NFL Phucks Cleveland Twice in 4 Weeks
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All this pissing and moaning about refs is embarassing
We're shameless Browns fans.
We lost the game because Hue allowed the Raiders to take control of the game at the end.
The refs gave us 4th and inches. All we had to do was QB sneak for a couple of inches. What are the odds for 4th and inches QB sneaks? Gotta be over 90%. What were the odds that we were gonna stop the Raiders after punt? When we lost the cornerback we couldn't stop them. And what are you telling your offensive line by foregoing the QB sneak to win the game? Answer: I don't have faith in your ability to gain 6 inches.
Even if he was afraid of Baker doing the sneak....put in Tyrod and tell him to smash that concussed head of his over the 1st down stripe.
And today, Hue comes out with WE have to learn to finish games. We have to take it out of the officials hands. We have to take control. We have to put the final nail in the coffin. Does he actually do what he said? No.
We're shameless Browns fans.
We lost the game because Hue allowed the Raiders to take control of the game at the end.
The refs gave us 4th and inches. All we had to do was QB sneak for a couple of inches. What are the odds for 4th and inches QB sneaks? Gotta be over 90%. What were the odds that we were gonna stop the Raiders after punt? When we lost the cornerback we couldn't stop them. And what are you telling your offensive line by foregoing the QB sneak to win the game? Answer: I don't have faith in your ability to gain 6 inches.
Even if he was afraid of Baker doing the sneak....put in Tyrod and tell him to smash that concussed head of his over the 1st down stripe.
And today, Hue comes out with WE have to learn to finish games. We have to take it out of the officials hands. We have to take control. We have to put the final nail in the coffin. Does he actually do what he said? No.
I sure hope you are joking about Tyrod. Put someone in to possibly get hurt more.
As for going for it on 4th, even if it is 90%, what about that 10%. Then you give them an even shorter field. You have the LEAD, you rely on your defense to stop them with a long field and then a 2 pt conversation. It didn't work out.
And you just got the call that people are talking about proof of a fix, and now you expect the officials to get an exact spot on a sneak with 22 people all in the same area. Yea, make total sense. If the Browns go for it there and dont get it, even more people are calling for his job because he didnt punt it.
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All this pissing and moaning about refs is embarassing
We're shameless Browns fans.
We lost the game because Hue allowed the Raiders to take control of the game at the end.
The refs gave us 4th and inches. All we had to do was QB sneak for a couple of inches. What are the odds for 4th and inches QB sneaks? Gotta be over 90%. What were the odds that we were gonna stop the Raiders after punt? When we lost the cornerback we couldn't stop them. And what are you telling your offensive line by foregoing the QB sneak to win the game? Answer: I don't have faith in your ability to gain 6 inches.
Even if he was afraid of Baker doing the sneak....put in Tyrod and tell him to smash that concussed head of his over the 1st down stripe.
And today, Hue comes out with WE have to learn to finish games. We have to take it out of the officials hands. We have to take control. We have to put the final nail in the coffin. Does he actually do what he said? No.
We're shameless Browns fans.
We lost the game because Hue allowed the Raiders to take control of the game at the end.
The refs gave us 4th and inches. All we had to do was QB sneak for a couple of inches. What are the odds for 4th and inches QB sneaks? Gotta be over 90%. What were the odds that we were gonna stop the Raiders after punt? When we lost the cornerback we couldn't stop them. And what are you telling your offensive line by foregoing the QB sneak to win the game? Answer: I don't have faith in your ability to gain 6 inches.
Even if he was afraid of Baker doing the sneak....put in Tyrod and tell him to smash that concussed head of his over the 1st down stripe.
And today, Hue comes out with WE have to learn to finish games. We have to take it out of the officials hands. We have to take control. We have to put the final nail in the coffin. Does he actually do what he said? No.
Well 4th and short, some thoughts...... http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/62665328
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Hindsight is 20/20
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Who is that is actually making the decision on replays? I have always thought the referee down on the field was looking at it and making a judgement - but now I hear this talk about how the it is the central officiating office in NYC that is actually reviewing the challenged plays and rendering decisions.
Which is it?
Who is that is actually making the decision on replays? I have always thought the referee down on the field was looking at it and making a judgement - but now I hear this talk about how the it is the central officiating office in NYC that is actually reviewing the challenged plays and rendering decisions.
Which is it?
It's the central league office in NYC that makes the decision. They just tell the referee on the field of their decision so he can relate it to the crowd and what they're looking at on the replays.
Just like the way baseball does it.
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All this pissing and moaning about refs is embarassing
We're shameless Browns fans.
We lost the game because Hue allowed the Raiders to take control of the game at the end.
The refs gave us 4th and inches. All we had to do was QB sneak for a couple of inches. What are the odds for 4th and inches QB sneaks? Gotta be over 90%. What were the odds that we were gonna stop the Raiders after punt? When we lost the cornerback we couldn't stop them. And what are you telling your offensive line by foregoing the QB sneak to win the game? Answer: I don't have faith in your ability to gain 6 inches.
Even if he was afraid of Baker doing the sneak....put in Tyrod and tell him to smash that concussed head of his over the 1st down stripe.
And today, Hue comes out with WE have to learn to finish games. We have to take it out of the officials hands. We have to take control. We have to put the final nail in the coffin. Does he actually do what he said? No.
Even if he was afraid of Baker doing the sneak....put in Tyrod and tell him to smash that concussed head of his over the 1st down stripe.
FYI- Tyrod was inactive for the game yesterday, Stanton was the backup.
To the original post, I do think the Browns have been given a raw deal many many times. Most notably, when they put us in the same division as the ratbirds when we got our team back.
We all watch a lot of football, and I don't see these stupid-butt rulings happen to any other team. It's truly strange when you think about it....Dwayne Rudd's helmet, Bottlegate, getting called for defensive PI on a Hail Mary in Detroit, yesterday's strip sack and then the erroneous measurement...that's just a few I recall. I know there's more.
Only positive I have is this team can definitely hang with most any team now. They're not too far away. They can't, and didn't fix everything in one off-season, but damn, the glass is half full now.
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Under two minutes they look at everything supposedly.
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To make a short story shorter, losers lose and winners win. This may be an obvious philosophy but when Cleveland starts to win and win consistently, they will start getting the breaks like referees tacking on another half yard when they place the ball after a play or they may not even flag an offensive hold. The NFL will only give breaks to those that are contenders. Right now Cleveland should be, in my opinion, 4-0 but they are not. Cleveland suffers from the stain of being a loser and until they get a string of victories I expect that stain to still be on them for the remainder of the season. I'm the consummate Cleveland fan, wait till next season.
To make a short story shorter, losers lose and winners win. This may be an obvious philosophy but when Cleveland starts to win and win consistently, they will start getting the breaks like referees tacking on another half yard when they place the ball after a play or they may not even flag an offensive hold. The NFL will only give breaks to those that are contenders. Right now Cleveland should be, in my opinion, 4-0 but they are not. Cleveland suffers from the stain of being a loser and until they get a string of victories I expect that stain to still be on them for the remainder of the season. I'm the consummate Cleveland fan, wait till next season.
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We're shameless Browns fans.
We lost the game because Hue allowed the Raiders to take control of the game at the end.
The refs gave us 4th and inches. All we had to do was QB sneak for a couple of inches. What are the odds for 4th and inches QB sneaks? Gotta be over 90%. What were the odds that we were gonna stop the Raiders after punt? When we lost the cornerback we couldn't stop them. And what are you telling your offensive line by foregoing the QB sneak to win the game? Answer: I don't have faith in your ability to gain 6 inches.
Even if he was afraid of Baker doing the sneak....put in Tyrod and tell him to smash that concussed head of his over the 1st down stripe.
And today, Hue comes out with WE have to learn to finish games. We have to take it out of the officials hands. We have to take control. We have to put the final nail in the coffin. Does he actually do what he said? No.
I sure hope you are joking about Tyrod. Put someone in to possibly get hurt more.
As for going for it on 4th, even if it is 90%, what about that 10%. Then you give them an even shorter field. You have the LEAD, you rely on your defense to stop them with a long field and then a 2 pt conversation. It didn't work out.
And you just got the call that people are talking about proof of a fix, and now you expect the officials to get an exact spot on a sneak with 22 people all in the same area. Yea, make total sense. If the Browns go for it there and dont get it, even more people are calling for his job because he didnt punt it.
As for going for it on 4th, even if it is 90%, what about that 10%.
Let me ask you this: If the rolls were reversed. The Raiders had the ball with the lead....4th and a couple of inches.....and if they QB sneak for the first down the Browns lose the game. As a Browns coach you would be praying to GOD that they DON'T run the QB sneak and that they punt. RIGHT??? I mean the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of the QB sneak being successful.
So why on earth would you do what the other team WANTS you to do?
Hue did NOT play to Win The Game. Hue played Not To Lose. I hate playing that way!
Now, to be fair, if you're playing a team that you've stifled their offense all day long, PERHAPS you might punt it to them. But the Raiders put up 565 yards of offense on us. And sure as $#!+ THEY'D be using all 4 downs if they got to 4th down at all.
We needed 3 or 4 inches to WIN the game. And even if we DIDN'T make it, the Raiders COULDN'T beat us with their possession. They could only tie....and we might still have had some time on the clock.
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I just have this to say though. Hue Jackson has no cajones. When they didn't get the spot you get back out there and get the fu¢king 1st down.
No, punting was not the right call, clearly. You get the 1st.
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Hindsight is 20/20
Hindsight is 20/20
It's not hindsight when I'm sitting there stating, "QB sneak it! QB sneak it!" - Just ask Mrs. Wife.
.....and Jon Gruden has DATA that Hindsight is 50/50.
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No apologies from NFL this time.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24863251/nfl-explains-replay-reversal-cleveland-browns-1st-down
No apologies from NFL this time.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24863251/nfl-explains-replay-reversal-cleveland-browns-1st-down
Perhaps not on the third and one tall but on that fumble by car that is what they should be apologizing forPerhaps not on the third and one tall but on that fumble by car that is what they should be apologizing for
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As for going for it on 4th, even if it is 90%, what about that 10%.
Let me ask you this: If the rolls were reversed. The Raiders had the ball with the lead....4th and a couple of inches.....and if they QB sneak for the first down the Browns lose the game. As a Browns coach you would be praying to GOD that they DON'T run the QB sneak and that they punt. RIGHT??? I mean the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of the QB sneak being successful.
So why on earth would you do what the other team WANTS you to do?
Hue did NOT play to Win The Game. Hue played Not To Lose. I hate playing that way!
Now, to be fair, if you're playing a team that you've stifled their offense all day long, PERHAPS you might punt it to them. But the Raiders put up 565 yards of offense on us. And sure as $#!+ THEY'D be using all 4 downs if they got to 4th down at all.
We needed 3 or 4 inches to WIN the game. And even if we DIDN'T make it, the Raiders COULDN'T beat us with their possession. They could only tie....and we might still have had some time on the clock.
Let me ask you this: If the rolls were reversed. The Raiders had the ball with the lead....4th and a couple of inches.....and if they QB sneak for the first down the Browns lose the game. As a Browns coach you would be praying to GOD that they DON'T run the QB sneak and that they punt. RIGHT??? I mean the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of the QB sneak being successful.
So why on earth would you do what the other team WANTS you to do?
Hue did NOT play to Win The Game. Hue played Not To Lose. I hate playing that way!
Now, to be fair, if you're playing a team that you've stifled their offense all day long, PERHAPS you might punt it to them. But the Raiders put up 565 yards of offense on us. And sure as $#!+ THEY'D be using all 4 downs if they got to 4th down at all.
We needed 3 or 4 inches to WIN the game. And even if we DIDN'T make it, the Raiders COULDN'T beat us with their possession. They could only tie....and we might still have had some time on the clock.
Hue does not play to win and ergo he loses
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To make a short story shorter, losers lose and winners win. This may be an obvious philosophy but when Cleveland starts to win and win consistently, they will start getting the breaks like referees tacking on another half yard when they place the ball after a play or they may not even flag an offensive hold. The NFL will only give breaks to those that are contenders. Right now Cleveland should be, in my opinion, 4-0 but they are not. Cleveland suffers from the stain of being a loser and until they get a string of victories I expect that stain to still be on them for the remainder of the season. I'm the consummate Cleveland fan, wait till next season.
To make a short story shorter, losers lose and winners win. This may be an obvious philosophy but when Cleveland starts to win and win consistently, they will start getting the breaks like referees tacking on another half yard when they place the ball after a play or they may not even flag an offensive hold. The NFL will only give breaks to those that are contenders. Right now Cleveland should be, in my opinion, 4-0 but they are not. Cleveland suffers from the stain of being a loser and until they get a string of victories I expect that stain to still be on them for the remainder of the season. I'm the consummate Cleveland fan, wait till next season.
This is what I've said all year. Right now, we're losers. Everyone knew we were losing that game. The feeling was definitely there. So if we feel it, the players feel it. Same thing with New Orleans. I was there, I felt it. The players felt it. I know our former kicker certainly felt it. That same feeling was in the air against Oakland. It's funny, when Baker came in against the Jets, it felt like we'd win. Even when down 17-14. It felt like we'd pull it out. I don't expect to have that feeling again. Only chance we have is against Tampa Bay. Every other game is likely a loss unless we get every possible break that exists.
On the plus side, I think Baker will be very good. He's just going to have some atrocious growing pains, which are inevitable. Unfortunately, we aren't good enough to overcome them for victories. Oh, and it doesn't help that David "The Chief Queef" Njoku can't catch, and neither can anyone else. That hurts.
We aren't there yet, I think we all knew that going in. We don't know how to win, which is the way it's been for years. Even last year, the worst season ever, we had what...3 games we should have won? Same with the year before. When the game comes down to making a play, we refuse to be the team making it. Could that change? Sure. But not this year. The tie and two losses have crushed whatever small amount of confidence we had. Landry looked defeated. Garrett looked defeated. They're starting to understand what it means to be a Cleveland Brown. Well, a Cleveland Brown this year anyway, because as we ALL know....
There's always next year.
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They deserved to lose. Going three and out how many times in a row to end the game?
And special teams is an absolute joke.
They deserved to lose. Going three and out how many times in a row to end the game?
And special teams is an absolute joke.
Bullshi+ - they deserved to win. They put up 42 points on that team and sealed the deal by picking up a first down with under 2 minutes, with Gruden out of TOs. Game Over. The Browns won the game, period. The record can say what it wants. We beat Pittsburgh too. The Browns are 3-1, quit bitching.
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Roughing the passer on Myles Garrett.
Fumble by Derek Carr, Browns "reversed" first down.
What the Shmuck ever... The Browns are 3-1. I won't see it any other way.
NFL QUIT Shmucking CLEVELAND OVER YOU PUSSY BITCHES.
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They deserved to lose. Going three and out how many times in a row to end the game?
And special teams is an absolute joke.
Bullshi+ - they deserved to win. They put up 42 points on that team and sealed the deal by picking up a first down with under 2 minutes, with Gruden out of TOs. Game Over. The Browns won the game, period. The record can say what it wants. We beat Pittsburgh too. The Browns are 3-1, quit bitching.
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They deserved to lose. Going three and out how many times in a row to end the game?
And special teams is an absolute joke.
Bullshi+ - they deserved to win. They put up 42 points on that team and sealed the deal by picking up a first down with under 2 minutes, with Gruden out of TOs. Game Over. The Browns won the game, period. The record can say what it wants. We beat Pittsburgh too. The Browns are 3-1, quit bitching.
Bullshi+ - they deserved to win. They put up 42 points on that team and sealed the deal by picking up a first down with under 2 minutes, with Gruden out of TOs. Game Over. The Browns won the game, period. The record can say what it wants. We beat Pittsburgh too. The Browns are 3-1, quit bitching.
I keep hearing 'we put up 42 poinrts'. We still f u k ing lost.
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We are all expecting the NFL to be fair. Look the NFL is in the business to pick winners and losers PERIOD. The LA television market means more to the NFL then the Cleveland market does. Another reason that might have precipitated this review was the need to keep the game close and within the point spread, remember this is a business. This call that was reversed in NYC was specifically called out for review because if there was a way to provide an extra opportunity to the Raiders to win or keep it close the NFL was going to make that happen. Now the NFL doesn't have a crystal ball that allows them to see into the future but they did know that allowing Cleveland to get a 1st down would of effectively ended the game. Again if Cleveland was 3-0 (and in my opinion they should be) this would not have been an issue and the play would have stood as called on the field and Cleveland would be 4-0 but the NFL knows Cleveland would be OK with a close loss because Cleveland is use to losing. Make no mistake, this is about respect and the NFL has none for Cleveland so gird your loins because this season Cleveland will not just have to compete with another team each week but with that team's 13th "Man" in NYC, the NFL's Central Replay Command". And remember the motto of the NFL's Central Replay Command: "A Force to Make Winners and for Bookies".
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