If Baker is really this good...
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I think it was sometime in March that I fully decided on Baker. I eventually got to the point where I would've been happy with Baker or Darnold, but I knew I didn't want Josh Allen, and while I felt Rosen was the most "pro ready" and would be a good QB, I didn't think WE could take him because of his injury history. I was really in the Baker bandwagon, but a part of me just didn't think we'd actually TAKE him, ya know? I shrieked like a 7 year old girl when they announced Baker at the draft...I couldn't believe it.
What were the main reasons for wanting him? First and foremost, accuracy. Other-worldly accuracy. Placing the ball consistently into tight windows and guys ACTUALLY getting yards after the catch. After that, I felt he had the PERFECT personality for our downtrodden franchise. A two-time walk-on that was never given anything, and someone who had to work for everything his entire career. After Baker told the media that he was the guy who could transform our team's fate, that was when it became obvious to me. He wasn't hoping the Browns would pass on him, he genuinely WANTED to come here.
Same here Jiggins. I've been preaching it for years here. By the time you get to NFL draft Day- you're either accurate- or you're not. It's the primary reason I was almost ill when the Browns drafted Kizer, I saw too much of his errant passing at Notre dame, and Surprise! For the most part it was more of the same old, same old with the Browns.
PS- add Josh Allen to the scattershot list. I watched at least 4 complete games of his at Wyoming...
Same here Jiggins. I've been preaching it for years here. By the time you get to NFL draft Day- you're either accurate- or you're not. It's the primary reason I was almost ill when the Browns drafted Kizer, I saw too much of his errant passing at Notre dame, and Surprise! For the most part it was more of the same old, same old with the Browns.
PS- add Josh Allen to the scattershot list. I watched at least 4 complete games of his at Wyoming...
Well that's just it. Sounds stupidly simple, but can a guy put the ball where he wants it and do it consistently? I could give a cold dump about a guy who can throw it 80 yards. I really don't care. It's the reason why I so desperately wanted Alex Smith on our team. Get the ball out, get it in stride, and get the first down. And Kizer, lord....you nailed it. How many times we get near the end zone and he couldn't deliver it? Constantly missing receivers over the middle, throwing picks, and never, EVER to throw a fade pattern. Like...ever.
But know this Browns fans: As good as Baker played, and it was near legendary when you factor everything in, he's GOING to struggle more than he shines this year. It's what history tells us about virtually all rookie QBs. The GOOD news is that Baker has the mindset to overcome the doubt, the fear, and the hesitation that comes with learning the hard way. It's yet another reason why I wanted him. Remember when Kevin Hogan came into the game and immediately started slinging the rock around? The ball was coming out hot and on time. He moved us down the field, so much so that Hogan got the start against the Texans, and then proceeded to get his entire butt blown out of the water. He was never heard from again....and his butt is still missing.
I say this not to compare Hogan to Mayfield, only to remind everyone that each week is different. When NFL coaches have time to prepare for someone, especially a rookie, things tend to get tough. Backup QBs are said to be the most popular guys in town when you have a losing franchise. They come in, provide a spark, and people think, "Hey! This guy can do it every week!" Well, more often than not, he can't. Which is why he IS the backup.
Now obviously this is a bit different because Baker isn't just some well-traveled backup QB, he's the freaking #1 overall pick. And once you DO go to him, you're not likely to switch back, so you want the timing to be right. I'd been saying for a few days we'd see Baker start at Oakland because we have the mini break after Thursday, and then he'd get a complete week of practice as the #1.
We're all going to be excited. I'm going to be crazy with anticipation. But maybe I'm just too scared to FULLY believe, but I know how difficult it is to win on the road. Those fumbles don't roll your way. The calls aren't there from refs. The kicks that squeezed in before, bounce off uprights. It's a different animal, and while I'm beyond stoked, I'm trying to cautious myself about predicting success from my fireball rookie QB. Oakland is garbage, that's obvious. Their pass rush is hurting without Mack, and you run a giant risk giving Baker a clean pocket. However, it's as good as any game for a first start, and I'm completely pumped.
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Can't wait to see The Herd today though.
Can't wait to see The Herd today though.
That moron he had with him just mentioned Baker having his phone in his hand at the end of the game .......... how dare he have a phone in his hand after taking a 1-31 team to a 2nd half comeback win on debut .......how Shmucking dare he ...... put Tyrod back in and trade him .....
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Can't wait to see The Herd today though.
That moron he had with him just mentioned Baker having his phone in his hand at the end of the game .......... how dare he have a phone in his hand after taking a 1-31 team to a 2nd half comeback win on debut .......how Shmucking dare he ...... put Tyrod back in and trade him .....
That moron he had with him just mentioned Baker having his phone in his hand at the end of the game .......... how dare he have a phone in his hand after taking a 1-31 team to a 2nd half comeback win on debut .......how Shmucking dare he ...... put Tyrod back in and trade him .....
Phone? Call Collins mom and tell her "Baker is not studying his playbook. Bake is on the sidelines at Sooner/Army Game"
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It's amazing the effect a real QB has on a team.. What I witnessed the other night was that as soon as Baker walked out on to the field.... He literally raised the level of play of the entire team... I haven't seen that since we had Kosar.
I was disappointed to see that Tie Wad , While on the sidelines did NOT get together with his receivers and start talking and planning about what they could do for the next series... That should tell you all you need to know about him.. 1) He's a shitty chess player 2) He's not a leader of men.Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
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Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
I'm so glad we passed on that arrogant prick!
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Not sure how much you can inspire in a total of 4:03 of game clock at the end of a defensive struggle... but whatever.
Interesting thing to me was that Bradford had played well for most of the game, then not so much late and somehow that made it time to make the switch. This after two pretty terrible complete games by Bradford. Dubious decision to say the least...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
It's amazing the effect a real QB has on a team.. What I witnessed the other night was that as soon as Baker walked out on to the field.... He literally raised the level of play of the entire team... I haven't seen that since we had Kosar.
I was disappointed to see that Tie Wad , While on the sidelines did NOT get together with his receivers and start talking and planning about what they could do for the next series... That should tell you all you need to know about him.. 1) He's a shitty chess player 2) He's not a leader of men.It's amazing the effect a real QB has on a team.. What I witnessed the other night was that as soon as Baker walked out on to the field.... He literally raised the level of play of the entire team... I haven't seen that since we had Kosar.
I was disappointed to see that Tie Wad , While on the sidelines did NOT get together with his receivers and start talking and planning about what they could do for the next series... That should tell you all you need to know about him.. 1) He's a shitty chess player 2) He's not a leader of men.I like your chess reference. I've been told on here that chess and football are completely alien to each other. But then again, he's really into the whole anal thing. I'm more old skool in that football and the game of chess go hand in hand.
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It's amazing the effect a real QB has on a team.. What I witnessed the other night was that as soon as Baker walked out on to the field.... He literally raised the level of play of the entire team... I haven't seen that since we had Kosar.
I was disappointed to see that Tie Wad , While on the sidelines did NOT get together with his receivers and start talking and planning about what they could do for the next series... That should tell you all you need to know about him.. 1) He's a shitty chess player 2) He's not a leader of men.I like your chess reference. I've been told on here that chess and football are completely alien to each other. But then again, he's really into the whole anal thing. I'm more old skool in that football and the game of chess go hand in hand.
he's really into the whole anal thing.
Hey now!
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
I thought he did pretty good with 4 min left and behind.
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he's really into the whole anal thing.
Hey now!
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Not sure how much you can inspire in a total of 4:03 of game clock at the end of a defensive struggle... but whatever.
Interesting thing to me was that Bradford had played well for most of the game, then not so much late and somehow that made it time to make the switch. This after two pretty terrible complete games by Bradford. Dubious decision to say the least...
Not sure how much you can inspire in a total of 4:03 of game clock at the end of a defensive struggle... but whatever.
Interesting thing to me was that Bradford had played well for most of the game, then not so much late and somehow that made it time to make the switch. This after two pretty terrible complete games by Bradford. Dubious decision to say the least...
Rosen is a turnover machine, just like Darnold. They both would benefit by sitting a year like Mahomes did at KC. Speaking of Mahomes, that is the QB Baker beat out at Taco Tech. Davis Webb was the other. Webb was already one of the top QB's in the Big12 and was injured and Baker the walk on takes over and becomes big12 new comer of the yr. Mahomes was a redshirt.
The next spring the QB battle started at Taco Tech. Baker won but HC Kliff Kingsberry wanted his first QB he recruited to have the spot over the walk on.
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Not sure how much you can inspire in a total of 4:03 of game clock at the end of a defensive struggle... but whatever.
Interesting thing to me was that Bradford had played well for most of the game, then not so much late and somehow that made it time to make the switch. This after two pretty terrible complete games by Bradford. Dubious decision to say the least...
Not sure how much you can inspire in a total of 4:03 of game clock at the end of a defensive struggle... but whatever.
Interesting thing to me was that Bradford had played well for most of the game, then not so much late and somehow that made it time to make the switch. This after two pretty terrible complete games by Bradford. Dubious decision to say the least...
Yea, really. They put him in with 4 minutes left in the game and expect him to pull the game out under those circumstances? And it was not like Bradford was hurt. They should probably just go with Rosen from here out, as Browns will with Mayfield (I was about to write Manziel.....after typing the first two letters of his name. Yikes!)
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We had Paul Warfield, Greg Pruitt and Kevin Mack at a local golf tournament. All three gave our rookie QB high praise. Not the usual wish him well stuff but making some comparisons to some pretty good Browns teams.
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Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
Rosen's debut was.. less than inspiring.
Yup, He's simply too arrogant to own the NFL currently.
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I can see this fall coming. Stop building him up this hard guys. We did this with weedon. Not saying the two are comparable...im just saying, relax. If tyrod has to come back in a few weeks for a game or two, so be it.
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