No one talking about the targeting hit on mayfield?
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had baker stayed upright he would have been hit lower. He started his slide late. In real time i thought for sure penalty but when they replsyed it, like i said i dont want qb's that coddled.
but the rule is a defender may not lower the crown of his helmet and that go's for any player,,so again i asked how could you or anyone for that matter be o.k with that
but the rule is a defender may not lower the crown of his helmet and that go's for any player,,so again i asked how could you or anyone for that matter be o.k with that
goes against the "heads up" tackling technique the NFL is trying to enforce. Both players are lucky to walk away from that hit with no injuries. It's frustrating when the NFL is so inconsistent with their calls, getting ridiculous now.
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IMO the most disturbing part of it all is that despite the official closest to the hit throwing his flag - the referee over-ruling him and waiving it off started that play positioned in our backfield 5-7 yards behind Baker and didn't move downfield until after Baker crossed the LOS. Not only that, when Baker crossed from 1 side of the field to the other - the Referee that is trailing the action looks for blocks in the back and holding on all the pursuit also crossing from 1 side to the other. In other words, there were a lot of obstructions and distractions for the Ref to see through in order to have a superior view that would enable him to waive off the flag.
Now, add the hit Garrett had on the 260 lb Roethlisberger OUTSIDE of the pocket which gave them a first and goal inside our 5 yard line instead of the FG they should have had. They got a TD from it instead of just 3 points in a game that went into OT. Over the years, how many times has Roethlisberger broken arm tackles outside of the pocket run or pass?
There's 2 of our OT games where the BAD calls went against this team coming off an 0-16 season where bullshitt apologies mean nothing more than "it's only the Cleveland Browns." Until I see otherwise from this league - they don't give me too many reasons to feel otherwise. Please spare me the lectures of all teams get bad calls against them because it's not nearly as frequent as this team takes it up the dumpster from them. They also made sure they weren't going to allow Derek Carr's fumble that would have provided the game over knockout punch. There's 3 wins they've taken from our players IMO.
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Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
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Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
When these players are working hard to be thought of as something better than the 0-16 record many in this country still see them as - it sure would have been nice if Garrett's hit on Ben outside of the pocket didn't get flagged (ultimately giving Pitt a TD instead of the FG they would have settled on). That's a 4 point swing on a game that wouldn't have required OT. It would have been just as nice if the Referee didn't over rule the official not only in better position of the hit but also exhibiting better understanding of what is supposed to be a HUGE priority to enforce. Instead, it sure seems like officiating crews are still defaulting to "it's only the Cleveland Browns that never make the playoffs anyway." I wish I could feel different but there's also the Derek Carr fumble which would have been the knockout punch that would ended the comeback. That's 3 wins I count taken out of this team's hands. YES, all teams have bad calls go against them but none of them are coming off an 0-16 football season in terms of ability to overcome that.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I've tried to stop complaining about the refs..but I suck at it..The NFL attorneys wrote the true intentions of the rules after the rules committee/Players Union never really agreed to them..The ink has dried.So they can't fix them once in place till next start of league meetings."If" So they have pushed it down to the refs to figure it out.Pushing player safety first.Problem is imo, they made more rules to the ones they already had in place.never a good idea and some never knew those rules. Some refs retired seeing this coming. Now the confusion lies "what is the right call of option a,b or c" and TV Replay judges are not helping any of this with fans..As a fan, most blame the man we see blowing the whistles..but somebody wrote that rule into the rulebook,Where's that Guy? President Alberto Riveron..also first year on the job
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
NO
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Damn, and to think I remember 'head on tackle' drills when I played football.
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Two things about this:
1. I can't be the only person who could see that Mayfield was going to get killed on that play from a mile away. I literally yelled: "GET THE Shmuck DOWN BAKER!" just before his head was used as target practice.
2. I would pay good money to be able to sit down with Clay Matthews Jr. and show him that play, the refs picking up the flag, and the explanation that a QB cannot be tackled in a perfect wrap-up manner if an ounce of body weight from the tackler is laid upon the QB, but yes Virginia, you CAN you use your head as a missile when tackling a scrambling QB.
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This is ironic in several ways. It was posted on Saturday, so before the game. Ed Hoculi's son was the referee for the Browns game on Sunday. Maybe he needs to watch his dad explain the rule a few times.
NFL Officiating@NFLOfficiatingThere are three requirements officials are looking at when it comes to the Use of Helmet foul. 28-year @NFL official Ed Hochuli breaks it down: -
Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
When these players are working hard to be thought of as something better than the 0-16 record many in this country still see them as - it sure would have been nice if Garrett's hit on Ben outside of the pocket didn't get flagged (ultimately giving Pitt a TD instead of the FG they would have settled on). That's a 4 point swing on a game that wouldn't have required OT. It would have been just as nice if the Referee didn't over rule the official not only in better position of the hit but also exhibiting better understanding of what is supposed to be a HUGE priority to enforce. Instead, it sure seems like officiating crews are still defaulting to "it's only the Cleveland Browns that never make the playoffs anyway." I wish I could feel different but there's also the Derek Carr fumble which would have been the knockout punch that would ended the comeback. That's 3 wins I count taken out of this team's hands. YES, all teams have bad calls go against them but none of them are coming off an 0-16 football season in terms of ability to overcome that.
When these players are working hard to be thought of as something better than the 0-16 record many in this country still see them as - it sure would have been nice if Garrett's hit on Ben outside of the pocket didn't get flagged (ultimately giving Pitt a TD instead of the FG they would have settled on). That's a 4 point swing on a game that wouldn't have required OT. It would have been just as nice if the Referee didn't over rule the official not only in better position of the hit but also exhibiting better understanding of what is supposed to be a HUGE priority to enforce. Instead, it sure seems like officiating crews are still defaulting to "it's only the Cleveland Browns that never make the playoffs anyway." I wish I could feel different but there's also the Derek Carr fumble which would have been the knockout punch that would ended the comeback. That's 3 wins I count taken out of this team's hands. YES, all teams have bad calls go against them but none of them are coming off an 0-16 football season in terms of ability to overcome that.
It wasn't just that targeting on Baker, Flugs. I saw it, and you probably did too. the phantom defensive holding, roughing the qb, and Mayfield "in the grasp". It looked like the fix was on to the the Yucks the game, by any means possible...
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While I believe Browns fans are the worst at blaming their woes on the refs, the hit on Mayfield was a violation, in every aspect of the rule. It is disgusting, NOT idiotic, it is disgusting on many fronts.
I am sick to the point of vomiting when I see how many of their fahking thugs lower their heads to tackle. I watched some show on HBO SPorts about the Monsters of the Midway, Butkus, Eller, White, Green, Greer, Lambert and Ham......NONE of them lowered their head in making tackles. When the fauchk did this disgusting bastardization of football start? How is it that so many of these scumtards lower their heads knowing it is illegal, and seeing the spinal injuries it causes?
The no-call on Baker was despicable. The refs confused incidental head-to-head that is allowed when a QB becomes a runner, then the purposeful lowering of the head.
Frankly, in my humble opinion, the first violation of a hit with lower head should be given a 4-week suspension with no pay. The second violation gets a year suspension with no pay. The third violation gets expulsion from the league.You can be sure if Brady got hit like that, the refs would have been all over it.
Sad. It is sad what these azzhole refs have done to the game.
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While I believe Browns fans are the worst at blaming their woes on the refs, the hit on Mayfield was a violation, in every aspect of the rule. It is disgusting, NOT idiotic, it is disgusting on many fronts.
I am sick to the point of vomiting when I see how many of their fahking thugs lower their heads to tackle. I watched some show on HBO SPorts about the Monsters of the Midway, Butkus, Eller, White, Green, Greer, Lambert and Ham......NONE of them lowered their head in making tackles. When the fauchk did this disgusting bastardization of football start? How is it that so many of these scumtards lower their heads knowing it is illegal, and seeing the spinal injuries it causes?
The no-call on Baker was despicable. The refs confused incidental head-to-head that is allowed when a QB becomes a runner, then the purposeful lowering of the head.
Frankly, in my humble opinion, the first violation of a hit with lower head should be given a 4-week suspension with no pay. The second violation gets a year suspension with no pay. The third violation gets expulsion from the league.You can be sure if Brady got hit like that, the refs would have been all over it.
Sad. It is sad what these azzhole refs have done to the game.
While I believe Browns fans are the worst at blaming their woes on the refs, the hit on Mayfield was a violation, in every aspect of the rule. It is disgusting, NOT idiotic, it is disgusting on many fronts.
I am sick to the point of vomiting when I see how many of their fahking thugs lower their heads to tackle. I watched some show on HBO SPorts about the Monsters of the Midway, Butkus, Eller, White, Green, Greer, Lambert and Ham......NONE of them lowered their head in making tackles. When the fauchk did this disgusting bastardization of football start? How is it that so many of these scumtards lower their heads knowing it is illegal, and seeing the spinal injuries it causes?
The no-call on Baker was despicable. The refs confused incidental head-to-head that is allowed when a QB becomes a runner, then the purposeful lowering of the head.
Frankly, in my humble opinion, the first violation of a hit with lower head should be given a 4-week suspension with no pay. The second violation gets a year suspension with no pay. The third violation gets expulsion from the league.You can be sure if Brady got hit like that, the refs would have been all over it.
Sad. It is sad what these azzhole refs have done to the game.
It's not the refs.. Its Fawking GOD'ell who is systematically ruining the integrity of the NFL itself.. And the way the game is , and should be played.... He is taking the honor and dynamics of the game and turning into a free for all money grab for the owners and for the players and fleecing the fans at the same time... The problem is simply because the NFL is kind of like an in house monopoly.. With no real competition for TV and concession revenue.... It's simply become a farce of what it started out from...
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IMO the most disturbing part of it all is that despite the official closest to the hit throwing his flag - the referee over-ruling him and waiving it off started that play positioned in our backfield 5-7 yards behind Baker and didn't move downfield until after Baker crossed the LOS. Not only that, when Baker crossed from 1 side of the field to the other - the Referee that is trailing the action looks for blocks in the back and holding on all the pursuit also crossing from 1 side to the other. In other words, there were a lot of obstructions and distractions for the Ref to see through in order to have a superior view that would enable him to waive off the flag.
Now, add the hit Garrett had on the 260 lb Roethlisberger OUTSIDE of the pocket which gave them a first and goal inside our 5 yard line instead of the FG they should have had. They got a TD from it instead of just 3 points in a game that went into OT. Over the years, how many times has Roethlisberger broken arm tackles outside of the pocket run or pass?
There's 2 of our OT games where the BAD calls went against this team coming off an 0-16 season where bullshitt apologies mean nothing more than "it's only the Cleveland Browns." Until I see otherwise from this league - they don't give me too many reasons to feel otherwise. Please spare me the lectures of all teams get bad calls against them because it's not nearly as frequent as this team takes it up the dumpster from them. They also made sure they weren't going to allow Derek Carr's fumble that would have provided the game over knockout punch. There's 3 wins they've taken from our players IMO.
IMO the most disturbing part of it all is that despite the official closest to the hit throwing his flag - the referee over-ruling him and waiving it off started that play positioned in our backfield 5-7 yards behind Baker and didn't move downfield until after Baker crossed the LOS. Not only that, when Baker crossed from 1 side of the field to the other - the Referee that is trailing the action looks for blocks in the back and holding on all the pursuit also crossing from 1 side to the other. In other words, there were a lot of obstructions and distractions for the Ref to see through in order to have a superior view that would enable him to waive off the flag.
ya know, the more i watch this play sadly, Baker should have blown up like a fake soccer player called Ben Brady..Instead, in his anger he sprung to his feet..FLipping ball 1st to official.Than sharing some words with Whitehead..Do you know if The trailing official you watched is the ref Bake tosses ball to? Ya never know how a ref will react to that. Now I think that the refs saw no injury risk (waiving off player safety) was done on hit, so refs ate that flag calling him a slide feet 1st runner
imo due to Baker's reaction.(lesson learned?).which is the way wrong way to handle that call..thanks...nonetheless that Had to be a great 2nd half to watch live
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While I believe Browns fans are the worst at blaming their woes on the refs, the hit on Mayfield was a violation, in every aspect of the rule. It is disgusting, NOT idiotic, it is disgusting on many fronts.
I am sick to the point of vomiting when I see how many of their fahking thugs lower their heads to tackle. I watched some show on HBO SPorts about the Monsters of the Midway, Butkus, Eller, White, Green, Greer, Lambert and Ham......NONE of them lowered their head in making tackles. When the fauchk did this disgusting bastardization of football start? How is it that so many of these scumtards lower their heads knowing it is illegal, and seeing the spinal injuries it causes?
The no-call on Baker was despicable. The refs confused incidental head-to-head that is allowed when a QB becomes a runner, then the purposeful lowering of the head.
Frankly, in my humble opinion, the first violation of a hit with lower head should be given a 4-week suspension with no pay. The second violation gets a year suspension with no pay. The third violation gets expulsion from the league.You can be sure if Brady got hit like that, the refs would have been all over it.
Sad. It is sad what these azzhole refs have done to the game.
It's not the refs.. Its Fawking GOD'ell who is systematically ruining the integrity of the NFL itself.. And the way the game is , and should be played.... He is taking the honor and dynamics of the game and turning into a free for all money grab for the owners and for the players and fleecing the fans at the same time... The problem is simply because the NFL is kind of like an in house monopoly.. With no real competition for TV and concession revenue.... It's simply become a farce of what it started out from...
It's not the refs.. Its Fawking GOD'ell who is systematically ruining the integrity of the NFL itself.. And the way the game is , and should be played.... He is taking the honor and dynamics of the game and turning into a free for all money grab for the owners and for the players and fleecing the fans at the same time... The problem is simply because the NFL is kind of like an in house monopoly.. With no real competition for TV and concession revenue.... It's simply become a farce of what it started out from...
I have no argument with this. Godell is a piece of schidt. His lack of spine and moral compass has greatly diminished the league. He has allowed thug culture to prevail.
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
Yes and no...
Not all contact to the head has been outlawed... although in Preseason it seemed that it had been.
The keys are the position of the tacklers' helmet and whether a lowered helmet intiates the contact to the "head or neck area" of the player being tackled.
If the tackler both lowers his head and then the crown (or brow) of his helmet strikes his "target's" helmet first , then that is "targeting" and should be flagged with the possibility of ejection.
In this case Baker was clearly targeted.
The problem in the NFL is that calls are not "booth" reviewed in real time as they are in college.
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Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
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