Jarvis Landry
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That's what pissed me off the most..... times where Toad could establish our identity as a tough butt team, he goes all cute. He asks the rookie QB to do the stuff a 10yr all pro vet does. Head scratching to say the least.
Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here...
They double covered Landry a LOT, because they didn't have to worry about HIggins.
I think the problem long term is that Landry IS the WR2, and what the Browns need is WR1.
And before any delusional posters say it, no, Gordon was NEVER going to be that guy for the Browns.
Gordon was that guy... will he be it again? If he will be, then he has not shown it as yet. And, yes, Phoolie, I watched the SNF game.
As for Landry... he's a WR 1.5 at best. He's a great possession guy, and I am glad he is on the team, but he, and we, missd Higgins yesterday... badly.
Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here
1st and goal at the 3ish and instead of hammering the defense into submission with 3 or even 4 straight punches to the mouth, we throw on 1st, then again on 2nd asking the rook to make a play.
3rd and 4 yesterday and instead of running the ball to setup a worst case 4th and 1... especially since Huey knew he would go for it on 4th, we ask the rook to make a play.
Many more T, those are just of the top of my head......
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@gumby73 said:
question? Kizer was asked to do the same.. Did we see the same with Cody Kessler?
A good coach doesn't force development.... that will naturally come with time vs reps. Good coaches put their team in the best positions to win, and great ones do it without anyone noticing.
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@ghoolie said:
And Haslam can watch Josh Gordon shine, tonight.
Look, people, the problem with the Browns is continuity. He Browns CONTINUALLY pass on the best players in the draft. They continue to refuse to participate in acquiring playmakers, and instead, get second-tier players, under the fantasy that they are snookering the rest of the NFL in getting top-tier talent for bargain prices. The Browns do not have a single player that would start for the Steelers.
IF the Browns truly were trying to build for the future, they would have taken Barkley, and then one of the big QBs with the 4th pick.
Garrett was a mistake. Today you got to see just how one-dimensional he is, and how easily he can be used as toilet paper on run plays.
Hue, WIlliams and Haley ALL need to go.
Again loudmouth:
We will go back to 2005. This is THE top "playmaker" drafted where the Browns picked/would have picked, and just to keep you honest as the Browns "cant draft well, I will even include the next if the Browns took one. 13 years is a LONG career
2005- Braylon Edwards/Cedric Benson
2006- Laurence Maroney
2007- Adrian Peterson (1)
2008- No 1st rounder
2009- Percy Harvin
2010- CJ Spiller
2011- Julio Jones (2)
2012- Trent Richardson/ Justin Blackmon
2013- Tavon Austin
2014- Sammy Watkins
2015- Devante Parker
2016- Paxton Lynch (who YOU wanted when the Browns had the 2nd pick over Wentz) or Will Fuller
2017- Mitchell Trubisky
2018- Saquon Barkley (3)
Now your fat, whiny butt will say something like you would have picked the right person, blah blah blah, but YOUR argument is that the Browns FO is so dumb that they wont take the top playmakers available in the draft. So THESE players ARE the top playmakers available at the Browns pick.
Then of course there would be ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSIVE TOP TALENT, and you would fill out the roster with undrafted dime a dozen OL.
And had you had your way, the Browns would have Barkley, Lamar Jackson (as no matter how much you try and deflect or deny, he was YOUR 1st choice as top player in draft) and Calvin Ridley. And have no draft picks the next 2 years.
So please just STFU about knowing ANYTHING.
Garrett team is 2-3-1 and the BEST PLAYER EVER by a HUGE margin, Saquon Barkley is 1-5.
I already know your response, because you THINK you know it all. Well he doesnt have a QB. Guess what loud mouth (or large mouth, or dumbass) that is correct, Eli is done. You CAN'T win in today's NFL without a QB, no matter what little toy you have. That is why the Browns took a QB, like you complained about not doing for years, then they do and you still complain, and what the Giants SHOULD have done. But hey, they have a running game, which has resulted in 1 win.
You know NOTHING about football. What you have shown a competent knack for is being a good gambler/predictor.
The only reason you rag in Myles and Joe is because you wish you had 1% of them. Their skills, dedication, money, looks, fame, etc.
But hey, I got some GREAT news for you Foolio, you do indeed beat them in something. Just step on a scale and your number will be higher than theirs
Again loudmouth:
We will go back to 2005. This is THE top "playmaker" drafted where the Browns picked/would have picked, and just to keep you honest as the Browns "cant draft well, I will even include the next if the Browns took one. 13 years is a LONG career
2005- Braylon Edwards/Cedric Benson
2006- Laurence Maroney
2007- Adrian Peterson (1)
2008- No 1st rounder
2009- Percy Harvin
2010- CJ Spiller
2011- Julio Jones (2)
2012- Trent Richardson/ Justin Blackmon
2013- Tavon Austin
2014- Sammy Watkins
2015- Devante Parker
2016- Paxton Lynch (who YOU wanted when the Browns had the 2nd pick over Wentz) or Will Fuller
2017- Mitchell Trubisky
2018- Saquon Barkley (3)
Now your fat, whiny butt will say something like you would have picked the right person, blah blah blah, but YOUR argument is that the Browns FO is so dumb that they wont take the top playmakers available in the draft. So THESE players ARE the top playmakers available at the Browns pick.
Then of course there would be ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSIVE TOP TALENT, and you would fill out the roster with undrafted dime a dozen OL.
And had you had your way, the Browns would have Barkley, Lamar Jackson (as no matter how much you try and deflect or deny, he was YOUR 1st choice as top player in draft) and Calvin Ridley. And have no draft picks the next 2 years.
So please just STFU about knowing ANYTHING.
Garrett team is 2-3-1 and the BEST PLAYER EVER by a HUGE margin, Saquon Barkley is 1-5.
I already know your response, because you THINK you know it all. Well he (Saquon) doesn't have a QB. Guess what loud mouth (or large mouth, or dumbass) that is correct, Eli is done. You CAN'T win in today's NFL without a QB, no matter what little toy you have. That is why the Browns took a QB, like you complained about not doing for years, then they do and you still complain, and what the Giants SHOULD have done. But hey, they have a running game, which has resulted in 1 win.
You know NOTHING about football. What you have shown a competent knack for is being a good gambler/predictor.
The only reason you rag in Myles and Joe is because you wish you had 1% of them. Their skills, dedication, money, looks, fame, etc.
But hey, I got some GREAT news for you Foolio, you do indeed beat them in something. Just step on a scale and your number will be higher than theirs
Whiny butt is going to be on a short leash when he comes back. In fact, he's going to get a PM from the Mod crew telling him to stop wasting his time posting BS trolling just to get a response. It will be gone the second it's seen. Ditto anything that looks like a profane comment written by a drunk sailor on shore leave. The vote was about 3:1 that the Board wanted him gone, and he's ignored it.
There's other great & respected posters that have thought about leaving- solely because they can't stand his crap. I'm not going to let that happen, and if he thinks he can use this board as his private toilet to take a dump on whenever he chooses, were not going to let that happen anymore. As I'm sure all are aware, the only reason he's not permanently banned (as he is on every other Browns forum I know about) is because he begged the Board owner to let him back on- and I really wish he hadn't. This Forum will get along just fine without his pollution.
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Jarvis is a hell of a player. Number 1, number 2? Who the hell cares, he is a leader who leads by example and makes really great plays. Dont be idiots. He helped made Tannehill look like a NFL quarterback for a few years.
He will do great things as a Brown.
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Again loudmouth:
We will go back to 2005. This is THE top "playmaker" drafted where the Browns picked/would have picked, and just to keep you honest as the Browns "cant draft well, I will even include the next if the Browns took one. 13 years is a LONG career
2005- Braylon Edwards/Cedric Benson
2006- Laurence Maroney
2007- Adrian Peterson (1)
2008- No 1st rounder
2009- Percy Harvin
2010- CJ Spiller
2011- Julio Jones (2)
2012- Trent Richardson/ Justin Blackmon
2013- Tavon Austin
2014- Sammy Watkins
2015- Devante Parker
2016- Paxton Lynch (who YOU wanted when the Browns had the 2nd pick over Wentz) or Will Fuller
2017- Mitchell Trubisky
2018- Saquon Barkley (3)
Now your fat, whiny butt will say something like you would have picked the right person, blah blah blah, but YOUR argument is that the Browns FO is so dumb that they wont take the top playmakers available in the draft. So THESE players ARE the top playmakers available at the Browns pick.
Then of course there would be ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENSIVE TOP TALENT, and you would fill out the roster with undrafted dime a dozen OL.
And had you had your way, the Browns would have Barkley, Lamar Jackson (as no matter how much you try and deflect or deny, he was YOUR 1st choice as top player in draft) and Calvin Ridley. And have no draft picks the next 2 years.
So please just STFU about knowing ANYTHING.
Garrett team is 2-3-1 and the BEST PLAYER EVER by a HUGE margin, Saquon Barkley is 1-5.
I already know your response, because you THINK you know it all. Well he (Saquon) doesn't have a QB. Guess what loud mouth (or large mouth, or dumbass) that is correct, Eli is done. You CAN'T win in today's NFL without a QB, no matter what little toy you have. That is why the Browns took a QB, like you complained about not doing for years, then they do and you still complain, and what the Giants SHOULD have done. But hey, they have a running game, which has resulted in 1 win.
You know NOTHING about football. What you have shown a competent knack for is being a good gambler/predictor.
The only reason you rag in Myles and Joe is because you wish you had 1% of them. Their skills, dedication, money, looks, fame, etc.
But hey, I got some GREAT news for you Foolio, you do indeed beat them in something. Just step on a scale and your number will be higher than theirs
Whiny butt is going to be on a short leash when he comes back. In fact, he's going to get a PM from the Mod crew telling him to stop wasting his time posting BS trolling just to get a response. It will be gone the second it's seen. Ditto anything that looks like a profane comment written by a drunk sailor on shore leave. The vote was about 3:1 that the Board wanted him gone, and he's ignored it.
There's other great & respected posters that have thought about leaving- solely because they can't stand his crap. I'm not going to let that happen, and if he thinks he can use this board as his private toilet to take a dump on whenever he chooses, were not going to let that happen anymore. As I'm sure all are aware, the only reason he's not permanently banned (as he is on every other Browns forum I know about) is because he begged the Board owner to let him back on- and I really wish he hadn't. This Forum will get along just fine without his pollution.
Whiny butt is going to be on a short leash when he comes back. In fact, he's going to get a PM from the Mod crew telling him to stop wasting his time posting BS trolling just to get a response. It will be gone the second it's seen. Ditto anything that looks like a profane comment written by a drunk sailor on shore leave. The vote was about 3:1 that the Board wanted him gone, and he's ignored it.
There's other great & respected posters that have thought about leaving- solely because they can't stand his crap. I'm not going to let that happen, and if he thinks he can use this board as his private toilet to take a dump on whenever he chooses, were not going to let that happen anymore. As I'm sure all are aware, the only reason he's not permanently banned (as he is on every other Browns forum I know about) is because he begged the Board owner to let him back on- and I really wish he hadn't. This Forum will get along just fine without his pollution.
Spent another morning deleting all of his nonsense from that night and I'm sure you guys did the same. I knew from the tavern (even without blowhard) that it was going to be a shitshow around here yesterday afternoon.
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Examples? I honestly do not know what you are referring to here...
Gordon was that guy... will he be it again? If he will be, then he has not shown it as yet. And, yes, Phoolie, I watched the SNF game.
As for Landry... he's a WR 1.5 at best. He's a great possession guy, and I am glad he is on the team, but he, and we, missd Higgins yesterday... badly.
If Landry was a baseball player, he'd be Mark Grace.
A solid defensive player who hits .300 with no power.
If Landry was a baseball player, he'd be Mark Grace.
A solid defensive player who hits .300 with no power.
More prolific than Grace, he is Tony Gwynn.
Problem is, he is setting the table for Mario Mendoza right now ... we need a home run hitter.
Zombo
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If Landry was a baseball player, he'd be Mark Grace.
A solid defensive player who hits .300 with no power.
More prolific than Grace, he is Tony Gwynn.
Problem is, he is setting the table for Mario Mendoza right now ... we need a home run hitter.
Zombo
Zombo said:
More prolific than Grace, he is Tony Gwynn.
Problem is, he is setting the table for Mario Mendoza right now ... we need a home run hitter.
Zombo
I actually thought of Gwynn, but gun to my head I don't see Landry going to the HOF like Gwynn did.
You are absolutely right though, he needs help.
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Zombo said:
More prolific than Grace, he is Tony Gwynn.
Problem is, he is setting the table for Mario Mendoza right now ... we need a home run hitter.
Zombo
I actually thought of Gwynn, but gun to my head I don't see Landry going to the HOF like Gwynn did.
You are absolutely right though, he needs help.
I actually thought of Gwynn, but gun to my head I don't see Landry going to the HOF like Gwynn did.
You are absolutely right though, he needs help.
y'all need to be careful with the Tony Gwynn references. He's a revered figure in my house.
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I actually thought of Gwynn, but gun to my head I don't see Landry going to the HOF like Gwynn did.
You are absolutely right though, he needs help.
y'all need to be careful with the Tony Gwynn references. He's a revered figure in my house.
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yea flash is not the answer and never was gonna be, its just unfortunate that the browns have no receivers, and theyve not had good receivers for the last 3 years, and when they finally have a solid qb, they have no WR depth to help him out
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yea flash is not the answer and never was gonna be, its just unfortunate that the browns have no receivers, and theyve not had good receivers for the last 3 years, and when they finally have a solid qb, they have no WR depth to help him out
yea flash is not the answer and never was gonna be, its just unfortunate that the browns have no receivers, and theyve not had good receivers for the last 3 years, and when they finally have a solid qb, they have no WR depth to help him out
The WR unit went from thin to barely able to field a 4 WR set almost overnight.
I'm sure WR is going to be a huge priority this offseason in free agency and the draft, but it's going to be a crapshoot the rest of the way, unfortunately.
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yea flash is not the answer and never was gonna be, its just unfortunate that the browns have no receivers, and theyve not had good receivers for the last 3 years, and when they finally have a solid qb, they have no WR depth to help him out
The WR unit went from thin to barely able to field a 4 WR set almost overnight.
I'm sure WR is going to be a huge priority this offseason in free agency and the draft, but it's going to be a crapshoot the rest of the way, unfortunately.
The WR unit went from thin to barely able to field a 4 WR set almost overnight.
I'm sure WR is going to be a huge priority this offseason in free agency and the draft, but it's going to be a crapshoot the rest of the way, unfortunately.
True. Hopefully that will mean in an increase of the run plays and getting players like Duke and Njoku more involved.
Also, not having to rely heavily on our pass offense should take some weight off our rookie's shoulders. If he's making more than 30 attempts a game, INTs are expected.
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