Most Dangerous Neighborhoods in US, Cincinnatti #1
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How is East Cleveland not there?!?! Theres like 2 cops there and one is chillin on coventry all day.
Oh and to all those people talking about race... It has NOTHING at all to do with it, when I was younger I lived in some pretty bad areas in Cleveland, and I wasnt the only white dude, yeah there were few, but the environmental conditions effect people of every race. If the neighborhood was predominantly Caucasian and the same environmental and upbringing conditions were there, then it would be the same thing. Its hard to get somewhere when you have nothing, and those closest to you who do have something, got it by doing things that arent exactly legal or moral.
The psychological pressures and influences on the youths in the projects and inner city neighborhoods is extreme. You cant pin the problem down to ONE thing, which is why nobody has been able to solve it. Inner city education is one problem, cleveland city schools are pretty bad, another is parental upbriging or lackthereof which is quite hard if not impossible to correct and control. Theres environmental pressures, and local role models. Then theres the battle of what THEY tell you, and what you see. Then theres the issue of balancing wants and needs.
These are all the problems that contribute to poverty/crime. It has noting to do with race. I know some of you are going to use special cases to contest me, and thats fine. Some people have the will power, the knowledge, and self confidence to get out, and become successfull. What do you do with the rst of the people? Let them burn? NO way, we need to find new ways to help, new ways to educate, and new ways to SAVE, yes I said it, SAVE the individuals living in poverty stricken neighborhoods and places with high crime, we need to SAVE the criminals, we need to SAVE the 18 year old single moms who have 4 children. Thats the only way its going to get better
Did you read any of this thread?
CLEVELAND, Ohio (Cedar Ave./55th St.)
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@shepwrite said:
Then Dems take office and the gap closes, which I personally see as a very, VERY good thing.Care to give me 3 examples of a Democrat POTUS, aside from the bubble based economy of Clinton (whom I will give credit to) of the above statement?
And fiscal conservatives tens to create jobs. I am not sure you know this, but Clinton and Kennedy were both fiscal conservatives. Bush was not.
Come on man, you know you make statements all the time concerning politics that are incorrect.
Please stop.
Care to give me 3 examples of a Democrat POTUS, aside from the bubble based economy of Clinton (whom I will give credit to) of the above statement?
And fiscal conservatives tens to create jobs. I am not sure you know this, but Clinton and Kennedy were both fiscal conservatives. Bush was not.
Come on man, you know you make statements all the time concerning politics that are incorrect.
Please stop.
I would just like to point out that during Clintons Presidency that the internet was the cause of the booming economy. I dont know why people havent realized that to be the case. Clinton was president from 1992 to 2000. During that same period was the when the internet became huge and had a huge effect on the way businesses operated not to mention all the new .com's that were created. While everybody would like to credit Clinton as being this great president, I think it was more timing then anything. The credit for the economy in the 90's has more to do with the sucess of Regan and what he did for the country in the 80's, providing an economy that allowed the Bill Gates of the world start out in his garage and build the empire he has today.
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@shepwrite said:
Veg, that makes no sense at all: You know you make statements that are wrong?Uhm... huh?
The widening and narrowing isn't an opinion. I posted the Harvard study on the other board. It just is what it is. You don't have to like it... but now you know.
And the big "crashes" of recent past came at the ends of Bush administrations after at least 8 years of Republican rule, late '80s and the more recent one.
The GOP didn't become extinct from too much success, you know.
First of all studies are easily slanted towards ones point of view and Harvard is known for its libral bais as are most univeristies today.
The GOP is on far from extinct, the problem with the GOP is that it is being divided between people that want to conform to the mainstream and those that want to stay with more conservitive values. You hear it all the time, when someone says they are a Republican they almost always have to add in that they are conservitive not just republican. Being republican does not stand for what it use to and that is the problem.
Not to mention all the brainwashing that is going on today from television and our schools. Dems go after the mushbrains that dont pay attention to whats really going on and you see the effect of it today. I would love to see a study of intelligence between Libral and Conservitive (by a non-partisian enitity) or if not intelligence atleast a study on how knowledgeable the two sides are on the political issues of the day. I guarentee the conservitive will know more about what is going on then the liberal will, atleast on an overall basis.
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How is East Cleveland not there?!?! Theres like 2 cops there and one is chillin on coventry all day.
Oh and to all those people talking about race... It has NOTHING at all to do with it, when I was younger I lived in some pretty bad areas in Cleveland, and I wasnt the only white dude, yeah there were few, but the environmental conditions effect people of every race. If the neighborhood was predominantly Caucasian and the same environmental and upbringing conditions were there, then it would be the same thing. Its hard to get somewhere when you have nothing, and those closest to you who do have something, got it by doing things that arent exactly legal or moral.
The psychological pressures and influences on the youths in the projects and inner city neighborhoods is extreme. You cant pin the problem down to ONE thing, which is why nobody has been able to solve it. Inner city education is one problem, cleveland city schools are pretty bad, another is parental upbriging or lackthereof which is quite hard if not impossible to correct and control. Theres environmental pressures, and local role models. Then theres the battle of what THEY tell you, and what you see. Then theres the issue of balancing wants and needs.
These are all the problems that contribute to poverty/crime. It has noting to do with race. I know some of you are going to use special cases to contest me, and thats fine. Some people have the will power, the knowledge, and self confidence to get out, and become successfull. What do you do with the rst of the people? Let them burn? NO way, we need to find new ways to help, new ways to educate, and new ways to SAVE, yes I said it, SAVE the individuals living in poverty stricken neighborhoods and places with high crime, we need to SAVE the criminals, we need to SAVE the 18 year old single moms who have 4 children. Thats the only way its going to get better
Did you read any of this thread?
CLEVELAND, Ohio (Cedar Ave./55th St.)
Did you read any of this thread?
CLEVELAND, Ohio (Cedar Ave./55th St.)
Im referring to the city east cleveland, the the east side of cleveland. You know, east cleveland, shaw high school, Euclid between mayfield and warrensville. U know east 140th & hayden, St. Claire. Windermere.... that east cleveland
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@shepwrite said:
Veg, that makes no sense at all: You know you make statements that are wrong?Uhm... huh?
The widening and narrowing isn't an opinion. I posted the Harvard study on the other board. It just is what it is. You don't have to like it... but now you know.
And the big "crashes" of recent past came at the ends of Bush administrations after at least 8 years of Republican rule, late '80s and the more recent one.
The GOP didn't become extinct from too much success, you know.
First of all studies are easily slanted towards ones point of view and Harvard is known for its libral bais as are most univeristies today.
The GOP is on far from extinct, the problem with the GOP is that it is being divided between people that want to conform to the mainstream and those that want to stay with more conservitive values. You hear it all the time, when someone says they are a Republican they almost always have to add in that they are conservitive not just republican. Being republican does not stand for what it use to and that is the problem.
Not to mention all the brainwashing that is going on today from television and our schools. Dems go after the mushbrains that dont pay attention to whats really going on and you see the effect of it today. I would love to see a study of intelligence between Libral and Conservitive (by a non-partisian enitity) or if not intelligence atleast a study on how knowledgeable the two sides are on the political issues of the day. I guarentee the conservitive will know more about what is going on then the liberal will, atleast on an overall basis.
You're "conservative," right? Me, I'm one of the "mushbrain" Liberals, brainwashed by TV with my head in the sand...
I would love to see a study of intelligence between Libral and Conservitive (by a non-partisian enitity) or if not intelligence atleast a study on how knowledgeable the two sides are on the political issues of the day. I guarentee the conservitive will know more about what is going on then the liberal will, atleast on an overall basis.
Well, here's your informal study right here, though I'm far from non-partisan.
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You're "conservative," right? Me, I'm one of the "mushbrain" Liberals, brainwashed by TV with my head in the sand...
I would love to see a study of intelligence between Libral and Conservitive (by a non-partisian enitity) or if not intelligence atleast a study on how knowledgeable the two sides are on the political issues of the day. I guarentee the conservitive will know more about what is going on then the liberal will, atleast on an overall basis.
Well, here's your informal study right here, though I'm far from non-partisan.
mz. said:
You're "conservative," right? Me, I'm one of the "mushbrain" Liberals, brainwashed by TV with my head in the sand...Well, here's your informal study right here, though I'm far from non-partisan.
LOL, that has to be one of the worst posts ever by eqrulz.
We should have that, a worst and best posts of the week. Really, you get one vote per post. That wouldn't be too hard to add in a dislike button and keep stats.
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@shepwrite said:
It's really hard to credit presidents with good or bad economies, but I'd look at long runs of one party or the other. At the end of Reagan-Bush, we had a massive crash. And at the end of W we had the biggest crash since the Depression.At the least, it looks really sucky on their resumes. I wouldn't claim fiscal success if I were a Republican. Or mention anything that has to do with military (Iraq, torture, etc.).
I'd stick with vague generalities about small towns, white people, and the good old days. Toss in some scares about gay Arab abortionists, etc. Paper tiger stuff.
Seriously, the GOP as it was is dead. They have to re-brand, and they can't do that with a Bush or three old white guys in a Denny's or wherever they were last month. It'll have to be way bigger and more inclusive than that.
The only people that give vague generalities are librals because on the surface what they stand for sounds good and all but when put to practice all it does is hurt the people that are willing to work in life. Spread the wealth does nothing but hurt the people that suceed in life and allow the bums on social programs sit on their ass and collect a monthly check.
Forced reitirement plan (Social Security) sounds good and all but put into practice you have what you we have today, a system that is bankrupting the goverment and not paying out what it was promised to do. If people put the same amount of money they give the goverment for S.S. into the Stockmarket they would be millioniers by the time they reitired instead of collecting a couple hundred dollars a month from the goverment.
I am sick to death of hearing white male and that is all the republicans are. That is just not the case, conservatives are the people that work hard in life, strive to make their kids life better then theirs and have the live and let live mentality. They dont want the goverment providing for them and they dont want the goverment in their life. It doesnt matter wether you are white, black, hispanic or asian, it doesnt matter if your male or female. Those things dont matter to the conservitive they matter to the libral that wants to divied and conquer. By pitting woman against men, black against white they get people to stop looking a the problem and focus on the us vs them mentilty. That blinds people into following the crowd and make socity in the sheep they are today that believe whatever they are told.
You want to talk about specifics, lets talk about specifics. What do you think is going to happen when Cap and Trade is passed? The U.S will lose thousands of jobs that will move over seas when the cost of production out weighs profitiablity. By charging a tax on Carbon (the most basic component of life, you breathing creates carbondioxide) the cost of business is going to skyrocket, meaning electric bills going up, cost of gas going up, price of food going up, all the while causing businesses to have less money for salaries. Now with all that stated what effect do you think that will have on the economy?
This is the part where you say but that will force people to go green and create all these green jobs. Every facit of our life will be effected by this Cap and Trade tax, do you honestly believe that millions of green jobs are gonna be created out of thin air to replace the jobs that will be lost to companies moving over seas? Its not going to happen.
Lets talk about Carter in the 70's before you try and claim fiscal sucess for the Librals. He created an economy every bit as bad as what we are facing now, the difference is we had Regan in the 80's to clean up the mess. Now we have Carter 2.0 trying to clean up the mess, lets see where we are in 4 years. I have a feeling it wont be where Regan got us. We are going to be in far worse shape if Obama keeps going down the path he is taking us.
As far as war goes, we went into Iraq with the belief of weapons of mass destruction, it was proved wrong but that does not change the fact that we liberated a country and got a tyrannt out of power, I think that is a good thing and have no problems with bringing it up. Waterboarding is not torture and it has been proven not to be torture. Torture is having the intent to harm someone, the intent to harm was never there but the information we gathered has saved thousands of lives. Again not somthing I have a problem with discussing.
Your problem is like so many other librals, you have blind faith in your party, you will tow the party line with out thinking about the issue and coming up with our own conclusions. Until you and most people in America start to realize our goverment is playing one big game where both parties are equally hurting our country we will get what we have always gotten, goverment getting bigger taking more and more freedoms until one day we wake up to a country that no longer offers the American Dream but a life of slavery to our goverment where nothing we do will change our position in life because it has been laid out for us.
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@shepwrite said:
It's really hard to credit presidents with good or bad economies, but I'd look at long runs of one party or the other. At the end of Reagan-Bush, we had a massive crash. And at the end of W we had the biggest crash since the Depression.At the least, it looks really sucky on their resumes. I wouldn't claim fiscal success if I were a Republican. Or mention anything that has to do with military (Iraq, torture, etc.).
I'd stick with vague generalities about small towns, white people, and the good old days. Toss in some scares about gay Arab abortionists, etc. Paper tiger stuff.
Seriously, the GOP as it was is dead. They have to re-brand, and they can't do that with a Bush or three old white guys in a Denny's or wherever they were last month. It'll have to be way bigger and more inclusive than that.
The only people that give vague generalities are librals because on the surface what they stand for sounds good and all but when put to practice all it does is hurt the people that are willing to work in life. Spread the wealth does nothing but hurt the people that suceed in life and allow the bums on social programs sit on their ass and collect a monthly check.
Forced reitirement plan (Social Security) sounds good and all but put into practice you have what you we have today, a system that is bankrupting the goverment and not paying out what it was promised to do. If people put the same amount of money they give the goverment for S.S. into the Stockmarket they would be millioniers by the time they reitired instead of collecting a couple hundred dollars a month from the goverment.
I am sick to death of hearing white male and that is all the republicans are. That is just not the case, conservatives are the people that work hard in life, strive to make their kids life better then theirs and have the live and let live mentality. They dont want the goverment providing for them and they dont want the goverment in their life. It doesnt matter wether you are white, black, hispanic or asian, it doesnt matter if your male or female. Those things dont matter to the conservitive they matter to the libral that wants to divied and conquer. By pitting woman against men, black against white they get people to stop looking a the problem and focus on the us vs them mentilty. That blinds people into following the crowd and make socity in the sheep they are today that believe whatever they are told.
You want to talk about specifics, lets talk about specifics. What do you think is going to happen when Cap and Trade is passed? The U.S will lose thousands of jobs that will move over seas when the cost of production out weighs profitiablity. By charging a tax on Carbon (the most basic component of life, you breathing creates carbondioxide) the cost of business is going to skyrocket, meaning electric bills going up, cost of gas going up, price of food going up, all the while causing businesses to have less money for salaries. Now with all that stated what effect do you think that will have on the economy?
This is the part where you say but that will force people to go green and create all these green jobs. Every facit of our life will be effected by this Cap and Trade tax, do you honestly believe that millions of green jobs are gonna be created out of thin air to replace the jobs that will be lost to companies moving over seas? Its not going to happen.
Lets talk about Carter in the 70's before you try and claim fiscal sucess for the Librals. He created an economy every bit as bad as what we are facing now, the difference is we had Regan in the 80's to clean up the mess. Now we have Carter 2.0 trying to clean up the mess, lets see where we are in 4 years. I have a feeling it wont be where Regan got us. We are going to be in far worse shape if Obama keeps going down the path he is taking us.
As far as war goes, we went into Iraq with the belief of weapons of mass destruction, it was proved wrong but that does not change the fact that we liberated a country and got a tyrannt out of power, I think that is a good thing and have no problems with bringing it up. Waterboarding is not torture and it has been proven not to be torture. Torture is having the intent to harm someone, the intent to harm was never there but the information we gathered has saved thousands of lives. Again not somthing I have a problem with discussing.
Your problem is like so many other librals, you have blind faith in your party, you will tow the party line with out thinking about the issue and coming up with our own conclusions. Until you and most people in America start to realize our goverment is playing one big game where both parties are equally hurting our country we will get what we have always gotten, goverment getting bigger taking more and more freedoms until one day we wake up to a country that no longer offers the American Dream but a life of slavery to our goverment where nothing we do will change our position in life because it has been laid out for us.
conservatives are the people that work hard in life, strive to make their kids life better then theirs and have the live and let live mentality.
Holy shit is that funny.
Kosar, I'd vote for this......
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You're "conservative," right? Me, I'm one of the "mushbrain" Liberals, brainwashed by TV with my head in the sand...
I would love to see a study of intelligence between Libral and Conservitive (by a non-partisian enitity) or if not intelligence atleast a study on how knowledgeable the two sides are on the political issues of the day. I guarentee the conservitive will know more about what is going on then the liberal will, atleast on an overall basis.
Well, here's your informal study right here, though I'm far from non-partisan.
mz. said:
You're "conservative," right? Me, I'm one of the "mushbrain" Liberals, brainwashed by TV with my head in the sand...Well, here's your informal study right here, though I'm far from non-partisan.
LMAO I tried to get spell check because a I knew for a fact some libral would come back at me and say you cant spell so you must be stupid, well I downloaded it but didnt want to have to restart my comp.
Yea I cant spell but I am not as stupid as you would like to believe. Im not going to have a pissing contest with you and try to show my intellengce.
All I will say is this, you didnt try to challenge me on the content of what I wrote you instead went after me personally trying to make me out to be stupid so there for my statements must be stupid as well. Challenge me on the content of what I wrote and not that fact that I cant spell for shit.
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mz. said:
You're "conservative," right? Me, I'm one of the "mushbrain" Liberals, brainwashed by TV with my head in the sand...Well, here's your informal study right here, though I'm far from non-partisan.
LMAO I tried to get spell check because a I knew for a fact some libral would come back at me and say you cant spell so you must be stupid, well I downloaded it but didnt want to have to restart my comp.
Yea I cant spell but I am not as stupid as you would like to believe. Im not going to have a pissing contest with you and try to show my intellengce.
All I will say is this, you didnt try to challenge me on the content of what I wrote you instead went after me personally trying to make me out to be stupid so there for my statements must be stupid as well. Challenge me on the content of what I wrote and not that fact that I cant spell for shit.
Im not going to have a pissing contest with you and try to show my intellengce.
No? Huh?? That's exactly what you wanted...
I would love to see a study of intelligence between Libral and Conservitive (by a non-partisian enitity)
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conservatives are the people that work hard in life, strive to make their kids life better then theirs and have the live and let live mentality.
Holy shit is that funny.
Kosar, I'd vote for this......
mz. said:
Holy shit is that funny.Kosar, I'd vote for this......
Please elaborate, to me there is nothing funny about that statment, that is a fact. Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives dont work hard? Or that they dont want a better life for there kids? Or that they dont have a live and let live attitude?
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mz. said:
Holy shit is that funny.Kosar, I'd vote for this......
Please elaborate, to me there is nothing funny about that statment, that is a fact. Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives dont work hard? Or that they dont want a better life for there kids? Or that they dont have a live and let live attitude?
Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives dont work hard? Or that they dont want a better life for there kids?
No dude. YOU were the one insinuating that "Liberals" somehow AREN'T those things.
Hence, funny. And high-and-mighty as shit, too.
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mz. said:
Holy shit is that funny.Kosar, I'd vote for this......
Please elaborate, to me there is nothing funny about that statment, that is a fact. Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives dont work hard? Or that they dont want a better life for there kids? Or that they dont have a live and let live attitude?
Please elaborate, to me there is nothing funny about that statment, that is a fact. Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives dont work hard? Or that they dont want a better life for there kids? Or that they dont have a live and let live attitude?
LOL, OMG, it just gets funnier.
mz the pussy let's keep this going until he catches on.
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Please elaborate, to me there is nothing funny about that statment, that is a fact. Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives dont work hard? Or that they dont want a better life for there kids? Or that they dont have a live and let live attitude?
LOL, OMG, it just gets funnier.
mz the pussy let's keep this going until he catches on.
LOL, OMG, it just gets funnier.
mz the pussy let's keep this going until he catches on.
I can't. My head hurts. I'm going to lunch.
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Im not going to have a pissing contest with you and try to show my intellengce.
No? Huh?? That's exactly what you wanted...
I would love to see a study of intelligence between Libral and Conservitive (by a non-partisian enitity)
mz. said:
No? Huh?? That's exactly what you wanted...I didnt state me personally as being smarter then any libral. I stated I would like to see a study as far as in general percentages. You want to make it personal because that is what librals do. They want to tear down the messenger so nobody wants to stand up and fight. Attack the basis of what I am saying not me personally. I know its hard for you not to resort to normal tactics but give it a try you my learn something. Hell maybe Ill learn something. That is the great thing about debate, both sides can learn.
The problem with personal attacks is all it does is try and shut one side up so the other side can say "see they are a dumbass dont listen to them" with out ever saying anything meaningful.
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mz. said:
No? Huh?? That's exactly what you wanted...I didnt state me personally as being smarter then any libral. I stated I would like to see a study as far as in general percentages. You want to make it personal because that is what librals do. They want to tear down the messenger so nobody wants to stand up and fight. Attack the basis of what I am saying not me personally. I know its hard for you not to resort to normal tactics but give it a try you my learn something. Hell maybe Ill learn something. That is the great thing about debate, both sides can learn.
The problem with personal attacks is all it does is try and shut one side up so the other side can say "see they are a dumbass dont listen to them" with out ever saying anything meaningful.
They want to tear down the messenger so nobody wants to stand up and fight.
I don't think you have met Cal yet.
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Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives dont work hard? Or that they dont want a better life for there kids?
No dude. YOU were the one insinuating that "Liberals" somehow AREN'T those things.
Hence, funny. And high-and-mighty as shit, too.
mz. said:
No dude. YOU were the one insinuating that "Liberals" somehow AREN'T those things.Hence, funny. And high-and-mighty as shit, too.
While librals do for the most part work hard and want a better life for their kids I dont believe they have a live and let live attitude. Anybody that doesnt see things the way they do, the tear down and try and destroy. All you need do is look at your personal attacks on me to see that statement has some merit.
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mz. said:
No dude. YOU were the one insinuating that "Liberals" somehow AREN'T those things.Hence, funny. And high-and-mighty as shit, too.
While librals do for the most part work hard and want a better life for their kids I dont believe they have a live and let live attitude. Anybody that doesnt see things the way they do, the tear down and try and destroy. All you need do is look at your personal attacks on me to see that statement has some merit.
While librals do for the most part work hard and want a better life for their kids I dont believe they have a live and let live attitude. Anybody that doesnt see things the way they do, the tear down and try and destroy. All you need do is look at your personal attacks on me to see that statement has some merit.
Ok I can't stand it any longer.......it's LIBERAL.
Man, that gets on my nerves worse than seeing Brodney Poole over and over.
I guess I'm too anal.........uh, you know, in the OCD kind of way, not the Lums kind of way.
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Please elaborate, to me there is nothing funny about that statment, that is a fact. Are you trying to insinuate that conservatives dont work hard? Or that they dont want a better life for there kids? Or that they dont have a live and let live attitude?
LOL, OMG, it just gets funnier.
mz the pussy let's keep this going until he catches on.
LOL, OMG, it just gets funnier.
mz the pussy let's keep this going until he catches on.
I cant spell I told you that nor am I going to take the extra effort to change how I post just so you cant insult me. Insult me I dont really care, my points have merit and as long as you focus on my spelling and less on the issues at hand the more you prove my point. But I would expect no less from a libral. Keep proving how much better you are then me because you can correct my spelling, doesnt hurt my feelings.
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While librals do for the most part work hard and want a better life for their kids I dont believe they have a live and let live attitude. Anybody that doesnt see things the way they do, the tear down and try and destroy. All you need do is look at your personal attacks on me to see that statement has some merit.
Ok I can't stand it any longer.......it's LIBERAL.
Man, that gets on my nerves worse than seeing Brodney Poole over and over.
I guess I'm too anal.........uh, you know, in the OCD kind of way, not the Lums kind of way.
Ok I can't stand it any longer.......it's LIBERAL.
Man, that gets on my nerves worse than seeing Brodney Poole over and over.
I guess I'm too anal.........uh, you know, in the OCD kind of way, not the Lums kind of way.
Ya I noticed it about 2 posts ago but Im typing fast cause I really should have been gone already. I knew I shouldnt get sucked into a debate with a LIBERAL, it gives ME a headache but I coudnt help myself.
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