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  • Dick MellonD Dick Mellon

    @thenew23 said:

      . . .if you talk to Steelers fans they were not very sad to see him go. . . .

    As a Steelers fan, I was not sad to see him go coz it's Ben's offense now and he has the maturity and experience to run it. The reality is that PIT scored more points with Haley then they ever had in 84 years of being at team.    PIT is still running the Todd Haley offense.  Haley is a bit of an aśshole and he piśsed several people off so he got non-renewed for being a díck.  He is a Pittsburgher, so it should be no surprise to yinz that he is an aśshole and a díck.  We all are.

    Yinz would be much better off with Haley as the Head Coach (HC), as the general impression that Hugh has made with Steelers insiders is that his team lacks discipline and leadership at the HC position.

    Jimmy Haslam, as a Steelers insider has stated that he wants the Browns organization to mirror the Steelers.  A good step in that direction would be to have an aśshole from Pittsburgh as the Brown's HC.

    Haley is dedicated and driven and he will be able to provide the leadership that is missing with Hugh at the controls.

    Haley won 42% of his regular season games as a HC and took his team to the playoffs (1 and done.) How often have the modern Browns won 42% of their games and made the playoffs? CLE has had a winning percentage exceeding 42% four times and made the playoffs once over the past 19 seasons.  

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    @dick-mellon said:

    As a Steelers fan, I was not sad to see him go coz it's Ben's offense now and he has the maturity and experience to run it. The reality is that PIT scored more points with Haley then they ever had in 84 years of being at team.    PIT is still running the Todd Haley offense.  Haley is a bit of an aśshole and he piśsed several people off so he got non-renewed for being a díck.  He is a Pittsburgher, so it should be no surprise to yinz that he is an aśshole and a díck.  We all are.

    Yinz would be much better off with Haley as the Head Coach (HC), as the general impression that Hugh has made with Steelers insiders is that his team lacks discipline and leadership at the HC position.

    Jimmy Haslam, as a Steelers insider has stated that he wants the Browns organization to mirror the Steelers.  A good step in that direction would be to have an aśshole from Pittsburgh as the Brown's HC.

    Haley is dedicated and driven and he will be able to provide the leadership that is missing with Hugh at the controls.

    Haley won 42% of his regular season games as a HC and took his team to the playoffs (1 and done.) How often have the modern Browns won 42% of their games and made the playoffs? CLE has had a winning percentage exceeding 42% four times and made the playoffs once over the past 19 seasons.  

    Uh oh, I agree with a Steeler fan.

    Regarding yesterday's game, I'll take the tie. Down 21-7, it didn't look good at all. Plus, in my office pool I have a 9-6-1 prediction, so I'm in the driver's seat lol.

    On to NO. Let's hope the o line play improves, and we hang in there with a chance for an upset.

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      Some shìtty team with a shìtty O-line will pay Bell way too much money and he will become an average running back.

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      • Dick MellonD Dick Mellon

        @thenew23 said:

          . . .if you talk to Steelers fans they were not very sad to see him go. . . .

        As a Steelers fan, I was not sad to see him go coz it's Ben's offense now and he has the maturity and experience to run it. The reality is that PIT scored more points with Haley then they ever had in 84 years of being at team.    PIT is still running the Todd Haley offense.  Haley is a bit of an aśshole and he piśsed several people off so he got non-renewed for being a díck.  He is a Pittsburgher, so it should be no surprise to yinz that he is an aśshole and a díck.  We all are.

        Yinz would be much better off with Haley as the Head Coach (HC), as the general impression that Hugh has made with Steelers insiders is that his team lacks discipline and leadership at the HC position.

        Jimmy Haslam, as a Steelers insider has stated that he wants the Browns organization to mirror the Steelers.  A good step in that direction would be to have an aśshole from Pittsburgh as the Brown's HC.

        Haley is dedicated and driven and he will be able to provide the leadership that is missing with Hugh at the controls.

        Haley won 42% of his regular season games as a HC and took his team to the playoffs (1 and done.) How often have the modern Browns won 42% of their games and made the playoffs? CLE has had a winning percentage exceeding 42% four times and made the playoffs once over the past 19 seasons.  

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        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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        @dick-mellon said:

        He is a Pittsburgher, so it should be no surprise to yinz that he is an aśshole and a díck.  We all are.

        Highlighting the part that produced my laughter...

        Gotta love good, self-deprecating humor.

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          Dick MellonD Dick Mellon wrote on last edited by
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          Yeh, I have fun with it.  I have been here for seven years now. This is how I lasted so long.

          Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24.
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          • Dick MellonD Dick Mellon

            Yeh, I have fun with it.  I have been here for seven years now. This is how I lasted so long.

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            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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            @dick-mellon said:

            Yeh, I have fun with it.  I have been here for seven years now. This is how I lasted so long.

            That ...and you tend to talk football and not get into insult trading.

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              I'll keep it simple. Defense balled out but we gotta review run schemes. Tia did a great job breaking it down real time, but on a lot of runs our guys were just too far up field. That's a scheme issue more than player issue, at least IMO.

              The reason we tied falls about 90%, on Tyrod Taylor, 10% scheme. I don't expect a 70% completion 3 TD game but Taylor was just missing throws left and right. Gordon late 4th quarter had a step, all you gotta do is at least keep that ball in stride and I trust Flash to get it. The 10% comes for me anyway in that I was baffled we weren't throwing more underneath stuff. I'd guess 17-20 throws were those jump balls which clearly weren't working out (save 3 great catches). I'm a Tyrod defender, but even a below average game from him and we win. I'll give him another game or two to figure this out, but he's got a dome game this week. No excuses not to move the ball.

              I'd point out that on several sacks the pocket was clean enough as well. Tyrod was bailing early and taking so called "coverage sacks". However, I find it hard to believe our guys weren't open on most of those, or at least open enough to throw the dang ball.

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                You can't make this stuff up:

                https://www.yahoo.com/sports/josh-gordon-wasnt-supposed-start-week-1-browns-screwed-224644231.html

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                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                @d-bone said:

                You can't make this stuff up:

                https://www.yahoo.com/sports/josh-gordon-wasnt-supposed-start-week-1-browns-screwed-224644231.html

                Another Hue Jackson special.

                My wife and my daughter now both work with children who are "special".   Maybe we can give  a family discount to help out Hue. 

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                  Here is my tale on the tie:

                  I watched the game with WSS until about the middle of the 3rd qtr.   Score was 21-7.   But I was feeling really sick (not from the game, but you know, actually ill...WSS can tell you).   So I went home and took some drugs and fell asleep, believing that this was just going to be another Browns disaster of a game.  But, when I woke up a couple of hours later, I turned on the late game, which was at about halftime.....and the scroll came across that the game ended in a freaking tie!   I thought   WTF!!  I actually was very happy at the outcome.    It almost felt like a win to me.   

                  So, look at it from that perspective:  if you had fallen asleep believing they were going to get another butt stomping, but you find the game ends in a tie when you wake up.....you would feel pretty good.    Only after I saw the highlights etc. and saw how they should have won the game was that tempered a bit, but not much. 

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                    Here is my tale on the tie:

                    I watched the game with WSS until about the middle of the 3rd qtr.   Score was 21-7.   But I was feeling really sick (not from the game, but you know, actually ill...WSS can tell you).   So I went home and took some drugs and fell asleep, believing that this was just going to be another Browns disaster of a game.  But, when I woke up a couple of hours later, I turned on the late game, which was at about halftime.....and the scroll came across that the game ended in a freaking tie!   I thought   WTF!!  I actually was very happy at the outcome.    It almost felt like a win to me.   

                    So, look at it from that perspective:  if you had fallen asleep believing they were going to get another butt stomping, but you find the game ends in a tie when you wake up.....you would feel pretty good.    Only after I saw the highlights etc. and saw how they should have won the game was that tempered a bit, but not much. 

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                    So, look at it from that perspective:  if you had fallen asleep believing they were going to get another butt stomping, but you find the game ends in a tie when you wake up.....you would feel pretty good.    Only after I saw the highlights etc. and saw how they should have won the game was that tempered a bit, but not much. 

                    That's how I feel.  At 21-7 I figured it was pretty much over and was ready to switch over to the red zone channel and watch some good football and forget about the Browns game but I stayed with it and although, yes the Browns should've won in OT (got to make that kick), the Squeelers should've won the game before that (he's got to make that kick too) so all in all, it's not a loss and I was impressed by the comeback and the fact that the defense held them to 21.  At 21-7, I wouldn't have been shocked to see the game end up 37-14 or some other such blowout score.   Saints this week and the Jets the next will show a lot more to me about how good or bad this team is or can be this season.   Remember last opening day, the game with Pittspuke was close as well and that didn't exactly translate into a successful season.

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                      Landry was overused (like he was in Miami and didnt equal wins) and our best players on offense Duke and Gordon were underused

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                      @londonbrown said:

                      Landry was overused (like he was in Miami and didnt equal wins) and our best players on offense Duke and Gordon were underused

                      Landry was one of the primary reasons we tied the game...  Stan commented that Gordon wasn't getting separation most of the game. Even the TD catch involved some pure athleticism to make the catch- he was covered pretty well.  

                      @domcucch1994 said:

                      Tyrod is supposed to be the "safe" QB who makes good decisions with the ball, but can also dial up a few passes when needed..

                      That last drive in regulation, idk what the fuk he was thinking! That INT he threw was costly.. We were going down the field, about to score..

                      We could of ran some inside slants or comeback routes, but noooo lets let TT throw up a fuking duck like that...

                      HE was not impressive.. Outside of his ability to run, he is mediocre at best..

                      Mostly in reply to Tour. I didn't feel it was all that windy. But in the 4th quarter the rain really picked up. That pass to Higgins was badly under thrown, another 3-5 yards of air under it, Higgins has a TD. Taylor had a slew of really bad throws besides that one- I hope it was just the conditions. Don't forget Ben had those off target passes that got picked too.  🙂  

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                      • Mark OM Mark O

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                        So, look at it from that perspective:  if you had fallen asleep believing they were going to get another butt stomping, but you find the game ends in a tie when you wake up.....you would feel pretty good.    Only after I saw the highlights etc. and saw how they should have won the game was that tempered a bit, but not much. 

                        That's how I feel.  At 21-7 I figured it was pretty much over and was ready to switch over to the red zone channel and watch some good football and forget about the Browns game but I stayed with it and although, yes the Browns should've won in OT (got to make that kick), the Squeelers should've won the game before that (he's got to make that kick too) so all in all, it's not a loss and I was impressed by the comeback and the fact that the defense held them to 21.  At 21-7, I wouldn't have been shocked to see the game end up 37-14 or some other such blowout score.   Saints this week and the Jets the next will show a lot more to me about how good or bad this team is or can be this season.   Remember last opening day, the game with Pittspuke was close as well and that didn't exactly translate into a successful season.

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                        That's how I feel.  At 21-7 I figured it was pretty much over and was ready to switch over to the red zone channel and watch some good football and forget about the Browns game but I stayed with it and although, yes the Browns should've won in OT (got to make that kick), the Squeelers should've won the game before that (he's got to make that kick too) so all in all, it's not a loss and I was impressed by the comeback and the fact that the defense held them to 21.  At 21-7, I wouldn't have been shocked to see the game end up 37-14 or some other such blowout score.   Saints this week and the Jets the next will show a lot more to me about how good or bad this team is or can be this season.   Remember last opening day, the game with Pittspuke was close as well and that didn't exactly translate into a successful season.

                        One man's play infected the whole team that last quarter. Myles Garrett had said before the game that it's the 4th quarter that separates good play from great play. The whole team fed off his 4th Q play.

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                          A big problem I have with Taylor is he can't throw the deep out ,let alone hit the broad side of a garage.. If a QB can't hit the deep out.. I have no use for him...

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                            Here is my tale on the tie:

                            I watched the game with WSS until about the middle of the 3rd qtr.   Score was 21-7.   But I was feeling really sick (not from the game, but you know, actually ill...WSS can tell you).   So I went home and took some drugs and fell asleep, believing that this was just going to be another Browns disaster of a game.  But, when I woke up a couple of hours later, I turned on the late game, which was at about halftime.....and the scroll came across that the game ended in a freaking tie!   I thought   WTF!!  I actually was very happy at the outcome.    It almost felt like a win to me.   

                            So, look at it from that perspective:  if you had fallen asleep believing they were going to get another butt stomping, but you find the game ends in a tie when you wake up.....you would feel pretty good.    Only after I saw the highlights etc. and saw how they should have won the game was that tempered a bit, but not much. 

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Here is my tale on the tie:

                            I watched the game with WSS until about the middle of the 3rd qtr.   Score was 21-7.   But I was feeling really sick (not from the game, but you know, actually ill...WSS can tell you).   So I went home and took some drugs and fell asleep, believing that this was just going to be another Browns disaster of a game.  But, when I woke up a couple of hours later, I turned on the late game, which was at about halftime.....and the scroll came across that the game ended in a freaking tie!   I thought   WTF!!  I actually was very happy at the outcome.    It almost felt like a win to me.   

                            So, look at it from that perspective:  if you had fallen asleep believing they were going to get another butt stomping, but you find the game ends in a tie when you wake up.....you would feel pretty good.    Only after I saw the highlights etc. and saw how they should have won the game was that tempered a bit, but not much. 

                            I well remember napping off for a good portion of the Bills- Houston playoff game when down (OK, I had to look- 28-3 at halftime) Frank Reich pulled off the greatest comeback in NFL history. Woke up in the 4th quarter and holy sh-it, the Bills have a chance.  

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                              @the-gipper said:

                              So, look at it from that perspective:  if you had fallen asleep believing they were going to get another butt stomping, but you find the game ends in a tie when you wake up.....you would feel pretty good.    Only after I saw the highlights etc. and saw how they should have won the game was that tempered a bit, but not much. 

                              That's how I feel.  At 21-7 I figured it was pretty much over and was ready to switch over to the red zone channel and watch some good football and forget about the Browns game but I stayed with it and although, yes the Browns should've won in OT (got to make that kick), the Squeelers should've won the game before that (he's got to make that kick too) so all in all, it's not a loss and I was impressed by the comeback and the fact that the defense held them to 21.  At 21-7, I wouldn't have been shocked to see the game end up 37-14 or some other such blowout score.   Saints this week and the Jets the next will show a lot more to me about how good or bad this team is or can be this season.   Remember last opening day, the game with Pittspuke was close as well and that didn't exactly translate into a successful season.

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                              @mark-o said:

                              That's how I feel.  At 21-7 I figured it was pretty much over and was ready to switch over to the red zone channel and watch some good football and forget about the Browns game but I stayed with it and although, yes the Browns should've won in OT (got to make that kick), the Squeelers should've won the game before that (he's got to make that kick too) so all in all, it's not a loss and I was impressed by the comeback and the fact that the defense held them to 21.  At 21-7, I wouldn't have been shocked to see the game end up 37-14 or some other such blowout score.   Saints this week and the Jets the next will show a lot more to me about how good or bad this team is or can be this season.   Remember last opening day, the game with Pittspuke was close as well and that didn't exactly translate into a successful season.

                              We'll have a better idea where the Browns are this coming Sunday Mark. Indoor conditions- and the Saints are going to be in a foul mood blowing that game to the Bucs. As one guy commented- at least 25% of the Survivor pools got blown up after that upset. 

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                                @mark-o said:

                                That's how I feel.  At 21-7 I figured it was pretty much over and was ready to switch over to the red zone channel and watch some good football and forget about the Browns game but I stayed with it and although, yes the Browns should've won in OT (got to make that kick), the Squeelers should've won the game before that (he's got to make that kick too) so all in all, it's not a loss and I was impressed by the comeback and the fact that the defense held them to 21.  At 21-7, I wouldn't have been shocked to see the game end up 37-14 or some other such blowout score.   Saints this week and the Jets the next will show a lot more to me about how good or bad this team is or can be this season.   Remember last opening day, the game with Pittspuke was close as well and that didn't exactly translate into a successful season.

                                We'll have a better idea where the Browns are this coming Sunday Mark. Indoor conditions- and the Saints are going to be in a foul mood blowing that game to the Bucs. As one guy commented- at least 25% of the Survivor pools got blown up after that upset. 

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                                We'll have a better idea where the Browns are this coming Sunday Mark. Indoor conditions- and the Saints are going to be in a foul mood blowing that game to the Bucs. As one guy commented- at least 25% of the Survivor pools got blown up after that upset. 

                                Well if the Browns lose next Sunday.. I won't be surprised if the wheels start spinning and the countdown on Hue's inevitable ouster begins... Because what I saw out there still looks unorganized...

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                                  @mark-o said:

                                  That's how I feel.  At 21-7 I figured it was pretty much over and was ready to switch over to the red zone channel and watch some good football and forget about the Browns game but I stayed with it and although, yes the Browns should've won in OT (got to make that kick), the Squeelers should've won the game before that (he's got to make that kick too) so all in all, it's not a loss and I was impressed by the comeback and the fact that the defense held them to 21.  At 21-7, I wouldn't have been shocked to see the game end up 37-14 or some other such blowout score.   Saints this week and the Jets the next will show a lot more to me about how good or bad this team is or can be this season.   Remember last opening day, the game with Pittspuke was close as well and that didn't exactly translate into a successful season.

                                  We'll have a better idea where the Browns are this coming Sunday Mark. Indoor conditions- and the Saints are going to be in a foul mood blowing that game to the Bucs. As one guy commented- at least 25% of the Survivor pools got blown up after that upset. 

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                                  We'll have a better idea where the Browns are this coming Sunday Mark. Indoor conditions- and the Saints are going to be in a foul mood blowing that game to the Bucs. As one guy commented- at least 25% of the Survivor pools got blown up after that upset. 

                                  I agree.   Saints offense is still great but man that defense blows.   48 to the Bucs??   That's just not good at all.

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                                    We would have won the game without all the offsides and procedure penalties.  Thankscoach!

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                                    @flyingfooldoug said:

                                    We would have won the game without all the offsides and procedure penalties.  Thankscoach!

                                    Can you remind me on which play Hue was called offsides?? Perhaps the rain was in my eyes......

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                                      We'll have a better idea where the Browns are this coming Sunday Mark. Indoor conditions- and the Saints are going to be in a foul mood blowing that game to the Bucs. As one guy commented- at least 25% of the Survivor pools got blown up after that upset. 

                                      Well if the Browns lose next Sunday.. I won't be surprised if the wheels start spinning and the countdown on Hue's inevitable ouster begins... Because what I saw out there still looks unorganized...

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                                      Well if the Browns lose next Sunday.. I won't be surprised if the wheels start spinning and the countdown on Hue's inevitable ouster begins... Because what I saw out there still looks unorganized...

                                      For sure,   but the other countdown will probably on TTs time as a starting QB.

                                      I mean, yes, conditions were bad, but 15/40 is only 37.5%....and it not like he was taking a ton of chances downfield in this rain.  If not for being a Black Tarkenton and running a lot, he would have been considered to have had a disastrous day.

                                      Fair to say?

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                                        @nickers said:

                                        Well if the Browns lose next Sunday.. I won't be surprised if the wheels start spinning and the countdown on Hue's inevitable ouster begins... Because what I saw out there still looks unorganized...

                                        For sure,   but the other countdown will probably on TTs time as a starting QB.

                                        I mean, yes, conditions were bad, but 15/40 is only 37.5%....and it not like he was taking a ton of chances downfield in this rain.  If not for being a Black Tarkenton and running a lot, he would have been considered to have had a disastrous day.

                                        Fair to say?

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                                        @the-gipper said:

                                        For sure,   but the other countdown will probably on TTs time as a starting QB.

                                        I mean, yes, conditions were bad, but 15/40 is only 37.5%....and it not like he was taking a ton of chances downfield in this rain.  If not for being a Black Tarkenton and running a lot, he would have been considered to have had a disastrous day.

                                        Fair to say?

                                        Just can't hardly wait for the return of Ghoolie after his time out. Black Tarkenton indeed. He may have trouble seeing the field (Stan said he missed seeing a lot of guys that were wide open). Therefore, holds on to the ball too long, and has to use his feet to bail out of trouble when the pocket collapses. But put the blame on the o-line for some of his running, they weren't exactly giving him a lot of time, giving up seven sacks. 

                                        Any of his posts referring to Garrett as a Zumba instructor are gonna get deleted. Myles played like the #1 overall pick in the draft yesterday. Some of those holding calls the Steelers racked up were due to that's the only way they were stopping Myles. BTW, the reffing sucked in that game- should have been a PI in the end zone earlier. Gordon had his guy beat, and the Pittsburgh defender essentially had Flash in a headlock- no call. 

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                                          Well if the Browns lose next Sunday.. I won't be surprised if the wheels start spinning and the countdown on Hue's inevitable ouster begins... Because what I saw out there still looks unorganized...

                                          For sure,   but the other countdown will probably on TTs time as a starting QB.

                                          I mean, yes, conditions were bad, but 15/40 is only 37.5%....and it not like he was taking a ton of chances downfield in this rain.  If not for being a Black Tarkenton and running a lot, he would have been considered to have had a disastrous day.

                                          Fair to say?

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                                          @the-gipper said:

                                          For sure,   but the other countdown will probably on TTs time as a starting QB.

                                          I mean, yes, conditions were bad, but 15/40 is only 37.5%....and it not like he was taking a ton of chances downfield in this rain.  If not for being a Black Tarkenton and running a lot, he would have been considered to have had a disastrous day.

                                          Fair to say?

                                          No argument.. However.. This is year 3 under Hue's stewardship.. I see no improvement by way of penalties.. This to me is a clear indicator Hue lacks discipline and leadership... I understand that he's not out there playing.. But this is uncalled for and unacceptable.... Somewhere down the line there has to be accountability.. So far Hue has been nothing but a back stabbing , caniving fool who loves to pass the blame...

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