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  • @syd said:

    don't you people have fuking jobs

    I reign supreme over planet earth. It’s a tough job but somebody’s got to do it. 

    @the-gipper said:

    I reign supreme over planet earth. It’s a tough job but somebody’s got to do it. 

    Why are all lawyers delusional?

  • Haslam over compensated by not firing Hue at the end of last season. He had become labeled as an owner with an itchy trigger finger, after creating a revolving door situation for head coaches in Cleveland. That is something that the local and national media created, so they could slap another negative on anything Cleveland. If this had been the Modell ownership, he would have been gone by game 8 of his first season. He obviously is not HC material, and never will be. I would like to think that Hue is on a short leash, but I've stopped trying to predict the Haslams. I would think at this point, after the success they have achieved in business, they would not be so concerned with how the media perceives them. My absolute biggest concern at this moment, is that there will be a power struggle between Haley / Williams and Hue, and the Haslams will side with Hue, and fire the coordinators.

    @lodilobo said:

    Haslam over compensated by not firing Hue at the end of last season. He had become labeled as an owner with an itchy trigger finger, after creating a revolving door situation for head coaches in Cleveland. That is something that the local and national media created, so they could slap another negative on anything Cleveland.

    Reporting facts is not creating anything. 

    The Haslams rightfully earned their 'itchy trigger finger" reputation. Chudzinski got ONE year, Pettine got TWO years. 

  • @lodilobo said:

    Haslam over compensated by not firing Hue at the end of last season. He had become labeled as an owner with an itchy trigger finger, after creating a revolving door situation for head coaches in Cleveland. That is something that the local and national media created, so they could slap another negative on anything Cleveland.

    Reporting facts is not creating anything. 

    The Haslams rightfully earned their 'itchy trigger finger" reputation. Chudzinski got ONE year, Pettine got TWO years. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Reporting facts is not creating anything. 

    The Haslams rightfully earned their 'itchy trigger finger" reputation. Chudzinski got ONE year, Pettine got TWO years. 

    This is the thinking that keeps Hue employed. At 1 - 31 he would have rightfully been fired by any other owner.

  • @choco said:

    was traveling up to clarion the other day and decided to stop in kittaning for some andy fat back BBQ.  

    and boy was it good...little hole in the wall joint with about 5 chairs...

    Clarion, PA? 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Clarion, PA? 

    yup...tis where i was born....also where my camp is....

  • @the-gipper said:

    I reign supreme over planet earth. It’s a tough job but somebody’s got to do it. 

    Why are all lawyers delusional?

    @lodilobo said:

    Why are all lawyers delusional?

    What makes you think there is any delusion at all to this?   I mean, if you do not tow the line, I will send you to one of my minions:  this guy:

  • @the-gipper said:

    I reign supreme over planet earth. It’s a tough job but somebody’s got to do it. 

    Why are all lawyers delusional?

    @lodilobo said:

    Why are all lawyers delusional?

    Or I will turn you over to this guy:

  • Haslam over compensated by not firing Hue at the end of last season. He had become labeled as an owner with an itchy trigger finger, after creating a revolving door situation for head coaches in Cleveland. That is something that the local and national media created, so they could slap another negative on anything Cleveland. If this had been the Modell ownership, he would have been gone by game 8 of his first season. He obviously is not HC material, and never will be. I would like to think that Hue is on a short leash, but I've stopped trying to predict the Haslams. I would think at this point, after the success they have achieved in business, they would not be so concerned with how the media perceives them. My absolute biggest concern at this moment, is that there will be a power struggle between Haley / Williams and Hue, and the Haslams will side with Hue, and fire the coordinators.

    @lodilobo said:

    Haslam over compensated by not firing Hue at the end of last season. He had become labeled as an owner with an itchy trigger finger, after creating a revolving door situation for head coaches in Cleveland. That is something that the local and national media created, so they could slap another negative on anything Cleveland. If this had been the Modell ownership, he would have been gone by game 8 of his first season. He obviously is not HC material, and never will be. I would like to think that Hue is on a short leash, but I've stopped trying to predict the Haslams. I would think at this point, after the success they have achieved in business, they would not be so concerned with how the media perceives them. My absolute biggest concern at this moment, is that there will be a power struggle between Haley / Williams and Hue, and the Haslams will side with Hue, and fire the coordinators.

    That's never the way it works. This is Hue's ship, and if it starts taking on water and sinking (with a bad record) he's going down with it. Either Haley or Williams will be promoted as interim head coach, I guarantee it.

    It's obvious to me that Hue had some of his power removed. Dorsey is doing the roster, and I doubt hiring Haley was entirely Jackson's idea.

  • @lodilobo said:

    Haslam over compensated by not firing Hue at the end of last season. He had become labeled as an owner with an itchy trigger finger, after creating a revolving door situation for head coaches in Cleveland. That is something that the local and national media created, so they could slap another negative on anything Cleveland. If this had been the Modell ownership, he would have been gone by game 8 of his first season. He obviously is not HC material, and never will be. I would like to think that Hue is on a short leash, but I've stopped trying to predict the Haslams. I would think at this point, after the success they have achieved in business, they would not be so concerned with how the media perceives them. My absolute biggest concern at this moment, is that there will be a power struggle between Haley / Williams and Hue, and the Haslams will side with Hue, and fire the coordinators.

    That's never the way it works. This is Hue's ship, and if it starts taking on water and sinking (with a bad record) he's going down with it. Either Haley or Williams will be promoted as interim head coach, I guarantee it.

    It's obvious to me that Hue had some of his power removed. Dorsey is doing the roster, and I doubt hiring Haley was entirely Jackson's idea.

    @hoorta said:

    That's never the way it works. This is Hue's ship, and if it starts taking on water and sinking (with a bad record) he's going down with it. Either Haley or Williams will be promoted as interim head coach, I guarantee it.

    Well, as I see it, they hit the iceberg after his first season here,   And after last year, the ship snapped in two.  And if he fails again this year as badly, it means that the whole thing has broken apart and is headed for the bottom of the ocean.

  • @lodilobo said:

    Why are all lawyers delusional?

    What makes you think there is any delusion at all to this?   I mean, if you do not tow the line, I will send you to one of my minions:  this guy:

    @the-gipper said:

    What makes you think there is any delusion at all to this?   I mean, if you do not tow the line, I will send you to one of my minions:  this guy:

    Thanks for proving my statement, and leaving no doubt.

  • Hue is out of excuses and he knows it. This is the fabled “year three” that everyone has been talking about.  If Hue doesn’t produce wins early he will get desperate and panic, as we’ve seen before.  If the Browns are 1-4-1 Hue will turn to Mayfield, and from there on out Jackson’s job is in Baker’s hands. 

  • Haslam over compensated by not firing Hue at the end of last season. He had become labeled as an owner with an itchy trigger finger, after creating a revolving door situation for head coaches in Cleveland. That is something that the local and national media created, so they could slap another negative on anything Cleveland. If this had been the Modell ownership, he would have been gone by game 8 of his first season. He obviously is not HC material, and never will be. I would like to think that Hue is on a short leash, but I've stopped trying to predict the Haslams. I would think at this point, after the success they have achieved in business, they would not be so concerned with how the media perceives them. My absolute biggest concern at this moment, is that there will be a power struggle between Haley / Williams and Hue, and the Haslams will side with Hue, and fire the coordinators.

    @lodilobo said:

    Haslam over compensated by not firing Hue at the end of last season. He had become labeled as an owner with an itchy trigger finger, after creating a revolving door situation for head coaches in Cleveland. That is something that the local and national media created, so they could slap another negative on anything Cleveland. If this had been the Modell ownership, he would have been gone by game 8 of his first season. He obviously is not HC material, and never will be. I would like to think that Hue is on a short leash, but I've stopped trying to predict the Haslams. I would think at this point, after the success they have achieved in business, they would not be so concerned with how the media perceives them. My absolute biggest concern at this moment, is that there will be a power struggle between Haley / Williams and Hue, and the Haslams will side with Hue, and fire the coordinators.

    Part of what you say I believe is true, but part of it is speculation on what goes on in Haslam's mind. It may be true but then your own post kind of exposes the said speculation because you admit that predicting Haslam's mind is impossible.

    I do believe Hasmam will side with Hue and the coordinators will be gone. 

    I don't mean this in a arrogant way but in my.carreer I have several times been in jobs that I was involved with CEO/board decisions. I was on the low end of things and was  tag along, not a decision maker, but still I was in meetings the board and the top 3 or for execs in a company.

    What I learned is that the general public, you and me, the fans, only see The choices of a guy like Haslam from our personal interest/point of view. In other words, we believe Haslam's life centers around football, winning, and all the things that matter to us come gameday.

    However, Haslam's life, and goals are much broader than any of us can know. On one hand, it may be as we think, Hue could be on a short leash. Anothre possibility, and don't go off on me about being racist, is that Haslam and his wife have business interests that are enhanced by supporting a black HC, or it may be that the Haslam's honestly and heartily believe in broadening the racial equality in the NFL coaching system. It also could be that on a personal note they just like and believe in Hue over all this losing period.

    I am not insinuation that Hue is some affirmative action coach. As I said before, this is a man of high character, and I admire him. Few.of us would have weathered the storm he has. And....with that said, it may be his character through all of this that has made Haslam believe in him even more.

    All I am saying is, people who are filthy wealthy don't live in the world that we do. They have research, demographics and a much broader business plan for their empire than we can appreciate.

    My defense for my thinking is not just my experience, but also reality. Here are two things for you to consider.

    1) Hue Jackson  is 1-31-1. Do you believe if he were unemployed that any other NFL would hire him? The answer is obvious. So then ask yourself, why is he still here? For Haslam to save ridicule of being called a quick trigger? is that better than the ridicule of sticking with 1-31-1? Sorry bro, there are things unseen to us.

    2) If Tomlin or  any other coach was 1-31-1 the talking heads would be cutting the guy apart  daily, speculating his firing. But when they talked about coaches in the hot seat, Hue, the worst of all by record seems to be hands-off.

    You don't think that is a bit weird?

    This is not just about football and the Browns. There is more driving Haslam that just the Browns record and FO.

  • @the-gipper said:

    What makes you think there is any delusion at all to this?   I mean, if you do not tow the line, I will send you to one of my minions:  this guy:

    Thanks for proving my statement, and leaving no doubt.

    @lodilobo said:

    Thanks for proving my statement, and leaving no doubt.

    About you needing a humor  gland transplant?  There seems little doubt about that, yes.

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  • It was intended to be humorous....I was obviously screwing with you. Really....I believe that there could possibly be a lawyer out there somewhere who isn't delusional. 

  • Your point is taken...however....this is a football forum. I do not know, or care to know the dirty little secrets of the Haslam family or their business practices outside of the Browns. Don't worry....you will have to go a hell of a lot farther for me to consider you a racist. I hope we are wrong about Haslam siding with Hue, but as I said, it's something I fear, and it wouldn't surprise me.

  • It was intended to be humorous....I was obviously screwing with you. Really....I believe that there could possibly be a lawyer out there somewhere who isn't delusional. 

    @lodilobo said:

    It was intended to be humorous....I was obviously screwing with you. Really....I believe that there could possibly be a lawyer out there somewhere who isn't delusional. 

    Have you made your Will yet?   POAs?  DPAHC?  

    You are in Lodi, I am not that far away.    I could set you up!   😉

  • I'm too young to think of such things. I will let you know when I'm ready. Thanks, anyway. 

  • @lodilobo said:

    It was intended to be humorous....I was obviously screwing with you. Really....I believe that there could possibly be a lawyer out there somewhere who isn't delusional. 

    Have you made your Will yet?   POAs?  DPAHC?  

    You are in Lodi, I am not that far away.    I could set you up!   😉

    @the-gipper said:

    Have you made your Will yet?   POAs?  DPAHC?  

    You are in Lodi, I am not that far away.    I could set you up!   😉

    In other scenarios, asking someone in the internet if he has made his Will would have an entirely different meaning...

  •   click^^ opening this >>  https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/13/brogan-roback-loves-his-present-from-baker-mayfield/  by all means, go back and lol at video? sorry, but in reality, I still woke up to electrical power.. ?

  • I'm too young to think of such things. I will let you know when I'm ready. Thanks, anyway. 

    @lodilobo said:

    I'm too young to think of such things. I will let you know when I'm ready. Thanks, anyway. 

    You are never too young. How old do you think you need to be?  I just had to handle the estate of a cousin of mine.  Died in her early 50s.

    Yes, that is too young to die, but you are not too young to plan.....because you never know,   and it helps your family and the cost is not that bad.

    (not really trying to drum up business....I am just trying to give you some good advice)

  • @the-gipper said:

    Have you made your Will yet?   POAs?  DPAHC?  

    You are in Lodi, I am not that far away.    I could set you up!   😉

    In other scenarios, asking someone in the internet if he has made his Will would have an entirely different meaning...

    @nero said:

    In other scenarios, asking someone in the internet if he has made his Will would have an entirely different meaning...

    And I personally have no clue what that meaning would be. Honestly.