NFL Phucks Cleveland Twice in 4 Weeks
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A clear block in the back was not called either! I'm talking about the punt right after the reversal, very near where the punt returner made the catch.
A clear block in the back was not called either! I'm talking about the punt right after the reversal, very near where the punt returner made the catch.
1. Spot reversed. I posted the video, there is nothing irrefutable about it. You gotta go with the call on the field in a situation like that. Game over.
2. Fumble on Carr. Straight out blown call that cost us a touchdown
3. Lynch throws a hissy fit in front of the Ref, kicks/throws ball ... not even a delay of game?
4. I saw the block in the back, we all did. Stunned the flag was never thrown.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I don't think the league has it in for the Browns. I don't think the games are fixed in any remote way at all.
I just thought it was shitty refereeing.
And when you're a young team playing their asses off and taking four teams to the final gun and only having one win to show for it, it hurts.
I'm not even thinking about Ravens til Thursday at the earliest, gonna take my time and lick my wounds.
Terrence Mitchell was having a great season, gonna miss him. Carrie and Gaines will just need to step up. We've been in worst spots.
Zombo
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The game was not rigged. But there are certain things that get me really angry:
-The Carr fumble makes NO SENSE at all. He is in a passing stance, and fumbles the ball. That call was a big giant WTF.
- I don't care if Lynch kicked the ball, they whistled down way too early and that's something I hate. Let them play and later check the replay if you need to.
- I have never seen a 1st down call on the field get measured to check that it is a 1st down, to LATER check a replay and overturn it with no obvious camera shot. The order of the things they did seems weird: if you keep doubting, check the replay, THEN respot the ball, and THEN measure the distance.
Was it a 1st down? I can't really tell. Do they overturn something like this and handle it the way they did it? Never.
- Holdings: if Lynch is running to the sideline, it is a must check that the O lineman/TE isn't holding the defender doing the contain. They did it in HD and almost no offensive holdings were called.
Having said all that, I look forward to watching this team play and get more wins, hopefully making a statement so the game is not decided by these kind of stuff.
The game was not rigged. But there are certain things that get me really angry:
-The Carr fumble makes NO SENSE at all. He is in a passing stance, and fumbles the ball. That call was a big giant WTF.
- I don't care if Lynch kicked the ball, they whistled down way too early and that's something I hate. Let them play and later check the replay if you need to.
- I have never seen a 1st down call on the field get measured to check that it is a 1st down, to LATER check a replay and overturn it with no obvious camera shot. The order of the things they did seems weird: if you keep doubting, check the replay, THEN respot the ball, and THEN measure the distance.
Was it a 1st down? I can't really tell. Do they overturn something like this and handle it the way they did it? Never.
- Holdings: if Lynch is running to the sideline, it is a must check that the O lineman/TE isn't holding the defender doing the contain. They did it in HD and almost no offensive holdings were called.
Having said all that, I look forward to watching this team play and get more wins, hopefully making a statement so the game is not decided by these kind of stuff.
I'd just like to point out while the whistle was WAY too early, to suggest (figurative, not saying you personally) he would bust out a big run is ridiculous. The whistle blew loud and clear and whoever the two guys were blatantly disengaged off Lynch as a result. Dude's a beast, but he was going to get tackled.
As I said in another thread, the reffing today was atrocious and the Raiders got a few bad calls. But the Browns won that game but didn't get the W based on two egregiously bad calls (fumble, overturn first down). Haslam if he has hair on his balls needs to demand, in private, a formal inquiry into why it happened. we know why, but it's can't happen again. This team actually can compete and win games, we can't get screwed and settle like the Browns of old.
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I'll just say this regarding the overturn.
Let's hypothetically say that the ref would've spotted the ball 4" short of where they eventually "officially" moved it to, would they have then looked at the play and moved the ball those 4" forward and remeasured? There's not a bone in my body that thinks that would've happened, and if they did, then it would've ended with "The ruling on the field stands"..... JUST LIKE WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN PITTSBURGH!!!!
At then end of the day, there were a lot of plays that could've clinched it, and one that comes to my mind is if Collins wouldn't have turned into a giant pussy in OT and made the damn interception.
I'll just say this regarding the overturn.
Let's hypothetically say that the ref would've spotted the ball 4" short of where they eventually "officially" moved it to, would they have then looked at the play and moved the ball those 4" forward and remeasured? There's not a bone in my body that thinks that would've happened, and if they did, then it would've ended with "The ruling on the field stands"..... JUST LIKE WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN PITTSBURGH!!!!
At then end of the day, there were a lot of plays that could've clinched it, and one that comes to my mind is if Collins wouldn't have turned into a giant pussy in OT and made the damn interception.
He's a total wuss 99% of the time! Very low effort, put a heart rate monitor on him during a game, I bet it would average about 70 beats per minute.
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A sports savvy co worker just came up to me and said...that the browns game was the closest thing to a wwe scripted event he has ever seen...that if it wasnt they should admit it is.. Fyi he is a steeler fan.
That rumble you hear...its pittsburgh blowing up...you talk about hate spewing spastics...the radio is blowing up
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It seems to me that over the last few years there have been certain times--the 'Tuck Rule' game, last years Steelers-Patriots 'actually he didn't catch the ball', and yesterday's 'no that wasn't a first down'--where it just seems that the refs are saying "Just give us a minute so that we can figure out how to rule that what everyone just saw didn't actually happen."
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But I firmly believe that Earl Morral threw the Super Bowl against the Jets in '69 and Neal O'Donnell threw the Super Bowl against the Cowboys in '96.
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At least two more posters here agree with me...
That's at two more than I'm used to having share my takes...
Well IF you are using me as one agreeing, I can say half way. From what I seen, I would say he was short, but with it being a 1st on field, I dont see how they overturned it.
My only point in posting at all was saying it was fixed. From that play, whether right or wrong, I see no evidence of a fix.
Well IF you are using me as one agreeing, I can say half way. From what I seen, I would say he was short, but with it being a 1st on field, I dont see how they overturned it.
My only point in posting at all was saying it was fixed. From that play, whether right or wrong, I see no evidence of a fix.
We're short by inches on that play. Sure the percentages say you punt, but maybe not if your defense is a sieve, and your special teams suck. No guts no glory. Give the ball to Hyde, or qb sneak. If you can't make a foot, you don't deserve to win anyway.
I'm with Jiggins on this one, we were ready to open the victory port, and I told Bob to hold off. Just had the feeling we weren't stopping the Raiders on that drive.
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We could’ve went for it, and I don’t think anybody would’ve second guessed(actually probably everybody would’ve), however, our defense had just stopped them,
and after the punt, we blitzed and gave them a huge play.
The BLITZING NEEDS TO STOP, when we can’t afford to give up huge chunks. All we had to do was keep them in bounds. They had NO timeouts...
Has G. Williams heard of cover 4? Or hell, man up 3 deep? Where is that coverage when we need to NOT give up a chunk.
I swear coaches from 2010 would’ve had that game clinched with better defensive playcalling.
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My question is what is haslam going to do about it. Someone’s head at the nfl offices has to roll this is beyond acceptable. Haslam needs to take this as far as he can and get the loss vacated
My question is what is haslam going to do about it. Someone’s head at the nfl offices has to roll this is beyond acceptable. Haslam needs to take this as far as he can and get the loss vacated
Hopefully you aren't holding your breath waiting for that to happen. Guess what...there's bad calls in every game. Just look back at the roughing the passer penalty on Matthews that cost the Packers against the Vikings earlier this season as a terrible penalty that cost GB a victory.
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To make a short story shorter, losers lose and winners win. This may be an obvious philosophy but when Cleveland starts to win and win consistently, they will start getting the breaks like referees tacking on another half yard when they place the ball after a play or they may not even flag an offensive hold. The NFL will only give breaks to those that are contenders. Right now Cleveland should be, in my opinion, 4-0 but they are not. Cleveland suffers from the stain of being a loser and until they get a string of victories I expect that stain to still be on them for the remainder of the season. I'm the consummate Cleveland fan, wait till next season.
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I picked them to win twice this season. I'm happy to be 75% there. And it's October and we're not eliminated yet. Optimism abounds. Coach these kids up better and who knows?
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To make a short story shorter, losers lose and winners win. This may be an obvious philosophy but when Cleveland starts to win and win consistently, they will start getting the breaks like referees tacking on another half yard when they place the ball after a play or they may not even flag an offensive hold. The NFL will only give breaks to those that are contenders. Right now Cleveland should be, in my opinion, 4-0 but they are not. Cleveland suffers from the stain of being a loser and until they get a string of victories I expect that stain to still be on them for the remainder of the season. I'm the consummate Cleveland fan, wait till next season.
To make a short story shorter, losers lose and winners win. This may be an obvious philosophy but when Cleveland starts to win and win consistently, they will start getting the breaks like referees tacking on another half yard when they place the ball after a play or they may not even flag an offensive hold. The NFL will only give breaks to those that are contenders. Right now Cleveland should be, in my opinion, 4-0 but they are not. Cleveland suffers from the stain of being a loser and until they get a string of victories I expect that stain to still be on them for the remainder of the season. I'm the consummate Cleveland fan, wait till next season.
That right there, the part highlighted, if true, should be a cause for a major investigation.....and even prosecution. If the refs are making or not making calls or changing calls because one team has had a bad past record, that is called fraud.....and would be a federal criminal offense, if in fact it could be proven that such calls were made out of discriminatory intent. I don't care what you say, it is basically the same as calling the game to come to a certain outcome due to a gambling bribe. No difference.
That said, I doubt that is true....that it is called that way on purpose. But subliminally? Maybe.
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The D was bad and it really should have been worse Carr had 2 easy TD's that he missed! Nelson was wide wide open for 6 and so was the receiver in the end zone that tried to come back to make the catch. I could be wrong, but they ended up getting a total of 3 points instead of 14.
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Well IF you are using me as one agreeing, I can say half way. From what I seen, I would say he was short, but with it being a 1st on field, I dont see how they overturned it.
My only point in posting at all was saying it was fixed. From that play, whether right or wrong, I see no evidence of a fix.
We're short by inches on that play. Sure the percentages say you punt, but maybe not if your defense is a sieve, and your special teams suck. No guts no glory. Give the ball to Hyde, or qb sneak. If you can't make a foot, you don't deserve to win anyway.
I'm with Jiggins on this one, we were ready to open the victory port, and I told Bob to hold off. Just had the feeling we weren't stopping the Raiders on that drive.
We're short by inches on that play. Sure the percentages say you punt, but maybe not if your defense is a sieve, and your special teams suck. No guts no glory. Give the ball to Hyde, or qb sneak. If you can't make a foot, you don't deserve to win anyway.
I'm with Jiggins on this one, we were ready to open the victory port, and I told Bob to hold off. Just had the feeling we weren't stopping the Raiders on that drive.
I agree with that, and maybe it was a TERRIBLE call, and the fumble to. But to me there is a HUGE difference in having terrible calls and actually thinking the game was fixed.
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We're short by inches on that play. Sure the percentages say you punt, but maybe not if your defense is a sieve, and your special teams suck. No guts no glory. Give the ball to Hyde, or qb sneak. If you can't make a foot, you don't deserve to win anyway.
I'm with Jiggins on this one, we were ready to open the victory port, and I told Bob to hold off. Just had the feeling we weren't stopping the Raiders on that drive.
I agree with that, and maybe it was a TERRIBLE call, and the fumble to. But to me there is a HUGE difference in having terrible calls and actually thinking the game was fixed.
I agree with that, and maybe it was a TERRIBLE call, and the fumble to. But to me there is a HUGE difference in having terrible calls and actually thinking the game was fixed.
The refs quick whistle helped us early in the game. Don't forget that. The problem with the 3rd down running play is that it was originally called a first down and then overturned and certainly didn't seem like there was evidence to overturn the call on the field.
I also think going for it on your own 20 with 1:50 left is a silly call that would've had 95% of you around here saying Hue should be fired for making that decision if it doesn't work. What's the point of having a defense if you can't trust them to hold an 8 point lead?
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No apologies from NFL this time.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24863251/nfl-explains-replay-reversal-cleveland-browns-1st-down
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All this pissing and moaning about refs is embarassing.
Yall axtin like stiller fans. Man up...appreciate what we have to build upon and quit whining.
We had too many turnovers that resulted in raider points.
Enough already.
All this pissing and moaning about refs is embarassing
We're shameless Browns fans.
We lost the game because Hue allowed the Raiders to take control of the game at the end.
The refs gave us 4th and inches. All we had to do was QB sneak for a couple of inches. What are the odds for 4th and inches QB sneaks? Gotta be over 90%. What were the odds that we were gonna stop the Raiders after punt? When we lost the cornerback we couldn't stop them. And what are you telling your offensive line by foregoing the QB sneak to win the game? Answer: I don't have faith in your ability to gain 6 inches.
Even if he was afraid of Baker doing the sneak....put in Tyrod and tell him to smash that concussed head of his over the 1st down stripe.
And today, Hue comes out with WE have to learn to finish games. We have to take it out of the officials hands. We have to take control. We have to put the final nail in the coffin. Does he actually do what he said? No.
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Well IF you are using me as one agreeing, I can say half way. From what I seen, I would say he was short, but with it being a 1st on field, I dont see how they overturned it.
My only point in posting at all was saying it was fixed. From that play, whether right or wrong, I see no evidence of a fix.
We're short by inches on that play. Sure the percentages say you punt, but maybe not if your defense is a sieve, and your special teams suck. No guts no glory. Give the ball to Hyde, or qb sneak. If you can't make a foot, you don't deserve to win anyway.
I'm with Jiggins on this one, we were ready to open the victory port, and I told Bob to hold off. Just had the feeling we weren't stopping the Raiders on that drive.
We're short by inches on that play. Sure the percentages say you punt, but maybe not if your defense is a sieve, and your special teams suck. No guts no glory. Give the ball to Hyde, or qb sneak. If you can't make a foot, you don't deserve to win anyway.
I'm with Jiggins on this one, we were ready to open the victory port, and I told Bob to hold off. Just had the feeling we weren't stopping the Raiders on that drive.
They were discussing the odds of converting on a 4th & inches on the radio several times today.
Dustin Fox, had a compilation of stats from the last 15 years on 4th & 1 and the success rate was 82% (QB sneak).
Fourth and inches carried nearly 95% success rate on a QB sneak.
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The quick whistles offset each other since they were really quick on the one on the Lynch run and then the fumble that we would've recovered. The truly bad call is the overturn of the first down that basically cost us the game. However, the defense still had an 8 point lead, less than 2 minutes and let them cruise down for the TD and the 2 point.
The quick whistles offset each other since they were really quick on the one on the Lynch run and then the fumble that we would've recovered. The truly bad call is the overturn of the first down that basically cost us the game. However, the defense still had an 8 point lead, less than 2 minutes and let them cruise down for the TD and the 2 point.
That quick whistle cost us the ball. I know where you coming from though. It's all coaching. You either play to win or you play to not.....
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