Hyde traded
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This strikes me as a move made by a GM who knows the current coaching staff isn't going to be here next season, and he could not give a flying fudge (but I didn't say fudge) about what they want or their feelings. He's going to get who he wants on the field now.
This strikes me as a move made by a GM who knows the current coaching staff isn't going to be here next season, and he could not give a flying fudge (but I didn't say fudge) about what they want or their feelings. He's going to get who he wants on the field now.
In the short time Haslam has been here - he's already fired Chud, and Pettine. That led to countless media, fans, and consultants telling him he can't build anything decent when HC tenures aren't lasting longer than a cup of coffee. Haslam listened, learned and said he'd be more patient with his next hire. This was Hue, who proceeded to start off 1-31 like a steel toe shitt kicker Jimmy right between the lookers. Who's kidding who here? Someone's get'n FIRED and it's the inexperienced FO guy that despite some nice trades - other FOs were drafting guys we could have drafted like: Carson Wentz, Zeke Elliott, Joey Bosa, Michael Thomas (not to be confused with Corey "Scissorhands" Coleman), Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, etc.
That doesn't mean Jimmy didn't WANT to fire Hue. I firmly believe when he hired an experienced FO guy like Dorsey it meant there is no more excusing or accepting losing. If Hue doesn't win - he's gone at the end of the year. Only THIS time, he'll have an experienced guy like Dorsey helping him with the hiring criteria and selection of HC candidates.
If Dorsey puts the personnel in place here that he put in place in KC with Hill, Hunt and Mahomes - the offense is going to be fun to watch. FWIW, here's where Cleveland currently ranks rushing the football out of 32 teams:
NFL Team Rushing Yards per Game
Date:Rank Team 2018 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2017 1 LA Rams 154.3 175.0 270.0 120.3 188.3 121.6 2 Dallas 147.5 162.3 206.0 175.7 119.3 135.6 3 San Francisco 142.5 132.3 174.0 168.5 129.5 103.9 4 Carolina 139.4 143.0 81.0 165.0 101.0 129.9 5 Cleveland 137.7 141.0 103.0 131.2 150.5 107.1 -
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I am fine with the move from the pov that it is a rebuilding team, get a pick for a guy who probably won't be here long term and get Chubb more carries.
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So why did Dorsey sign Hyde in the first place? Then pay Duke top ten RB money?
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
To get things right, I don't like Hue and I think Dorsey has nailed it so far.
I like your narrative, and being Dorsey's first year, it makes a lot of sense. Problem is, I don't like it if his modus operandi as GM that wants something done is to directly trade the 1st string RB 2 days before a game, no matter if the HC is Hue or Vincent Lombardi.
I hope there has been some communication between FO and coaching staff -as they have to work together- and that we are getting a player in exchange somewhere.
Because if it is about Chubb getting experience in a rebuilding+fire Hue year, I see two problems:
1. You're using his body in a meaningless year.
2. You probably don't protect as well as earlier your rookie quaterback, either because Chubb still needs to improve picking blocks or thanks to a worse running game (Not that Hyde was stellar, but I liked our trio).
I don't think Dorsey really needed to force Hue's hand, he knows his situation and is already giving him ball games...
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Perhaps the answer to the question about protecting the quarterback is to utilize a full back more often. In fact question: do we even have a full back on this team?
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He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
Actually (true story) I called Dorsey and told him they were screwing up one of my FLs and Duke was not getting enough touches.
Problem solved and Hyde is now the JAX #1 guy......honest, he is.
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Reminds me of the scene in Moneyball when Billy Bean has traded away all the guys Art Howe insisted on starting over the guys Bean wanted to play.
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And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
I've been kinda thinkin' that Hilliard must have been showing a little something more than just PS ability that made Dorsey feel he could trade away Hyde and force some changes in RB use on HaleyHue, the undynamic duo.
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And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
this move is just as idiotic as it was yesterday, even after sleeping on it.
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And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
this move is just as idiotic as it was yesterday, even after sleeping on it.
this move is just as idiotic as it was yesterday, even after sleeping on it.
I would wait to see how it works over the next 3-4 games before deciding it was good or bad. Especially if he finds a way to fix that WR depth problem too.
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this move is just as idiotic as it was yesterday, even after sleeping on it.
I would wait to see how it works over the next 3-4 games before deciding it was good or bad. Especially if he finds a way to fix that WR depth problem too.
I would wait to see how it works over the next 3-4 games before deciding it was good or bad. Especially if he finds a way to fix that WR depth problem too.
oh i have no doubt chubb in the short term picks up hydes carries. Ic haley bowing to pressure and giving chubb the ball 50 times a game. Its just long run, we blew up the best rb room in the league for a 5th rounder
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this move is just as idiotic as it was yesterday, even after sleeping on it.
I would wait to see how it works over the next 3-4 games before deciding it was good or bad. Especially if he finds a way to fix that WR depth problem too.
I would wait to see how it works over the next 3-4 games before deciding it was good or bad. Especially if he finds a way to fix that WR depth problem too.
I totally agree. Looking back since Dorsey came here, his moves have exceeded my expectations & we are seeing firsthand how a winning FO operates. It's definitely different than we've seen in a LONG time. Let's see what happens.
Mike
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I would wait to see how it works over the next 3-4 games before deciding it was good or bad. Especially if he finds a way to fix that WR depth problem too.
I totally agree. Looking back since Dorsey came here, his moves have exceeded my expectations & we are seeing firsthand how a winning FO operates. It's definitely different than we've seen in a LONG time. Let's see what happens.
Mike
I totally agree. Looking back since Dorsey came here, his moves have exceeded my expectations & we are seeing firsthand how a winning FO operates. It's definitely different than we've seen in a LONG time. Let's see what happens.
Mike
All I can say is "KC"!!
Now wouldn't we like to look like them a couple of years down the road? They are feared!!!!
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I just hope our front office understands we're going to have yet another rookie at a key position. Rookie QB, CB, RB, LT, multiple WRs, and don't forget Kicker. That's a ton of youth at some pretty important places on the team. And rookie RBs tend to fumble, so I hope Chubb protects it.
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And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
Makes sense being that Chubb's pass pro consistency needs improvement to warrant 2/3 of the reps right now. Not only that, we're counting on inexperienced WRs and unemployed/practice squad WR types to help Mayfield so Duke's receiving skills and experience are needed. As it stands, 1/3 of the reps will be a pretty big increase in Chubb's work load. It'll be interesting to see if we can remain #5 overall in rushing.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I just hope our front office understands we're going to have yet another rookie at a key position. Rookie QB, CB, RB, LT, multiple WRs, and don't forget Kicker. That's a ton of youth at some pretty important places on the team. And rookie RBs tend to fumble, so I hope Chubb protects it.
I just hope our front office understands we're going to have yet another rookie at a key position. Rookie QB, CB, RB, LT, multiple WRs, and don't forget Kicker. That's a ton of youth at some pretty important places on the team. And rookie RBs tend to fumble, so I hope Chubb protects it.
Unfortunately that's the case, due in good part by the fact that (for example) the 2016 Browns draft produced two starters out of NINE picks the Browns had in Rounds 1-4. So much of that draft isn't even on the Browns anymore. The 2015 Browns draft produced one player (Duke Johnson) of the seven picks in Rounds 1-4 that is even on the roster anymore.
So drafts that would put players in their 3rd and 4th season, players that would be young but experienced, and CHEAP, have virtually little to no production for the 2018 Browns.
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And for those talking about Chubb being the #1... here's the new depth chart.
RB - Duke Johnson Jr. - Nick Chubb - Dontrell Hilliard
Makes sense being that Chubb's pass pro consistency needs improvement to warrant 2/3 of the reps right now. Not only that, we're counting on inexperienced WRs and unemployed/practice squad WR types to help Mayfield so Duke's receiving skills and experience are needed. As it stands, 1/3 of the reps will be a pretty big increase in Chubb's work load. It'll be interesting to see if we can remain #5 overall in rushing.
Makes sense being that Chubb's pass pro consistency needs improvement to warrant 2/3 of the reps right now. Not only that, we're counting on inexperienced WRs and unemployed/practice squad WR types to help Mayfield so Duke's receiving skills and experience are needed. As it stands, 1/3 of the reps will be a pretty big increase in Chubb's work load. It'll be interesting to see if we can remain #5 overall in rushing.
I think we'll be ok as other Ds will have to respect Duke's receiving skills, which can also help our run game. We'll soon see.
Mike
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