Most Dangerous Neighborhoods in US, Cincinnatti #1

Brownshirt

The cities with the top 25 dangerous neighborhoods in the United States are:

CINCINNATI, Ohio (Central Pky./Liberty St.)

Chicago, Ill. (State St./Garfield Blvd.)

Miami, Fla. (7th Ave./North River Dr.)

Jacksonville, Fla. (Beaver St./Broad St.)

BALTIMORE, Md.(North Ave./Belair Rd.)

Kansas City, Mo. (Bales Ave./30th St.)

Memphis, Tenn. (Warford St./Mount Olive Rd.)

Kansas City, Mo. (Forest Ave./41st St.)

Dallas, Texas (Route 352/Scyene Rd.)

Richmond, Va. (Church Hill)

Memphis, Tenn. (Bellevue Blvd./Lamar Ave.)

Dallas, Texas (2nd Ave./Hatcher St.)

Springfield, Ill. (Cook St./11th St.)

St. Louis, Mo. (14th St./Dr. Martin Luther King Dr.)

Little Rock, Ark. (Roosevelt Rd./Bond St.)

Philadelphia, Pa. (Broad St./Dauphin St.)

Tampa, Fla. (Amelia Ave./Tampa St.)

New York, N.Y. (St. Nicholas Ave./125th St.)

Chicago, Ill. (66th St./Yale Ave.)

BALTIMORE, Md. (Orleans St./Front St.)

CLEVELAND, Ohio (Cedar Ave./55th St.)

Orlando, Fla. (East-West Expy/Orange Blossom Trl.)

Detroit, Mich. (Mount Elliott St./Palmer Ave.)

Chicago, Ill. (Wallace St./58th St.)

Chicago, Ill. (Winchester, Ave./60th St.)

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/most-danger...st-cincinnati-1

ballpeen

I bet with a little research one could find a common denominator.

? mz.

@ballpeen said:
I bet with a little research one could find a common denominator.

They are all predominantly Asian?

Brownshirt

mz. said:
They are all predominantly Asian?

Nah, democrats!

mario

You can't mention the common denominator or you will be a RACIST. God forbid we try to SOLVE the problem in our dangerous cities.

ballpeen

@mario said:
You can't mention the common denominator or you will be a RACIST. God forbid we try to SOLVE the problem in our dangerous cities.

No you won't, though you might be called one.

I haven't researched at all.....but from the towns on the list i do know, those are the African neighborhoods.

listercat

Cincitucky is a dump

Vegasdogg

@ballpeen said:
those are the African neighborhoods.

So many dynamics go into that, IMO. Education, Single Parent Homes, Economics, Crime, Housing, Availability of Gangs, Drugs, Employment Opportunities, ect...

Many people talk about getting out of those neighborhoods. They talk about a better life away from the 'neighborhood.'

It's easy to sit here in Las Vegas in my home and discuss what people should and shouldn't do, but the fact that I was brought up in Willoughby Ohio my enitre life doesn't really afford me the perspective that inner city kids would have.

Not making excuses, but when a place is a dump, it usually stays a dump until new, vibrant economies replace the existing dynamics.

Just a fact of life. Not a "black thing," but a green (money) thing.

ballpeen

I don't disagree with that you are saying.

But i still boil it down to one thing...is a lack of money, education or nice surrounding a reason to make a place dangerous?

I say no.

playerjdd

I hate to comment on this subject but it is a whole lot of factors. Its role models that are teaching little brother the worng way. Its single parents working while their kid does whatever they want cause mom or dad cant be home. Its the slump of schools that are in the inner city and the education level. I can speak from experience. I moved from a small town in New Mexico to Cleveland in the 10th grade. You would think i would have less education coming from New Mexico but it was complete opposite. I was way too ahead for Cleveland. I was considered a smart kid because i had did the same work three years previous.

daddybull1

I don't know if it is the "reason" but a common denominator in all of these neighborhoods is the relience upon government for the basic necessities of life....

When looking at New Orleans when Katrina hit and the disaster that followed, most of those that were trapped in the city were 3rd and 4th generation welfare recepiants.... The government pays their rent, medical expenses, gives them food and everything else needed for survival... But when the storm hit and after the people were warned, most of these people were trapped waiting for big government to tell them what to do and then do it for them...

Many reasons are involved in creating these less than desirable environments but the dependance upon the government causes many to get on that public assistance treadmill and once on it, most find it extremely difficult to get off....

Turning this great land of ours into a socialist country will only make it worse not better.....

peace

T.Dawg

? mz.

@ballpeen said:
I don't disagree with that you are saying.
But i still boil it down to one thing...is a lack of money, education or nice surrounding a reason to make a place dangerous?

I say no.

I agree.

Like you say, it's the "Africans" that make those neighborhoods shitty.

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sisky fringo

how Camden, New Jersey didn't even make the list makes me wonder about it's validity. it blows Philly away and it's just across the river. there are others as well, like Patterson and we haven't even left NJ yet. i've been to many many places on that list and there has to be more to the poll.

what are the qualifications? a lot of them have pro football and are a major city. is it population based? something is amiss. Cincy sucks and i actually have been robbed there but it's nothing like some other places in NY, NY, or D.C.

Vegasdogg

No Mention of Gary, IN?

I thought that would have made the list for sure. Something about the largest gang population in the nation.

sisky fringo

i attribute heavy populace to it more than being heavily pigmented. that old saying: when dad's away, the kids will play also applies to a population tipping the scales on police forces. once police (and neighbors) become complacent and/or corrupt crime takes hold much easier.

IMO it's not better in small communities because the people are better per se, it's because the situation is much easier to manage. people who want out should just grab their cajones and get out...it almost never ends well when they don't.

sisky fringo

@vegasdogg said:
No Mention of Gary, IN?
I thought that would have made the list for sure. Something about the largest gang population in the nation.

i concur Gary is seedy. Indy has it's share of trouble too.

sisky fringo

@shepwrite said:
Supply side economics have consistently made the rich richer and the poor poorer, and I posted a very thorough Harvard study on it on the political board about a year ago. So saying "socialist" economics would be the poison is sort of backwards.
Trickle down doesn't. Never has.

it could with welfare reform.

natural selection will (and should) determine who will rise to the top. allowing the weak and less intelligent to flourish through charity is backward, and that in essense is my problem with socialism. strong and intelligent people have an opportunity to thrive in the new environments they relocate to. the ones that feel they couldn't survive as well doing this (relocating to better surroundings) fester and generally get involved criminally to make ends. welfare reform is key to forcing these types to earn legitimitally. it's too easy to do nothing and those that are satisfied with having nothing with assistence have more than most who are struggling without any help. where's the motivation there? who really wants to struggle when you have the option to sit on your ass and do somewhat ok doing nothing? once people are forced to earn they will pay into a system, a system that will also benefit from having less burden on it after welfare reform. it looks good on paper at least.

ballpeen

Social programs are meant to give people the opportunity to break the cycle of poverty and prevent a Feudal society where rich families and groups get richer and richer from their existing advantage while the poor get poorer and poorer from their existing disadvantages.

I agree that is the plan.....not sure it is working as well in practice as it does in books.

I do agree this generation of Africans has more people on the ball and seeming to want to meld in to society rather than segregate in to their own....but the percentages are still far too small.

I don't think it is a case anymore of them not being able to do so.

Being proud of your culture is normal and expected, and I really do welcome it no matter the group.

It just seems to be a counterculture has been established, and that is going to be a problem for all.

Good discussion and I thanked some comments I considered well thought out and constructive even if I don't totally agree.

sisky fringo

i know we should probably take this over to the other board but i'm scared of that place...scared of it absorbing all my time!

if we keep it just in here, maybe it'll be ok. ?

it's not about laziness, shep, it's about inferiority. you simply can't level the playing field enough to make everything fair without compromising other's liberty. using the racecar analogy, even in the same cars some are just going to be better drivers. show me a system that rewards success, without propping up mediocrity just to keep things even, and i might just buy in.

life isn't fair.

being born with financial advantage can be unfair, yes, but it only limits you so much. this is America, after all. you don't have to be A#1 to be doing ok. genetic advantage is much more unfair, but that's the breaks. to me, to even that one out is as truly unAmerican as it gets. a racecar might be better than some other's in the race but if you're a good driver you'll place far from last, and that is a pretty good place to be. IMO socialism weakens the species.

Brownshirt

@sisky-fringo said:
how Camden, New Jersey didn't even make the list makes me wonder about it's validity. it blows Philly away and it's just across the river. there are others as well, like Patterson and we haven't even left NJ yet. i've been to many many places on that list and there has to be more to the poll.
what are the qualifications? a lot of them have pro football and are a major city. is it population based? something is amiss. Cincy sucks and i actually have been robbed there but it's nothing like some other places in NY, NY, or D.C.

Hey Sisky, here's partial criteria for the rankings, for the rest follow the yellow brick link:

The methodology and data used to determine the list of the 25 most dangerous neighborhoods in America is simple and utilizes information from many reliable third party sources. Using FBI data from 17,000 different agencies Dr. Schiller and his team looked at key indicators as identified within the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Incidents and rates per 1,000 people in a neighborhood population for specific violent crimes were then calculated.

The violent crimes considered by Dr. Schiller as key indicators of a "dangerous neighborhood" are:

murder

non-negligent manslaughter

forcible rape

armed robbery

aggravated assault

Other crimes like date rape, domestic assault and child abuse (not classified as aggravated), and petty theft were excluded from the data. Property crimes, however, were incorporated in to the rating given to the various neighborhoods identified in the study.

Researchers looking to identify the most dangerous neighborhood in America compiled ratings for each of these factors. An overall rating was assigned to neighborhoods based on a combination of violent crime data and property crime figures. A prediction was then made of the likelihood, per 1000 people in the neighborhood, that a resident would fall victim to one of the identified crimes.

The data was collected over a period of three years and deviations were added. Confounding variables such as socio-economic conditions, proximity to social service centers, policing resources per area, and age/condition of the neighborhood were not factored into the results.