So after Thursday night football...
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Zeke's fine... his OL? Not so much...
as good as they were his first year, zeke still made alot of his own plays. Maybe its still early and he hasnt found his burst....but i noticed in the giants game some seams he didnt get through that he oblitersted through his rookie year. He's still great, better than what we have but not sure by how much anymore.
To illustrate my point, im not worried at all about our running game if carlos gets dinged. If zeke gets hurt, what do they have? I used to be a huge proponent of the star RB cause i grew up in the prime of barry sanders.....the very first football play i ever watched was a long run by walter the great. But now i prefer a commitee.
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Zeke's fine... his OL? Not so much...
as good as they were his first year, zeke still made alot of his own plays. Maybe its still early and he hasnt found his burst....but i noticed in the giants game some seams he didnt get through that he oblitersted through his rookie year. He's still great, better than what we have but not sure by how much anymore.
To illustrate my point, im not worried at all about our running game if carlos gets dinged. If zeke gets hurt, what do they have? I used to be a huge proponent of the star RB cause i grew up in the prime of barry sanders.....the very first football play i ever watched was a long run by walter the great. But now i prefer a commitee.
But now i prefer a commitee.
Certainly does not hurt to have a lead-dog chairing the committee, e.g., ATL's Freeman/Coleman duo, but to invest so heavily in one back is yesterday's philosophy.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
But now i prefer a commitee.
Certainly does not hurt to have a lead-dog chairing the committee, e.g., ATL's Freeman/Coleman duo, but to invest so heavily in one back is yesterday's philosophy.
Certainly does not hurt to have a lead-dog chairing the committee, e.g., ATL's Freeman/Coleman duo, but to invest so heavily in one back is yesterday's philosophy.
Mack/Byner, Pruitt/Pruitt, is it a philosophy or using what you have?
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Mack/Byner, Pruitt/Pruitt, is it a philosophy or using what you have?
Do you have what you have due to your philosophy? ?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Mack/Byner, Pruitt/Pruitt, is it a philosophy or using what you have?
Do you have what you have due to your philosophy? ?
Do you have what you have due to your philosophy? ?
A good coach works with a players abilities. You don't force a system. The players you have mandate the philosophy.
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A good coach works with a players abilities. You don't force a system. The players you have mandate the philosophy.
Agree, but is that germane here?
Teams can have a philosophy about how much draft capital they are willing to invest in the RB position.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
A good coach works with a players abilities. You don't force a system. The players you have mandate the philosophy.
Agree, but is that germane here?
Teams can have a philosophy about how much draft capital they are willing to invest in the RB position.
Agree, but is that germane here?
Teams can have a philosophy about how much draft capital they are willing to invest in the RB position.
Agree, but is that germane here?
Teams can have a philosophy about how much draft capital they are willing to invest in the RB position.
That's where your GM as a talent evaluator comes in.
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A good coach works with a players abilities. You don't force a system. The players you have mandate the philosophy.
Agree, but is that germane here?
Teams can have a philosophy about how much draft capital they are willing to invest in the RB position.
Agree, but is that germane here?
Teams can have a philosophy about how much draft capital they are willing to invest in the RB position.
"The godd.amn Germans ain't got nothin' to do with it".
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Gay. Barkley is one of four players the last 25 years to have 100 rush yards and 100 receiving yards through the first two games.
We should have taken Barkley #1 and traded to number 2 and taken Baker. Said it from the start. Still the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Grudge Gipper- prime example that you just can't trust the law, just a bunch of vengeful power hungry wannabee bullies... and I mean that with the utmost respect your honor
Gay. Barkley is one of four players the last 25 years to have 100 rush yards and 100 receiving yards through the first two games.
We should have taken Barkley #1 and traded to number 2 and taken Baker. Said it from the start. Still the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Grudge Gipper- prime example that you just can't trust the law, just a bunch of vengeful power hungry wannabee bullies... and I mean that with the utmost respect your honor
Too bad almost no one agrees with you. The price of moving up to #2 was too high. Also would have meant passing on Denzel Ward, who's looking like the DROY. We'd probably be 0-3 without him now. You're also forgetting the power pyramid. Franchise QB trumps anything else, and shut down corner ranks above running back.
Your dreamboat man crush Saquon has produced ZERO wins for the Giants to date, and the rumblings they should have drafted Darnold instead have already started. So there.
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"The godd.amn Germans ain't got nothin' to do with it".
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
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I think Saquon will be an amazing player. I really do. I think the Giants felt like they could get a bit more out of Eli, but then make their qb move in the 2019 draft. It's early, but they appear wrong. The Giants can't protect Eli, and they have no offense.
However, if they do manage to get their qb next year, Saquon will make his job easier. He's going to be good.
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"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
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A good coach works with a players abilities. You don't force a system. The players you have mandate the philosophy.
Agree, but is that germane here?
Teams can have a philosophy about how much draft capital they are willing to invest in the RB position.
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I think Saquon will be an amazing player. I really do. I think the Giants felt like they could get a bit more out of Eli, but then make their qb move in the 2019 draft. It's early, but they appear wrong. The Giants can't protect Eli, and they have no offense.
However, if they do manage to get their qb next year, Saquon will make his job easier. He's going to be good.
I think Saquon will be an amazing player. I really do. I think the Giants felt like they could get a bit more out of Eli, but then make their qb move in the 2019 draft. It's early, but they appear wrong. The Giants can't protect Eli, and they have no offense.
However, if they do manage to get their qb next year, Saquon will make his job easier. He's going to be good.
I think no one is saying Barkley isn't going to be good, or even great. That would have been a luxury pick for the Browns at the top of the draft- and we had far too many holes on the team to be drafting a running back that high.
LOL, if Saquon had still been on the board where we drafted Chubb- I would have been all for it.
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I think Saquon will be an amazing player. I really do. I think the Giants felt like they could get a bit more out of Eli, but then make their qb move in the 2019 draft. It's early, but they appear wrong. The Giants can't protect Eli, and they have no offense.
However, if they do manage to get their qb next year, Saquon will make his job easier. He's going to be good.
I think no one is saying Barkley isn't going to be good, or even great. That would have been a luxury pick for the Browns at the top of the draft- and we had far too many holes on the team to be drafting a running back that high.
LOL, if Saquon had still been on the board where we drafted Chubb- I would have been all for it.
I think no one is saying Barkley isn't going to be good, or even great. That would have been a luxury pick for the Browns at the top of the draft- and we had far too many holes on the team to be drafting a running back that high.
LOL, if Saquon had still been on the board where we drafted Chubb- I would have been all for it.
LOL! For sure!
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I would not swap Baker or Denzel for any 2018 draft pick right now ......... how is Bradley Chubb doing in Denver ?
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I think Saquon will be an amazing player. I really do. I think the Giants felt like they could get a bit more out of Eli, but then make their qb move in the 2019 draft. It's early, but they appear wrong. The Giants can't protect Eli, and they have no offense.
However, if they do manage to get their qb next year, Saquon will make his job easier. He's going to be good.
I think no one is saying Barkley isn't going to be good, or even great. That would have been a luxury pick for the Browns at the top of the draft- and we had far too many holes on the team to be drafting a running back that high.
LOL, if Saquon had still been on the board where we drafted Chubb- I would have been all for it.
I think no one is saying Barkley isn't going to be good, or even great. That would have been a luxury pick for the Browns at the top of the draft- and we had far too many holes on the team to be drafting a running back that high.
LOL, if Saquon had still been on the board where we drafted Chubb- I would have been all for it.
After the draft, Some wondered if we could have taken Barkley at #1 and still got Baker at #4, but at the time I said you do NOT risk it if the quarterback is the clear cut #1 on your board, you go get your quarterback, and if you read that Pluto article posted today, that was clearly the case, the Browns had Baker ranked head and shoulders above the other QBs.
Right now in time, it feels like this draft could not have gone better with Baker and Ward (But as Browns fans we are cautious) and we are 5th in the league in rushing yards, so there is that.
Zombo
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Gay. Barkley is one of four players the last 25 years to have 100 rush yards and 100 receiving yards through the first two games.
We should have taken Barkley #1 and traded to number 2 and taken Baker. Said it from the start. Still the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Grudge Gipper- prime example that you just can't trust the law, just a bunch of vengeful power hungry wannabee bullies... and I mean that with the utmost respect your honor
Gay. Barkley is one of four players the last 25 years to have 100 rush yards and 100 receiving yards through the first two games.
We should have taken Barkley #1 and traded to number 2 and taken Baker. Said it from the start. Still the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Grudge Gipper- prime example that you just can't trust the law, just a bunch of vengeful power hungry wannabee bullies... and I mean that with the utmost respect your honor
Poe this is one thing I have to respectfully disagree with you on..
It would have cost us alot to move two spots to draft Mayfield and Saquon..
I really do like the Denzel Ward pick, I believe he is going to be a great DB in this league, and he has been showing that so far early in the season..
We would of had to trade a few second rounders, possibly a 1st next year to move up..Chubb is a servicable back, and Hyde has been spectacular as the featured back.
Saquon is a good back, don't get me wrong, but so far I am impressed with Denzel Ward, I wouldn't want to lose his production for Barkley.
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I think no one is saying Barkley isn't going to be good, or even great. That would have been a luxury pick for the Browns at the top of the draft- and we had far too many holes on the team to be drafting a running back that high.
LOL, if Saquon had still been on the board where we drafted Chubb- I would have been all for it.
After the draft, Some wondered if we could have taken Barkley at #1 and still got Baker at #4, but at the time I said you do NOT risk it if the quarterback is the clear cut #1 on your board, you go get your quarterback, and if you read that Pluto article posted today, that was clearly the case, the Browns had Baker ranked head and shoulders above the other QBs.
Right now in time, it feels like this draft could not have gone better with Baker and Ward (But as Browns fans we are cautious) and we are 5th in the league in rushing yards, so there is that.
Zombo
Zombo said:
After the draft, Some wondered if we could have taken Barkley at #1 and still got Baker at #4, but at the time I said you do NOT risk it if the quarterback is the clear cut #1 on your board, you go get your quarterback, and if you read that Pluto article posted today, that was clearly the case, the Browns had Baker ranked head and shoulders above the other QBs.
Right now in time, it feels like this draft could not have gone better with Baker and Ward (But as Browns fans we are cautious) and we are 5th in the league in rushing yards, so there is that.
Zombo
And Bradley Chubb was still on the board @ #4, so we had our pick of him or Ward. With Ogbah coming back Ward really was the right choice to meet the strongest need if we thought they were of equal value on the overall board. As much as I wanted to see another impact DE on the other end from Garrett, I'm really happy with how well Ward has impacted this defense. And Avery was manna from heaven. Garrett is chomping at the bit to get our defensive players back from injury. We are excellent without them, but we will be super if all are 100% healthy.
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