, I was relentless in irritating Steeler fans.
Am I a fan of the Steelers? Sure, yeah, absolutely. To some extent. I am not like you, the Steelers aren't my team, but a lot of my Browns memories are tied to this team. How do you hate that? I loved Myron Cope, and HE loved the Browns (got his start in Cleveland, helped Jim Brown write "Off My Chset") We shared players (Cowher, Bill Nelsen, etc.) and Christmas time crucial ball games.
I am a Browns fan, and always will be. However, I am not a jackoff about it. I appreciate great teams, players and heritage. Pittsburgh and its people have been so very good to me over the years. Again, how do I hate that?
At the end of the day, it isn't just you who considers the Ravens- Steelers to be the top AFC rivalry, it is everyone who watches it. If you want to know where the real Browns play? Just take in the environment at a Steelers-Ravens game. It is a continuation of the 70s' browns Steelers games.
I am here because of the heritage and my lifelong friendships. The fake/pretend/facade Browns? How can one be a fan of this? A team with no soul? A team created in a test tube.
Again, bottom line....this post explains why you don't like the Browns : because they are losing. And why you like the Steelers: because they are winning.
You have just given the perfect description of a FRAK Whore.
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