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why was gordon ignored for most of the game yesterday?

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  • i started saying wheres josh around thev2nd quarter so from then on i was paying attn to how pgh was guarding him. Every time i looked down and saw #12 he was in single bump and run coverage.

    Now i was at the game so i have to admit that 5-7 mins into the 4th we left down 21-7. Missed the whole comeback. So i know now what josh did, obviously....my question is why did it take till the 4th to target him? That cant be hue's call cause he has a huge boner for josh. This has to be haley. This has to be that indifference we saw during hard knocks towards josh. 

    i get it if haley isnt terribly fond of a guy who shows so much promise than constantly flakes. Hard to design ur offense around that. But if pgh is gonna leave josh in single coverage, i mean, if he's out there throw to him. Pgh was not worried about josh gordon and thats a problem. A team worried about josh gordon opens things for ither wr's and also the run game.

    for multiple reasons im concerned about internal power struggles inside the org

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  • Honestly I think the OLine was so bad the first half that Tyrod didn’t even have time to look downfield to hit a WR. 

    I think I heard the announcer say late in the second that the play Landry had to stop and make a cirus catch was the first WR completetion.

    I’d also believe that Josh was probably not on the same page most of the game too.... Probably a combo of both.

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    i started saying wheres josh around thev2nd quarter so from then on i was paying attn to how pgh was guarding him. Every time i looked down and saw #12 he was in single bump and run coverage.

    Now i was at the game so i have to admit that 5-7 mins into the 4th we left down 21-7. Missed the whole comeback. So i know now what josh did, obviously....my question is why did it take till the 4th to target him? That cant be hue's call cause he has a huge boner for josh. This has to be haley. This has to be that indifference we saw during hard knocks towards josh. 

    i get it if haley isnt terribly fond of a guy who shows so much promise than constantly flakes. Hard to design ur offense around that. But if pgh is gonna leave josh in single coverage, i mean, if he's out there throw to him. Pgh was not worried about josh gordon and thats a problem. A team worried about josh gordon opens things for ither wr's and also the run game.

    for multiple reasons im concerned about internal power struggles inside the org

    @clevfan4life said:

    i started saying wheres josh around thev2nd quarter so from then on i was paying attn to how pgh was guarding him. Every time i looked down and saw #12 he was in single bump and run coverage.

    Now i was at the game so i have to admit that 5-7 mins into the 4th we left down 21-7. Missed the whole comeback. So i know now what josh did, obviously....my question is why did it take till the 4th to target him? That cant be hue's call cause he has a huge boner for josh. This has to be haley. This has to be that indifference we saw during hard knocks towards josh. 

    i get it if haley isnt terribly fond of a guy who shows so much promise than constantly flakes. Hard to design ur offense around that. But if pgh is gonna leave josh in single coverage, i mean, if he's out there throw to him. Pgh was not worried about josh gordon and thats a problem. A team worried about josh gordon opens things for ither wr's and also the run game.

    for multiple reasons im concerned about internal power struggles inside the org

    He was covered most of the time ... more time in camp would have helped. And it was always a broken play behind that line too.

    He's a stud, he'll get better and hopefully the line will too.

    Z

  • I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    Pretty much what I saw from the TV myself..... not much of a sample size I wholeheartedly admit, but I don't remember seeing him get off the line of scrimmage and making me think "oh yea, he's gonna be open". 

    2013 was a long time ago...................... 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    Might take some time.   He's only been practicing a week or two.  Plus the timing between him and Tyrod will take a bit of time and practice.

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    @dutch-oven said:

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    Might take some time.   He's only been practicing a week or two.  Plus the timing between him and Tyrod will take a bit of time and practice.

    @mark-o said:

    Might take some time.   He's only been practicing a week or two.  Plus the timing between him and Tyrod will take a bit of time and practice.

    This offense might take some time, period. 

    You have a new starting QB throwing to a WR in Gordon who had virtually no training camp who has barely played in the last four years, with an OLine with a guard in Zeitler who missed a lot of time in training camp on the right side, and a left side that had Bitonio as the apparent LT until right up to the end of camp, then moved back to LG and an undrafted rookie inserted into Joe Thomas' shoes. Plus Fells and Landry are new to the Browns, as are 2 of the 3 RBs. 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @mark-o said:

    Might take some time.   He's only been practicing a week or two.  Plus the timing between him and Tyrod will take a bit of time and practice.

    This offense might take some time, period. 

    You have a new starting QB throwing to a WR in Gordon who had virtually no training camp who has barely played in the last four years, with an OLine with a guard in Zeitler who missed a lot of time in training camp on the right side, and a left side that had Bitonio as the apparent LT until right up to the end of camp, then moved back to LG and an undrafted rookie inserted into Joe Thomas' shoes. Plus Fells and Landry are new to the Browns, as are 2 of the 3 RBs. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    This offense might take some time, period. 

    You have a new starting QB throwing to a WR in Gordon who had virtually no training camp who has barely played in the last four years, with an OLine with a guard in Zeitler who missed a lot of time in training camp on the right side, and a left side that had Bitonio as the apparent LT until right up to the end of camp, then moved back to LG and an undrafted rookie inserted into Joe Thomas' shoes. Plus Fells and Landry are new to the Browns, as are 2 of the 3 RBs. 

    At least we still have Hue. 

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    @dutch-oven said:

    This offense might take some time, period. 

    You have a new starting QB throwing to a WR in Gordon who had virtually no training camp who has barely played in the last four years, with an OLine with a guard in Zeitler who missed a lot of time in training camp on the right side, and a left side that had Bitonio as the apparent LT until right up to the end of camp, then moved back to LG and an undrafted rookie inserted into Joe Thomas' shoes. Plus Fells and Landry are new to the Browns, as are 2 of the 3 RBs. 

    At least we still have Hue. 

    @d-bone said:

    At least we still have Hue. 

    I'll be happier when we don't have Hue.

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    @d-bone said:

    At least we still have Hue. 

    I'll be happier when we don't have Hue.

    @mark-o said:

    I'll be happier when we don't have Hue.

    Well, I guess it could be worse, we could have Matt Patricia. 

  • I focused on Gordon a lot. He played like a fat out of shape pig. I give him credit that he ran his route each rep (although nothing extra), but he wore a Steeler DB like a prep sweater. I’d imagine chicks broke free from being trapped in a bathroom stall with Roethlustberger than Josh shed coverage on Sunday. Get your ass in shape dumbass. 

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  • ok well if he wasn't getting open than fine, hard to see that often from the stands. But sht, Pgh was stacking the box....just a deep wing over everyone's head targeting josh will get a secondary at least thinking about the deep ball and maybe help get some other guys open. It was good to see him get that TD tho…...and you can tell how much the team must like him so that kind of speaks for him. After all that's gone on, most guys on most teams would be over a guy with those troubles. 

  • Not always going to be open but he was one on one plenty and Tyrod wouldnt go to him, Steelers were almost daring us to throw to Josh and we bailed

  • L LondonBrown

    Not always going to be open but he was one on one plenty and Tyrod wouldnt go to him, Steelers were almost daring us to throw to Josh and we bailed

    @londonbrown said:

    Not always going to be open but he was one on one plenty and Tyrod wouldnt go to him, Steelers were almost daring us to throw to Josh and we bailed

    And when he's 1 on 1 you put the ball up high and let him take it away. He is good at that as evidenced by the TD.

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    @londonbrown said:

    Not always going to be open but he was one on one plenty and Tyrod wouldnt go to him, Steelers were almost daring us to throw to Josh and we bailed

    And when he's 1 on 1 you put the ball up high and let him take it away. He is good at that as evidenced by the TD.

    @texasag1969 said:

    And when he's 1 on 1 you put the ball up high and let him take it away. He is good at that as evidenced by the TD.

    Yep and get the ball in his hands on slants etc, sending him deep all the time is a waste

    I'll never forget him running past Aqil Talib in NE for a TD, was a blur

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    @texasag1969 said:

    And when he's 1 on 1 you put the ball up high and let him take it away. He is good at that as evidenced by the TD.

    Yep and get the ball in his hands on slants etc, sending him deep all the time is a waste

    I'll never forget him running past Aqil Talib in NE for a TD, was a blur

    @londonbrown said:

    Yep and get the ball in his hands on slants etc, sending him deep all the time is a waste

    Yup... he's made a lot of yards on quick slants and bubble screens. Would have been nice to see one of each last Sunday.

    That said... Hue said we had a plan for Josh. As I said in the Tavern it looked to me that that plan was to be a decoy. Announcers mentioned a couple times that the FS was shading to JG's side.

    Then again Hue said JG wasn't going to start and apparently that was not part of the "ruse"... it was just a classic miscommunication... or a big FU from Haley to Hue.

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    I heard the announcers say several times "Tyrod had time but no one was open."
     

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  • The announcers said several times "I'm surprised Tyrod didn't give Josh a shot because he had single coverage outside". I literally heard them say that at least twice. And then at the end of regulation, Tyrod finally gives it a shot, and guess what? He throws a terrible ball that's picked off. All he had to freaking do was get the ball out in front to give Josh a chance. Either Josh gets it or it's incomplete. I don't freaking understand. 

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @dutch-oven said:

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    Might take some time.   He's only been practicing a week or two.  Plus the timing between him and Tyrod will take a bit of time and practice.

    @mark-o said:

    Might take some time.   He's only been practicing a week or two.  Plus the timing between him and Tyrod will take a bit of time and practice.

    I think that is pretty much it.

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    @dutch-oven said:

    I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation... 

    I heard the announcers say several times "Tyrod had time but no one was open."
     

    @dste-ace said:

    I heard the announcers say several times "Tyrod had time but no one was open."
     

    And I heard people say:  "People were open but Tyrod didn't see them, or if he saw them, he chose not to throw it to them."

    Now, part of that may be the pressure on him, part of it may be his conservative style, and part of it may be that he just does not have quick reactive timing to get the ball to people.    Or a combination of all three.

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