Josh Gordon Traded to Pats
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I'm too lazy to look it up, and I'm not into personal vendettas on the board, but somebody on here jumped my azz for saying I'd trade a first round pick for Amari Cooper. That I was crazy, it would never happen, and it's a good thing I don't run a team. Yeah....well....it happened.
Amari Coooper is 24 years old and a two-time probowler. He's just one year older than rookie Calvin Ridley. I think it's a smart move, and I seriously believe we'll start seeing moves like this happen more in the future. I see draft picks as starting to be somewhat devalued, and logic coming into place. Forever GM's didn't want to give up picks because that took the fun out of there job come draft season. Do I have proof of this? No, but I think I'm right. The Cowboys are drafting (probably) around the middle of the first round. Is there a guarantee the Cowboys can get someone better than Amari there? Nope.
Anyway, I don't want our team to part with a first, but I'd love to find a way to get another WR in Cleveland, even if it's Terrell Pryor.
Sorry if I see it differently. (I think Tour does too) Desperation move by Jerrah to salvage the season. Betting it will come back to bite them in the azz.
Let me give you some reverse history. Back a few years we gave Dallas next year's first round pick so we could move up to draft yet another bum QB (Brady Quinn). Where that pick landed gave the Cowboys their choice of three pro bowl running backs.
Dorsey has done a fine job drafting so far, and you had better believe he was averse to giving up a potential top ten pick for Cooper. Julio Jones he ain't.
Sorry if I see it differently. (I think Tour does too) Desperation move by Jerrah to salvage the season. Betting it will come back to bite them in the azz.
Let me give you some reverse history. Back a few years we gave Dallas next year's first round pick so we could move up to draft yet another bum QB (Brady Quinn). Where that pick landed gave the Cowboys their choice of three pro bowl running backs.
Dorsey has done a fine job drafting so far, and you had better believe he was averse to giving up a potential top ten pick for Cooper. Julio Jones he ain't.
Yeah, I totally get that. I would say in almost every circumstance, trading a first rounder isn't a good idea (unless it's a QB), especially if you're a team like the Browns where the pick is probably going to be on the higher side. That being said, suppose we identified WR as being the biggest need of our team, and one of the few positions we planned on targeting in the first or second round of the draft. Doesn't it make sense to trade that first rounder for a known commodity, rather than draft an unknown? Don't get me wrong, I don't put Amari Cooper on the Julio Jones level, but I have flashes of Corey Coleman in my head. Would it be better to trade for Amari, or get stuck with a Corey? That make sense?
Anyways, we're not trading our first rounder, I just don't see it. I'm basing this on the fact we didn't make a more competitive offer for Khalil Mack. I know the Bears gave up a lot, but I wouldn't have minded if we did the same trade. I cannot even imagine watching Garrett and Mack on the same field. Yeesh.
I guess the good news is I feel like Dorsey knows what he's doing. I haven't felt that way about our management in a LONG TIME. Do I agree with everything? Of course not, but I like what he did with the roster in just one year, and I'm excited about what he'll do in the future. That feels good to say. I think Dorsey screwed up with Nassib (we basically cut Nassib to make room for a guy who doesn't even dress every week). I personally disagreed about the Gordon debacle (not trying to start a debate, just saying my opinion), and there have been other things, but for the most part, we're a better football team with more talent, and that's the goal.
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I'm too lazy to look it up, and I'm not into personal vendettas on the board, but somebody on here jumped my azz for saying I'd trade a first round pick for Amari Cooper. That I was crazy, it would never happen, and it's a good thing I don't run a team. Yeah....well....it happened.
Amari Coooper is 24 years old and a two-time probowler. He's just one year older than rookie Calvin Ridley. I think it's a smart move, and I seriously believe we'll start seeing moves like this happen more in the future. I see draft picks as starting to be somewhat devalued, and logic coming into place. Forever GM's didn't want to give up picks because that took the fun out of there job come draft season. Do I have proof of this? No, but I think I'm right. The Cowboys are drafting (probably) around the middle of the first round. Is there a guarantee the Cowboys can get someone better than Amari there? Nope.
Anyway, I don't want our team to part with a first, but I'd love to find a way to get another WR in Cleveland, even if it's Terrell Pryor.
I'm too lazy to look it up, and I'm not into personal vendettas on the board, but somebody on here jumped my azz for saying I'd trade a first round pick for Amari Cooper. That I was crazy, it would never happen, and it's a good thing I don't run a team. Yeah....well....it happened.
Amari Coooper is 24 years old and a two-time probowler. He's just one year older than rookie Calvin Ridley. I think it's a smart move, and I seriously believe we'll start seeing moves like this happen more in the future. I see draft picks as starting to be somewhat devalued, and logic coming into place. Forever GM's didn't want to give up picks because that took the fun out of there job come draft season. Do I have proof of this? No, but I think I'm right. The Cowboys are drafting (probably) around the middle of the first round. Is there a guarantee the Cowboys can get someone better than Amari there? Nope.
Anyway, I don't want our team to part with a first, but I'd love to find a way to get another WR in Cleveland, even if it's Terrell Pryor.
I don't know if I would have given up a first rounder for Amari Cooper.....but I would have done so for Alice Cooper!
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Raiders won that trade. Cooper is a solid WR, but unless you’re name is AB, Jones, OBJ...a first rounder is too much.
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Not that extreme... Chark only has 8 catches on 18 targets for 118 yards.
JAX has Cole, Moncrief and Westbrook in front of him.
And most importantly JAX is (or should be) desperate to save a season that they went into as a favorite to make a SB. Even at 3-4 they are only 1 game behind the Texans in the AFCS
The kid has an incredibly high ceiling capped by his current QB plus the fact he is still a rookie.
You believe Jacksonville will somehow have their season saved by using a QB that might be as bad, if not worse than Bortles...?
The kid has an incredibly high ceiling capped by his current QB plus the fact he is still a rookie.
You believe Jacksonville will somehow have their season saved by using a QB that might be as bad, if not worse than Bortles...?
"Ceilings" don't win now.
TT took BUF, a team with a strong D and a run game, to the playoffs last season. The Jags fit that description and if they are benching Bortles in favor of Cody Kessler then they are clearly in panic mode.
It think they'd have to entertain the offer.
Would it save their season? Dunno... but I think it'd improve their odds.
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Raiders won that trade. Cooper is a solid WR, but unless you’re name is AB, Jones, OBJ...a first rounder is too much.
Raiders won that trade. Cooper is a solid WR, but unless you’re name is AB, Jones, OBJ...a first rounder is too much.
Raiders have like 5 first round picks in the next two years. They're going to completely remake their team. Sound familiar? LOL
We got Myles Garrett, David Njoku, Jabril Peppers, Denzel Ward, and Baker Mayfield when we were in a similar situation. I'd say we hit on 4/5, but Peppers being the one pick that just about everybody hated at the time, including myself (even though I tried to talk myself into it). Remember all that talk about using Peppers on offense? LOL LOL. Yeah right.
Still, we rebuilt our team with those picks, and at least 4/5 of those players aren't just solid, but could be allstars. Heck, even Peppers could be special. I mean, Jesus...that fumble Sunday. Uggggggh. And he was JUST starting to return the ball well, too. But you knew it was coming. Peppers muffed one last week, and you could just feel it coming.
Anyways, the Raiders are going to rebuild, and it'll be interesting to see what they do with Carr. He'll get traded sooner than later.
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The kid has an incredibly high ceiling capped by his current QB plus the fact he is still a rookie.
You believe Jacksonville will somehow have their season saved by using a QB that might be as bad, if not worse than Bortles...?
"Ceilings" don't win now.
TT took BUF, a team with a strong D and a run game, to the playoffs last season. The Jags fit that description and if they are benching Bortles in favor of Cody Kessler then they are clearly in panic mode.
It think they'd have to entertain the offer.
Would it save their season? Dunno... but I think it'd improve their odds.
"Ceilings" don't win now.
TT took BUF, a team with a strong D and a run game, to the playoffs last season. The Jags fit that description and if they are benching Bortles in favor of Cody Kessler then they are clearly in panic mode.
It think they'd have to entertain the offer.
Would it save their season? Dunno... but I think it'd improve their odds.
Can't imagine JAX really entertaining Taylor considering they had an up-close look at him in the playoffs and he was in way over his head.
Who knows? Maybe you're right and we'll get a bite.
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You are correct that there are no guarantees in the draft, but...
- we won't be drafting in the middle of the 1st round, and
- there are no guarantees that Cooper will return to the form he showed in his first two years.
The 'Boys are just in a different world. They are looking for a piece to win their division. We aren't there... yet...
Since the league has not suspended him, he must be passing his random drug tests.
There is nothing random about JG's drug tests. He's pissin' for his paycheck at least twice a week.
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Raiders won that trade. Cooper is a solid WR, but unless you’re name is AB, Jones, OBJ...a first rounder is too much.
Raiders have like 5 first round picks in the next two years. They're going to completely remake their team. Sound familiar? LOL
We got Myles Garrett, David Njoku, Jabril Peppers, Denzel Ward, and Baker Mayfield when we were in a similar situation. I'd say we hit on 4/5, but Peppers being the one pick that just about everybody hated at the time, including myself (even though I tried to talk myself into it). Remember all that talk about using Peppers on offense? LOL LOL. Yeah right.
Still, we rebuilt our team with those picks, and at least 4/5 of those players aren't just solid, but could be allstars. Heck, even Peppers could be special. I mean, Jesus...that fumble Sunday. Uggggggh. And he was JUST starting to return the ball well, too. But you knew it was coming. Peppers muffed one last week, and you could just feel it coming.
Anyways, the Raiders are going to rebuild, and it'll be interesting to see what they do with Carr. He'll get traded sooner than later.
Still, we rebuilt our team with those picks, and at least 4/5 of those players aren't just solid, but could be allstars. Heck, even Peppers could be special. I mean, Jesus...that fumble Sunday. Uggggggh. And he was JUST starting to return the ball well, too. But you knew it was coming. Peppers muffed one last week, and you could just feel it coming.
That nuts you mention it, because I sh$% you not I was scared he was gonna muff that one on the catch.
Peppers has struggled but he has showed us the kind of potential he has.
Ravens game he absolutely balled out, and Bucaneers game he was agressive with the returns(yes the fumble sucked) and I remember him making a great open field tackle.
Stockpiling picks isn’t sexy but it’s the smart thing to do for some teams.
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Still, we rebuilt our team with those picks, and at least 4/5 of those players aren't just solid, but could be allstars. Heck, even Peppers could be special. I mean, Jesus...that fumble Sunday. Uggggggh. And he was JUST starting to return the ball well, too. But you knew it was coming. Peppers muffed one last week, and you could just feel it coming.
That nuts you mention it, because I sh$% you not I was scared he was gonna muff that one on the catch.
Peppers has struggled but he has showed us the kind of potential he has.
Ravens game he absolutely balled out, and Bucaneers game he was agressive with the returns(yes the fumble sucked) and I remember him making a great open field tackle.
Stockpiling picks isn’t sexy but it’s the smart thing to do for some teams.
That nuts you mention it, because I sh$% you not I was scared he was gonna muff that one on the catch.
Peppers has struggled but he has showed us the kind of potential he has.
Ravens game he absolutely balled out, and Bucaneers game he was agressive with the returns(yes the fumble sucked) and I remember him making a great open field tackle.
Stockpiling picks isn’t sexy but it’s the smart thing to do for some teams.
I know. Maybe it's just the Browns fan in me, but I was terrified of the same thing. I was just waiting for the ball to pop out, and sure as anything, it did. Man I was so freaking sick. Especially after a nice little run back, a big defensive stop, and Uncle Momentum riding shotgun on the Browns bandwagon.
But noooooooooooo. Ball pops out, we've got no chance of recovering it, and Uncle Momentum passes through like a cat fart on a farm. Unbelievable. My wife just looks over at me and says, "WTH is wrong with them baby?! Like, WTH! Why don't they want to win?" LOL
Awwww whatever. Seems like we're making SOME kind of progress, and honestly? I'm just glad my QB isn't hurt. I thought for SURE Baker was concussed after that illegal hit he took. I figured he was definitely out for a few weeks, ya know? I fully expected to hear Baker came down with delayed concussion symptoms like Gaines or Garrett had. But so far, so good! I'm very happy for Baker and glad he's OK.
Man, wouldn't you just be over the moon if Baker and company waltzed into Pittsburgh and brought them the business? Hey, a fan can dream.
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The kid has an incredibly high ceiling capped by his current QB plus the fact he is still a rookie.
You believe Jacksonville will somehow have their season saved by using a QB that might be as bad, if not worse than Bortles...?
"Ceilings" don't win now.
TT took BUF, a team with a strong D and a run game, to the playoffs last season. The Jags fit that description and if they are benching Bortles in favor of Cody Kessler then they are clearly in panic mode.
It think they'd have to entertain the offer.
Would it save their season? Dunno... but I think it'd improve their odds.
"Ceilings" don't win now.
TT took BUF, a team with a strong D and a run game, to the playoffs last season. The Jags fit that description and if they are benching Bortles in favor of Cody Kessler then they are clearly in panic mode.
It think they'd have to entertain the offer.
Would it save their season? Dunno... but I think it'd improve their odds.
Out of left field but I'm shocked there hasn't been more on the Eli Manning to JAX front. Especially with the Gmen having their season in the tank. They know Eli isn't long for their team. Might as well get something out of him now.
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That nuts you mention it, because I sh$% you not I was scared he was gonna muff that one on the catch.
Peppers has struggled but he has showed us the kind of potential he has.
Ravens game he absolutely balled out, and Bucaneers game he was agressive with the returns(yes the fumble sucked) and I remember him making a great open field tackle.
Stockpiling picks isn’t sexy but it’s the smart thing to do for some teams.
I know. Maybe it's just the Browns fan in me, but I was terrified of the same thing. I was just waiting for the ball to pop out, and sure as anything, it did. Man I was so freaking sick. Especially after a nice little run back, a big defensive stop, and Uncle Momentum riding shotgun on the Browns bandwagon.
But noooooooooooo. Ball pops out, we've got no chance of recovering it, and Uncle Momentum passes through like a cat fart on a farm. Unbelievable. My wife just looks over at me and says, "WTH is wrong with them baby?! Like, WTH! Why don't they want to win?" LOL
Awwww whatever. Seems like we're making SOME kind of progress, and honestly? I'm just glad my QB isn't hurt. I thought for SURE Baker was concussed after that illegal hit he took. I figured he was definitely out for a few weeks, ya know? I fully expected to hear Baker came down with delayed concussion symptoms like Gaines or Garrett had. But so far, so good! I'm very happy for Baker and glad he's OK.
Man, wouldn't you just be over the moon if Baker and company waltzed into Pittsburgh and brought them the business? Hey, a fan can dream.
I know. Maybe it's just the Browns fan in me, but I was terrified of the same thing. I was just waiting for the ball to pop out, and sure as anything, it did. Man I was so freaking sick. Especially after a nice little run back, a big defensive stop, and Uncle Momentum riding shotgun on the Browns bandwagon.
But noooooooooooo. Ball pops out, we've got no chance of recovering it, and Uncle Momentum passes through like a cat fart on a farm. Unbelievable. My wife just looks over at me and says, "WTH is wrong with them baby?! Like, WTH! Why don't they want to win?" LOL
Awwww whatever. Seems like we're making SOME kind of progress, and honestly? I'm just glad my QB isn't hurt. I thought for SURE Baker was concussed after that illegal hit he took. I figured he was definitely out for a few weeks, ya know? I fully expected to hear Baker came down with delayed concussion symptoms like Gaines or Garrett had. But so far, so good! I'm very happy for Baker and glad he's OK.
Man, wouldn't you just be over the moon if Baker and company waltzed into Pittsburgh and brought them the business? Hey, a fan can dream.
it would be nice to beat the steelers, but i don't see it happening and hue will be in deep doo doo....as he should be....
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I’m just upset we gave away a 5 star caliber receiver on his last straw for 5th rounder.
Imo it should’ve been a 3rd rounder at very least, Josh needed New England, and the Patriots needed Gordon bad.
Bittersweet to see the guy potentially revive his career in the perfect environment
2 catches and he's an pro bowler? GTFO.
2 catches and he's an pro bowler? GTFO.
josh killed our season....i am quite sure the fo was counting on him to perform the way he is now....that would have taken alot of pressure off of landry....landry is not a stud receiver at all....josh is and unless he has some kind of relapse he will prove it once again....we have no really good wideouts for baker at this point...its ashame....
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Hard pressed to think of a bigger Josh defender round here than me.
I wish Josh well.
I wish him luck.
I wish him sobriety and a long career.
If he achieves those things I'll be happy for him.
If his achieving those things makes others here miserable, then that's their problem.
I'm tired of hearing about their problem.
Tour- I'm with you, if Josh was a 5th round talent, he would have been gone after year one. he got a zillion chances with the Browns, and had it VERY plainly spelled out to him this time what he needed to do to remain a member of the team. He was absolutely on his last strike- and he damn well knew it. If anyone wants to say he screwed up on purpose to get his ticket out of town- so be it. We all know Billy Boy doesn't put up with any BS- it's his way or the Highway.
Oh, I watched the Patsies- Colts game in high speed on tape delay- partly because I had the Pats in the Survivor Pool- The Curmudgeon is still perfect picking the low hanging fruit.
But I digress. Yeah, I saw Josh's TD, and a little sad at what might have been. But it's water under the Bridge. PS- Ghoolie is full of sh it, Tom still has it, and even though I don't like the guy- just give him his props- he's the undisputed GOAT. Brees will probably have all the records after this year, but with the game on the line- pick any QB other than Tom- you're nuts.
Oh trust me, he won't make bets.
He'll make guarantees, but he won't back any of them up.
LOL, actually Po did once upon a time, and lost. I saved him the embarrassment of paying up. Bet him a pair of my Season tickets to any game- Richardson would never sniff 1,200 yards, and 12 TDs when we traded him to the Colts. That's in a season, not a career. I still have the PM saved.
"I'll accept that Hoorta. He might have that BY week 12."
Tour- I'm with you, if Josh was a 5th round talent, he would have been gone after year one. he got a zillion chances with the Browns, and had it VERY plainly spelled out to him this time what he needed to do to remain a member of the team. He was absolutely on his last strike- and he damn well knew it. If anyone wants to say he screwed up on purpose to get his ticket out of town- so be it. We all know Billy Boy doesn't put up with any BS- it's his way or the Highway.
Oh, I watched the Patsies- Colts game in high speed on tape delay- partly because I had the Pats in the Survivor Pool- The Curmudgeon is still perfect picking the low hanging fruit.
But I digress. Yeah, I saw Josh's TD, and a little sad at what might have been. But it's water under the Bridge. PS- Ghoolie is full of sh it, Tom still has it, and even though I don't like the guy- just give him his props- he's the undisputed GOAT. Brees will probably have all the records after this year, but with the game on the line- pick any QB other than Tom- you're nuts.
LOL, actually Po did once upon a time, and lost. I saved him the embarrassment of paying up. Bet him a pair of my Season tickets to any game- Richardson would never sniff 1,200 yards, and 12 TDs when we traded him to the Colts. That's in a season, not a career. I still have the PM saved.
"I'll accept that Hoorta. He might have that BY week 12."
i think gordon just wanted out for whatever reason...who knows...probably saw all the cowpoop taking place and figured there will be alot more losing seasons....especially with the division we play in...guess he just wanted to be with a winner....he now has his chance at a sb...we will see if he blows it or not....
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Alright now fellas.
Let's put it in a way that is easy to understand. Again, I am one of the ones who has stood up for the man.
180 Receptions, 3,106 Yards, 16 TDs.
That is an average of 29.4 catches, 507.1 Yards, and 2.94 TDs
That is what he produced while on the Cleveland Browns.
That cant be disputed. There is a difference in talent and potential vs actual reliance and production.
I already KNOW what you guys will say, his averages are way higher than that. Yes, in the games he actually played in they are, but you CANNOT leaves those others out. Not when he is your best player and not reliable. Or let's just forget the statistical numbers. Something NOBODY can even try to refute.
41 Games played, 98 Games he has been a Cleveland Brown. 41.8% of the games.
Again, I couldn't care less if anyone is a player guy. Even rose colored glasses for those players. But overlooking things when it doesnt support your argument is being disingenuous.
I do not believe that ANYONE on here has said that Mr. Gordon wasnt extremely talented. But aside from the fact of all the problems, NOBODY knows what he is at this point in his career. In his last 6 games played: 19 receptions, 352 Yards, 2 TD. OR 3.167 Receptions, 58.67 Yards, .33 TDs.
I would almost guarantee that if another receiver put up those numbers you would be saying he isnt doing good, but because Josh has so much talent and he was great 5 Years ago, you give him a pass.
Or let's compare, one WR that MOST think has a horrendous season last year and just retired, Eric Decker. He also played hurt, and showed up and was reliable.
Last 6 Games: 23 Receptions, 260 Yards, 0 TDs
Or how about someone most have never heard of Adam Humphries. So he obviously doesnt equate the the TALENT/POTENTIAL of JG. He only started 1 of those last 6 games.
26 Receptions, 292 Yards, 1 TD
Alright now fellas.
Let's put it in a way that is easy to understand. Again, I am one of the ones who has stood up for the man.
180 Receptions, 3,106 Yards, 16 TDs.
That is an average of 29.4 catches, 507.1 Yards, and 2.94 TDs
That is what he produced while on the Cleveland Browns.
That cant be disputed. There is a difference in talent and potential vs actual reliance and production.
I already KNOW what you guys will say, his averages are way higher than that. Yes, in the games he actually played in they are, but you CANNOT leaves those others out. Not when he is your best player and not reliable. Or let's just forget the statistical numbers. Something NOBODY can even try to refute.
41 Games played, 98 Games he has been a Cleveland Brown. 41.8% of the games.
Again, I couldn't care less if anyone is a player guy. Even rose colored glasses for those players. But overlooking things when it doesnt support your argument is being disingenuous.
I do not believe that ANYONE on here has said that Mr. Gordon wasnt extremely talented. But aside from the fact of all the problems, NOBODY knows what he is at this point in his career. In his last 6 games played: 19 receptions, 352 Yards, 2 TD. OR 3.167 Receptions, 58.67 Yards, .33 TDs.
I would almost guarantee that if another receiver put up those numbers you would be saying he isnt doing good, but because Josh has so much talent and he was great 5 Years ago, you give him a pass.
Or let's compare, one WR that MOST think has a horrendous season last year and just retired, Eric Decker. He also played hurt, and showed up and was reliable.
Last 6 Games: 23 Receptions, 260 Yards, 0 TDs
Or how about someone most have never heard of Adam Humphries. So he obviously doesnt equate the the TALENT/POTENTIAL of JG. He only started 1 of those last 6 games.
26 Receptions, 292 Yards, 1 TD
you are right....stats don't lie...but shitty qb's don't lie either...they are shitty....with the Shmucked up qbs we had while he was here....those are amazing number.....lets see how he does with one of the best in the biz.....only thing is ol tom has many good wideouts and you cannot satisfy them all....so we will see how many chances he gets...who knows, he may jump ahead of edelman, gronk etc as the number 1 guy...
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Fu ck Gordon. He's gone.
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Alright now fellas.
Let's put it in a way that is easy to understand. Again, I am one of the ones who has stood up for the man.
180 Receptions, 3,106 Yards, 16 TDs.
That is an average of 29.4 catches, 507.1 Yards, and 2.94 TDs
That is what he produced while on the Cleveland Browns.
That cant be disputed. There is a difference in talent and potential vs actual reliance and production.
I already KNOW what you guys will say, his averages are way higher than that. Yes, in the games he actually played in they are, but you CANNOT leaves those others out. Not when he is your best player and not reliable. Or let's just forget the statistical numbers. Something NOBODY can even try to refute.
41 Games played, 98 Games he has been a Cleveland Brown. 41.8% of the games.
Again, I couldn't care less if anyone is a player guy. Even rose colored glasses for those players. But overlooking things when it doesnt support your argument is being disingenuous.
I do not believe that ANYONE on here has said that Mr. Gordon wasnt extremely talented. But aside from the fact of all the problems, NOBODY knows what he is at this point in his career. In his last 6 games played: 19 receptions, 352 Yards, 2 TD. OR 3.167 Receptions, 58.67 Yards, .33 TDs.
I would almost guarantee that if another receiver put up those numbers you would be saying he isnt doing good, but because Josh has so much talent and he was great 5 Years ago, you give him a pass.
Or let's compare, one WR that MOST think has a horrendous season last year and just retired, Eric Decker. He also played hurt, and showed up and was reliable.
Last 6 Games: 23 Receptions, 260 Yards, 0 TDs
Or how about someone most have never heard of Adam Humphries. So he obviously doesnt equate the the TALENT/POTENTIAL of JG. He only started 1 of those last 6 games.
26 Receptions, 292 Yards, 1 TD
you are right....stats don't lie...but shitty qb's don't lie either...they are shitty....with the Shmucked up qbs we had while he was here....those are amazing number.....lets see how he does with one of the best in the biz.....only thing is ol tom has many good wideouts and you cannot satisfy them all....so we will see how many chances he gets...who knows, he may jump ahead of edelman, gronk etc as the number 1 guy...
you are right....stats don't lie...but shitty qb's don't lie either...they are shitty....with the Shmucked up qbs we had while he was here....those are amazing number.....lets see how he does with one of the best in the biz.....only thing is ol tom has many good wideouts and you cannot satisfy them all....so we will see how many chances he gets...who knows, he may jump ahead of edelman, gronk etc as the number 1 guy...
You obviously missed the point. There is no question the young man has talent and didnt have great QBs throwing the ball. But the ones just up in arms (seems like you are going that way) about him being gone and now doing something with Patriots are ONLY looking at his potential. I couldn't care less whether he was on the team or not btw.
But you HAVE to look at the entire picture to get the answer. And those averages are his numbers while he was a Brown. Those weren't his averages while he was in the games, but that's the point, you couldn't count on him. To put it on a game average with those numbers instead of by season, his average per game while a member of Cleveland Browns
1.83 catches, 31.7 yards, 0.18 TD
SO, while everyone wants to rag on the current receiving corp, and not saying they are great, but I 100% believe the worst guys you can think of now of past (Britt, Bowe, etc) could at least DOUBLE those totals.
I am one of the rare ones that wants Gordon to succeed no matter where he is playing, so its not like I am taking joy in the numbers.
But what it ultimately comes down to is would you rather have a guy with all the potential in the world but can't count on to be on the field from week to week, or someone reliable who isnt nearly as good.
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So let me ask you this, what you are saying is 31 teams didn't want him and Belichik is an idiot for taking him? I think this says a lot about Belichik. If you remember, nobody wanted to play in the Randy Moss, and Corey Dillon market either. I think Belichik got the best of the Browns.
Nah- look at the numbers Gunz just put up. He missed 1\2 of the games while he was here. Skipped training camp. Showed up late for a team meeting. Looked stoned too. Dorsey said- enough of kissing this guys azz just because he has talent. He had a zillion chances with the Browns- and very few of us thought after all the crap he pulled he deserved another one.
If he gotten his life together- great. If he morphs into a Randy Moss for the Patriots- great too. He's also one failed drug test away from a permanent ban.
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@ghoolie said:
So let me ask you this, what you are saying is 31 teams didn't want him and Belichik is an idiot for taking him?
Nope. Belleyache took a 'shot' on him. I don't blame him. What did it cost him?
All we really know is that he was acting like a TURD for us. hoorta's post above sums it up nicely.
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