A Case For Hue
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I just overall get burnt out on the Hue hate. I prefer to focus on the fact we were 1-31 and now are 2-2-1 , lead the league in many categories, are nationally relevant and make for damn exciting Sunday’s
I know i'm going to regret asking this. But how exactly did Hue and his decisions cost us the Saints game? I realize the hindsight kings are saying he should've gone for it on 4th down after the bad overturn against the Raiders but for the life of me, I can't figure out what Hue had to do with the Saints game?
We just have to understand that there are some folks on this board who are going to blame Hue for every loss & refuse to give him credit after any win. Sad but true.
Mike
We just have to understand that there are some folks on this board who are going to blame Hue for every loss & refuse to give him credit after any win. Sad but true.
Mike
And there are some folks who can't see the forest for the trees.
Does anyone have ANY idea why the Browns are better this year? HINT: It's NOT because of Hue.
1) John Dorsey! He traded for talent...because NO talent was gonna come here on their own. - WITH that talent in hand he was able to entice FA's. And then he made some good draft picks and signed some pretty good undrafted's.
2) Baker Mayfield! I was watching (like most of us) how friggin' lousy our team was on that Thursday night football game against the Jets. I told Mrs. Wife, "We're not gonna win a single game again this year." Offense couldn't stay on the field, defense had to play the game. THEN!!!!!!!!!!! Tyrod got hurt and Baker entered the game......and all of a sudden, we had a football team!
Dorsey upgraded our talent level and got us a QB. Hue? Well, he continues to be Hue...and as Rutigliano likes to say, "Hue continues to say the wrong thing at the right times."
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I just overall get burnt out on the Hue hate. I prefer to focus on the fact we were 1-31 and now are 2-2-1 , lead the league in many categories, are nationally relevant and make for damn exciting Sunday’s
I know i'm going to regret asking this. But how exactly did Hue and his decisions cost us the Saints game? I realize the hindsight kings are saying he should've gone for it on 4th down after the bad overturn against the Raiders but for the life of me, I can't figure out what Hue had to do with the Saints game?
We just have to understand that there are some folks on this board who are going to blame Hue for every loss & refuse to give him credit after any win. Sad but true.
Mike
We just have to understand that there are some folks on this board who are going to blame Hue for every loss & refuse to give him credit after any win. Sad but true.
Mike
I am content keeping the blame on Hue only on the global warming and the war in Syria.
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Hmm must have missed that episode, then again I watched them all. Haley is calling the plays
You missed the scene where Hue tells the co-ordinators he can do whatever he wants because he’s the HC?
No HC is unaware of a play call at that stage of the game. If he is, what’s the use of having one at all
You missed the scene where Hue tells the co-ordinators he can do whatever he wants because he’s the HC?
No HC is unaware of a play call at that stage of the game. If he is, what’s the use of having one at all
It's not as if Hue never made a WTF call in the past two seasons.
He might have liked the reverse call... Hell... It's even possible that Hue made the call.
He said he wouldn't go for it on 4th down, didn't even give it a second thought- to end the game in regulation. Even if you miss getting it in that situation the Defense gets a short field to hold them to just a FG or allow the quick score and 2pt to try, giving you a chance with time still on the clock.
Then ONE week later in overtime, he goes for it on 4th and 7 or whatever it was...
Which is exactly backwards from the traditional "common wisdom" which says that go for the win on the road and play for OT at home.
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We just have to understand that there are some folks on this board who are going to blame Hue for every loss & refuse to give him credit after any win. Sad but true.
Mike
And there are some folks who can't see the forest for the trees.
Does anyone have ANY idea why the Browns are better this year? HINT: It's NOT because of Hue.
1) John Dorsey! He traded for talent...because NO talent was gonna come here on their own. - WITH that talent in hand he was able to entice FA's. And then he made some good draft picks and signed some pretty good undrafted's.
2) Baker Mayfield! I was watching (like most of us) how friggin' lousy our team was on that Thursday night football game against the Jets. I told Mrs. Wife, "We're not gonna win a single game again this year." Offense couldn't stay on the field, defense had to play the game. THEN!!!!!!!!!!! Tyrod got hurt and Baker entered the game......and all of a sudden, we had a football team!
Dorsey upgraded our talent level and got us a QB. Hue? Well, he continues to be Hue...and as Rutigliano likes to say, "Hue continues to say the wrong thing at the right times."
And there are some folks who can't see the forest for the trees.
Does anyone have ANY idea why the Browns are better this year? HINT: It's NOT because of Hue.
1) John Dorsey! He traded for talent...because NO talent was gonna come here on their own. - WITH that talent in hand he was able to entice FA's. And then he made some good draft picks and signed some pretty good undrafted's.
2) Baker Mayfield! I was watching (like most of us) how friggin' lousy our team was on that Thursday night football game against the Jets. I told Mrs. Wife, "We're not gonna win a single game again this year." Offense couldn't stay on the field, defense had to play the game. THEN!!!!!!!!!!! Tyrod got hurt and Baker entered the game......and all of a sudden, we had a football team!
Dorsey upgraded our talent level and got us a QB. Hue? Well, he continues to be Hue...and as Rutigliano likes to say, "Hue continues to say the wrong thing at the right times."
Yes talent was upgraded by design and support of ownership after th most aggressive 2 year roster tear down in history. Haslams have admitted it was to aggressive and gave the team no chance to succeed. That’s not on Hue. If he flops with a talented roster then you can hang it on him. Right now we are 2-2-1, we are winning games and are nationally relevant.
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And there are some folks who can't see the forest for the trees.
Does anyone have ANY idea why the Browns are better this year? HINT: It's NOT because of Hue.
1) John Dorsey! He traded for talent...because NO talent was gonna come here on their own. - WITH that talent in hand he was able to entice FA's. And then he made some good draft picks and signed some pretty good undrafted's.
2) Baker Mayfield! I was watching (like most of us) how friggin' lousy our team was on that Thursday night football game against the Jets. I told Mrs. Wife, "We're not gonna win a single game again this year." Offense couldn't stay on the field, defense had to play the game. THEN!!!!!!!!!!! Tyrod got hurt and Baker entered the game......and all of a sudden, we had a football team!
Dorsey upgraded our talent level and got us a QB. Hue? Well, he continues to be Hue...and as Rutigliano likes to say, "Hue continues to say the wrong thing at the right times."
Yes talent was upgraded by design and support of ownership after th most aggressive 2 year roster tear down in history. Haslams have admitted it was to aggressive and gave the team no chance to succeed. That’s not on Hue. If he flops with a talented roster then you can hang it on him. Right now we are 2-2-1, we are winning games and are nationally relevant.
Yes talent was upgraded by design and support of ownership after th most aggressive 2 year roster tear down in history. Haslams have admitted it was to aggressive and gave the team no chance to succeed. That’s not on Hue. Agreed. That was Sashi and his henchmen thinking that the team couldn't be made any worse...so they let what few good players we had leave.
If he flops with a talented roster then you can hang it on him. Right now we are 2-2-1, we are winning games and are nationally relevant.
We COULD have 3 wins and 1 loss if he did the QB sneak needing a few inches against the Raiders. And perhaps could've STOLE the win without even snapping the ball had he had the team MAKE LIKE they were gonna sneak it.
Even though Sashi trashed the roster...a better coach could've gotten more than 1 freakin' win in two full seasons. ----- In 2016 we had the ball 1st and goal at the Steelers one yard line, in OT.....and instead of PLAYING FOOTBALL and smashing the thing in for the win, he lost us the game. He is not the reason that our talent is better. Trust me on this one. Oh wait, that's one of HIS lines.
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You missed the scene where Hue tells the co-ordinators he can do whatever he wants because he’s the HC?
No HC is unaware of a play call at that stage of the game. If he is, what’s the use of having one at all
It's not as if Hue never made a WTF call in the past two seasons.
He might have liked the reverse call... Hell... It's even possible that Hue made the call.
He said he wouldn't go for it on 4th down, didn't even give it a second thought- to end the game in regulation. Even if you miss getting it in that situation the Defense gets a short field to hold them to just a FG or allow the quick score and 2pt to try, giving you a chance with time still on the clock.
Then ONE week later in overtime, he goes for it on 4th and 7 or whatever it was...
Which is exactly backwards from the traditional "common wisdom" which says that go for the win on the road and play for OT at home.
It's not as if Hue never made a WTF call in the past two seasons.
He might have liked the reverse call... Hell... It's even possible that Hue made the call.
Which is exactly backwards from the traditional "common wisdom" which says that go for the win on the road and play for OT at home.
Yeah Tour- going for it (I believe it was 4th and five) near midfield could easily have blown up in his face. the Ravens have one of the best long range kickers in the league...
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There is no chance a HC is letting a call be made at that stage without any input. Hard Knocks told us quite clearly that Hue makes all the calls.
There is no chance a HC is letting a call be made at that stage without any input. Hard Knocks told us quite clearly that Hue makes all the calls.
With all due respect to your accurate post, I made the point LONG, LONG, LONG ago that the OC and Dc are nothing more than coffee fetchers. I was arguing with Hoorta the Hoola Hoop, and frilly Pants FLugels for years that only an idiot would believe that ANY head coach is going to just sit back and let assistants determine his fortune and reputation.
It isn't just Hue, though. EVERY HEAD COACH calls the shots. It can be no other way. If reality was as Hoola Hoop and Frilly think it is, why The Fukck would a team even need a head coach? Why pay a HC $ millions if the coordinators are calling the shots? Flugel maintained that Crennell was the genius behind Belichik and Sewage the genius behind Ozzie..........Fukcking idiots
He is how it works. The OC creates a playbook. The HC tells him what type of offense he is allowed to run, he removes the plays from the playbook he doesn't want and he tells the OC what options of plays he has to call given various situations. The OC doesn't waiver, create, invent or come up with clever tricks on the spot. He answers to the HC.
As far as Hue's job goes? As goes Baker, so too will go Hue.
The QB makes the OL, the receivers, the defense, AND the HC.
50% of NFL playbooks consist of Paul brown plays. The remaining 50% are plays that all the assistants who change teams constantly shared with all 32 teams. There is not much innovation and novelty in any NFL playbook. The daring, risk and boldness in which plays are called has everything to do with the QB, and how much the HC tursts the QB to rip it up.
Without Favre Holmgren was the Quaker Oats spokesman. WIthout Bradshaw, Noll was pedestrian. Hue got lucky. Baker saved the Browns and he saved Hue. Boom
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There is no chance a HC is letting a call be made at that stage without any input. Hard Knocks told us quite clearly that Hue makes all the calls.
With all due respect to your accurate post, I made the point LONG, LONG, LONG ago that the OC and Dc are nothing more than coffee fetchers. I was arguing with Hoorta the Hoola Hoop, and frilly Pants FLugels for years that only an idiot would believe that ANY head coach is going to just sit back and let assistants determine his fortune and reputation.
It isn't just Hue, though. EVERY HEAD COACH calls the shots. It can be no other way. If reality was as Hoola Hoop and Frilly think it is, why The Fukck would a team even need a head coach? Why pay a HC $ millions if the coordinators are calling the shots? Flugel maintained that Crennell was the genius behind Belichik and Sewage the genius behind Ozzie..........Fukcking idiots
He is how it works. The OC creates a playbook. The HC tells him what type of offense he is allowed to run, he removes the plays from the playbook he doesn't want and he tells the OC what options of plays he has to call given various situations. The OC doesn't waiver, create, invent or come up with clever tricks on the spot. He answers to the HC.
As far as Hue's job goes? As goes Baker, so too will go Hue.
The QB makes the OL, the receivers, the defense, AND the HC.
50% of NFL playbooks consist of Paul brown plays. The remaining 50% are plays that all the assistants who change teams constantly shared with all 32 teams. There is not much innovation and novelty in any NFL playbook. The daring, risk and boldness in which plays are called has everything to do with the QB, and how much the HC tursts the QB to rip it up.
Without Favre Holmgren was the Quaker Oats spokesman. WIthout Bradshaw, Noll was pedestrian. Hue got lucky. Baker saved the Browns and he saved Hue. Boom
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It's not as if Hue never made a WTF call in the past two seasons.
He might have liked the reverse call... Hell... It's even possible that Hue made the call.
Which is exactly backwards from the traditional "common wisdom" which says that go for the win on the road and play for OT at home.
Yeah Tour- going for it (I believe it was 4th and five) near midfield could easily have blown up in his face. the Ravens have one of the best long range kickers in the league...
Yeah Tour- going for it (I believe it was 4th and five) near midfield could easily have blown up in his face. the Ravens have one of the best long range kickers in the league...
He didn't want another tie, he wanted to go down swinging not be in a lose or tie situation if we punted. He took a swing. And then our defense had a three and out for all times, and the rest was history. Just enjoying being on top of one of these games for once.
Zombo
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Yeah Tour- going for it (I believe it was 4th and five) near midfield could easily have blown up in his face. the Ravens have one of the best long range kickers in the league...
He didn't want another tie, he wanted to go down swinging not be in a lose or tie situation if we punted. He took a swing. And then our defense had a three and out for all times, and the rest was history. Just enjoying being on top of one of these games for once.
Zombo
Zombo said:
He didn't want another tie, he wanted to go down swinging not be in a lose or tie situation if we punted. He took a swing. And then our defense had a three and out for all times, and the rest was history. Just enjoying being on top of one of these games for once.
Zombo
As the leading naysayer, I can tell you, your enjoyment is not going to end at 2-2-1. Baker makes this team the schidt. The Chargers will get punked.
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Zombo said:
He didn't want another tie, he wanted to go down swinging not be in a lose or tie situation if we punted. He took a swing. And then our defense had a three and out for all times, and the rest was history. Just enjoying being on top of one of these games for once.
Zombo
As the leading naysayer, I can tell you, your enjoyment is not going to end at 2-2-1. Baker makes this team the schidt. The Chargers will get punked.
Baker makes this team the schidt. The Chargers will get punked.
How are the Giants doin' with that RB you wanted us to draft instead of Baker?
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Pretty good. They need a QB
Since when is 1-5 Pretty Good?
We're only contending in football games now because Dorsey did not do what you wanted us to do. (take Barkley and 'accept' whichever QB fell to #4 - And I kept saying NO, take the best QB and don't let anyone else tell you which one you can have)
As you said, Hue goes as Baker goes. And the Browns go as Baker goes. (the Giants don't Go as Barkley Goes)
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Now, because we couldn't kick FG's....and because Hue let the Raiders control the game at the end....we're in must win situations if we want to qualify for the playoffs. The Chargers are direct competition for a playoff spot that we want. We've gotta win this game. (the goal is playoffs, until it's out of reach)
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Pretty good. They need a QB
Since when is 1-5 Pretty Good?
We're only contending in football games now because Dorsey did not do what you wanted us to do. (take Barkley and 'accept' whichever QB fell to #4 - And I kept saying NO, take the best QB and don't let anyone else tell you which one you can have)
As you said, Hue goes as Baker goes. And the Browns go as Baker goes. (the Giants don't Go as Barkley Goes)
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Now, because we couldn't kick FG's....and because Hue let the Raiders control the game at the end....we're in must win situations if we want to qualify for the playoffs. The Chargers are direct competition for a playoff spot that we want. We've gotta win this game. (the goal is playoffs, until it's out of reach)
Since when is 1-5 Pretty Good?
We're only contending in football games now because Dorsey did not do what you wanted us to do. (take Barkley and 'accept' whichever QB fell to #4 - And I kept saying NO, take the best QB and don't let anyone else tell you which one you can have)
As you said, Hue goes as Baker goes. And the Browns go as Baker goes. (the Giants don't Go as Barkley Goes)
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Now, because we couldn't kick FG's....and because Hue let the Raiders control the game at the end....we're in must win situations if we want to qualify for the playoffs. The Chargers are direct competition for a playoff spot that we want. We've gotta win this game. (the goal is playoffs, until it's out of reach)
Barkley was the best player in the draft. The Browns would have done well to draft him. The guy is in a league of his own. Manning is the problem in NY. Every team has to rebuild at some point. They made a great choice.
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Since when is 1-5 Pretty Good?
We're only contending in football games now because Dorsey did not do what you wanted us to do. (take Barkley and 'accept' whichever QB fell to #4 - And I kept saying NO, take the best QB and don't let anyone else tell you which one you can have)
As you said, Hue goes as Baker goes. And the Browns go as Baker goes. (the Giants don't Go as Barkley Goes)
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Now, because we couldn't kick FG's....and because Hue let the Raiders control the game at the end....we're in must win situations if we want to qualify for the playoffs. The Chargers are direct competition for a playoff spot that we want. We've gotta win this game. (the goal is playoffs, until it's out of reach)
Barkley was the best player in the draft. The Browns would have done well to draft him. The guy is in a league of his own. Manning is the problem in NY. Every team has to rebuild at some point. They made a great choice.
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He gets 200 yards and they lost by around 20 points.
Any GM that takes a running back in the top five picks should be immediately fired
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How are the Giants doin' with that RB you wanted us to draft instead of Baker?
Don't worry, I brought that up in another thread....
Pretty good. They need a QB
ROTFL, if you consider 1-5 as "pretty good". The Giants suck, and I'll bet you $20 bucks right now they'll be in the bottom 5 when the power rankings come out next Tuesday. As Gipper would say- thanks for contradicting yourself. They (the Giants) needed Sam Darnold far more than they needed Barkley. Their GM will get fired if he doesn't get a top qb in the top 5 picks next year (which is where they're going to be drafting) with your game changer Saquon. Told ya- Eli is washed up, they were drafting #2, they had their pick of his replacement with the QB we don't take, and they take a freaking running back. As bad as the Browns passing on Carson Wentz. Just watch.
He gets 200 yards and they lost by around 20 points.
Any GM that takes a running back in the top five picks should be immediately fired
We took Trent Richardson, and somebody did get fired. So Mr. Ghoolie- wasn't exactly Rocket Science Barkley was the best running back coming out since Adrian Peterson. I even grudgingly admitted so. Adrian ever win a Super Bowl? It might have been more tolerable if a certain guy (not you) was posting daily that Saquon was the only option, at the expense of drafting a franchise qb first. FWIW, based on some of Haley's comments- I think the Browns would probably have taken Ward over Barkley even if Saquon had fallen down to #4, which just might have happened.
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He gets 200 yards and they lost by around 20 points.
Any GM that takes a running back in the top five picks should be immediately fired
He gets 200 yards and they lost by around 20 points.
Any GM that takes a running back in the top five picks should be immediately fired
I dunno... the kid looked awesome last nite. Made the most electric run under 10 yards since JB swept left vs da 'Boys for a TD over 50 years ago.
NYG's biggest issue is their OL. Terrible pass blocking and only slightly better run blocking, which makes Saquon's numbers all the more impressive.
I guess they inked the wrong five fat-a$$es...
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He gets 200 yards and they lost by around 20 points.
Any GM that takes a running back in the top five picks should be immediately fired
I dunno... the kid looked awesome last nite. Made the most electric run under 10 yards since JB swept left vs da 'Boys for a TD over 50 years ago.
NYG's biggest issue is their OL. Terrible pass blocking and only slightly better run blocking, which makes Saquon's numbers all the more impressive.
I guess they inked the wrong five fat-a$$es...
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Left...
I watched that JB run live and was slack-jawed...
Different than the Barkley run last nite, but remarkable in its own way...
Back then Bark's run last nite would have drawn at least three flags. Back in the day "hurdling" was illegal. I've no idea when the rule was rescinded.
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You Rang! Which one are you speaking of? L Or R?
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