Best Players not in the HOF

mjp28

@texasag1969 said:

Lester Hayes CB Raiders

Career highlights and awards

2× Super Bowl champion (XV, XVIII)

5× Pro Bowl (1980–1984)

First-team All-Pro (1980)

5× Second-team All-Pro (1979, 1981–1984)

NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1980)

NFL interceptions leader (1980)

NFL 1980s All-Decade Team

I always liked Hayes, HOF worthy I don't know.

Zombo

@canton-dawg said:

I agree. . .

How do you play 268 games and only recover one fumble?

Zombo

Dutch Oven

Zombo said:

How do you play 268 games and only recover one fumble?

Zombo

That blows my mind too... Like I feel it almost has to be a typo?

Ghoolie

@the-gipper said:

StadiumTalk.com has listed what it thinks are the 25 most deserving people who are not yet in the HOF, though they are and have been eligible. I believe it has broken them down into positions. Here they are:

HC: Bill Cowher, Steelers

Punter: Dave Jennings Giants/Jets

Kicker: Matt Stover Browns/Ravens

Safety: Tim McDonald 49ers

Safety: Johnny Robinson Chiefs

S/CB Dave Grayson Raiders

CB: Eric Allen Eagles

LB: Larry Grantham Jets

LB: Leroy Jordan Cowboys

LB: Cornelius Bennett, Bills/Colts

DE: LC Greenwood, Steelers

DT: Rosey Grier, Rams

DT: Ron McDole Redskins

DT: Alex Karras, Lions

OG: Bruno Banducci Eagles/49ers

OT Lomas Brown Giants

OT Jim Tyrer Bears

OT D.i.c.k Shafrath Browns

OC Kevin Mawae Titans

TE Pete Retzlaff Eagles

WR: Cliff Branch Raiders

WR: Harold Jackson Eagles

RB: Roger Craig 49ers

RB: Edgerrin James Colts

QB: Ken Anderson Bengals

https://www.stadiumtalk.com/s/best-nfl-players-not-in-hall-of-fame-41a16878ca9746e3?utm_campaign=nothallfame-681d518f9f9e4218&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=fac&utm_content=247801

Tell where you agree or disagree......or who you would add at any particular position

Too much bullschidt to read through. Really, who gives a phauck about this schidt? WHy not post about the Porno HOF? That would be interesting.

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

Too much bullschidt to read through. Really, who gives a phauck about this schidt? WHy not post about the Porno HOF? That would be interesting.

Or how about the dickhead Hall of Fame you would be at the head of the line for induction

Ghoolie

@the-gipper said:

Or how about the dickhead Hall of Fame you would be at the head of the line for induction

That's the first intelligent thing you have said this week.

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

That's the first intelligent thing you have said this week.

We are still waiting for your first intelligent thing this weekWe are still waiting for your first intelligent thing this week

mjp28

@dutch-oven said:

That blows my mind too... Like I feel it almost has to be a typo?

That's it one fumble recovery including the playoffs from pro football reference. Junior Seau already in the HOF:

	Games	Def Interceptions	Fumbles		Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career				268	243	18	238	0	42	23	11	1	18	66	1	56.5		1522	324				187
13 yrs	SDG			200	199	15	210	0	42	13	11	1	16	66	1	47.0		1286	192				160
4 yrs	NWE			38	16	3	28	0	23	5	0	0	1	0	0	4.5		121	58				12
1990	21	SDG	RILB	55	16	15											1.0	85	85	0				7
1991*	22	SDG	RILB	55	16	16											7.0	129	129	0				9
1992*+	23	SDG	RLB	55	15	15	2	51	0	29	0	1	0	1	10	0	4.5	102	102	0				16
1993*+	24	SDG	RLB	55	16	16	2	58	0	42	0	1	0	1	21	0		129	129	0				15
1994*+	25	SDG	RLB	55	16	16						1	0	3	0	0	5.5	155	124	31				15
1995*	26	SDG	RLB	55	16	16	2	5	0	3	0	1	0	3	30	1	2.0	130	111	19				14
1996*+	27	SDG	RLB	55	15	15	2	18	0	10	0	1	0	3	0	0	7.0	138	110	28				14
1997*	28	SDG	RLB	55	15	15	2	33	0	26	0	1	1	2	5	0	7.0	97	84	13				11
1998*+	29	SDG	RLB	55	16	16						1	0	2	0	0	3.5	115	92	23				17
1999*	30	SDG	LB	55	14	14	1	16	0	16	0	1	0	1	0	0	3.5	99	75	24	13	3		12
2000*+	31	SDG	lb	55	16	16	2	2	0	2	0	1	0	0	0	0	3.5	122	103	19	15	4		12
2001*	32	SDG	LB	55	16	16	1	2	0	2	6	1	0	0	0	0	1.0	94	83	11	9	1		10
2002*	33	SDG	LB/rolb	55	13	13	1	25	0	25	7	1	0	0	0	0	1.5	83	59	24	11	2		8
2003	34	MIA	LB	55	15	15	0	0	0	0	3						3.0	96	66	30	12	2		8
2004	35	MIA	LB	55	8	8	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1.0	57	31	26	5	0		5
2005	36	MIA	lb	55	7	5	0	0	0	0	1						1.0	36	18	18	1	0		2
2006	37	NWE	LB/mlb	55	11	10	0	0	0	0	1						1.0	69	39	30	5	4		6
2007	38	NWE	lb	55	16	4	3	28	0	23	4						3.5	74	58	16	9	6		4
2008	39	NWE	lb	55	4	2												22	15	7				1
2009	40	NWE		55	7	0						0	0	1	0	0		14	9	5	0	1		1

Clay Matthews Jr. bio still waiting:

	Games	Def Interceptions	Fumbles		Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career				278	248	16	206	1	36	0	27	1	14	29	1	69.5		1561	34				137
16 yrs	CLE			232	216	14	205	1	36	0	24	1	13	29	1	62.0		1430	0				124
1978	22	CLE	lb	57	15	2	1	5	0	5	0							34	34	0				1
1979	23	CLE	RLB/rolb	57	16	16	1	30	0	30	0		0	2	0	0		103	103	0				6
1980	24	CLE	ROLB	57	14	13	1	6	0	6	0		0	1	0	0		83	83	0				6
1981	25	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16	2	14	0	8	0		0	2	16	0		128	128	0				8
1982	26	CLE	lb	57	2	1												11	11	0				1
1983	27	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16						4	0	0	0	0	6.0	106	106	0				7
1984	28	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16						3	0	1	0	0	12.0	126	126	0				13
1985*	29	CLE	ROLB	57	14	14						1	0	1	15	0	6.0	88	88	0				10
1986	30	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16	2	12	0	8	0	2	0	0	0	0	1.0	89	89	0				7
1987*	31	CLE	ROLB	57	12	12	3	62	1	36	0		0	2	0	0	2.5	72	72	0				13
1988*	32	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16							0	2	0	0	6.0	101	101	0				11
1989*	33	CLE	LLB	57	16	16	1	25	0	25	0	3	1	2	-2	1	4.0	113	113	0				13
1990	34	CLE	LLB	57	16	16						3	0	0	0	0	3.5	102	102	0				5
1991	35	CLE	RLB	57	15	15	1	35	0	35	0	3	0	0	0	0	6.5	80	80	0				7
1992	36	CLE	RLB	57	16	16	1	6	0	6	0	3	0	0	0	0	9.0	111	111	0				8
1993	37	CLE	RLB	57	16	15	1	10	0	10	0	2	0	0	0	0	5.5	83	83	0				8
1994	38	ATL	LLB	57	15	15											1.0	90	71	19				5
1995	39	ATL	LLB	57	16	16	2	1	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0		63	49	14				7
1996	40	ATL	lb	57	15	1						3	0	0	0	0	6.5	12	11	1				1

mjp28

Nearly identical career numbers? Maybe Junior getting some sympathy votes for his tragic death?

It does show how subjective any voted in awards can be at times.

Dutch Oven

@mjp28 said:

Nearly identical career numbers? Maybe Junior getting some sympathy votes for his tragic death?

It does show how subjective any voted in awards can be at times.

Matthews played OLB, Seau played ILB, right?

Zombo

@mjp28 said:

That's it one fumble recovery including the playoffs from pro football reference. Junior Seau already in the HOF:

Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV

Career 268 243 18 238 0 42 23 11 1 18 66 1 56.5 1522 324 187

13 yrs SDG 200 199 15 210 0 42 13 11 1 16 66 1 47.0 1286 192 160

4 yrs NWE 38 16 3 28 0 23 5 0 0 1 0 0 4.5 121 58 12

1990 21 SDG RILB 55 16 15 1.0 85 85 0 7

1991* 22 SDG RILB 55 16 16 7.0 129 129 0 9

1992*+ 23 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 51 0 29 0 1 0 1 10 0 4.5 102 102 0 16

1993*+ 24 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 58 0 42 0 1 0 1 21 0 129 129 0 15

1994*+ 25 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 3 0 0 5.5 155 124 31 15

1995* 26 SDG RLB 55 16 16 2 5 0 3 0 1 0 3 30 1 2.0 130 111 19 14

1996*+ 27 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 18 0 10 0 1 0 3 0 0 7.0 138 110 28 14

1997* 28 SDG RLB 55 15 15 2 33 0 26 0 1 1 2 5 0 7.0 97 84 13 11

1998*+ 29 SDG RLB 55 16 16 1 0 2 0 0 3.5 115 92 23 17

1999* 30 SDG LB 55 14 14 1 16 0 16 0 1 0 1 0 0 3.5 99 75 24 13 3 12

2000*+ 31 SDG lb 55 16 16 2 2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 3.5 122 103 19 15 4 12

2001* 32 SDG LB 55 16 16 1 2 0 2 6 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 94 83 11 9 1 10

2002* 33 SDG LB/rolb 55 13 13 1 25 0 25 7 1 0 0 0 0 1.5 83 59 24 11 2 8

2003 34 MIA LB 55 15 15 0 0 0 0 3 3.0 96 66 30 12 2 8

2004 35 MIA LB 55 8 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 57 31 26 5 0 5

2005 36 MIA lb 55 7 5 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 36 18 18 1 0 2

2006 37 NWE LB/mlb 55 11 10 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 69 39 30 5 4 6

2007 38 NWE lb 55 16 4 3 28 0 23 4 3.5 74 58 16 9 6 4

2008 39 NWE lb 55 4 2 22 15 7 1

2009 40 NWE 55 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 14 9 5 0 1 1

Clay Matthews Jr. bio still waiting:

Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV

Career 278 248 16 206 1 36 0 27 1 14 29 1 69.5 1561 34 137

16 yrs CLE 232 216 14 205 1 36 0 24 1 13 29 1 62.0 1430 0 124

1978 22 CLE lb 57 15 2 1 5 0 5 0 34 34 0 1

1979 23 CLE RLB/rolb 57 16 16 1 30 0 30 0 0 2 0 0 103 103 0 6

1980 24 CLE ROLB 57 14 13 1 6 0 6 0 0 1 0 0 83 83 0 6

1981 25 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 14 0 8 0 0 2 16 0 128 128 0 8

1982 26 CLE lb 57 2 1 11 11 0 1

1983 27 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 4 0 0 0 0 6.0 106 106 0 7

1984 28 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 3 0 1 0 0 12.0 126 126 0 13

1985* 29 CLE ROLB 57 14 14 1 0 1 15 0 6.0 88 88 0 10

1986 30 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 2 12 0 8 0 2 0 0 0 0 1.0 89 89 0 7

1987* 31 CLE ROLB 57 12 12 3 62 1 36 0 0 2 0 0 2.5 72 72 0 13

1988* 32 CLE ROLB 57 16 16 0 2 0 0 6.0 101 101 0 11

1989* 33 CLE LLB 57 16 16 1 25 0 25 0 3 1 2 -2 1 4.0 113 113 0 13

1990 34 CLE LLB 57 16 16 3 0 0 0 0 3.5 102 102 0 5

1991 35 CLE RLB 57 15 15 1 35 0 35 0 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 80 80 0 7

1992 36 CLE RLB 57 16 16 1 6 0 6 0 3 0 0 0 0 9.0 111 111 0 8

1993 37 CLE RLB 57 16 15 1 10 0 10 0 2 0 0 0 0 5.5 83 83 0 8

1994 38 ATL LLB 57 15 15 1.0 90 71 19 5

1995 39 ATL LLB 57 16 16 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 63 49 14 7

1996 40 ATL lb 57 15 1 3 0 0 0 0 6.5 12 11 1 1

Looks to me like Seau had 18 fumble recoveries, and the meme, made by a girl, is wrong.

mjp28

Zombo said:

Looks to me like Seau had 18 fumble recoveries, and the meme, made by a girl, is wrong.

Yes there appears to be something screwy with the numbers or the meme was done by a Matthews' family friend.

Still the real numbers are nearly identical.

mjp28

@dutch-oven said:

Matthews played OLB, Seau played ILB, right?

For most of their careers yes......and numbers can be influenced by teams, schemes, who's next to you all of that. The specific numbers are just a guide.

Still i think the body of work on both are close enough to seriously consider Clay anytime now.

Furious Styles

Ken "the Rattler" Riley. Cornerback

Former FL A&M Quarterback

65 interceptions. 5th best ALL TIME .

5 Touchdowns.

flyingfooldoug

Frank Minnifield?

Hanford Dixon?

Bob Golic?

M D Perry?