Jarvis Landry
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Fitzgerald isnt going to leave ARI. He seems like a great guy and wouldn't want to leave the only team he has played for. Certainly not for a team that isnt a true contender
Larry is the face of AZ. I couldn't see us wanting to take his contact. Can you?
Amari Cooper is a possibility, but he's so streaky it's crazy.
Larry is the face of AZ. I couldn't see us wanting to take his contact. Can you?
Amari Cooper is a possibility, but he's so streaky it's crazy.
Dont think Larry would want to go, Arizona would want him to go, or Cleveland even try.
Maybe a team like Dallas, New England, etc may try, but I doubt it would happen. Bad PR for Arizona to get rid of him for minimal comp.
Cleveland just isnt a big contender now, even had they won today
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He was double teamed. Still though, you expect calloway to catch the dang ball sometime? You expect Duke Johnson to get the ball more, but no, instead we threw to Ratley, an unproven rookie.
He was double teamed. Still though, you expect calloway to catch the dang ball sometime? You expect Duke Johnson to get the ball more, but no, instead we threw to Ratley, an unproven rookie.
At least Ratley made some plays. I think he caught 6-8 targets. That's basically head and shoulders above anyone else. Not sure if he could've caught that flea flicker, I'll need to see it again, but it was close. Honestly, I just don't know who will make the amazing plays for OUR team when we need them. Every week, or just about, there are incredible plays made by elite players. Who is going to do that for us?
It's just sad because at one time I thought we had some of the best receivers in the league.
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He was double teamed. Still though, you expect calloway to catch the dang ball sometime? You expect Duke Johnson to get the ball more, but no, instead we threw to Ratley, an unproven rookie.
At least Ratley made some plays. I think he caught 6-8 targets. That's basically head and shoulders above anyone else. Not sure if he could've caught that flea flicker, I'll need to see it again, but it was close. Honestly, I just don't know who will make the amazing plays for OUR team when we need them. Every week, or just about, there are incredible plays made by elite players. Who is going to do that for us?
It's just sad because at one time I thought we had some of the best receivers in the league.
At least Ratley made some plays. I think he caught 6-8 targets. That's basically head and shoulders above anyone else. Not sure if he could've caught that flea flicker, I'll need to see it again, but it was close. Honestly, I just don't know who will make the amazing plays for OUR team when we need them. Every week, or just about, there are incredible plays made by elite players. Who is going to do that for us?
Well it won’t be Landry. Yet that’s what we are paying him to be.
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Jarvis is too emotional at times, He's more boom or bust like Desean Jackson for the Bucs, but we really need a strong WR2 in order for Landry to be effective.
Landry, Josh Gordon, and Higgins were a good tandem, but Gordon was unreliable, and Higgins is currently shaken up. We need to trade and get a strong WR2.
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Jarvis is too emotional at times, He's more boom or bust like Desean Jackson for the Bucs, but we really need a strong WR2 in order for Landry to be effective.
Landry, Josh Gordon, and Higgins were a good tandem, but Gordon was unreliable, and Higgins is currently shaken up. We need to trade and get a strong WR2.
Jarvis is too emotional at times, He's more boom or bust like Desean Jackson for the Bucs, but we really need a strong WR2 in order for Landry to be effective.
Landry, Josh Gordon, and Higgins were a good tandem, but Gordon was unreliable, and Higgins is currently shaken up. We need to trade and get a strong WR2.
I think the problem long term is that Landry IS the WR2, and what the Browns need is WR1.
And before any delusional posters say it, no, Gordon was NEVER going to be that guy for the Browns.
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We need another WR to make our $15m WR any good ????
BS and then some.
Landry is what he was. A slot receiver not a #1 or a #2. He’s been vastly overpaid and just hope we can get out of it after year one or two relatively unscathed.
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We need another WR to make our $15m WR any good ????
BS and then some.
Landry is what he was. A slot receiver not a #1 or a #2. He’s been vastly overpaid and just hope we can get out of it after year one or two relatively unscathed.
We need another WR to make our $15m WR any good ????
BS and then some.
Landry is what he was. A slot receiver not a #1 or a #2. He’s been vastly overpaid and just hope we can get out of it after year one or two relatively unscathed.
Could be worse.
Could have used a first rounder on a bust like Corey Coleman.
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Landry is currently our only REAL receiver.
If YOU were our opposing defensive coordinator, who would YOU try and take out of the game with coverage? Rookie Ratley? Rookie, dropsie, Callaway?
How many dropped passes did Baker have? How many dropped TD's?
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Jarvis is too emotional at times, He's more boom or bust like Desean Jackson for the Bucs, but we really need a strong WR2 in order for Landry to be effective.
Landry, Josh Gordon, and Higgins were a good tandem, but Gordon was unreliable, and Higgins is currently shaken up. We need to trade and get a strong WR2.
I think the problem long term is that Landry IS the WR2, and what the Browns need is WR1.
And before any delusional posters say it, no, Gordon was NEVER going to be that guy for the Browns.
I think the problem long term is that Landry IS the WR2, and what the Browns need is WR1.
And before any delusional posters say it, no, Gordon was NEVER going to be that guy for the Browns.
I'm your delusional poster! Lol
I know what you're saying about Gordon, and I have very little doubt that he'll be suspended at some point this season and be gone, but here's the thing....he's not suspended yet! We could've had him for the last two games. Look at what Gordon did last night, and you'll notice he didn't do anything spectacular. But what the stats don't tell you is that he drew a 40 yard pass interference penalty in the end zone because he beat his defender and Tom threw a perfect ball. Then Gordon drew another defensive holding penalty in the end zone because he was going to beat his man badly again to the inside. Both of these possessions resulted in easy TDs.
Now let me ask you this: Does Josh Gordon catch the flea flicker? Does he catch the other bomb that Callaway couldn't get? Obviously there's no way to know, but I'm guessing he he gets them both.
I'm not a Hue Jackson hater. I've never said to fire him or anything like that. However, the decision to let Gordon go was purely his call. He was irate with the Gordon injury, and he basically unilaterally decided to move on from him. John Dorsey had his back, which is when we changed our tune and said that we'd instead trade him. Let me ask you another question: If Josh Gordon is such bad news, why would the Patriots want him?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I didn't like letting Gordon go week 2, and I don't like it now. ESPECIALLY since we have a rookie QB playing who absolutely needs people to throw to. Getting Higgins back will help, but we all know that's not enough. How many drops has Callaway had? Btw, Callaway plays Gordon's position. You think Gordon is bouncing that perfectly thrown deep square-in toss that Callaway did yesterday?
#1 WRs aren't easy to find, and Gordon is definitely one of them. Even if we only had him for half the season or however long he lasts this year.
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Jesus Shmucking Christ.
Josh Gordon came up with a fake hamstring injury to get out of playing for the Browns, after years upon years of sabotaging his career.
I seriously wonder about some of you. Absolutely delusional.
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Jesus Shmucking Christ.
Josh Gordon came up with a fake hamstring injury to get out of playing for the Browns, after years upon years of sabotaging his career.
I seriously wonder about some of you. Absolutely delusional.
Jesus Shmucking Christ.
Josh Gordon came up with a fake hamstring injury to get out of playing for the Browns, after years upon years of sabotaging his career.
I seriously wonder about some of you. Absolutely delusional.
JG has been on limited practice with that hammy ever since with NE and just for the record, even Brady could not get him to catch long passes thrown his way last night. He wasted the best years of his playing career and is fast approaching "has been" status with BB. Passes he used to just take away from people were getting knocked away or stripped through his fumbling hands if you watched the game last night.
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This offense has no identity or plan. They’re just calling plays.
That's what pissed me off the most..... times where Toad could establish our identity as a tough butt team, he goes all cute. He asks the rookie QB to do the stuff a 10yr all pro vet does. Head scratching to say the least.
If I (just an average fan) don't know what our identity is, then how the hell do the players?
That's what pissed me off the most..... times where Toad could establish our identity as a tough butt team, he goes all cute. He asks the rookie QB to do the stuff a 10yr all pro vet does. Head scratching to say the least.
Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here...
They double covered Landry a LOT, because they didn't have to worry about HIggins.
I think the problem long term is that Landry IS the WR2, and what the Browns need is WR1.
And before any delusional posters say it, no, Gordon was NEVER going to be that guy for the Browns.
Gordon was that guy... will he be it again? If he will be, then he has not shown it as yet. And, yes, Phoolie, I watched the SNF game.
As for Landry... he's a WR 1.5 at best. He's a great possession guy, and I am glad he is on the team, but he, and we, missd Higgins yesterday... badly.
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That's what pissed me off the most..... times where Toad could establish our identity as a tough butt team, he goes all cute. He asks the rookie QB to do the stuff a 10yr all pro vet does. Head scratching to say the least.
Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here...
They double covered Landry a LOT, because they didn't have to worry about HIggins.
I think the problem long term is that Landry IS the WR2, and what the Browns need is WR1.
And before any delusional posters say it, no, Gordon was NEVER going to be that guy for the Browns.
Gordon was that guy... will he be it again? If he will be, then he has not shown it as yet. And, yes, Phoolie, I watched the SNF game.
As for Landry... he's a WR 1.5 at best. He's a great possession guy, and I am glad he is on the team, but he, and we, missd Higgins yesterday... badly.
Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here...
Gordon was that guy... will he be it again? If he will be, then he has not shown it as yet. And, yes, Phoolie, I watched the SNF game.
As for Landry... he's a WR 1.5 at best. He's a great possession guy, and I am glad he is on the team, but he, and we, missd Higgins yesterday... badly.
If Landry was a baseball player, he'd be Mark Grace.
A solid defensive player who hits .300 with no power.
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That's what pissed me off the most..... times where Toad could establish our identity as a tough butt team, he goes all cute. He asks the rookie QB to do the stuff a 10yr all pro vet does. Head scratching to say the least.
Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here...
They double covered Landry a LOT, because they didn't have to worry about HIggins.
I think the problem long term is that Landry IS the WR2, and what the Browns need is WR1.
And before any delusional posters say it, no, Gordon was NEVER going to be that guy for the Browns.
Gordon was that guy... will he be it again? If he will be, then he has not shown it as yet. And, yes, Phoolie, I watched the SNF game.
As for Landry... he's a WR 1.5 at best. He's a great possession guy, and I am glad he is on the team, but he, and we, missd Higgins yesterday... badly.
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getting RID of gordon was addition by subtraction. He just kept having excuses for just about anything he didn't feel like doing.
meetings, games, training camp... AND he dropped passes.
Calloway drops passes, whatever. Calloway is THERE to go all out and play football. He's a very talented kid, and if he starts catching every ball thrown to him, watch out.
Mebbe, they should forget about catching a bunch of passes from a machine, unless they have somebody running up on them to
pop them one as they are catching it. I figure looking away from the pass, to see where you want to go next, or look at where the guy is coming from ..that is going to let you have it...is the problem. They just have to learn the discipline of looking the ball into their hands, and THEN going for yacs.
gordon never had the love for the game, enough was enough, good that he's gone. He won't play games with another team, he can't take the chance. He knew he could take chances with the Browns for years? Outa here, you're fired.
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That's what pissed me off the most..... times where Toad could establish our identity as a tough butt team, he goes all cute. He asks the rookie QB to do the stuff a 10yr all pro vet does. Head scratching to say the least.
Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here...
They double covered Landry a LOT, because they didn't have to worry about HIggins.
I think the problem long term is that Landry IS the WR2, and what the Browns need is WR1.
And before any delusional posters say it, no, Gordon was NEVER going to be that guy for the Browns.
Gordon was that guy... will he be it again? If he will be, then he has not shown it as yet. And, yes, Phoolie, I watched the SNF game.
As for Landry... he's a WR 1.5 at best. He's a great possession guy, and I am glad he is on the team, but he, and we, missd Higgins yesterday... badly.
Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here
1st and goal at the 3ish and instead of hammering the defense into submission with 3 or even 4 straight punches to the mouth, we throw on 1st, then again on 2nd asking the rook to make a play.
3rd and 4 yesterday and instead of running the ball to setup a worst case 4th and 1... especially since Huey knew he would go for it on 4th, we ask the rook to make a play.
Many more T, those are just of the top of my head......
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@gumby73 said:
question? Kizer was asked to do the same.. Did we see the same with Cody Kessler?
A good coach doesn't force development.... that will naturally come with time vs reps. Good coaches put their team in the best positions to win, and great ones do it without anyone noticing.
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@ghoolie said:
And Haslam can watch Josh Gordon shine, tonight.
Look, people, the problem with the Browns is continuity. He Browns CONTINUALLY pass on the best players in the draft. They continue to refuse to participate in acquiring playmakers, and instead, get second-tier players, under the fantasy that they are snookering the rest of the NFL in getting top-tier talent for bargain prices. The Browns do not have a single player that would start for the Steelers.
IF the Browns truly were trying to build for the future, they would have taken Barkley, and then one of the big QBs with the 4th pick.
Garrett was a mistake. Today you got to see just how one-dimensional he is, and how easily he can be used as toilet paper on run plays.
Hue, WIlliams and Haley ALL need to go.
Again loudmouth:
We will go back to 2005. This is THE top "playmaker" drafted where the Browns picked/would have picked, and just to keep you honest as the Browns "cant draft well, I will even include the next if the Browns took one. 13 years is a LONG career
2005- Braylon Edwards/Cedric Benson
2006- Laurence Maroney
2007- Adrian Peterson (1)
2008- No 1st rounder
2009- Percy Harvin
2010- CJ Spiller
2011- Julio Jones (2)
2012- Trent Richardson/ Justin Blackmon
2013- Tavon Austin
2014- Sammy Watkins
2015- Devante Parker
2016- Paxton Lynch (who YOU wanted when the Browns had the 2nd pick over Wentz) or Will Fuller
2017- Mitchell Trubisky
2018- Saquon Barkley (3)
Now your fat, whiny butt will say something like you would have picked the right person, blah blah blah, but YOUR argument is that the Browns FO is so dumb that they wont take the top playmakers available in the draft. So THESE players ARE the top playmakers available at the Browns pick.
Then of course there would be ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSIVE TOP TALENT, and you would fill out the roster with undrafted dime a dozen OL.
And had you had your way, the Browns would have Barkley, Lamar Jackson (as no matter how much you try and deflect or deny, he was YOUR 1st choice as top player in draft) and Calvin Ridley. And have no draft picks the next 2 years.
So please just STFU about knowing ANYTHING.
Garrett team is 2-3-1 and the BEST PLAYER EVER by a HUGE margin, Saquon Barkley is 1-5.
I already know your response, because you THINK you know it all. Well he doesnt have a QB. Guess what loud mouth (or large mouth, or dumbass) that is correct, Eli is done. You CAN'T win in today's NFL without a QB, no matter what little toy you have. That is why the Browns took a QB, like you complained about not doing for years, then they do and you still complain, and what the Giants SHOULD have done. But hey, they have a running game, which has resulted in 1 win.
You know NOTHING about football. What you have shown a competent knack for is being a good gambler/predictor.
The only reason you rag in Myles and Joe is because you wish you had 1% of them. Their skills, dedication, money, looks, fame, etc.
But hey, I got some GREAT news for you Foolio, you do indeed beat them in something. Just step on a scale and your number will be higher than theirs
Again loudmouth:
We will go back to 2005. This is THE top "playmaker" drafted where the Browns picked/would have picked, and just to keep you honest as the Browns "cant draft well, I will even include the next if the Browns took one. 13 years is a LONG career
2005- Braylon Edwards/Cedric Benson
2006- Laurence Maroney
2007- Adrian Peterson (1)
2008- No 1st rounder
2009- Percy Harvin
2010- CJ Spiller
2011- Julio Jones (2)
2012- Trent Richardson/ Justin Blackmon
2013- Tavon Austin
2014- Sammy Watkins
2015- Devante Parker
2016- Paxton Lynch (who YOU wanted when the Browns had the 2nd pick over Wentz) or Will Fuller
2017- Mitchell Trubisky
2018- Saquon Barkley (3)
Now your fat, whiny butt will say something like you would have picked the right person, blah blah blah, but YOUR argument is that the Browns FO is so dumb that they wont take the top playmakers available in the draft. So THESE players ARE the top playmakers available at the Browns pick.
Then of course there would be ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSIVE TOP TALENT, and you would fill out the roster with undrafted dime a dozen OL.
And had you had your way, the Browns would have Barkley, Lamar Jackson (as no matter how much you try and deflect or deny, he was YOUR 1st choice as top player in draft) and Calvin Ridley. And have no draft picks the next 2 years.
So please just STFU about knowing ANYTHING.
Garrett team is 2-3-1 and the BEST PLAYER EVER by a HUGE margin, Saquon Barkley is 1-5.
I already know your response, because you THINK you know it all. Well he (Saquon) doesn't have a QB. Guess what loud mouth (or large mouth, or dumbass) that is correct, Eli is done. You CAN'T win in today's NFL without a QB, no matter what little toy you have. That is why the Browns took a QB, like you complained about not doing for years, then they do and you still complain, and what the Giants SHOULD have done. But hey, they have a running game, which has resulted in 1 win.
You know NOTHING about football. What you have shown a competent knack for is being a good gambler/predictor.
The only reason you rag in Myles and Joe is because you wish you had 1% of them. Their skills, dedication, money, looks, fame, etc.
But hey, I got some GREAT news for you Foolio, you do indeed beat them in something. Just step on a scale and your number will be higher than theirs
Whiny butt is going to be on a short leash when he comes back. In fact, he's going to get a PM from the Mod crew telling him to stop wasting his time posting BS trolling just to get a response. It will be gone the second it's seen. Ditto anything that looks like a profane comment written by a drunk sailor on shore leave. The vote was about 3:1 that the Board wanted him gone, and he's ignored it.
There's other great & respected posters that have thought about leaving- solely because they can't stand his crap. I'm not going to let that happen, and if he thinks he can use this board as his private toilet to take a dump on whenever he chooses, were not going to let that happen anymore. As I'm sure all are aware, the only reason he's not permanently banned (as he is on every other Browns forum I know about) is because he begged the Board owner to let him back on- and I really wish he hadn't. This Forum will get along just fine without his pollution.
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Jarvis is a hell of a player. Number 1, number 2? Who the hell cares, he is a leader who leads by example and makes really great plays. Dont be idiots. He helped made Tannehill look like a NFL quarterback for a few years.
He will do great things as a Brown.
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Again loudmouth:
We will go back to 2005. This is THE top "playmaker" drafted where the Browns picked/would have picked, and just to keep you honest as the Browns "cant draft well, I will even include the next if the Browns took one. 13 years is a LONG career
2005- Braylon Edwards/Cedric Benson
2006- Laurence Maroney
2007- Adrian Peterson (1)
2008- No 1st rounder
2009- Percy Harvin
2010- CJ Spiller
2011- Julio Jones (2)
2012- Trent Richardson/ Justin Blackmon
2013- Tavon Austin
2014- Sammy Watkins
2015- Devante Parker
2016- Paxton Lynch (who YOU wanted when the Browns had the 2nd pick over Wentz) or Will Fuller
2017- Mitchell Trubisky
2018- Saquon Barkley (3)
Now your fat, whiny butt will say something like you would have picked the right person, blah blah blah, but YOUR argument is that the Browns FO is so dumb that they wont take the top playmakers available in the draft. So THESE players ARE the top playmakers available at the Browns pick.
Then of course there would be ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSIVE TOP TALENT, and you would fill out the roster with undrafted dime a dozen OL.
And had you had your way, the Browns would have Barkley, Lamar Jackson (as no matter how much you try and deflect or deny, he was YOUR 1st choice as top player in draft) and Calvin Ridley. And have no draft picks the next 2 years.
So please just STFU about knowing ANYTHING.
Garrett team is 2-3-1 and the BEST PLAYER EVER by a HUGE margin, Saquon Barkley is 1-5.
I already know your response, because you THINK you know it all. Well he (Saquon) doesn't have a QB. Guess what loud mouth (or large mouth, or dumbass) that is correct, Eli is done. You CAN'T win in today's NFL without a QB, no matter what little toy you have. That is why the Browns took a QB, like you complained about not doing for years, then they do and you still complain, and what the Giants SHOULD have done. But hey, they have a running game, which has resulted in 1 win.
You know NOTHING about football. What you have shown a competent knack for is being a good gambler/predictor.
The only reason you rag in Myles and Joe is because you wish you had 1% of them. Their skills, dedication, money, looks, fame, etc.
But hey, I got some GREAT news for you Foolio, you do indeed beat them in something. Just step on a scale and your number will be higher than theirs
Whiny butt is going to be on a short leash when he comes back. In fact, he's going to get a PM from the Mod crew telling him to stop wasting his time posting BS trolling just to get a response. It will be gone the second it's seen. Ditto anything that looks like a profane comment written by a drunk sailor on shore leave. The vote was about 3:1 that the Board wanted him gone, and he's ignored it.
There's other great & respected posters that have thought about leaving- solely because they can't stand his crap. I'm not going to let that happen, and if he thinks he can use this board as his private toilet to take a dump on whenever he chooses, were not going to let that happen anymore. As I'm sure all are aware, the only reason he's not permanently banned (as he is on every other Browns forum I know about) is because he begged the Board owner to let him back on- and I really wish he hadn't. This Forum will get along just fine without his pollution.
Whiny butt is going to be on a short leash when he comes back. In fact, he's going to get a PM from the Mod crew telling him to stop wasting his time posting BS trolling just to get a response. It will be gone the second it's seen. Ditto anything that looks like a profane comment written by a drunk sailor on shore leave. The vote was about 3:1 that the Board wanted him gone, and he's ignored it.
There's other great & respected posters that have thought about leaving- solely because they can't stand his crap. I'm not going to let that happen, and if he thinks he can use this board as his private toilet to take a dump on whenever he chooses, were not going to let that happen anymore. As I'm sure all are aware, the only reason he's not permanently banned (as he is on every other Browns forum I know about) is because he begged the Board owner to let him back on- and I really wish he hadn't. This Forum will get along just fine without his pollution.
Spent another morning deleting all of his nonsense from that night and I'm sure you guys did the same. I knew from the tavern (even without blowhard) that it was going to be a shitshow around here yesterday afternoon.
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