Am I the only one who...
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I don’t know about Tyrod “laying down”, but his play thus far has not been the kind of play you would think you’d see from a franchise QB who knows he’s a franchise QB and therefore is aware that he needs to be available for at least 16 games. I’m not sure wreckless is the right word, but maybe excessively balls out.
I do like Tyrod. He had a shot at making this his team but it was long odds with getting chemistry down with new players and the playbook and execution and what not. Still, definitely give him credit for getting things started off on a good note with organizing pre-OTA workouts and doing and saying the right things.
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1) ... had the impression that TT "laid down"?
His helmet hit to the ground did not seem that concussive. May have built on the earlier (uncalled) forearm he took as he was in mid-slide, but it just did not seem that severe.
I wondered at the time if he heard the proverbial "footsteps". For damn sure he heard the crowd.
2) ... remembers that we were very fortunate to recover two of our own fumbles: Higgins recovery of Duke's sideline one and Bito of Baker's strip sacking late in the 1st-half?
Either could have changed the game outcome into just another loss. Both going the Jets' way would have changed the outcome.
So let's not get too Socky...
... but it was fun seeing Bito rumble even if it was placed at the spot of the recovery. His energy was an early example of how Baker ignited this team.
More later...
1) ... had the impression that TT "laid down"?
His helmet hit to the ground did not seem that concussive. May have built on the earlier (uncalled) forearm he took as he was in mid-slide, but it just did not seem that severe.
I wondered at the time if he heard the proverbial "footsteps". For damn sure he heard the crowd.
well if that's the case one might have to assume that the NFL and Big Time wrestling were one and the same. I heard someone else mention they thought the coaching staff told him to play dead. It certainly would suck if it was all pre-determined.
2) ... remembers that we were very fortunate to recover two of our own fumbles: Higgins recovery of Duke's sideline one and Bito of Baker's strip sacking late in the 1st-half?
Either could have changed the game outcome into just another loss. Both going the Jets' way would have changed the outcome.
So let's not get too Socky...
any winning effort in football requires a little bit of luck. Just as in a losing effort like the last two weeks.
... but it was fun seeing Bito rumble even if it was placed at the spot of the recovery. His energy was an early example of how Baker ignited this team.
that's true.
More later...
WSS
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I admit that crossed my mind too, but only for a millisecond..... just not something I'm willing to believe about Tyrod - as like with Hue, I really think he's a good dude in general life and don't want to believe he would quit.
Have you ever milked an "illness" to avoid going into work?
I know I have... and I did not quit... I retired...
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Everytime he hit the ground I was literally screaming "Stay down idiot!"
I don't want to see any Cleveland Brown hurt but I knew the offense was better than Tyrod Taylor is capable of.
If he took a dive he was doing the right thing for the team.
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I admit that crossed my mind too, but only for a millisecond..... just not something I'm willing to believe about Tyrod - as like with Hue, I really think he's a good dude in general life and don't want to believe he would quit.
Have you ever milked an "illness" to avoid going into work?
I know I have... and I did not quit... I retired...
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Last night brought back memories to a Sunday night game years ago, when Tim Couch went down with a concussion and our fans cheered when he left and Kelly Holcomb entered the game. For some reason the Browns allowed Couch to be interviewed after the game, which resulted in him getting emotional about the situation.
For all intents and purposes, Couch's days of being the starting QB for the Browns were numbered after that night. Just like Taylor's.
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Honestly its pretty sad to see some question something when they dont understand how it could occur.
The impact of a hit is not how you get a concussion. In fact, A LOT of these big hits you see do not conclude in one.
Dont like a player, sure everyone has those. But dont try to impugn his character and call him a quitter because it didnt "look" bad and you dont know how they occur
Honestly its pretty sad to see some question something when they dont understand how it could occur.
The impact of a hit is not how you get a concussion. In fact, A LOT of these big hits you see do not conclude in one.
Dont like a player, sure everyone has those. But dont try to impugn his character and call him a quitter because it didnt "look" bad and you dont know how they occur
Well... please educate me then.
But it's going to take more than the above, gumby-esque post
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Honestly its pretty sad to see some question something when they dont understand how it could occur.
The impact of a hit is not how you get a concussion. In fact, A LOT of these big hits you see do not conclude in one.
Dont like a player, sure everyone has those. But dont try to impugn his character and call him a quitter because it didnt "look" bad and you dont know how they occur
Well... please educate me then.
But it's going to take more than the above, gumby-esque post
Well... please educate me then.
But it's going to take more than the above, gumby-esque post
Hay! i did nuthing! OL inside zone blocking scheme. did ya ?? Loved the patience of our backs now seeing it. Who have ya seen upfront making a difference since week 1?
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First words out of my mouth “he’s not hurt, he’s embarrassed”
More like Peter McNeely who went down for the count when Mike Tyson threw a punch and missed
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First words out of my mouth “he’s not hurt, he’s embarrassed”
More like Peter McNeely who went down for the count when Mike Tyson threw a punch and missed
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Sonny Liston and the phantom punch.
I thought that and started to respond until I saw yours. Exactly.
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Honestly its pretty sad to see some question something when they dont understand how it could occur.
The impact of a hit is not how you get a concussion. In fact, A LOT of these big hits you see do not conclude in one.
Dont like a player, sure everyone has those. But dont try to impugn his character and call him a quitter because it didnt "look" bad and you dont know how they occur
Well... please educate me then.
But it's going to take more than the above, gumby-esque post
Well... please educate me then.
But it's going to take more than the above, gumby-esque post
What do you want this education on? I cant give you specific examples of a big hit that didnt result in a concussion. How about the year Clowney had that hit? That player didn't get a concussion.
It just depends on the person. It isnt about the hardness of contact, it is about how it effects the brain. You can get a concussion falling out of bed, I could get a concussion biting down too hard ( compression and shock), they make mouthguards now that are specifically designed to side in helping with concussions. It can be something as simple as a helmet being too tight or too loose. There are also more concussions annually in soccer than football.
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It would be Tyrod's 3rd concussion since aug.2017. https://www.sportinjurypredictor.com/player/tyrod-taylor/4785 <(won't open???) interested to hear Hue say Monday.."well Ty is still in CPC" or he amazingly recovered..
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Hay! i did nuthing! OL inside zone blocking scheme. did ya ?? Loved the patience of our backs now seeing it. Who have ya seen upfront making a difference since week 1?
lol... mine was a style comparison to the incomparable...
Agree... we have ZBS backs now. Jets have one as well and his name is Powell.
It would be Tyrod's 3rd concussion since aug.2017. https://www.sportinjurypredictor.com/player/tyrod-taylor/4785 <(won't open???) interested to hear Hue say Monday.."well Ty is still in CPC" or he amazingly recovered..
What do you want this education on? I cant give you specific examples of a big hit that didnt result in a concussion. How about the year Clowney had that hit? That player didn't get a concussion.
It just depends on the person. It isnt about the hardness of contact, it is about how it effects the brain. You can get a concussion falling out of bed, I could get a concussion biting down too hard ( compression and shock), they make mouthguards now that are specifically designed to side in helping with concussions. It can be something as simple as a helmet being too tight or too loose. There are also more concussions annually in soccer than football.
Forgot history... which is really the degree to which brain chemistry changes, which linger many times longer than brain swelling, has returned to normal. Some studies have concluded that in some individuals a change is never fully undone.
While it is true that almost any head trauma can impact the brain, but it was the classic, deceleration-(or acceleration)-induced, brain-meet-skull "Concussion" of which I was speaking. I simply did not see an impact on TT's last play that I thought could produce that.
Take care chewing...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Hay! i did nuthing! OL inside zone blocking scheme. did ya ?? Loved the patience of our backs now seeing it. Who have ya seen upfront making a difference since week 1?
lol... mine was a style comparison to the incomparable...
Agree... we have ZBS backs now. Jets have one as well and his name is Powell.
It would be Tyrod's 3rd concussion since aug.2017. https://www.sportinjurypredictor.com/player/tyrod-taylor/4785 <(won't open???) interested to hear Hue say Monday.."well Ty is still in CPC" or he amazingly recovered..
What do you want this education on? I cant give you specific examples of a big hit that didnt result in a concussion. How about the year Clowney had that hit? That player didn't get a concussion.
It just depends on the person. It isnt about the hardness of contact, it is about how it effects the brain. You can get a concussion falling out of bed, I could get a concussion biting down too hard ( compression and shock), they make mouthguards now that are specifically designed to side in helping with concussions. It can be something as simple as a helmet being too tight or too loose. There are also more concussions annually in soccer than football.
Forgot history... which is really the degree to which brain chemistry changes, which linger many times longer than brain swelling, has returned to normal. Some studies have concluded that in some individuals a change is never fully undone.
While it is true that almost any head trauma can impact the brain, but it was the classic, deceleration-(or acceleration)-induced, brain-meet-skull "Concussion" of which I was speaking. I simply did not see an impact on TT's last play that I thought could produce that.
Take care chewing...
I simply did not see an impact on TT's last play that I thought could produce that.
Take care chewing...
lot to chew here.
(may need to click utube?) certainly looks that Ty had both arms to protect himself better.does bang side of head on turf. now his 3rd in just over a year. more on baker juicing the building?let this video roll out
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What better drama could you ever ask for as a Browns fan than to see the rookie come in down 0-14 and complete his first pass for a 1st down to the team LEADER Jarvis Landry?
It does not get any better than that Browns Fans!! ?
Go to the 1:32 mark.
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Possibly. But tyrod clearly knew he was done. Probably knew it early in camp after seeing what he was up against.
The entire vibe changed when Mayfield went in. He zipped completions all over the field, got a few lucky breaks, and the team just responded to him.
The immediate future is bright. Especially with Carr looking scared to be on the field and that's not getting any easier with the Browns D coming.
Baker now gets all the reps with the ones. Callaway will be balling soon.
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Possibly. But tyrod clearly knew he was done. Probably knew it early in camp after seeing what he was up against.
The entire vibe changed when Mayfield went in. He zipped completions all over the field, got a few lucky breaks, and the team just responded to him.
The immediate future is bright. Especially with Carr looking scared to be on the field and that's not getting any easier with the Browns D coming.
Baker now gets all the reps with the ones. Callaway will be balling soon.
Possibly. But tyrod clearly knew he was done. Probably knew it early in camp after seeing what he was up against.
The entire vibe changed when Mayfield went in. He zipped completions all over the field, got a few lucky breaks, and the team just responded to him.
The immediate future is bright. Especially with Carr looking scared to be on the field and that's not getting any easier with the Browns D coming.
Baker now gets all the reps with the ones. Callaway will be balling soon.
What seems to be the issue with Carr? He seems to have hit the proverbial wall at 100mph. A year ago at this time he was touted as a future top QB of the league.
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I will give it to Captain Tyrod..He took some shots!! Paying for his own issue for holding the ball & being unsure to throw..OL gave up 4 sacks & 12 QB hits. 1 sack, 2 QB hits (1 fumble) on Baker cause he only held the ball most the night under 2.6 seconds at 88%..Ty paid on the rest, holding the ball up to 37% more than 2.6 seconds. His first hit looked to be straight on his chin strap at 8:40 in 1st. Than carried it the very next play
. At 13:42 of the 2nd, takes another whack on a sack. At 6:19 of 2nd was the forearm to his head. Soon after came the self KO. simple with this OL,The ball has to come out of your hands..
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I will give it to Captain Tyrod..He took some shots!! Paying for his own issue for holding the ball & being unsure to throw..OL gave up 4 sacks & 12 QB hits. 1 sack, 2 QB hits (1 fumble) on Baker cause he only held the ball most the night under 2.6 seconds at 88%..Ty paid on the rest, holding the ball up to 37% more than 2.6 seconds. His first hit looked to be straight on his chin strap at 8:40 in 1st. Than carried it the very next play
. At 13:42 of the 2nd, takes another whack on a sack. At 6:19 of 2nd was the forearm to his head. Soon after came the self KO. simple with this OL,The ball has to come out of your hands..
I will give it to Captain Tyrod..He took some shots!! Paying for his own issue for holding the ball & being unsure to throw..OL gave up 4 sacks & 12 QB hits. 1 sack, 2 QB hits (1 fumble) on Baker cause he only held the ball most the night under 2.6 seconds at 88%..Ty paid on the rest, holding the ball up to 37% more than 2.6 seconds. His first hit looked to be straight on his chin strap at 8:40 in 1st. Than carried it the very next play
. At 13:42 of the 2nd, takes another whack on a sack. At 6:19 of 2nd was the forearm to his head. Soon after came the self KO. simple with this OL,The ball has to come out of your hands..
I don't really see a guy that processes everything in front of him quickly enough for any long term success. In fairness, his worst completion % counting his starts in Buffalo were in the first game Roethlisberger turned the ball over 5 times so I'll give both guys that mulligan.
As hard as Tyrod works and prepares based on what we've heard, I don't know that it ever makes a speed reader out of someone that has never been one. By the time he's seeing someone that was open - they are covered or he's now trying to elude a sack. The good news is our new LT now has 3 starts under his belt and a lot less false starts than he had in week 1 the last 2 weeks. Tyrod's job was to preheat the QB position for the Baker. He did that and I think he was a pretty solid role model to learn from.
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