John Dorsey
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Does it matter? Pull the Safetys' across, opens up underneath and mid routes. Keeps the safetys heads on a swivel and honest.
Yes, it matters especially if you have a WR beating someone deep and the ball is slightly under thrown. That's what allowed the DB to recover just enough to swat it away. If Taylor hit Callaway in stride with a strong throw while he was pulling away - that's a TD.
Taylor wasn't processing what was in front of him quickly enough to manipulate the safety the way Mayfield could. When a QB can't process at the speed of the game - the defense is going to dictate. Baker can process quickly so he looked way more accurate and way more confident while he had the Jets back on their heels. What made Baker's performance stand out most to me was the reality that despite no recent practice reps with the starting offense - he had some really good chemistry working out there with some of his targets. Aikman pointed out that his 17 of 23 passing also included some dropped passes and intentional throw aways outside of the pocket.
Yes, it matters especially if you have a WR beating someone deep and the ball is slightly under thrown. That's what allowed the DB to recover just enough to swat it away. If Taylor hit Callaway in stride with a strong throw while he was pulling away - that's a TD.
Taylor wasn't processing what was in front of him quickly enough to manipulate the safety the way Mayfield could. When a QB can't process at the speed of the game - the defense is going to dictate. Baker can process quickly so he looked way more accurate and way more confident while he had the Jets back on their heels. What made Baker's performance stand out most to me was the reality that despite no recent practice reps with the starting offense - he had some really good chemistry working out there with some of his targets. Aikman pointed out that his 17 of 23 passing also included some dropped passes and intentional throw aways outside of the pocket.
I thought he was talking about Mayfield..my bad.
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Yes, it matters especially if you have a WR beating someone deep and the ball is slightly under thrown. That's what allowed the DB to recover just enough to swat it away. If Taylor hit Callaway in stride with a strong throw while he was pulling away - that's a TD.
Taylor wasn't processing what was in front of him quickly enough to manipulate the safety the way Mayfield could. When a QB can't process at the speed of the game - the defense is going to dictate. Baker can process quickly so he looked way more accurate and way more confident while he had the Jets back on their heels. What made Baker's performance stand out most to me was the reality that despite no recent practice reps with the starting offense - he had some really good chemistry working out there with some of his targets. Aikman pointed out that his 17 of 23 passing also included some dropped passes and intentional throw aways outside of the pocket.
I thought he was talking about Mayfield..my bad.
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Is that really what LB did?
Yes. - Flugel
I think there are folks around here more hung up on Sashi than LB or I...
Let me know when you have finally convinced yourself of that because you'll sell it way better than you are here. You named yourself in that category above so something is compelling your overprotective mode here. Do you want me to also pretend we were 31-1 instead of 1-31 the last 2 years while we're at it here?
Again, the timing of asssbleed over Sashi's departure following our first win since Christmas Eve of 2016 seems a little strange to me. - Flugel
Is that really what LB did?
Yes. - Flugel
Then show me LB's post where he mentions Sashi...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Then show me LB's post where he mentions Sashi...
Did Lancelot ever have to explain who he was putting his armor on to defend? If you read the subject heading and the first post of the thread from one of Sashi's biggest fans - it wasn't as tough to figure out as you want to pretend here. This isn't one of your better arguments at all.
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I cant mention anything without you mentioning Sashi.....
I stand by what I said a 1-31 team cant afford to give up picks 33, 35 and 65 for non starters.
It will all depend on Baker anyway of course
I think we all know why, LB.
Every thing you post on here is some attempt to vindicate your backing of Sashi.
John Dorsey is better at this than Sashi is. He just is. Doesn't make him perfect, but move on buddy.
I think we all know why, LB.
Every thing you post on here is some attempt to vindicate your backing of Sashi.
John Dorsey is better at this than Sashi is. He just is. Doesn't make him perfect, but move on buddy.
Moving on from Sashi is a great idea especially on a night Cleveland won it's first football game since Christmas Eve of 2016.
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Win or lose tonight, Dorsey is bad.
This quote was from Sashi's biggest supporter, and really doesn't make any sense. It's just blind hate.
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Best hire Haslam has made since 99. Stranger, it was made while another GM was still in office. Nice Dorsey had 4 games in the locker-room to look the talent dead in the eyes. Than said "hold my beer".. Hue is Haslam last tool in the toolbox.Not Dorseys. that needs to change Mr. Haslam
Best hire Haslam has made since 99. Stranger, it was made while another GM was still in office. Nice Dorsey had 4 games in the locker-room to look the talent dead in the eyes. Than said "hold my beer".. Hue is Haslam last tool in the toolbox.Not Dorseys. that needs to change Mr. Haslam
Remember when he said "We need to get real players" which made some of us cry....... Loving these new "Real Players" myself.
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Then show me LB's post where he mentions Sashi...
Did Lancelot ever have to explain who he was putting his armor on to defend? If you read the subject heading and the first post of the thread from one of Sashi's biggest fans - it wasn't as tough to figure out as you want to pretend here. This isn't one of your better arguments at all.
Did Lancelot ever have to explain who he was putting his armor on to defend? If you read the subject heading and the first post of the thread from one of Sashi's biggest fans - it wasn't as tough to figure out as you want to pretend here. This isn't one of your better arguments at all.
I'm not the one arguing... and you got nothing except Dutch's attempted read into the mind of the OP. However, since mind-reading is apparently evidence I want to play, too...
Until you read Dutch's comment, the first to mention Sashi, that name never occurred to you.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Did Lancelot ever have to explain who he was putting his armor on to defend? If you read the subject heading and the first post of the thread from one of Sashi's biggest fans - it wasn't as tough to figure out as you want to pretend here. This isn't one of your better arguments at all.
I'm not the one arguing... and you got nothing except Dutch's attempted read into the mind of the OP. However, since mind-reading is apparently evidence I want to play, too...
Until you read Dutch's comment, the first to mention Sashi, that name never occurred to you.
I'm not the one arguing... and you got nothing except Dutch's attempted read into the mind of the OP. However, since mind-reading is apparently evidence I want to play, too...
Until you read Dutch's comment, the first to mention Sashi, that name never occurred to you.
Tour, LondonBrown almost quit this board because he was called out for blatantly hating everything Dorsey and Hue do because he is still upset about the firing of Sashi.
This isn't ground-breaking news, and I'm not the only person in this thread who recognizes it.
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Did Lancelot ever have to explain who he was putting his armor on to defend? If you read the subject heading and the first post of the thread from one of Sashi's biggest fans - it wasn't as tough to figure out as you want to pretend here. This isn't one of your better arguments at all.
I'm not the one arguing... and you got nothing except Dutch's attempted read into the mind of the OP. However, since mind-reading is apparently evidence I want to play, too...
Until you read Dutch's comment, the first to mention Sashi, that name never occurred to you.
I'm not the one arguing... and you got nothing except Dutch's attempted read into the mind of the OP. However, since mind-reading is apparently evidence I want to play, too...
Until you read Dutch's comment, the first to mention Sashi, that name never occurred to you.
You're not arguing now? ? Okay, you're just imitating a nervous Yorkshire Terrier trying to find an ankle to bite. Got it...
You wouldn't need to mind read if you just read what's in front of you. It's not that complicated. My first reply in this thread was to the very first post like the cut and paste clearly illustrates. This is just another example of see subject heading - read original post - reply. Very nice try with pretending Dutch posted first though... And if anyone needs your lessons that Dorsey and Sashi weren't doing the same things - the guy you might want to set straight is LB not those (plural) replying to his ill-timed pout.
Regulars in here know guys like Taco and LB are always whining about Dorsey's decisions. And in LB's case - has he really kept his frustration about Sashi getting fired a secret? This was the first time I ever responded to him about it; because his timing to unload asss hurt took place in our first win since Christmas Eve of 2016. If you noticed, 2 of the decisions (Landry and Hyde) he fussed about made significant contributions to the win. The other guy he went after made the team while Brock Ostrich got paid 16 million $ for his inability to make the team. If we compare the QB room this year to the one last year - which one wins? We were 0-16 last year so like I replied to the OP - GREAT TIMING!
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
What cowpoop. I almost quit because someone accused me of being an alcoholic because they didn’t agree with something I said. It was petty.
To be clear I can NEVER mention a move our current GM makes because it means I’m hung up on Sashi. Let me know what subjects I am allowed to comment on going forward.
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I like some things Sashi did. I understood why he was doing it.
That has nothing to do with our picks at 33 and 35 not seeing the field for god sake.
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What cowpoop. I almost quit because someone accused me of being an alcoholic because they didn’t agree with something I said. It was petty.
To be clear I can NEVER mention a move our current GM makes because it means I’m hung up on Sashi. Let me know what subjects I am allowed to comment on going forward.
What cowpoop. I almost quit because someone accused me of being an alcoholic because they didn’t agree with something I said. It was petty.
To be clear I can NEVER mention a move our current GM makes because it means I’m hung up on Sashi. Let me know what subjects I am allowed to comment on going forward.
Playing the victim to muddy the waters of the argument... Awesome.
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What cowpoop. I almost quit because someone accused me of being an alcoholic because they didn’t agree with something I said. It was petty.
To be clear I can NEVER mention a move our current GM makes because it means I’m hung up on Sashi. Let me know what subjects I am allowed to comment on going forward.
Playing the victim to muddy the waters of the argument... Awesome.
Playing the victim to muddy the waters of the argument... Awesome.
Judging someone’s current opinion because of past comments. Awesome.
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I like some things Sashi did. I understood why he was doing it.
That has nothing to do with our picks at 33 and 35 not seeing the field for god sake.
I like some things Sashi did. I understood why he was doing it.
That has nothing to do with our picks at 33 and 35 not seeing the field for god sake.
Well, Chubb has actually seen the field every game so far and has 7 carries for 41 yards, 5.9 per carry.
Hyde was brought in to be the bellcow. Duke was extended to be the third down back.
Chubb's role right now is to be the backup ball carrier, and he'll see the field more when he gets better in protection.
I don't think he was doing a lot of blocking at Georgia, if that work on the blocked punt was any indication.
He looks like he's going to be a good back, runs hard, I have no problem with this pick.
Corbett pick ... OK. He seemed to be picked a tad high, didn't project to our biggest need at the time (LT) and hasn't beaten anybody out yet. Panic button? No because we have three strong starters inside and Corbett will be ready to replace whoever's contract they want to get rid of first, or whoever gets injured. I'm not going to lose sleep because he didn't crack the lineup the first year.
You can balance second rounder on the bench with udfa looking like he may hold down LT for some time.
So Pick#1 Mayfield: Has the feel of a franchise QB. Boom.
#4 Ward: Home Run.
#33 Corbett. Backup interior lineman at this point.
#35 Chubb Promising RB needs to hone blocking skills
#67 Chad Thomas Has seen action last two games, feels like a project
#105 Antonio Callaway: Starting, looks like speed burner we need
#150 Genard Avery: Better than could be expected, contributing right away,
So of the Top 7 picks, it looks like he knocked four out of the park, with 3 "we'll sees".
That would be the most promising Cleveland Browns draft of my lifetime.
Zombo
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What cowpoop. I almost quit because someone accused me of being an alcoholic because they didn’t agree with something I said. It was petty.
To be clear I can NEVER mention a move our current GM makes because it means I’m hung up on Sashi. Let me know what subjects I am allowed to comment on going forward.
What cowpoop. I almost quit because someone accused me of being an alcoholic because they didn’t agree with something I said. It was petty.
To be clear I can NEVER mention a move our current GM makes because it means I’m hung up on Sashi. Let me know what subjects I am allowed to comment on going forward.
First, I agree with your first point. That is petty and bush league.
Second, I've read several of your rants all year and never once replied because like I posted a long time ago I always enjoyed the Dawg Pound from England (you and Chris in particular). I posted I always saw you as a passionate fan in here on page 2 of this thread. That said, I've seen how you have oriented your position based on all that bottled up frustration whether you are aware of it or not. My take, and I welcome you're reaction if wrong, is it comes from "Oh yeah, if you're gonna fire the guy that set up Dorsey with all these draft picks and healthy cap - you better show me something better than Taylor, Landry and Hyde." How about winning our first PHUCKING GAME since Christmas Eve of 2016 as well as only having only 1 loss 3 weeks into a season for once? The competitive value of this team all of a sudden has changed to we should have won all 3 games vrs saying we had chances to win 3 of our 16 games. Even better, we've had 2 second half rallies that kept us from losing. That's epic progress...
2 of the guys you called out made great contributions to the win. And Taylor gave us and our inexperienced QB way more in return than Brock Ostrich did last year. A BIG reason Sashi is no longer here is this was the QB room in 2017 under his leadership: Kizer, Hogan, and Kessler with Brock earning the 16 million $ in spite of not making the roster. You can blame that on Hue all you want but the 1 thing he repeated throughout the offseason leading up to 2017 is - I prefer to start a veteran QB and guys like Keenum and Foles that signed with teams to be backups might have liked the kind of money we flushed down the toilet on Brock.
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A couple of comments here. First I understood what Sashi was doing in terms of setting up long term multiple picks. And I understood that the Browns had a really shitty of "group pick" system that really left no particular person responsible. The only damn good thing that came out of that group pick system was finding the key player to build a defense around and we all know that any team that fails to create a gameplan totally focused on stopping him first is gonna get fried. When it comes to Dorsey, I'm glad we have someone in the FO who is unafraid to say the buck stops here. If the trades, picks, FA additions or releases go bad, he's the guy that says, "It's on me!" Sashi was foolish not to have insisted on taking that stance and he paid the price.
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A couple of comments here. First I understood what Sashi was doing in terms of setting up long term multiple picks. And I understood that the Browns had a really shitty of "group pick" system that really left no particular person responsible. The only damn good thing that came out of that group pick system was finding the key player to build a defense around and we all know that any team that fails to create a gameplan totally focused on stopping him first is gonna get fried. When it comes to Dorsey, I'm glad we have someone in the FO who is unafraid to say the buck stops here. If the trades, picks, FA additions or releases go bad, he's the guy that says, "It's on me!" Sashi was foolish not to have insisted on taking that stance and he paid the price.
A couple of comments here. First I understood what Sashi was doing in terms of setting up long term multiple picks. And I understood that the Browns had a really shitty of "group pick" system that really left no particular person responsible. The only damn good thing that came out of that group pick system was finding the key player to build a defense around and we all know that any team that fails to create a gameplan totally focused on stopping him first is gonna get fried. When it comes to Dorsey, I'm glad we have someone in the FO who is unafraid to say the buck stops here. If the trades, picks, FA additions or releases go bad, he's the guy that says, "It's on me!" Sashi was foolish not to have insisted on taking that stance and he paid the price.
I think everybody in here appreciated Sashi's ability to make trades and add draft volume. Having said that, QB is the position that makes or breaks you in the FO. Bill Polian has been in a FO on teams that had Jim Kelly, Peyton Manning and Kerry Collins (NFC Championship Game in his 2nd year) which led to countless playoffs, Conference Championship Games and Superbowls. When he saw what Sashi did with Brock O just to get a 2nd round draft pick with ZERO care if he made the team or not at a guaranteed salary of 16 million $ for 1 year - he said it was bush league. He was correct. While Sashi did that, teams like Minnesota and Philly signed Keenum and Foles for backup salaries (prolly not as much as Brock got here). We got a 2nd round pick for it which ultimately turned into chasing our 2017 2nd round pick right out of town. That said, GB might have given us a Walmart Cola and bag of stale chips. Point is, the 2nd year of Sashi's plan gave us a QB room of Kizer, Hogan and Kessler. It's way easier to just blame Hue than dare give Sashi any credit for such a QB room.
And then there's the trade down away from Carson Wentz the year before. That might have been a little better if we took a WR like Michael Thomas who can actually run great routes, catch the freakin ball and score TDs.
People can cry all they want to about Taylor but he's only got a 1 year contract because we drafted a QB #1 overall. More specifically, he is here for the same reason Gary Danielson was when he started 5 games at the back end of his career. That was to teach the rookie how to prepare (ie; 1st one in the bldg last one to leave it), etc. It's okay to make sure our LT situation is settled a little more than week 1 or week 2 before throwing a 1st overall pick investment out there. I was thinking of a timetable of about the Danielson-Kosar one in 85 where Baker could start week 6 or perhaps 1-2 weeks later. As Thursday showed me, he might have exceeded my expectations in terms of ready to rock. I saw that Jets defense turn Matthew Stafford into that little kid on the yellow raft in the movie Jaws in week 1 so that was an impressive feat. That said, the Jets prepared an entire week for Stafford like they prepared for Taylor so the results were the same for each QB they prepared for. They didn't prepare for Baker so we witnessed another episode if you fail to prepare then you should prepare to fail. Our next opponent will prepare for Baker all week and exploit where they think we're vulnerable up front. That said, Baker can work with the 1st team all week in preparation for them. I'm ecstatic the Raiders don't have Khalil Mack any more....
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I like some things Sashi did. I understood why he was doing it.
That has nothing to do with our picks at 33 and 35 not seeing the field for god sake.
Well, Chubb has actually seen the field every game so far and has 7 carries for 41 yards, 5.9 per carry.
Hyde was brought in to be the bellcow. Duke was extended to be the third down back.
Chubb's role right now is to be the backup ball carrier, and he'll see the field more when he gets better in protection.
I don't think he was doing a lot of blocking at Georgia, if that work on the blocked punt was any indication.
He looks like he's going to be a good back, runs hard, I have no problem with this pick.
Corbett pick ... OK. He seemed to be picked a tad high, didn't project to our biggest need at the time (LT) and hasn't beaten anybody out yet. Panic button? No because we have three strong starters inside and Corbett will be ready to replace whoever's contract they want to get rid of first, or whoever gets injured. I'm not going to lose sleep because he didn't crack the lineup the first year.
You can balance second rounder on the bench with udfa looking like he may hold down LT for some time.
So Pick#1 Mayfield: Has the feel of a franchise QB. Boom.
#4 Ward: Home Run.
#33 Corbett. Backup interior lineman at this point.
#35 Chubb Promising RB needs to hone blocking skills
#67 Chad Thomas Has seen action last two games, feels like a project
#105 Antonio Callaway: Starting, looks like speed burner we need
#150 Genard Avery: Better than could be expected, contributing right away,
So of the Top 7 picks, it looks like he knocked four out of the park, with 3 "we'll sees".
That would be the most promising Cleveland Browns draft of my lifetime.
Zombo
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#33 Corbett. Backup interior lineman at this point.
#35 Chubb Promising RB needs to hone blocking skills
That would be the most promising Cleveland Browns draft of my lifetime.
Zombo
Well done Zombo.. it appears that Corbett & Chubb are in the same school of training that Durango & Dayes faced. Drafted spot should but may not matter at this time? the future & till injury happens? Duz! Corbett only took 2 snaps against the Jets and he passed on both.As Durango, Corbett or maybe Harrison slide to a TE eligible. But in both cases, Corbett got to the second level for 2 key blocks that Hyde keyed off of for 1st downs. Chubb should be a key feature back when Baker has the surrounding support to take us to the next step..Harrison at LT has played well enough the last 2 games, I don't care where they come from. Just get the depth building on there future spots..Same with Higgins..kid only got 3 targets, but he caught all 3 to make good things happen..AFCN.. There's a train coming! ?️
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How nice of the Sashi Fan Club to meet up again tonight! ?
Count me in the Paul Depodesta fan club.
Dude came in with a truly innovative plan for the NFL. Hired a patsy to make all the unpopular moves required to set up year three, then enticed a proven talent evaluator with the bounty of resources set up by the patsy.
For all the losing this team now has a legit defense, a promising young QB and some offensive weapons to put around him. This is going to be fun!
Count me in the Paul Depodesta fan club.
Dude came in with a truly innovative plan for the NFL. Hired a patsy to make all the unpopular moves required to set up year three, then enticed a proven talent evaluator with the bounty of resources set up by the patsy.
For all the losing this team now has a legit defense, a promising young QB and some offensive weapons to put around him. This is going to be fun!
DePodesta is an interesting mention. He is like the mystery man of the front office. How did he keep his job? What does he do? Does anyone remember even seeing him on Hard Knocks?
I will say that if someone wanted to interview Sashi Brown on what he would have done in the last draft and free agency period had he remained in place, l would read that. Mostly curious on what the next phase of the plan would have been.
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