Browns defense proving to be a top NFL defense already
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Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense. That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team. "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.
No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and turnovers.
If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.
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Was going to say the same thing.. Where are the points allowed figures also.. You can't judge a defense without Yards allowed or points allowed. That being said our turnover ratio is kick butt..
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Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense. That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team. "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.
No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and turnovers.
If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.
I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense. That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team. "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.
No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and turnovers.
If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.
When your offense is putting you on the field more often than expected, total tackles means at least you're securing the ball carrier.
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I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense. That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team. "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.
No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and turnovers.
If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.
When your offense is putting you on the field more often than expected, total tackles means at least you're securing the ball carrier.
When your offense is putting you on the field more often than expected, total tackles means at least you're securing the ball carrier.
Every single play results in a tackle, unless the other team scores a TD. But those tackles can be made behind the LOS....or 20/40/60 yards downfield. So, again, it tells you nothing about the quality of a defense.
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When your offense is putting you on the field more often than expected, total tackles means at least you're securing the ball carrier.
Every single play results in a tackle, unless the other team scores a TD. But those tackles can be made behind the LOS....or 20/40/60 yards downfield. So, again, it tells you nothing about the quality of a defense.
Every single play results in a tackle, unless the other team scores a TD. But those tackles can be made behind the LOS....or 20/40/60 yards downfield. So, again, it tells you nothing about the quality of a defense.
As a stand alone stat? Correct. Taken in context... it sheds some light.
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Every single play results in a tackle, unless the other team scores a TD. But those tackles can be made behind the LOS....or 20/40/60 yards downfield. So, again, it tells you nothing about the quality of a defense.
As a stand alone stat? Correct. Taken in context... it sheds some light.
As a stand alone stat? Correct. Taken in context... it sheds some light.
A LOT less than the other, more meaningful stats do.
YPA
YPG
PPG
TOs
etc.
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A LOT less than the other, more meaningful stats do.
YPA
YPG
PPG
TOs
etc.
Never argued that.
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Total tackles says to me, "your opponents are running a lot of plays."
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if Buffalo is third in "defense" by the stat you are providing. Well then it is wrong?. With that being said, I think you guys have a great defense. Your offense might hide that though putting it in bad positions and keeping it on the field.
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Total tackles says to me, "your opponents are running a lot of plays."
I think total tackles broken down over a quarter by quarter look would be much better. Shows how much the defense is on the field thus the plays the opposing offense is running vs the first half - I.E. wearing out the defense.
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Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense. That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team. "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.
No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and turnovers.
If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.
I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense. That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team. "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.
No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and turnovers.
If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.
I agree ... but looking at the stats,
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 The Browns have the #2 amount of sacks by one, they have the #1 yards lost for sacking, the second most passes defended, the most ints, (tied with Cncy and Tenn.), the Browns are #1 in Forced Fumbles, #1 in Fumbles Recovered, .... I'd say that puts them about the #2 ranking.
and, NOTE: the two offenses the Browns defense faced... the pukes and the Saints - bigtime offenses in recent years.
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Every single play results in a tackle, unless the other team scores a TD. But those tackles can be made behind the LOS....or 20/40/60 yards downfield. So, again, it tells you nothing about the quality of a defense.
As a stand alone stat? Correct. Taken in context... it sheds some light.
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you can fuk pgh right off that list cause 7 of those 8 sacks were in week one against our O line...which couldn't stop OSU's D line. Real talk.
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Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 Number two - in the NFL - I'll take it. Running on all cylinders
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 Any D that has Arizona at the top couldn't possibly we #1. Got pummeled in both games by a large margin. But I do agree that our D is somewhere near the top overall.
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don't expect those numbers to hold, defense is out there a lot right now. I worry for Myles. Williams already addressed his minutes. This is what sucked about some of those cuts. We need a competent RDE to spell myles. I actually liked what I saw of Chris Smith, number 50...dude held down the left edge quite well and provided some hurries. We need someone to spell Myles on the RDE spot tho. Especially since Williams is dropping myles into coverage, it's going to affect his burst around the edge.
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I don't think "Total Tackles" is by any means a decent measure by which to measure a defense. That, to me, simply means that they have had to make more tackles than anyone else because they are not stopping the other team. "Fewest tackles" I think would actually be better....because that would mean that a defense is making a lot of 3 and out stops and giving the ball back to the offense.
No, look more at a combination of yards allowed, points allowed and turnovers.
If you post THOSE numbers, I think the Browns defense will still be near the top somewhere.
I agree ... but looking at the stats,
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 The Browns have the #2 amount of sacks by one, they have the #1 yards lost for sacking, the second most passes defended, the most ints, (tied with Cncy and Tenn.), the Browns are #1 in Forced Fumbles, #1 in Fumbles Recovered, .... I'd say that puts them about the #2 ranking.
and, NOTE: the two offenses the Browns defense faced... the pukes and the Saints - bigtime offenses in recent years.
I agree ... but looking at the stats,
Total Tackles Leaders
TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD 1 Arizona 119 34 153 5.0 20 4 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 2 Cleveland 96 54 150 7.0 52 12 3 26 26 0 5 5 0 3 Buffalo 109 34 143 4.0 24 6 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 4 Cincinnati 113 29 142 6.0 31 17 3 24 21 0 4 2 1 Kansas City 95 47 142 2.0 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 6 New England 95 45 140 3.0 18 9 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 7 San Francisco 108 31 139 5.0 35 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 8 Tennessee 97 41 138 5.0 29 8 3 34 34 0 1 0 0 Pittsburgh 97 41 138 8.0 51 11 1 0 0 0 4 1 0 10 Indianapolis 98 38 136 5.0 37 7 1 32 32 0 3 2 0 New Orleans 90 46 136 3.0 12 5 1 22 22 0 3 0 0 The Browns have the #2 amount of sacks by one, they have the #1 yards lost for sacking, the second most passes defended, the most ints, (tied with Cncy and Tenn.), the Browns are #1 in Forced Fumbles, #1 in Fumbles Recovered, .... I'd say that puts them about the #2 ranking.
and, NOTE: the two offenses the Browns defense faced... the pukes and the Saints - bigtime offenses in recent years.
Yerp...I put more credence in the sacks/yards lost, passes defended, ints, forced fumble and recoveries. Those I like to see, not just "tackles".
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Total tackles says to me, "your opponents are running a lot of plays."
I think total tackles broken down over a quarter by quarter look would be much better. Shows how much the defense is on the field thus the plays the opposing offense is running vs the first half - I.E. wearing out the defense.
I think total tackles broken down over a quarter by quarter look would be much better. Shows how much the defense is on the field thus the plays the opposing offense is running vs the first half - I.E. wearing out the defense.
That or perhaps tackles per drive. We also played an overtime period so that will lead to more tackles. So its not an accurate measure, PPG and yards are far more important in my opinion.
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