NFL Phucks Cleveland Twice in 4 Weeks
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This game was our season. Truthfully, nobody expected us to "go to the playoffs" or anything, but this is the type of loss that cascades into more. Hue Jackson will be fired, we'll have to draft new personnel to fit a new system, we'll be told to have patience, and round and round we go.
Welcome to Cleveland, Baker. It's hard to feel sorry for a guy who is athletically gifted, has millions of dollars, plays football, and appears to have it all, but I do feel bad for him in a way. I like the guy, and I feel bad he had to come to us. This is only the beginning, Baker. There are so many more inexplicable losses to come, in ways you can't possibly imagine.
Cmon man. The current owner isn’t gonna fire Hue like that, some people argue the Browns should be 4-0.
we’re still the youngest team in the league, and the future is still bright.
and we got ROBBED today. No way around it.
Cmon man. The current owner isn’t gonna fire Hue like that, some people argue the Browns should be 4-0.
we’re still the youngest team in the league, and the future is still bright.
and we got ROBBED today. No way around it.
I hope you are right. I really do. But if this train completely derails like I expect, the outside pressure might be too great to keep a coach who has literally won two games in 2.25 seasons. Not only that, but virtually every close game is a loss. We only beat the Chargers because their kicker sucks, and we beat the Jets because they're completely miserable. Think about that for a few. It boggles the mind. Now look at our schedule and tell me just who in the world we're going to beat? I hope you are right. I can't stomach another coaching change, but I fear that Dorsey wants his own guy.
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Tour I think he may have been down before hand but one thing to remember is that they don't have that yellow line in the official replace that's just something that is for TV audiences. So while I have the yellow line I think that he's down but the object to the replay is to know that he is down. Them not having the yellow line makes it very hard to believe that they knew he was down short of the line to gain.
From my understanding, the replay officials in deed do have that yellow line, as they have every angle and shot from the TV broadcast. So they have the line, yet they know it isnt the official line.
From my understanding, the replay officials in deed do have that yellow line, as they have every angle and shot from the TV broadcast. So they have the line, yet they know it isnt the official line.
Makes sense because they'd have to have a different network feed since the reviews are centralized in NYC.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I guess for me, had I have seen a spot challenge that close be overturned before.... especially with the game on the line, then I wouldn't be so damn salty.
Again, based on people already contacting me about the call as well as the media's reaction, this was as far from a "Clear and obvious mistake" to most people as it gets. To be honest, Tour is the only one that I have personally seen that agrees with the call...... that's like 1-18 people in my world. Hardly "clear and obvious".
Oh well, just another game that Hue found a way to lose as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, but look at the bright side, he has the Ravens next week.
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I guess for me, had I have seen a spot challenge that close be overturned before.... especially with the game on the line, then I wouldn't be so damn salty.
Again, based on people already contacting me about the call as well as the media's reaction, this was as far from a "Clear and obvious mistake" to most people as it gets. To be honest, Tour is the only one that I have personally seen that agrees with the call...... that's like 1-18 people in my world. Hardly "clear and obvious".
Oh well, just another game that Hue found a way to lose as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, but look at the bright side, he has the Ravens next week.
Again, based on people already contacting me about the call as well as the media's reaction, this was as far from a "Clear and obvious mistake" to most people as it gets. To be honest, Tour is the only one that I have personally seen that agrees with the call...... that's like 1-18 people in my world. Hardly "clear and obvious"......
At least two more posters here agree with me...
That's at two more than I'm used to having share my takes...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Cmon man. The current owner isn’t gonna fire Hue like that, some people argue the Browns should be 4-0.
we’re still the youngest team in the league, and the future is still bright.
and we got ROBBED today. No way around it.
I hope you are right. I really do. But if this train completely derails like I expect, the outside pressure might be too great to keep a coach who has literally won two games in 2.25 seasons. Not only that, but virtually every close game is a loss. We only beat the Chargers because their kicker sucks, and we beat the Jets because they're completely miserable. Think about that for a few. It boggles the mind. Now look at our schedule and tell me just who in the world we're going to beat? I hope you are right. I can't stomach another coaching change, but I fear that Dorsey wants his own guy.
I hope you are right. I really do. But if this train completely derails like I expect, the outside pressure might be too great to keep a coach who has literally won two games in 2.25 seasons. Not only that, but virtually every close game is a loss. We only beat the Chargers because their kicker sucks, and we beat the Jets because they're completely miserable. Think about that for a few. It boggles the mind. Now look at our schedule and tell me just who in the world we're going to beat? I hope you are right. I can't stomach another coaching change, but I fear that Dorsey wants his own guy.
I know Hue has made some questionable calls, like at the dolphins(I was there) game from year 1, where after the defense strip sacked Tannehill, the Offense, Cody Kessler, came out and took a knee to drain the clock in case we missed the field goal, which was newly signed Cody Parkey at the time.(it was a tie game).. so that made it about a 47 yarder, instead of trying to move forward and make it an easier kick for the young kicker. Parkey missed, Dolphins win in OT.
And the Redskins game we were in control in the red zone and he gave the ball to the Fullback who fumbled. Probably just trying to get the FB some love which was dumb.
I just don’t know if other coaches would have done better in the same circumstances.
Defense is the real problem right now, Oakland was running wide open all game.
the turnovers did not help.
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No offense... but are you sure about that?
Yes i am positive unless it's changed in the past two years. How many times do you hear announcer saying well that yellow line isn't official. And since it isn't official they can't be using it to determine whether they made the line to gain or not. Also all they talked about after the spot game 2 years ago between Ohio State and Michigan was the spot in the replay and how officials aren't allowed to use the yellow line because it is not an official mark.
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I hope you are right. I really do. But if this train completely derails like I expect, the outside pressure might be too great to keep a coach who has literally won two games in 2.25 seasons. Not only that, but virtually every close game is a loss. We only beat the Chargers because their kicker sucks, and we beat the Jets because they're completely miserable. Think about that for a few. It boggles the mind. Now look at our schedule and tell me just who in the world we're going to beat? I hope you are right. I can't stomach another coaching change, but I fear that Dorsey wants his own guy.
I know Hue has made some questionable calls, like at the dolphins(I was there) game from year 1, where after the defense strip sacked Tannehill, the Offense, Cody Kessler, came out and took a knee to drain the clock in case we missed the field goal, which was newly signed Cody Parkey at the time.(it was a tie game).. so that made it about a 47 yarder, instead of trying to move forward and make it an easier kick for the young kicker. Parkey missed, Dolphins win in OT.
And the Redskins game we were in control in the red zone and he gave the ball to the Fullback who fumbled. Probably just trying to get the FB some love which was dumb.
I just don’t know if other coaches would have done better in the same circumstances.
Defense is the real problem right now, Oakland was running wide open all game.
the turnovers did not help.
I know Hue has made some questionable calls, like at the dolphins(I was there) game from year 1, where after the defense strip sacked Tannehill, the Offense, Cody Kessler, came out and took a knee to drain the clock in case we missed the field goal, which was newly signed Cody Parker at the time.(it was a tie game).. so that made it about a 47 yarder, instead of trying to move forward and make it an easier kick for the young kicker. Parker missed, Dolphins win in OT.
And the Redskins game we were in control in the red zone and he gave the ball to the Fullback who fumbled. Probably just trying to get the FB some love which was dumb.
I just don’t know if other coaches would have done better in the same circumstances.
Defense is the real problem right now, Oakland was running wide open all game.
the turnovers did not help.
I actually completely agree. I just worry that after losing basically EVERY SINGLE close game, some in gut-wrenching fashion, that a change will be made just for the sake of MAKING a change. I hope I'm wrong.
The bigger issue is the momentum effect. We've seen this EXACT scenario so many times. We have a game wrapped up, we figure out how to lose in horrible fashion, the football community points their collective fingers at us and laughs hysterically, meanwhile the "Same Old Browns" narrative continues and it just feeds on itself. It becomes a living thing. Browns fans know their team will blow it. Browns PLAYERS know they will blow it. And the opposition KNOWS they will win. We expect to lose. It's difficult to blame us.
That was our best chance to win the rest of the year. Watch, our injuries will start popping up, and we'll be down major players each week, just like every team. I literally have no idea who we can beat now, and we won't be favored to win the rest of the season.
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No offense... but are you sure about that?
Yes i am positive unless it's changed in the past two years. How many times do you hear announcer saying well that yellow line isn't official. And since it isn't official they can't be using it to determine whether they made the line to gain or not. Also all they talked about after the spot game 2 years ago between Ohio State and Michigan was the spot in the replay and how officials aren't allowed to use the yellow line because it is not an official mark.
Yes i am positive unless it's changed in the past two years. How many times do you hear announcer saying withoutwell that yellow line isn'tyellow line isn't official. And since it is it official they can't be using it to determine whether they made the line to gain or not. Also all they talked about after the spot game 2 years ago between Ohio State and Michigan was the spot in the replay and how officials aren't allowed to use the yellow line because it is not an official mark.
I think the point is that the officials marked it, then went to the replay in order to move it back an inch or two when there was no definitive evidence either way. Maybe it was a first down, maybe it wasn't. Regardless, there was no evidence to alter the spot as indicated by the former professional who used to be in CHARGE of the review process. Additionally, it's also the reason that nobody can think of another example of this happening in the NFL. I know I can't.
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Yes i am positive unless it's changed in the past two years. How many times do you hear announcer saying withoutwell that yellow line isn'tyellow line isn't official. And since it is it official they can't be using it to determine whether they made the line to gain or not. Also all they talked about after the spot game 2 years ago between Ohio State and Michigan was the spot in the replay and how officials aren't allowed to use the yellow line because it is not an official mark.
I think the point is that the officials marked it, then went to the replay in order to move it back an inch or two when there was no definitive evidence either way. Maybe it was a first down, maybe it wasn't. Regardless, there was no evidence to alter the spot as indicated by the former professional who used to be in CHARGE of the review process. Additionally, it's also the reason that nobody can think of another example of this happening in the NFL. I know I can't.
I think the point is that the officials marked it, then went to the replay in order to move it back an inch or two when there was no definitive evidence either way. Maybe it was a first down, maybe it wasn't. Regardless, there was no evidence to alter the spot as indicated by the former professional who used to be in CHARGE of the review process. Additionally, it's also the reason that nobody can think of another example of this happening in the NFL. I know I can't.
No my point is I was just responding to tour when I told him that the officials don't have the yellow line to go off of in the replay so that should have made it even harder to overturn the call
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Let’s not blame the coach for this. The injury to Mitchell hurt, but the DEFENSE was nonexistent when it was needed the most today.
and we should’ve been WAYYYY more conservative up 14 with the run game which was working. What did we do? Throw on first down to get strip sacked to send things spinning downwards.
i think the defensive and offensive playcalling has been VERY questionable. Too much trickery. Not enough running the damn ball.
Why the hell wasnt chubb getting more carries?!
Why the hell wasnt chubb getting more carries?!
Probably because he's still an awful blocker.
We had to play against the Silver & Black...and the White & Black.
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The team lost that game, not the refs.
Our defense was a porous yesterday. The prevent defensive scheme late in the game that Williams drew up was horrid. We couldn't get to Carr. We couldn't tackle Lynch. Were there some bad calls, yes, on both sides. Our offense became stagnant after we took a 2-TD lead. Not sure if we were just trying to protect, piss poor playing calling, or just poor execution on offense.
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The Carr fumble and the spot overturn rubbed me the wrong way. The Raiders had no time outs left with less than 2 minutes on the clock. I thought the guest official with extensive experience explained it all extremely well.
Regarding the team, the biggest concerns I had is we had NO replacement for Terrence Mitchell and they exploited it big time. And the dropsies out there were contagious enough for a pick 6. Callaway has to start catching the ball better with the playing time he's being entrusted with.
And not for nothing, a fumbled snap at the pro level is inexcusable. That basic procedure should be repeated from the onset of mini-camps throughout training camp/preseason and well into the regular season. The repetition should make it as automatic as breathing. If you're gonna make the QB under center important to your offense - that has to happen. Go watch a high school game with QBs under center and you don't see a lot of fumbled snaps for that reason.
Anyway, we've been in EVERY game. We've had 2 OT games and then the Saints game where our FG kicker missed 4 FGs. It would have at least been nice to get that Carr fumble for an inevitable TD that was taken away from us.
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From my understanding, the replay officials in deed do have that yellow line, as they have every angle and shot from the TV broadcast. So they have the line, yet they know it isnt the official line.
Makes sense because they'd have to have a different network feed since the reviews are centralized in NYC.
Makes sense because they'd have to have a different network feed since the reviews are centralized in NYC.
They get the same angles but not the same shots. Shots meaning with graphics on it. The cameras don't put the yellow line on it is done in production trucks. The production truck sends a unedited one (no graphics) on replays.
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This game was our season. Truthfully, nobody expected us to "go to the playoffs" or anything, but this is the type of loss that cascades into more. Hue Jackson will be fired, we'll have to draft new personnel to fit a new system, we'll be told to have patience, and round and round we go.
Welcome to Cleveland, Baker. It's hard to feel sorry for a guy who is athletically gifted, has millions of dollars, plays football, and appears to have it all, but I do feel bad for him in a way. I like the guy, and I feel bad he had to come to us. This is only the beginning, Baker. There are so many more inexplicable losses to come, in ways you can't possibly imagine.
Cmon man. The current owner isn’t gonna fire Hue like that, some people argue the Browns should be 4-0.
we’re still the youngest team in the league, and the future is still bright.
and we got ROBBED today. No way around it.
Cmon man. The current owner isn’t gonna fire Hue like that, some people argue the Browns should be 4-0.
we’re still the youngest team in the league, and the future is still bright.
and we got ROBBED today. No way around it.
We should be 4-0, but we are 1-2-1. Them is the facts.
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Cleveland's police Dept tweeted out that they have a robbery warrant out for Oakland game refs.
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Sheet even if Hyde was short. I would have went for it!
Worst case scenario, they get the ball back and get a TD..
We punted the ball away and look what happenend... They scored a Shmucking TD and the conversion!Hue needs to get his Sheet together! That stupid trick play at the 1/2 yardline in the first Qtr cost us points..
The first 2-point conversion when were up 9-7? Why tf would you go for 2?!?!
Fuk the refs too! That fumble blown dead was an absolute blunder!This game is tough to swallow.. We aren't winning more than 3 games this year if we keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory..
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I think it's that oakland has serious talent on both sides of the ball, and it was a tough
matchup personnel-wise.
Can't make mistakes much and win.
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It's whatever at this point..
We got phucked, but we phucked ourselves too..
Baker had an up-and-down today, some his fault, most were on the receivers who couldn't catch sh!t!I liked how he kept us in it, just wish the refs didn't phuck us with no-lube...
On to the Ravens.
Let's bounce back, or at the very least..
Tie.
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No offense... but are you sure about that?
Yes i am positive unless it's changed in the past two years. How many times do you hear announcer saying well that yellow line isn't official. And since it isn't official they can't be using it to determine whether they made the line to gain or not. Also all they talked about after the spot game 2 years ago between Ohio State and Michigan was the spot in the replay and how officials aren't allowed to use the yellow line because it is not an official mark.
Yes i am positive unless it's changed in the past two years. How many times do you hear announcer saying well that yellow line isn't official. And since it isn't official they can't be using it to determine whether they made the line to gain or not. Also all they talked about after the spot game 2 years ago between Ohio State and Michigan was the spot in the replay and how officials aren't allowed to use the yellow line because it is not an official mark.
That is entirely from your original statement.. or the one below...
Yes, "the line" is not official. However, it is a reference point for pinpointing action on the field.
They get the same angles but not the same shots. Shots meaning with graphics on it. The cameras don't put the yellow line on it is done in production trucks. The production truck sends a unedited one (no graphics) on replays.
So if there's a replay you think "the truck" sends video to the League Office in NYC? I don't think so...
What the office gets is the network feed in real time which has all the info we see. I found a 2014 SI article, Inside the NFL's Replay Command Center. It states:
Beyond the stations used to monitor the replays is a bank of 14 flat-screen high-def monitors to carry the DirecTV feeds of all the day games and the NBC feed of the looming Sunday night game, San Francisco at Denver.
https://www.si.com/2014/11/11/inside-the-nfls-replay-command-center
I would have thought the replay center's feed would also include the time stamp of each camera feed to "the trucks",i.e., running clocks to 1/100th of a second. I thought this because you sometimes hear mention of replays being synched up when one shows one piece of info clearly (like when the runner is down) and another a second piece (like when the ball came out). However, the article does not mention the time stamp and it's not seen in any of the video monitors in the included photos.
What is in the photos are graphics.
If you have an article saying the feeds are "graphics free", then I'd appreciate a link.
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