Franken
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O come on now.... Bush vs Gore..... YOU KNOW Gore should have won Florida. Both parties play hardball... sometimes your side is the loser, other times its the winner.
This was for a senatorial position, I think the republicans are still up considering they got 6 years of controlling congress and the white house out of the deal.
Redistricting Texas....... the republicans took control..... It happens.
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Franken is an embarassment. He is far worse then GWB. At least he was a real Governor. Franken is a friking clown. This is the future of the democraps? ROFLMFAO! Dems dead in 2012. Mark it down.
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O come on now.... Bush vs Gore..... YOU KNOW Gore should have won Florida. Both parties play hardball... sometimes your side is the loser, other times its the winner.
This was for a senatorial position, I think the republicans are still up considering they got 6 years of controlling congress and the white house out of the deal.
Redistricting Texas....... the republicans took control..... It happens.
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O come on now.... Bush vs Gore..... YOU KNOW Gore should have won Florida...
Ridiculous Sev. Gore tried what Franken got away with. Gore just didn't succeed in stealing the election.
Bush won every time.
This time, Franken lost, and ended up winning.
Comparing the two is not making your point.
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What is exactly "stupid" steve Wait you mean the comparison to disputed ballots/recounts/court challenges that eventually led to a supreme court hearing and ruling? O wait yes both cases had the EXACT same similarities....
Or you mean the the fact that Bush's Brother and Ms. I want to be a republican ambassador was in control of the recount/voting situation in Florida?
Maybe you missed the "sarcasm" in the statements about "knowing" one way or the other in either case who really won....
This is not about one party vs another more about the corruption of either party and how the voting system can be flawed to either parties advantage.
Whining and crying that Franken stole the election is about as silly as Whining and Crying that Bush Jr. stole the election.... Neither election was so dominant that either could claim victory so in a close situation I am just glad we have some sort of process that does not lead to violence/military action IE Honduras....
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What is exactly "stupid" steve Wait you mean the comparison to disputed ballots/recounts/court challenges that eventually led to a supreme court hearing and ruling? O wait yes both cases had the EXACT same similarities....
Or you mean the the fact that Bush's Brother and Ms. I want to be a republican ambassador was in control of the recount/voting situation in Florida?
Maybe you missed the "sarcasm" in the statements about "knowing" one way or the other in either case who really won....
This is not about one party vs another more about the corruption of either party and how the voting system can be flawed to either parties advantage.
Whining and crying that Franken stole the election is about as silly as Whining and Crying that Bush Jr. stole the election.... Neither election was so dominant that either could claim victory so in a close situation I am just glad we have some sort of process that does not lead to violence/military action IE Honduras....
Neither election was so dominant that either could claim victory so in a close situation I am just glad we have some sort of process that does not lead to violence/military action IE Honduras....
Wait 3 years when obama gets voted out.
i can see it now, Rodney King riots every major city
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Neither election was so dominant that either could claim victory so in a close situation I am just glad we have some sort of process that does not lead to violence/military action IE Honduras....
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Obama may be a Honduras leftist pres who may have to be forcibly removed after cancelling our Constitution altogether.
That's how little I think of him as a human being.
He isn't even an American in his outlook, he's a leader of the world's leftists in our country.
He sucks.
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No surprise here. Both Party's cheat and bend whatever they can bend for their benefit.
This was an interesting piece from a mainstream media. However, it will never appear on National TV or 60 Minutes.
This was an interesting piece from a mainstream media. However, it will never appear on National TV or 60 Minutes.
It's from the WSJ editorial page, not the actual reporting side of the paper. There's a big difference.
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Franken is an embarassment. He is far worse then GWB. At least he was a real Governor. Franken is a friking clown. This is the future of the democraps? ROFLMFAO! Dems dead in 2012. Mark it down.
Franken is an embarassment. He is far worse then GWB. At least he was a real Governor. Franken is a friking clown. This is the future of the democraps? ROFLMFAO! Dems dead in 2012. Mark it down.
I wouldn't read too much into this, DieHard.
Remember that MN also elected Jesse Ventura as governor.
It is an 'odd' state and nobody believes that Franken is the future of anything.
It is what it is.
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What is exactly "stupid" steve Wait you mean the comparison to disputed ballots/recounts/court challenges that eventually led to a supreme court hearing and ruling? O wait yes both cases had the EXACT same similarities....
Or you mean the the fact that Bush's Brother and Ms. I want to be a republican ambassador was in control of the recount/voting situation in Florida?
Maybe you missed the "sarcasm" in the statements about "knowing" one way or the other in either case who really won....
This is not about one party vs another more about the corruption of either party and how the voting system can be flawed to either parties advantage.
Whining and crying that Franken stole the election is about as silly as Whining and Crying that Bush Jr. stole the election.... Neither election was so dominant that either could claim victory so in a close situation I am just glad we have some sort of process that does not lead to violence/military action IE Honduras....
What is exactly "stupid" steve Wait you mean the comparison to disputed ballots/recounts/court challenges that eventually led to a supreme court hearing and ruling? O wait yes both cases had the EXACT same similarities....
Or you mean the the fact that Bush's Brother and Ms. I want to be a republican ambassador was in control of the recount/voting situation in Florida?
Maybe you missed the "sarcasm" in the statements about "knowing" one way or the other in either case who really won....
This is not about one party vs another more about the corruption of either party and how the voting system can be flawed to either parties advantage.
Whining and crying that Franken stole the election is about as silly as Whining and Crying that Bush Jr. stole the election....
Which you guys have been doing for 9 years without any evidence.
Neither election was so dominant that either could claim victory so in a close situation I am just glad we have some sort of process that does not lead to violence/military action IE Honduras....
What is stupid is that I have no doubt Bush won Florida.
What evidence do you have otherwise?
None.
With the exception of a few most of the elections boards were Dems.
So if they are in charge of tossing a vote here and there sooner or later the count changes.
I assume Coleman won Minn and after months of dirty work voila.
I also asume the Dems in Florida were going to apply the same crooked count and after time a lotta votes would be miraculously found OR disappeared.
SC just said enough is enough.
But hey you have 60 Sev.
Time to fire up the excuse machine in earnest.
WSS
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I dont have squat Steve, you make an assumption of my party affiliation. I am a fiscal conservative first, social progressive second, military realist third.
I technically fit more toward the old GOP than toward new Dem politics. I more align with Colin Powell overall than Obama.
You dont have any evidence and neither do the dems that either party really won the florida election fairly. BOTH parties were up to shenanigans, one just happen to win out in a governor and secretary of state in influence.
I dont think Franken taking the 60th seat is as important as most might think, two dem senators are ill and their are a host of conservative dems that side with corporate america easily.
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I dont have squat Steve, you make an assumption of my party affiliation. I am a fiscal conservative first, social progressive second, military realist third.
I technically fit more toward the old GOP than toward new Dem politics. I more align with Colin Powell overall than Obama.
You dont have any evidence and neither do the dems that either party really won the florida election fairly. BOTH parties were up to shenanigans, one just happen to win out in a governor and secretary of state in influence.
I dont think Franken taking the 60th seat is as important as most might think, two dem senators are ill and their are a host of conservative dems that side with corporate america easily.
I dont have squat Steve, you make an assumption of my party affiliation. I am a fiscal conservative first, social progressive second, military realist third.
I make the assumption from your last years worth of posts. And the reality that you voted for the least fiscally conservative candidate in decades.
I technically fit more toward the old GOP than toward new Dem politics. I more align with Colin Powell overall than Obama.
Don't buy it. See above.
You dont have any evidence and neither do the dems that either party really won the florida election fairly.
Yes we do.
Bush won and the dems griped.
Pue and simple. What "dirty tricks" do you claim?
Hell if you want to play word games you can't "prove" Obama won fairly.
BOTH parties were up to shenanigans, one just happen to win out in a governor and secretary of state in influence.
I dont think Franken taking the 60th seat is as important as most might think, two dem senators are ill and their are a host of conservative dems that side with corporate america easily.
And we hate corporate America because...?
WSS
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you can buy whatever you want, I have and run multiple small/medium size business. Taxes affect me a TON
I served active duty and truly understand how violent the world really is and the need for smart military presence.
My problem is with Healthcare which for me is based on My morals and outlook on social standards, I happen to believe in balance in most aspects in life which also leads me to believe in being as envirementally balanced as I can be.
I have children and dont believe I need to live in such a way that can hurt their future. Koreans by culture are VERY conservative fiscally and socially.
I just happen to believe that it is my duty to contribute as much as i can to those who do not have as much. I believe I have a moral imperative to lead by example.
I am not a "christian" by any measure but that does not mean I am not socially conservative, just because I dont believe in judging others and enforcing my beliefs on others again does not mean I am not socially conservative.
My children at 10-11 still dont get to play ANY violent video games, they go with me to donate and give back to charity organizations. I have been called to task for being too strict on my children. They call EVERY stranger or non family Maam and Sir.
I dont like this defecit spending at all and extremely worried about inflation, I also worry about the added debt load and how this will affect our currency/etc...
I just dont see very many other options when we faced almost certain economic collapse when Obama was elected.
My posts on Bush Jr. was driven because he was SO UNLIKE his father and quite frankly my belief that if you cant run a business you are NOT qualified to be POTUS. I did not like Clinton, I liked Perot and Bush SR..... I really respect Mccain but Palin was too much like Bush for me.
You can try to pigeon hole me all you like.... good luck with that.
I am going to refuse to open up the Bush vs Gore Florida debacle because quite frankly there is loads of arguments and facts on BOTH sides that BOTH were up to no good and trying to influence the situation one way or the other. I do believe that Gore would and should have won Florida but it does not matter anymore.
Funny thing is that I HATE the welfare system as it is and think it needs to be massively adjusted to TEMPORARILY help, just like Unemployment which RUNS out.
I hate Affirmative action..... for all kinds of reason. I think it cheapens Minorities and lessens accomplishments of others like me who WORK HARD and earn it scholastically and professionally. I think its reverse racism and waters down our education system.
I dont like NEOCON's because I think their ideology is too mixed up with Religous mumbo jumbo and military interventionism to preempt POSSIBLE threats is quite frankly STUPID. That does not mean I am a liberal.
I just happen to believe in a Secular government and I dont care what other people do or who they do it with... its not my job to judge them.
So call me a "lib" or a "dem" or "left" leaning which is completely not true if you want because of my positions on specific platforms. Its not accurate but if it makes you feel like you analyzed my posts and now can discern my social/financial/political leanings go ahead.
I suggest you stay in Music because your analytic skills need some work.
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Perhaps, then, Sev, you might grow a little into yourself, and allow us to have different viewpoints on issues,
and NOT PIGEONHOLE us as "neocons", too.
But, with most liberals, what they believe in, is trying to coerce others into actually having to DO what THEY believe in.
"Don't tread on me" gotta find myself some of those bumper stickers...
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Perhaps, then, Sev, you might grow a little into yourself, and allow us to have different viewpoints on issues,
and NOT PIGEONHOLE us as "neocons", too.
But, with most liberals, what they believe in, is trying to coerce others into actually having to DO what THEY believe in.
"Don't tread on me" gotta find myself some of those bumper stickers...
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Cal unfortunately in order to be a Bona fide Neocon you are pigeonholed on foreign policy and domestic issues because well Neoconservative platforms are so narrow.
The neocon platform has pretty much been proven to be fatally flawed both in domestic economics and foreign policy. Let it go.....
I dont pigeonhole Right leaning individuals because there are too many variances depending on what specific policy etc... But Neoconservatives is a VERY specifc movement.
I am sorry Cal if you are one because your entire premise has pretty much collapse and proven proof positive flawed.
I dont know if this is just your online persona....... which I think a lot of it is, but IF you are a right leaning self determining individualist you dont have to keep riding a wrecked train. Neocon positions are pretty much well done.... The christian influence will always have some movement but the secular crowd is only growing and diminishing that influence.
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you can buy whatever you want, I have and run multiple small/medium size business. Taxes affect me a TON
I served active duty and truly understand how violent the world really is and the need for smart military presence.
My problem is with Healthcare which for me is based on My morals and outlook on social standards, I happen to believe in balance in most aspects in life which also leads me to believe in being as envirementally balanced as I can be.
I have children and dont believe I need to live in such a way that can hurt their future. Koreans by culture are VERY conservative fiscally and socially.
I just happen to believe that it is my duty to contribute as much as i can to those who do not have as much. I believe I have a moral imperative to lead by example.
I am not a "christian" by any measure but that does not mean I am not socially conservative, just because I dont believe in judging others and enforcing my beliefs on others again does not mean I am not socially conservative.
My children at 10-11 still dont get to play ANY violent video games, they go with me to donate and give back to charity organizations. I have been called to task for being too strict on my children. They call EVERY stranger or non family Maam and Sir.
I dont like this defecit spending at all and extremely worried about inflation, I also worry about the added debt load and how this will affect our currency/etc...
I just dont see very many other options when we faced almost certain economic collapse when Obama was elected.
My posts on Bush Jr. was driven because he was SO UNLIKE his father and quite frankly my belief that if you cant run a business you are NOT qualified to be POTUS. I did not like Clinton, I liked Perot and Bush SR..... I really respect Mccain but Palin was too much like Bush for me.
You can try to pigeon hole me all you like.... good luck with that.
I am going to refuse to open up the Bush vs Gore Florida debacle because quite frankly there is loads of arguments and facts on BOTH sides that BOTH were up to no good and trying to influence the situation one way or the other. I do believe that Gore would and should have won Florida but it does not matter anymore.
Funny thing is that I HATE the welfare system as it is and think it needs to be massively adjusted to TEMPORARILY help, just like Unemployment which RUNS out.
I hate Affirmative action..... for all kinds of reason. I think it cheapens Minorities and lessens accomplishments of others like me who WORK HARD and earn it scholastically and professionally. I think its reverse racism and waters down our education system.
I dont like NEOCON's because I think their ideology is too mixed up with Religous mumbo jumbo and military interventionism to preempt POSSIBLE threats is quite frankly STUPID. That does not mean I am a liberal.
I just happen to believe in a Secular government and I dont care what other people do or who they do it with... its not my job to judge them.
So call me a "lib" or a "dem" or "left" leaning which is completely not true if you want because of my positions on specific platforms. Its not accurate but if it makes you feel like you analyzed my posts and now can discern my social/financial/political leanings go ahead.
I suggest you stay in Music because your analytic skills need some work.
I am not a "christian" by any measure but that does not mean I am not socially conservative, just because I dont believe in judging others and enforcing my beliefs on others ..
You can try to pigeon hole me all you like.... good luck with that.
Post of the decade.
Pardon me, I've got to study up so I can renew my bible thumping license.
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1. mz the pussy, please explain how I tread over anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to the Bible.
I don't even go to church anymore, myself.
2. Sev, your opinion of "narrow" is wrong, but it doesn't matter. You chose details to exclude
you from being labled, iyho, but you disregard any details that might also exclude others of us
from being labeled.
3. If you two are looking for a fight, go ahead and fight somebody else, I/we are still rebandaging my forearm
from the eh... accident... and I sneeze in you liberal direction anyways.
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