Nick watch...
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Hey Woody, thoughts on Michigan?
I have no problem discussing it with you. I don't expect any blinding team loyalty on your end to make it like I'm trying to debate a scarlet and gray donkey.
I'm disappointed. Some Michigan fans are acting like the sky is falling, which is premature. A loss by 7, week 1, at night, on the road to a very good ND team isn't terrible. Plus a few fluky things. It happens. Unfortunate, but it happens. Luckily we've seen many instances of teams rebounding after early losses
The game itself really came down to our offensive tackles. They quite possibly had one of the worst pass protection outings I've ever seen. Our LT was so bad his performance basically single handedly cost us the game. I'm not sure if he's that bad or if that was just the worst 3 hours of his life.
Unfortunately, our 1st Rd talent LT had a career ending injury and that threw everything off course. We have two true Freshman tackles on campus that people are calling to start. Basically, they can't be worse and they actually have room to improve. We really needed a week or two of cupcakes to start this year
Everyone else played basically as expected. Considering the pressure he was under, Shea did very well IMO.
We have a few weeks to figure out the OL before we hit the toughest stretch of games in the country. Here's hoping we figure it out.
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So you don’t have any concern that Harbaugh can’t win the big game? I mean yeah this isn’t a bad loss by itself but the sample size is starting to stack up. I also think you can kinda discount special teams scores because they’re so unreliable and with that it’s a two-touchdown loss.
Obviously the people calling for Harbaugh’s head are ignorant but your post seems a little overconfident imo.
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So you don’t have any concern that Harbaugh can’t win the big game? I mean yeah this isn’t a bad loss by itself but the sample size is starting to stack up. I also think you can kinda discount special teams scores because they’re so unreliable and with that it’s a two-touchdown loss.
Obviously the people calling for Harbaugh’s head are ignorant but your post seems a little overconfident imo.
So you don’t have any concern that Harbaugh can’t win the big game? I mean yeah this isn’t a bad loss by itself but the sample size is starting to stack up. I also think you can kinda discount special teams scores because they’re so unreliable and with that it’s a two-touchdown loss.
Obviously the people calling for Harbaugh’s head are ignorant but your post seems a little overconfident imo.
It's not over confident because I'm not really guaranteeing anything. Harbaugh has the most unlucky play ever and a bad 4th down spot holding him from two rivalary wins. You could argue we'd have one more without being on our 3rd QB due to injury and having the worst performance from the position in years. Our KR TD may have been fluky but so was NDs second TD.
I'd love to be able to guarantee he'll win the big one, I can't. But I also understand where the program was before he took over, and I understand some of the disadvantages we're playing with in today's landscape. It is what it is
Harbaugh isn't going anywhere this year. It's hard to imagine a better choice for the program. It has been disappointing so far but Michigan is one if the most unlucky, unfun programs to follow relative to expectations, so it is what it is. We'll have a much better idea where everything stands at the end of this season.
There's one thing that's blindly wrong with this team. That's a positive in the sense we know what needs corrected. It's one of our worst depth positions, that's partially on Hoke and partially on Harbaugh. We'll have to see if we can get it corrected by our next tough game
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
How can you still be blaming Hoke? His last class was 4 years ago. Harbutt has done NOTHING but continue your schools decent into mediocrity
Oh wait, the team got to go to Europe and waste the schools money
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How can you still be blaming Hoke? His last class was 4 years ago. Harbutt has done NOTHING but continue your schools decent into mediocrity
Oh wait, the team got to go to Europe and waste the schools money
How can you still be blaming Hoke? His last class was 4 years ago. Harbutt has done NOTHING but continue your schools decent into mediocrity
Oh wait, the team got to go to Europe and waste the schools money
I'm not here to teach OSU fans how to read. If you want to come at me in an insulting way with the typical, blinding ridiculousness that's way too common on this board, then there's no reason to engage you. I said partially on Hoke, partially on Harbaugh. That's 100% true. I'm also not going to waste my time breaking down our roster to you or posters like you when I'm just going to anti-Michigan vomit back.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
So you don’t have any concern that Harbaugh can’t win the big game? I mean yeah this isn’t a bad loss by itself but the sample size is starting to stack up. I also think you can kinda discount special teams scores because they’re so unreliable and with that it’s a two-touchdown loss.
Obviously the people calling for Harbaugh’s head are ignorant but your post seems a little overconfident imo.
It's not over confident because I'm not really guaranteeing anything. Harbaugh has the most unlucky play ever and a bad 4th down spot holding him from two rivalary wins. You could argue we'd have one more without being on our 3rd QB due to injury and having the worst performance from the position in years. Our KR TD may have been fluky but so was NDs second TD.
I'd love to be able to guarantee he'll win the big one, I can't. But I also understand where the program was before he took over, and I understand some of the disadvantages we're playing with in today's landscape. It is what it is
Harbaugh isn't going anywhere this year. It's hard to imagine a better choice for the program. It has been disappointing so far but Michigan is one if the most unlucky, unfun programs to follow relative to expectations, so it is what it is. We'll have a much better idea where everything stands at the end of this season.
There's one thing that's blindly wrong with this team. That's a positive in the sense we know what needs corrected. It's one of our worst depth positions, that's partially on Hoke and partially on Harbaugh. We'll have to see if we can get it corrected by our next tough game
It's not over confident because I'm not really guaranteeing anything. Harbaugh has the most unlucky play ever and a bad 4th down spot holding him from two rivalary wins. You could argue we'd have one more without being on our 3rd QB due to injury and having the worst performance from the position in years. Our KR TD may have been fluky but so was NDs second TD.
I'd love to be able to guarantee he'll win the big one, I can't. But I also understand where the program was before he took over, and I understand some of the disadvantages we're playing with in today's landscape. It is what it is.
What disadvantages are those? What hurdles does fmu have to jump that other big name program's don't?
Harbaugh isn't going anywhere this year. It's hard to imagine a better choice for the program. It has been disappointing so far but Michigan is one if the most unlucky, unfun programs to follow relative to expectations, so it is what it is. We'll have a much better idea where everything stands at the end of this season.
What is this "bad luck" you are referring to?
There's one thing that's blindly wrong with this team. That's a positive in the sense we know what needs corrected. It's one of our worst depth positions, that's partially on Hoke and partially on Harbaugh. We'll have to see if we can get it corrected by our next tough game.
Hoke? How long has Harbaugh been there? Is there even a single player left in the program that was recruited by Hoke and not Harbaugh? Oissh.
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How can you still be blaming Hoke? His last class was 4 years ago. Harbutt has done NOTHING but continue your schools decent into mediocrity
Oh wait, the team got to go to Europe and waste the schools money
I'm not here to teach OSU fans how to read. If you want to come at me in an insulting way with the typical, blinding ridiculousness that's way too common on this board, then there's no reason to engage you. I said partially on Hoke, partially on Harbaugh. That's 100% true. I'm also not going to waste my time breaking down our roster to you or posters like you when I'm just going to anti-Michigan vomit back.
I'm not here to teach OSU fans how to read. If you want to come at me in an insulting way with the typical, blinding ridiculousness that's way too common on this board, then there's no reason to engage you. I said partially on Hoke, partially on Harbaugh. That's 100% true. I'm also not going to waste my time breaking down our roster to you or posters like you when I'm just going to anti-Michigan vomit back.
What do you expect when you make lame excuses? Every team has had injuries to key starting players (including OSU...I mean, remember that last year it was the backup QB that finished the FMU game, and remember that Cardale Jones was like 3rd string QB, after Miller and Barrett a few years ago...etc. etc.)
And then there is this "bad luck" and "disadvantages". ...and Brady Hoke.
Why don't you just give the real, honest, excuse: You just are not good enough. Go ahead, say it.....thatta boy, go on. You can do it Cinderelly, you can do it.
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I’m not sure you can play the Hoke card in year 4 man, especially when you’ve already had two 10-win seasons.
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I'm not here to teach OSU fans how to read. If you want to come at me in an insulting way with the typical, blinding ridiculousness that's way too common on this board, then there's no reason to engage you. I said partially on Hoke, partially on Harbaugh. That's 100% true. I'm also not going to waste my time breaking down our roster to you or posters like you when I'm just going to anti-Michigan vomit back.
What do you expect when you make lame excuses? Every team has had injuries to key starting players (including OSU...I mean, remember that last year it was the backup QB that finished the FMU game, and remember that Cardale Jones was like 3rd string QB, after Miller and Barrett a few years ago...etc. etc.)
And then there is this "bad luck" and "disadvantages". ...and Brady Hoke.
Why don't you just give the real, honest, excuse: You just are not good enough. Go ahead, say it.....thatta boy, go on. You can do it Cinderelly, you can do it.
What do you expect when you make lame excuses? Every team has had injuries to key starting players (including OSU...I mean, remember that last year it was the backup QB that finished the FMU game, and remember that Cardale Jones was like 3rd string QB, after Miller and Barrett a few years ago...etc. etc.)
And then there is this "bad luck" and "disadvantages". ...and Brady Hoke.
Why don't you just give the real, honest, excuse: You just are not good enough. Go ahead, say it.....thatta boy, go on. You can do it Cinderelly, you can do it.
The truth hurts
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I’m not sure you can play the Hoke card in year 4 man, especially when you’ve already had two 10-win seasons.
I’m not sure you can play the Hoke card in year 4 man, especially when you’ve already had two 10-win seasons.
I'm not "playing the Brady Hoke card". I said partial responsibility is held by both staffs. Without getting into all of the details, past recruiting failures by previous regimes made the more recent recruiting failures by current the current regime even worse. Lost redshirts, upperclassmen depth, a terrible transition class, etc. It all effects the current situation, it's just a fact. I'm not playing any card or putting this squarely on Hoke, but I follow the team very closely and have a pretty good understanding of its recent history.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
That’s pretty much the definition of playing the Hoke card. Unless you wanna give a specific example, that doesn’t hold water for me (especially when Michigan signed a class ranked in the twenty-somethings last year).
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I’m not sure you can play the Hoke card in year 4 man, especially when you’ve already had two 10-win seasons.
I'm not "playing the Brady Hoke card". I said partial responsibility is held by both staffs. Without getting into all of the details, past recruiting failures by previous regimes made the more recent recruiting failures by current the current regime even worse. Lost redshirts, upperclassmen depth, a terrible transition class, etc. It all effects the current situation, it's just a fact. I'm not playing any card or putting this squarely on Hoke, but I follow the team very closely and have a pretty good understanding of its recent history.
I'm not "playing the Brady Hoke card". I said partial responsibility is held by both staffs. Without getting into all of the details, past recruiting failures by previous regimes made the more recent recruiting failures by current the current regime even worse. Lost redshirts, upperclassmen depth, a terrible transition class, etc. It all effects the current situation, it's just a fact. I'm not playing any card or putting this squarely on Hoke, but I follow the team very closely and have a pretty good understanding of its recent history.
Yea, I don't think anyone is seeing it. Your recruiting failures (assuming that you are saying that they have had recruiting failures....not sure how to interpret what you are saying there), are partially due to a guy that has not been with your program in 4+ years. ANY issues that affected that program by Hoke woulda/shoulda/coulda been rectified now 4 years later.
Let's just compare: Nick Saban, in his third year , won the National championship, after Bama had been like 5-7 the year before he got there. (and he won the national title in his 4th year at LSU).
Urban Meyer, in his third year at OSU won the National Championship, after the team had been 6-7 the year before he got there. He also won the National Title in his second and 4th years at Florida,
Harbaugh's record, on the other hand, is going backward. 10-3 his first two years, 8-5 last year. Not sure he can improve this year. He may be the anti-Saban.....a better NFL coach than he is a college coach. Note, he has really only had one stellar year as a college HC, at Stanford, going 12-1 once.
YearSchoolGWLTPctSRSSOSAP PreAP HighAP PostBowlNotes
2007Stanford12480.333-1.106.57
2008Stanford12570.417-0.043.79
2009Stanford13850.61510.883.4214Sun Bowl-L
2010Stanford131210.92321.805.0344Orange Bowl-W
2015Michigan131030.76916.344.571212Citrus Bowl-W
2016Michigan131030.76917.564.797210Orange Bowl-L
2017Michigan13850.61513.446.98117Outback Bowl-L
2018Michigan1010.0000.007.0014148 YrsOverall9057330.6339.865.272-34
YrsStanford5029210.5807.894.701-14 YrsMichigan4028120.70011.845.841-2
Maybe, just maybe, he could end up the next HC of the Bengals, or the Bucs, whose coaches I think are on the hot seat. (not the Browns)
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That’s pretty much the definition of playing the Hoke card. Unless you wanna give a specific example, that doesn’t hold water for me (especially when Michigan signed a class ranked in the twenty-somethings last year).
That’s pretty much the definition of playing the Hoke card. Unless you wanna give a specific example, that doesn’t hold water for me (especially when Michigan signed a class ranked in the twenty-somethings last year).
Again, no it isn't. It's not "playing a card". It is just stating facts.
Going back to the tail end of the RRod era through the Hoke era, OL recruiting was pretty bad. This caused us to have to start a true freshman out of position at LT, Mason Cole (who I believe is now starting as a rookie for the Cardinals at C). If there was normal depth, Cole would have been redshirted, as are most OL, allowing him to still be playing this season.
The following season was Hoke's great fall, and the recruiting class reflected that. We had one tackle destined for the NFL and he had a career ending injury. Harbaugh attempted to pick up the pieces in a 3 week transition class.
The next class, Harbaugh's first "full" class (though, the staff is still a little behind as most recruiting starts before a player's Sr year) has its own issues. Those are on Harbaugh. A late decommitment and passing on an OT. That would prove to be disastrous after the career ending injury above. The following year was similar, though not as bad. They aimed high and couldn't walk away with any big names. We would eventually fire our OL coach...
As for last year's class, that shouldn't matter. True freshman should very, very, very rarely ever start at OL, and when they do its usually out of desperation, not talent. Linemen usually need that year to bulk up. Even then, we might turn to one of the true freshmen to try and start this year (desperation). But last year's class being the worst of Harbuagh's main three so far doesn't really play into the situation we're in now.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
That’s pretty much the definition of playing the Hoke card. Unless you wanna give a specific example, that doesn’t hold water for me (especially when Michigan signed a class ranked in the twenty-somethings last year).
Again, no it isn't. It's not "playing a card". It is just stating facts.
Going back to the tail end of the RRod era through the Hoke era, OL recruiting was pretty bad. This caused us to have to start a true freshman out of position at LT, Mason Cole (who I believe is now starting as a rookie for the Cardinals at C). If there was normal depth, Cole would have been redshirted, as are most OL, allowing him to still be playing this season.
The following season was Hoke's great fall, and the recruiting class reflected that. We had one tackle destined for the NFL and he had a career ending injury. Harbaugh attempted to pick up the pieces in a 3 week transition class.
The next class, Harbaugh's first "full" class (though, the staff is still a little behind as most recruiting starts before a player's Sr year) has its own issues. Those are on Harbaugh. A late decommitment and passing on an OT. That would prove to be disastrous after the career ending injury above. The following year was similar, though not as bad. They aimed high and couldn't walk away with any big names. We would eventually fire our OL coach...
As for last year's class, that shouldn't matter. True freshman should very, very, very rarely ever start at OL, and when they do its usually out of desperation, not talent. Linemen usually need that year to bulk up. Even then, we might turn to one of the true freshmen to try and start this year (desperation). But last year's class being the worst of Harbuagh's main three so far doesn't really play into the situation we're in now.
Again, no it isn't. It's not "playing a card". It is just stating facts.
Going back to the tail end of the RRod era through the Hoke era, OL recruiting was pretty bad. This caused us to have to start a true freshman out of position at LT, Mason Cole (who I believe is now starting as a rookie for the Cardinals at C). If there was normal depth, Cole would have been redshirted, as are most OL, allowing him to still be playing this season.
The following season was Hoke's great fall, and the recruiting class reflected that. We had one tackle destined for the NFL and he had a career ending injury. Harbaugh attempted to pick up the pieces in a 3 week transition class.
The next class, Harbaugh's first "full" class (though, the staff is still a little behind as most recruiting starts before a player's Sr year) has its own issues. Those are on Harbaugh. A late decommitment and passing on an OT. That would prove to be disastrous after the career ending injury above. The following year was similar, though not as bad. They aimed high and couldn't walk away with any big names. We would eventually fire our OL coach...
As for last year's class, that shouldn't matter. True freshman should very, very, very rarely ever start at OL, and when they do its usually out of desperation, not talent. Linemen usually need that year to bulk up. Even then, we might turn to one of the true freshmen to try and start this year (desperation). But last year's class being the worst of Harbuagh's main three so far doesn't really play into the situation we're in now.
Every player on this year team was recruited by Harbau so to blame anyone else is ridiculous
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Again, no it isn't. It's not "playing a card". It is just stating facts.
Going back to the tail end of the RRod era through the Hoke era, OL recruiting was pretty bad. This caused us to have to start a true freshman out of position at LT, Mason Cole (who I believe is now starting as a rookie for the Cardinals at C). If there was normal depth, Cole would have been redshirted, as are most OL, allowing him to still be playing this season.
The following season was Hoke's great fall, and the recruiting class reflected that. We had one tackle destined for the NFL and he had a career ending injury. Harbaugh attempted to pick up the pieces in a 3 week transition class.
The next class, Harbaugh's first "full" class (though, the staff is still a little behind as most recruiting starts before a player's Sr year) has its own issues. Those are on Harbaugh. A late decommitment and passing on an OT. That would prove to be disastrous after the career ending injury above. The following year was similar, though not as bad. They aimed high and couldn't walk away with any big names. We would eventually fire our OL coach...
As for last year's class, that shouldn't matter. True freshman should very, very, very rarely ever start at OL, and when they do its usually out of desperation, not talent. Linemen usually need that year to bulk up. Even then, we might turn to one of the true freshmen to try and start this year (desperation). But last year's class being the worst of Harbuagh's main three so far doesn't really play into the situation we're in now.
Every player on this year team was recruited by Harbau so to blame anyone else is ridiculous
Every player on this year team was recruited by Harbau so to blame anyone else is ridiculous
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That's just factually incorrect.
But you have a bad habit of trying to speak like an authority on things you know nothing about. Which is why I have read or responded to most of your posts before this and will continue that going forward. I just had to chime in here as you're clearly wrong, and it would have taken you 30 seconds to check. Smh
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Every player on this year team was recruited by Harbau so to blame anyone else is ridiculous
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That's just factually incorrect.
But you have a bad habit of trying to speak like an authority on things you know nothing about. Which is why I have read or responded to most of your posts before this and will continue that going forward. I just had to chime in here as you're clearly wrong, and it would have taken you 30 seconds to check. Smh
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That's just factually incorrect.
Well, OK, how many like 5th year seniors are still on that team? anyone on that team would have to be a 5th year senior to have been a Hoke recruit. So prove to me that I am factually incorrect. Give the names of those players on the FMU roster that were recruits of Hoke that are still there.
But you have a bad habit of trying to speak like an authority on things you know nothing about. Which is why I have read or responded to most of your posts before this and will continue that going forward. I just had to chime in here as you're clearly wrong, and it would have taken you 30 seconds to check. Smh
I know that it has been 4-5 years now since Hoke was the FMU coach. I know that if there are any Hoke recruits still left on the team that you could probably count them on one hand. Are you claiming that those Hoke recruits have infected the other 80 or so players on that team with their losing disease? If so, then why is Harbaugh keeping them on...if he, and you and the rest of the team and all the alumni and staff, and fans have such disdain for those players?
And then ask, if those recruits of Hoke's on the team are so bad, then why has Harbaugh been unable to coach them up and to cure them of the Hoke stain upon them?
So....go ahead, list the names of all the players still on the FMU roster that were there before Harbaugh came. Prove what you claim.
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That’s pretty much the definition of playing the Hoke card. Unless you wanna give a specific example, that doesn’t hold water for me (especially when Michigan signed a class ranked in the twenty-somethings last year).
Again, no it isn't. It's not "playing a card". It is just stating facts.
Going back to the tail end of the RRod era through the Hoke era, OL recruiting was pretty bad. This caused us to have to start a true freshman out of position at LT, Mason Cole (who I believe is now starting as a rookie for the Cardinals at C). If there was normal depth, Cole would have been redshirted, as are most OL, allowing him to still be playing this season.
The following season was Hoke's great fall, and the recruiting class reflected that. We had one tackle destined for the NFL and he had a career ending injury. Harbaugh attempted to pick up the pieces in a 3 week transition class.
The next class, Harbaugh's first "full" class (though, the staff is still a little behind as most recruiting starts before a player's Sr year) has its own issues. Those are on Harbaugh. A late decommitment and passing on an OT. That would prove to be disastrous after the career ending injury above. The following year was similar, though not as bad. They aimed high and couldn't walk away with any big names. We would eventually fire our OL coach...
As for last year's class, that shouldn't matter. True freshman should very, very, very rarely ever start at OL, and when they do its usually out of desperation, not talent. Linemen usually need that year to bulk up. Even then, we might turn to one of the true freshmen to try and start this year (desperation). But last year's class being the worst of Harbuagh's main three so far doesn't really play into the situation we're in now.
Again, no it isn't. It's not "playing a card". It is just stating facts.
Going back to the tail end of the RRod era through the Hoke era, OL recruiting was pretty bad. This caused us to have to start a true freshman out of position at LT, Mason Cole (who I believe is now starting as a rookie for the Cardinals at C). If there was normal depth, Cole would have been redshirted, as are most OL, allowing him to still be playing this season.
The following season was Hoke's great fall, and the recruiting class reflected that. We had one tackle destined for the NFL and he had a career ending injury. Harbaugh attempted to pick up the pieces in a 3 week transition class.
The next class, Harbaugh's first "full" class (though, the staff is still a little behind as most recruiting starts before a player's Sr year) has its own issues. Those are on Harbaugh. A late decommitment and passing on an OT. That would prove to be disastrous after the career ending injury above. The following year was similar, though not as bad. They aimed high and couldn't walk away with any big names. We would eventually fire our OL coach...
As for last year's class, that shouldn't matter. True freshman should very, very, very rarely ever start at OL, and when they do its usually out of desperation, not talent. Linemen usually need that year to bulk up. Even then, we might turn to one of the true freshmen to try and start this year (desperation). But last year's class being the worst of Harbuagh's main three so far doesn't really play into the situation we're in now.
Call it what you want. Saying some of Harbaugh’s failures in preparing this particular team are in any way Brady Hoke’s fault is “playing the Hoke card.”
So a guy not being able to play his 5th year is a good reason? Seriously? Most of the big time programs have very few guys staying until their 5th year. They’re either run off before then or go to the NFL.
Everyone does the whole transition class thing. That’s no excuse.
Every class matters. The effects of depth trickle upward. The true freshmen push the 2nd stringers which makes the 2nd stringers better which pushes the starters. Gotta sign a top flight class every year. Nevertheless, my point was that I might give a pass on Hoke’s bad recruiting IF Harbaugh was signing consistent top 5 classes. He’s not, so I won’t. If Jimbo ever signed a twenty-something class, I’d panic a decent amount.
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Again, no it isn't. It's not "playing a card". It is just stating facts.
Going back to the tail end of the RRod era through the Hoke era, OL recruiting was pretty bad. This caused us to have to start a true freshman out of position at LT, Mason Cole (who I believe is now starting as a rookie for the Cardinals at C). If there was normal depth, Cole would have been redshirted, as are most OL, allowing him to still be playing this season.
The following season was Hoke's great fall, and the recruiting class reflected that. We had one tackle destined for the NFL and he had a career ending injury. Harbaugh attempted to pick up the pieces in a 3 week transition class.
The next class, Harbaugh's first "full" class (though, the staff is still a little behind as most recruiting starts before a player's Sr year) has its own issues. Those are on Harbaugh. A late decommitment and passing on an OT. That would prove to be disastrous after the career ending injury above. The following year was similar, though not as bad. They aimed high and couldn't walk away with any big names. We would eventually fire our OL coach...
As for last year's class, that shouldn't matter. True freshman should very, very, very rarely ever start at OL, and when they do its usually out of desperation, not talent. Linemen usually need that year to bulk up. Even then, we might turn to one of the true freshmen to try and start this year (desperation). But last year's class being the worst of Harbuagh's main three so far doesn't really play into the situation we're in now.
Call it what you want. Saying some of Harbaugh’s failures in preparing this particular team are in any way Brady Hoke’s fault is “playing the Hoke card.”
So a guy not being able to play his 5th year is a good reason? Seriously? Most of the big time programs have very few guys staying until their 5th year. They’re either run off before then or go to the NFL.
Everyone does the whole transition class thing. That’s no excuse.
Every class matters. The effects of depth trickle upward. The true freshmen push the 2nd stringers which makes the 2nd stringers better which pushes the starters. Gotta sign a top flight class every year. Nevertheless, my point was that I might give a pass on Hoke’s bad recruiting IF Harbaugh was signing consistent top 5 classes. He’s not, so I won’t. If Jimbo ever signed a twenty-something class, I’d panic a decent amount.
Call it what you want. Saying some of Harbaugh’s failures in preparing this particular team are in any way Brady Hoke’s fault is “playing the Hoke card.”
So a guy not being able to play his 5th year is a good reason? Seriously? Most of the big time programs have very few guys staying until their 5th year. They’re either run off before then or go to the NFL.
Everyone does the whole transition class thing. That’s no excuse.
Every class matters. The effects of depth trickle upward. The true freshmen push the 2nd stringers which makes the 2nd stringers better which pushes the starters. Gotta sign a top flight class every year. Nevertheless, my point was that I might give a pass on Hoke’s bad recruiting IF Harbaugh was signing consistent top 5 classes. He’s not, so I won’t. If Jimbo ever signed a twenty-something class, I’d panic a decent amount.
You can call it what you want then to make it sound bad, that's fine. We clearly aren't going to agree. If you refuse to acknowledge the context and recent history leading to where we are now, alright.
Wisconsin, which consistently produces a very good OL, has an entire starting lineup with a Redshirt. Two starters are Redshirt Srs.
I'm sorry, but no. Last year's recruiting class, and the true freshmen OL in it, are not expected to play the vast majority of the time. They are not expected to play a major role in this current years OL depth and performance.
Harbaugh has had 3 full recruiting classes (though even the 2016 class was working from behind some).
According to Rivals:
- 2016 - 4th
- 2017 - 4th
- 2018 - 24th
2018 was obviously not great. Regardless, I think you're trying to make Harbaugh's recruiting seem worse than it is, basing it much more on his recent class. No reason to panic.
In that time A&M was 17, 10 and 16. We'll see how much Jimbo can affect that.
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Call it what you want. Saying some of Harbaugh’s failures in preparing this particular team are in any way Brady Hoke’s fault is “playing the Hoke card.”
So a guy not being able to play his 5th year is a good reason? Seriously? Most of the big time programs have very few guys staying until their 5th year. They’re either run off before then or go to the NFL.
Everyone does the whole transition class thing. That’s no excuse.
Every class matters. The effects of depth trickle upward. The true freshmen push the 2nd stringers which makes the 2nd stringers better which pushes the starters. Gotta sign a top flight class every year. Nevertheless, my point was that I might give a pass on Hoke’s bad recruiting IF Harbaugh was signing consistent top 5 classes. He’s not, so I won’t. If Jimbo ever signed a twenty-something class, I’d panic a decent amount.
You can call it what you want then to make it sound bad, that's fine. We clearly aren't going to agree. If you refuse to acknowledge the context and recent history leading to where we are now, alright.
Wisconsin, which consistently produces a very good OL, has an entire starting lineup with a Redshirt. Two starters are Redshirt Srs.
I'm sorry, but no. Last year's recruiting class, and the true freshmen OL in it, are not expected to play the vast majority of the time. They are not expected to play a major role in this current years OL depth and performance.
Harbaugh has had 3 full recruiting classes (though even the 2016 class was working from behind some).
According to Rivals:
- 2016 - 4th
- 2017 - 4th
- 2018 - 24th
2018 was obviously not great. Regardless, I think you're trying to make Harbaugh's recruiting seem worse than it is, basing it much more on his recent class. No reason to panic.
In that time A&M was 17, 10 and 16. We'll see how much Jimbo can affect that.
You can call it what you want then to make it sound bad, that's fine. We clearly aren't going to agree. If you refuse to acknowledge the context and recent history leading to where we are now, alright.
Wisconsin, which consistently produces a very good OL, has an entire starting lineup with a Redshirt. Two starters are Redshirt Srs.
I'm sorry, but no. Last year's recruiting class, and the true freshmen OL in it, are not expected to play the vast majority of the time. They are not expected to play a major role in this current years OL depth and performance.
Harbaugh has had 3 full recruiting classes (though even the 2016 class was working from behind some).
According to Rivals:
- 2016 - 4th
- 2017 - 4th
- 2018 - 24th
2018 was obviously not great. Regardless, I think you're trying to make Harbaugh's recruiting seem worse than it is, basing it much more on his recent class. No reason to panic.
In that time A&M was 17, 10 and 16. We'll see how much Jimbo can affect that.
Wisconsin is a mostly white nerd team that will never win a national championship. Is that your goal? How many 5th year seniors starting do Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. have? Don’t look to Wisconsin as an example if you want to win really big. If you want to win 10 games a year, then go emulate Wisconsin. Otherwise not relevant.
I never said true freshmen OL should play (though again, many of the big time squads have had those).
And I concede A&M didn’t recruit enough (in fact wrote lengthy blog posts about as much on NSD both 2015 and 16). Jimbo will affect that don’t you worry. Sumlin was an overrated recruiter, never addressed needs, and loved to load up on 4 star receivers while they rest of the SEC stacked the front 7 .
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