Use of players on offense
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Hue Jackson simply needs to be gone. A thorn in the side of this team and I think the organization knows he’s a dead man walking. Maybe hue even knows (tho that may be giving him too much credit)
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Hue Jackson simply needs to be gone. A thorn in the side of this team and I think the organization knows he’s a dead man walking. Maybe hue even knows (tho that may be giving him too much credit)
Hue Jackson simply needs to be gone. A thorn in the side of this team and I think the organization knows he’s a dead man walking. Maybe hue even knows (tho that may be giving him too much credit)
He has the ear of Jimmah haslam and I think Dee's panties. Others have gone but the haslams say hue stays on. Answer that one.
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Hue Jackson simply needs to be gone. A thorn in the side of this team and I think the organization knows he’s a dead man walking. Maybe hue even knows (tho that may be giving him too much credit)
He has the ear of Jimmah haslam and I think Dee's panties. Others have gone but the haslams say hue stays on. Answer that one.
He has the ear of Jimmah haslam and I think Dee's panties. Others have gone but the haslams say hue stays on. Answer that one.
Jimmah fired two head coaches in the span of three years. AND he made the team draft the drunk ugly midget.
Hue has his job this year based on that alone. Nobody worth anything is lining up for that kind of leash. In my opinion Mike P should still be the head coach.
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He has the ear of Jimmah haslam and I think Dee's panties. Others have gone but the haslams say hue stays on. Answer that one.
Jimmah fired two head coaches in the span of three years. AND he made the team draft the drunk ugly midget.
Hue has his job this year based on that alone. Nobody worth anything is lining up for that kind of leash. In my opinion Mike P should still be the head coach.
Mike P should still be the head coach.
garrett and ogbah would be in the 220's ny now running 30 yds downfield with slot receivers......no thanks. Pettine used his last year with the browns to run defensive experiments cause he prob understood he was gone
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He has the ear of Jimmah haslam and I think Dee's panties. Others have gone but the haslams say hue stays on. Answer that one.
Jimmah fired two head coaches in the span of three years. AND he made the team draft the drunk ugly midget.
Hue has his job this year based on that alone. Nobody worth anything is lining up for that kind of leash. In my opinion Mike P should still be the head coach.
Jimmah fired two head coaches in the span of three years. ADD he made the team draft the drunk ugly midget.
Hue has his job this year based on that alone. Nobody worth anything is lining up for that kind of leash. In my opinion Mike P should still be the head coach.
That would mean keeping a real coach. Kinda like bizarro world. Fire the real coach and keep the record setting loser. As I pay less and less attention to football.
Thanks jimmah
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I'm prepared to give the coaches somewhat of a break through only 6 games and dealing with a myriad of injuries. However, I want to see improvement. If Duke is catching the ball, GET HIM the ball. Why isn't Devalve targeted more than once or twice in 2 weeks? I just posted in the other thread that we had FOUR dropped touchdown passes against the Bolts. Four! Every single one of them would've scored, and all of them were over 35 yards. Big plays. Game-changing plays. Plays our rookie QB absolutely needs after taking a beating and playing his heart out.
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garrett and ogbah would be in the 220's ny now running 30 yds downfield with slot receivers......no thanks. Pettine used his last year with the browns to run defensive experiments cause he prob understood he was gone
That's cause he got saddled with Mingo..... another stellar pick.
Mike's biggest mistake was keeping Daboll as his Offensive Cord. How that guy still has a job bouncing from team to team is beyond me.
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garrett and ogbah would be in the 220's ny now running 30 yds downfield with slot receivers......no thanks. Pettine used his last year with the browns to run defensive experiments cause he prob understood he was gone
That's cause he got saddled with Mingo..... another stellar pick.
Mike's biggest mistake was keeping Daboll as his Offensive Cord. How that guy still has a job bouncing from team to team is beyond me.
That's cause he got saddled with Mingo..... another stellar pick.
Mike's biggest mistake was keeping Daboll as his Offensive Cord. How that guy still has a job bouncing from team to team is beyond me.
He might have been able to keep Kyle Shanahan as his OC, but when Ray Farmer is interfering in the middle of the game, he got out of the Browns as fast as he could. (The guy had a power point I think listing the reasons why he should be allowed to get out of his contract with the Browns)
I thought Pettine's biggest issue was his allegiance to his buddy as defensive coordinator. (Can't remember his name) That guy was not good.
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That's cause he got saddled with Mingo..... another stellar pick.
Mike's biggest mistake was keeping Daboll as his Offensive Cord. How that guy still has a job bouncing from team to team is beyond me.
He might have been able to keep Kyle Shanahan as his OC, but when Ray Farmer is interfering in the middle of the game, he got out of the Browns as fast as he could. (The guy had a power point I think listing the reasons why he should be allowed to get out of his contract with the Browns)
I thought Pettine's biggest issue was his allegiance to his buddy as defensive coordinator. (Can't remember his name) That guy was not good.
I thought Pettine's biggest issue was his allegiance to his buddy as defensive coordinator. (Can't remember his name) That guy was not good.
Jim O'Neil..and he is still awe-full at oakland..Pet at GB D, got torched by 9'ers Bethard..at least they split personally awe-full
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That's cause he got saddled with Mingo..... another stellar pick.
Mike's biggest mistake was keeping Daboll as his Offensive Cord. How that guy still has a job bouncing from team to team is beyond me.
He might have been able to keep Kyle Shanahan as his OC, but when Ray Farmer is interfering in the middle of the game, he got out of the Browns as fast as he could. (The guy had a power point I think listing the reasons why he should be allowed to get out of his contract with the Browns)
I thought Pettine's biggest issue was his allegiance to his buddy as defensive coordinator. (Can't remember his name) That guy was not good.
He might have been able to keep Kyle Shanahan as his OC, but when Ray Farmer is interfering in the middle of the game, he got out of the Browns as fast as he could. (The guy had a power point I think listing the reasons why he should be allowed to get out of his contract with the Browns)
I thought Pettine's biggest issue was his allegiance to his buddy as defensive coordinator. (Can't remember his name) That guy was not good.
You know what, you are right it was Jim O'Neil. Daboll was with Eric. O'neil was horrible too. I could never figure out why Mike let him run the defense into the ground when he was a defensive coach himself. I always think Daboll because I see him all over the league. Dude ran like 4 total plays for is offensive scheme... doing a quick search to refresh my memory and the Bill boards are lighting up about how they need to fire him now..... haha.
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He might have been able to keep Kyle Shanahan as his OC, but when Ray Farmer is interfering in the middle of the game, he got out of the Browns as fast as he could. (The guy had a power point I think listing the reasons why he should be allowed to get out of his contract with the Browns)
I thought Pettine's biggest issue was his allegiance to his buddy as defensive coordinator. (Can't remember his name) That guy was not good.
You know what, you are right it was Jim O'Neil. Daboll was with Eric. O'neil was horrible too. I could never figure out why Mike let him run the defense into the ground when he was a defensive coach himself. I always think Daboll because I see him all over the league. Dude ran like 4 total plays for is offensive scheme... doing a quick search to refresh my memory and the Bill boards are lighting up about how they need to fire him now..... haha.
You know what, you are right it was Jim O'Neil. Daboll was with Eric. O'neil was horrible too. I could never figure out why Mike let him run the defense into the ground when he was a defensive coach himself. I always think Daboll because I see him all over the league. Dude ran like 4 total plays for is offensive scheme... doing a quick search to refresh my memory and the Bill boards are lighting up about how they need to fire him now..... haha.
So you've been on the Bills boards?
I'd be curious how they are feeling about Allen. I got the impression after the draft they weren't really thrilled with the pick. Bills didn't do him any favors by rushing him onto the field.
All and all, I liked Pettine. I felt bad for the hand he was dealt here.
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You know what, you are right it was Jim O'Neil. Daboll was with Eric. O'neil was horrible too. I could never figure out why Mike let him run the defense into the ground when he was a defensive coach himself. I always think Daboll because I see him all over the league. Dude ran like 4 total plays for is offensive scheme... doing a quick search to refresh my memory and the Bill boards are lighting up about how they need to fire him now..... haha.
So you've been on the Bills boards?
I'd be curious how they are feeling about Allen. I got the impression after the draft they weren't really thrilled with the pick. Bills didn't do him any favors by rushing him onto the field.
All and all, I liked Pettine. I felt bad for the hand he was dealt here.
So you've been on the Bills boards?
I'd be curious how they are feeling about Allen. I got the impression after the draft they weren't really thrilled with the pick. Bills didn't do him any favors by rushing him onto the field.
All and all, I liked Pettine. I felt bad for the hand he was dealt here.
I just typed in Daboll to see where he was now. I mixed him up with O'Neil because I thought he was in San Fran. First few things coming up was Fire Daboll now from Bills boards.
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You know what, you are right it was Jim O'Neil. Daboll was with Eric. O'neil was horrible too. I could never figure out why Mike let him run the defense into the ground when he was a defensive coach himself. I always think Daboll because I see him all over the league. Dude ran like 4 total plays for is offensive scheme... doing a quick search to refresh my memory and the Bill boards are lighting up about how they need to fire him now..... haha.
So you've been on the Bills boards?
I'd be curious how they are feeling about Allen. I got the impression after the draft they weren't really thrilled with the pick. Bills didn't do him any favors by rushing him onto the field.
All and all, I liked Pettine. I felt bad for the hand he was dealt here.
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All and all, I liked Pettine. I felt bad for the hand he was dealt here.
Even I know he was dealt drunk Johnny by jimmah and then fired before they should have fired Johnny and gotten him a sober QB. Owners are to poorest in the NFL and have now retained a lame duck HC who has already demonstrated on multiple occasions he has no game day coaching talent.
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All and all, I liked Pettine. I felt bad for the hand he was dealt here.
Even I know he was dealt drunk Johnny by jimmah and then fired before they should have fired Johnny and gotten him a sober QB. Owners are to poorest in the NFL and have now retained a lame duck HC who has already demonstrated on multiple occasions he has no game day coaching talent.
Even I know he was dealt drunk Johnny by jimmah and then fired before they should have fired Johnny and gotten him a sober QB. Owners are to poorest in the NFL and have now retained a lame duck HC who has already demonstrated on multiple occasions he has no game day coaching talent.
I have a feeling Dorsey and Hue are going to play out the same way it did with Mangini and Holmgren. Holmgren inherited Mangini and let him stick around for another season, and then fired him, leaving everyone to think: "What was the point of that?"
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Just move Duke to WR. Why is this so hard.... Slot receiver/3rd down back. Get him the damn ball. I thought for sure with Higgins down all week this would have been the move anyway....
Just move Duke to WR. Why is this so hard.... Slot receiver/3rd down back. Get him the damn ball. I thought for sure with Higgins down all week this would have been the move anyway....
as i said in a different thread DUKE coming out of the backfield on a pass play pit's him against a linebacker split him out wide ? well i just see the same production vs a db
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He might have been able to keep Kyle Shanahan as his OC, but when Ray Farmer is interfering in the middle of the game, he got out of the Browns as fast as he could. (The guy had a power point I think listing the reasons why he should be allowed to get out of his contract with the Browns)
I thought Pettine's biggest issue was his allegiance to his buddy as defensive coordinator. (Can't remember his name) That guy was not good.
You know what, you are right it was Jim O'Neil. Daboll was with Eric. O'neil was horrible too. I could never figure out why Mike let him run the defense into the ground when he was a defensive coach himself. I always think Daboll because I see him all over the league. Dude ran like 4 total plays for is offensive scheme... doing a quick search to refresh my memory and the Bill boards are lighting up about how they need to fire him now..... haha.
You know what, you are right it was Jim O'Neil. Daboll was with Eric. O'neil was horrible too. I could never figure out why Mike let him run the defense into the ground when he was a defensive coach himself. I always think Daboll because I see him all over the league. Dude ran like 4 total plays for is offensive scheme... doing a quick search to refresh my memory and the Bill boards are lighting up about how they need to fire him now..... haha.
O'Neill was AWFUL
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Just move Duke to WR. Why is this so hard.... Slot receiver/3rd down back. Get him the damn ball. I thought for sure with Higgins down all week this would have been the move anyway....
as i said in a different thread DUKE coming out of the backfield on a pass play pit's him against a linebacker split him out wide ? well i just see the same production vs a db
as i said in a different thread DUKE coming out of the backfield on a pass play pit's him against a linebacker split him out wide ? well i just see the same production vs a db
Duke Johnson is not a wide receiver.
He is 5'9, 210 and runs a 4.54. Every cornerback in the league could cover him if he lined up wide. Too short and stocky to be a wideout.
Could he play the slot? Sure. But we have Jarvis Landry in the slot who has caught more passes than anybody in league history over the first 4 and a half years of his career. So, he's not our best option there.
Duke's talent is running in space with the ball. He's elusive and strong. And sure-handed. He's ideal as an outlet guy. Get him on a linebacker and he will win that race. Think Darren Sproles, Giovani Bernard, etc ... that is the best use of Duke Johnson.
Is a wide receiver off the street, a wide receiver that got cut in camp, a better wide receiver than Duke Johnson? Yes.
Because they have the body and the training to be wide receivers. He's a running back. He's a third down back, He's an outlet back ... that is who he is, and he is very good at it.
Callaway needs to catch the ball. But Callaway has a step on his man in the end zone, Duke would be blanketed and that's how you get interceptions. Keep throwing to Calloway it is going to payoff as he gets more sure of himself.
Ratley had a very good first game ... develop him.
Breshard Perriman has first round talent, see if the light can come on for him.
Higgins could be back in a week or two and Landry-Calloway-Higgins works if Calloway comes around. And if Ratley and Perriman turn into reliable options, then Baker has a stable of wideouts to turn to.
You are not going to solve any problems by making our third down back a wide receiver. Get him the ball more, sure, a few more designed routes, sure. But we're going to get BETTER by making Calloway, Ratley, Perriman, Scott etc, better. That's what the coaching staff needs to do. These guys need to play, they need practice reps with Baker and they need to catch the ball when they are open. Repetitiveness solves that not gimmickry.
Zombo
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as i said in a different thread DUKE coming out of the backfield on a pass play pit's him against a linebacker split him out wide ? well i just see the same production vs a db
Duke Johnson is not a wide receiver.
He is 5'9, 210 and runs a 4.54. Every cornerback in the league could cover him if he lined up wide. Too short and stocky to be a wideout.
Could he play the slot? Sure. But we have Jarvis Landry in the slot who has caught more passes than anybody in league history over the first 4 and a half years of his career. So, he's not our best option there.
Duke's talent is running in space with the ball. He's elusive and strong. And sure-handed. He's ideal as an outlet guy. Get him on a linebacker and he will win that race. Think Darren Sproles, Giovani Bernard, etc ... that is the best use of Duke Johnson.
Is a wide receiver off the street, a wide receiver that got cut in camp, a better wide receiver than Duke Johnson? Yes.
Because they have the body and the training to be wide receivers. He's a running back. He's a third down back, He's an outlet back ... that is who he is, and he is very good at it.
Callaway needs to catch the ball. But Callaway has a step on his man in the end zone, Duke would be blanketed and that's how you get interceptions. Keep throwing to Calloway it is going to payoff as he gets more sure of himself.
Ratley had a very good first game ... develop him.
Breshard Perriman has first round talent, see if the light can come on for him.
Higgins could be back in a week or two and Landry-Calloway-Higgins works if Calloway comes around. And if Ratley and Perriman turn into reliable options, then Baker has a stable of wideouts to turn to.
You are not going to solve any problems by making our third down back a wide receiver. Get him the ball more, sure, a few more designed routes, sure. But we're going to get BETTER by making Calloway, Ratley, Perriman, Scott etc, better. That's what the coaching staff needs to do. These guys need to play, they need practice reps with Baker and they need to catch the ball when they are open. Repetitiveness solves that not gimmickry.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Duke Johnson is not a wide receiver.
He is 5'9, 210 and runs a 4.54. Every cornerback in the league could cover him if he lined up wide. Too short and stocky to be a wideout.
Could he play the slot? Sure. But we have Jarvis Landry in the slot who has caught more passes than anybody in league history over the first 4 and a half years of his career. So, he's not our best option there.
Duke's talent is running in space with the ball. He's elusive and strong. And sure-handed. He's ideal as an outlet guy. Get him on a linebacker and he will win that race. Think Darren Sproles, Giovani Bernard, etc ... that is the best use of Duke Johnson.
Is a wide receiver off the street, a wide receiver that got cut in camp, a better wide receiver than Duke Johnson? Yes.
Because they have the body and the training to be wide receivers. He's a running back. He's a third down back, He's an outlet back ... that is who he is, and he is very good at it.
Callaway needs to catch the ball. But Callaway has a step on his man in the end zone, Duke would be blanketed and that's how you get interceptions. Keep throwing to Calloway it is going to payoff as he gets more sure of himself.
Ratley had a very good first game ... develop him.
Breshard Perriman has first round talent, see if the light can come on for him.
Higgins could be back in a week or two and Landry-Calloway-Higgins works if Calloway comes around. And if Ratley and Perriman turn into reliable options, then Baker has a stable of wideouts to turn to.
You are not going to solve any problems by making our third down back a wide receiver. Get him the ball more, sure, a few more designed routes, sure. But we're going to get BETTER by making Calloway, Ratley, Perriman, Scott etc, better. That's what the coaching staff needs to do. These guys need to play, they need practice reps with Baker and they need to catch the ball when they are open. Repetitiveness solves that not gimmickry.
Zombo
i meant to say I do not see the same production vs a DB
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Zombo said:
Duke Johnson is not a wide receiver.
He is 5'9, 210 and runs a 4.54. Every cornerback in the league could cover him if he lined up wide. Too short and stocky to be a wideout.
Could he play the slot? Sure. But we have Jarvis Landry in the slot who has caught more passes than anybody in league history over the first 4 and a half years of his career. So, he's not our best option there.
Duke's talent is running in space with the ball. He's elusive and strong. And sure-handed. He's ideal as an outlet guy. Get him on a linebacker and he will win that race. Think Darren Sproles, Giovani Bernard, etc ... that is the best use of Duke Johnson.
Is a wide receiver off the street, a wide receiver that got cut in camp, a better wide receiver than Duke Johnson? Yes.
Because they have the body and the training to be wide receivers. He's a running back. He's a third down back, He's an outlet back ... that is who he is, and he is very good at it.
Callaway needs to catch the ball. But Callaway has a step on his man in the end zone, Duke would be blanketed and that's how you get interceptions. Keep throwing to Calloway it is going to payoff as he gets more sure of himself.
Ratley had a very good first game ... develop him.
Breshard Perriman has first round talent, see if the light can come on for him.
Higgins could be back in a week or two and Landry-Calloway-Higgins works if Calloway comes around. And if Ratley and Perriman turn into reliable options, then Baker has a stable of wideouts to turn to.
You are not going to solve any problems by making our third down back a wide receiver. Get him the ball more, sure, a few more designed routes, sure. But we're going to get BETTER by making Calloway, Ratley, Perriman, Scott etc, better. That's what the coaching staff needs to do. These guys need to play, they need practice reps with Baker and they need to catch the ball when they are open. Repetitiveness solves that not gimmickry.
Zombo
i meant to say I do not see the same production vs a DB
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as i said in a different thread DUKE coming out of the backfield on a pass play pit's him against a linebacker split him out wide ? well i just see the same production vs a db
Duke Johnson is not a wide receiver.
He is 5'9, 210 and runs a 4.54. Every cornerback in the league could cover him if he lined up wide. Too short and stocky to be a wideout.
Could he play the slot? Sure. But we have Jarvis Landry in the slot who has caught more passes than anybody in league history over the first 4 and a half years of his career. So, he's not our best option there.
Duke's talent is running in space with the ball. He's elusive and strong. And sure-handed. He's ideal as an outlet guy. Get him on a linebacker and he will win that race. Think Darren Sproles, Giovani Bernard, etc ... that is the best use of Duke Johnson.
Is a wide receiver off the street, a wide receiver that got cut in camp, a better wide receiver than Duke Johnson? Yes.
Because they have the body and the training to be wide receivers. He's a running back. He's a third down back, He's an outlet back ... that is who he is, and he is very good at it.
Callaway needs to catch the ball. But Callaway has a step on his man in the end zone, Duke would be blanketed and that's how you get interceptions. Keep throwing to Calloway it is going to payoff as he gets more sure of himself.
Ratley had a very good first game ... develop him.
Breshard Perriman has first round talent, see if the light can come on for him.
Higgins could be back in a week or two and Landry-Calloway-Higgins works if Calloway comes around. And if Ratley and Perriman turn into reliable options, then Baker has a stable of wideouts to turn to.
You are not going to solve any problems by making our third down back a wide receiver. Get him the ball more, sure, a few more designed routes, sure. But we're going to get BETTER by making Calloway, Ratley, Perriman, Scott etc, better. That's what the coaching staff needs to do. These guys need to play, they need practice reps with Baker and they need to catch the ball when they are open. Repetitiveness solves that not gimmickry.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Duke Johnson is not a wide receiver.
He is 5'9, 210 and runs a 4.54. Every cornerback in the league could cover him if he lined up wide. Too short and stocky to be a wideout.
Could he play the slot? Sure. But we have Jarvis Landry in the slot who has caught more passes than anybody in league history over the first 4 and a half years of his career. So, he's not our best option there.
Duke's talent is running in space with the ball. He's elusive and strong. And sure-handed. He's ideal as an outlet guy. Get him on a linebacker and he will win that race. Think Darren Sproles, Giovani Bernard, etc ... that is the best use of Duke Johnson.
Is a wide receiver off the street, a wide receiver that got cut in camp, a better wide receiver than Duke Johnson? Yes.
Because they have the body and the training to be wide receivers. He's a running back. He's a third down back, He's an outlet back ... that is who he is, and he is very good at it.
Callaway needs to catch the ball. But Callaway has a step on his man in the end zone, Duke would be blanketed and that's how you get interceptions. Keep throwing to Calloway it is going to payoff as he gets more sure of himself.
Ratley had a very good first game ... develop him.
Breshard Perriman has first round talent, see if the light can come on for him.
Higgins could be back in a week or two and Landry-Calloway-Higgins works if Calloway comes around. And if Ratley and Perriman turn into reliable options, then Baker has a stable of wideouts to turn to.
You are not going to solve any problems by making our third down back a wide receiver. Get him the ball more, sure, a few more designed routes, sure. But we're going to get BETTER by making Calloway, Ratley, Perriman, Scott etc, better. That's what the coaching staff needs to do. These guys need to play, they need practice reps with Baker and they need to catch the ball when they are open. Repetitiveness solves that not gimmickry.
Zombo
So you’re admitting we’ve paid a slot receiver $15m a year?
You are right but people have been claiming Landry is a #2 and some a #1
Its a terrible deal for the Browns they need to get out of. He can’t outrun any corner on the outside.
As for Duke I’ve seen him do more on the outside and with the ball in his hands than Landry has ever done.
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