No one talking about the targeting hit on mayfield?
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When has this "targeting rule" EVER been called on an offensive player. I have never seen it....ever.
And remember this:
We loved that play....but without doubt it should, under these new rules, be called a penalty...but I suspect that it would not be.
According to the video that I posted, it absolutely should be called a penalty under the rules as they are written now.
According to the video that I posted, it absolutely should be called a penalty under the rules as they are written now.
Yes, I understand that......but WOULD it be?
Do you (or anyone else) have any video of any play where an offensive player was called under these new rules?
Maybe only something as egregious as this play by TR would have gotten a call.
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Honestly, not the way I saw it.
Defender did what he was coached to do. Mayfield was upright, trying for first down when defender 'launches' his body at what-would-have-been his chest. Not trying to tackle, but create a collision impact.
Only, Mayfield starts to slide and defender - already being in mid-air - hits him helmet to helmet.
Didn't look like he intended to hit him high and in the helmet.
It's the result of coaching the value of hitting over tackling.
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Honestly, not the way I saw it.
Defender did what he was coached to do. Mayfield was upright, trying for first down when defender 'launches' his body at what-would-have-been his chest. Not trying to tackle, but create a collision impact.
Only, Mayfield starts to slide and defender - already being in mid-air - hits him helmet to helmet.
Didn't look like he intended to hit him high and in the helmet.
It's the result of coaching the value of hitting over tackling.
Honestly, not the way I saw it.
Defender did what he was coached to do. Mayfield was upright, trying for first down when defender 'launches' his body at what-would-have-been his chest. Not trying to tackle, but create a collision impact.
Only, Mayfield starts to slide and defender - already being in mid-air - hits him helmet to helmet.
Didn't look like he intended to hit him high and in the helmet.
It's the result of coaching the value of hitting over tackling.
Sure, I mean there's a debate to be had about the spirit of the rule and I don't think (most) would say this is wrong. But that doesn't negate by NFL rules this is a blatant penalty 100 times out of 100. Intent or not, it's a flag that they threw and then picked up. Can't happen.
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With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
It's like Baker said yesterday, the team HAS to get more points and put themselves in better position so that a call here and there doesn't impact the game so much. Obviously easier said than DONE, but he's right. We're the only team in the league that hasn't scored a TD in the first quarter. We only have FIVE RED ZONE TRIPS in the first quarter through 7 games. I've literally NEVER seen anything like it, except for maybe last year, and that's a standard we don't want to be mentioned with.
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Honestly, not the way I saw it.
Defender did what he was coached to do. Mayfield was upright, trying for first down when defender 'launches' his body at what-would-have-been his chest. Not trying to tackle, but create a collision impact.
Only, Mayfield starts to slide and defender - already being in mid-air - hits him helmet to helmet.
Didn't look like he intended to hit him high and in the helmet.
It's the result of coaching the value of hitting over tackling.
Sure, I mean there's a debate to be had about the spirit of the rule and I don't think (most) would say this is wrong. But that doesn't negate by NFL rules this is a blatant penalty 100 times out of 100. Intent or not, it's a flag that they threw and then picked up. Can't happen.
Sure, I mean there's a debate to be had about the spirit of the rule and I don't think (most) would say this is wrong. But that doesn't negate by NFL rules this is a blatant penalty 100 times out of 100. Intent or not, it's a flag that they threw and then picked up. Can't happen.
I think it's the picking up the flag that has so many people infuriated, more than anything. It's one thing if a ref just blows the call. Maybe his view is obstructed, perhaps the other guy wasn't in position, or the play appeared to be something it wasn't. But to come in and pick UP the flag, that's just ridiculous. This stat doesn't exist, but I'm willing to BET the Browns lead the league in "flags picked up by the refs". What hurts the most, maybe, is that these calls seemingly ALWAYS get called against us, so to have one picked UP is so completely crazy. I mean, that roughing the QB on Ogbah?! Jesus man. What about the game against Baltimore I think when we went for it on 4th down and Baker threw a long pass to Landry who wasn't there. Landry wasn't THERE because he got absolutely leveled. Not tangled up, not tripped, not accidentally taken down....he got TACKLED. Even the announcers were going absolutely ballistic. They called it uncatchable because the receiver wasn't in the area. Well no kidding! It's hard to be in the area when you get destroyed.
I don't get it, I really don't. We better get it figured out soon because the Steelers are just starting to get hot, like they ALWAYS DO, and they've got to be excited to see us. Their defense is playing much better, they've won 2 in a row, and I think they lead the division. Sadly, we could've been right up there with them, but we haven't made the plays. Well, that and the Oakland ref screwed us. This Pittsburgh game is probably the fork in the road for the season. We win this, and the story could be positive for the next few weeks. We lose, and it's going to be freaking ugly. Fair or not, that's how it is.
Edit: We basically won the Ravens game because of a phantom "block in the back" call the refs made against the Ravens, so I need to remember that the door CAN swing both ways, it just doesn't seem like it sometimes. Ravens got screwed...big time. But I really don't care, hehe.
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Sure, I mean there's a debate to be had about the spirit of the rule and I don't think (most) would say this is wrong. But that doesn't negate by NFL rules this is a blatant penalty 100 times out of 100. Intent or not, it's a flag that they threw and then picked up. Can't happen.
I think it's the picking up the flag that has so many people infuriated, more than anything. It's one thing if a ref just blows the call. Maybe his view is obstructed, perhaps the other guy wasn't in position, or the play appeared to be something it wasn't. But to come in and pick UP the flag, that's just ridiculous. This stat doesn't exist, but I'm willing to BET the Browns lead the league in "flags picked up by the refs". What hurts the most, maybe, is that these calls seemingly ALWAYS get called against us, so to have one picked UP is so completely crazy. I mean, that roughing the QB on Ogbah?! Jesus man. What about the game against Baltimore I think when we went for it on 4th down and Baker threw a long pass to Landry who wasn't there. Landry wasn't THERE because he got absolutely leveled. Not tangled up, not tripped, not accidentally taken down....he got TACKLED. Even the announcers were going absolutely ballistic. They called it uncatchable because the receiver wasn't in the area. Well no kidding! It's hard to be in the area when you get destroyed.
I don't get it, I really don't. We better get it figured out soon because the Steelers are just starting to get hot, like they ALWAYS DO, and they've got to be excited to see us. Their defense is playing much better, they've won 2 in a row, and I think they lead the division. Sadly, we could've been right up there with them, but we haven't made the plays. Well, that and the Oakland ref screwed us. This Pittsburgh game is probably the fork in the road for the season. We win this, and the story could be positive for the next few weeks. We lose, and it's going to be freaking ugly. Fair or not, that's how it is.
Edit: We basically won the Ravens game because of a phantom "block in the back" call the refs made against the Ravens, so I need to remember that the door CAN swing both ways, it just doesn't seem like it sometimes. Ravens got screwed...big time. But I really don't care, hehe.
We better get it figured out soon because the Steelers are just starting to get hot, like they ALWAYS DO, and they've got to be excited to see us. Their defense is playing much better, they've won 2 in a row, and I think they lead the division. Sadly, we could've been right up there with them, but we haven't made the plays. Well, that and the Oakland ref screwed us. This Pittsburgh game is probably the fork in the road for the season. We win this, and the story could be positive for the next few weeks. We lose, and it's going to be freaking ugly. Fair or not, that's how it is.
Unfortunately you are right about how they are playing. And we are about to get run over by the train in the tunnel. 38-10 with 4-5 sacks on Baker. Just hope he survives it ok.
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We better get it figured out soon because the Steelers are just starting to get hot, like they ALWAYS DO, and they've got to be excited to see us. Their defense is playing much better, they've won 2 in a row, and I think they lead the division. Sadly, we could've been right up there with them, but we haven't made the plays. Well, that and the Oakland ref screwed us. This Pittsburgh game is probably the fork in the road for the season. We win this, and the story could be positive for the next few weeks. We lose, and it's going to be freaking ugly. Fair or not, that's how it is.
Unfortunately you are right about how they are playing. And we are about to get run over by the train in the tunnel. 38-10 with 4-5 sacks on Baker. Just hope he survives it ok.
Unfortunately you are right about how they are playing. And we are about to get run over by the train in the tunnel. 38-10 with 4-5 sacks on Baker. Just hope he survives it ok.
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. I’m HOPING we steal one. Just come out the gates HOT and lay it on them without letting up. Enough of these close games. Enough of lamenting questionable/awful calls by the refs. Just lay the freaking wood down on these turds. Give us a reprieve from the constant “fire the coach” speak, and how the season is spiraling out of control, and the inevitable “draft talk” that follows our team every November. We’re freaking DUE for a monster game. Our defense is DUE for a touchdown. It’s time to actually hit on some of these deep balls.
I’m not saying it’s GOING to happen, but it’s past time for us to have a magical game. Heck, even Buffalo had one against the Vikings. Make it happen Browns. Give the fans a few more weeks of talking football, and not talking about the impending doom that surrounds our current personnel.
I expect good things from Garrett, but you can bet the Steelers will be ready for him. I’d bet money on Ogbah having a massive game Sunday. I think they’ll pay so much attention to Garrett that Ogbah will have many opportunities to get to Ben. Also, Ogbah is adept at swatting the ball out of the air. It’s about time we took one of those deflections to the dang house. I know I sound crazy, but this team has been very close. It’s time for a complete game, and we need it NOW.
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Sure, I mean there's a debate to be had about the spirit of the rule and I don't think (most) would say this is wrong. But that doesn't negate by NFL rules this is a blatant penalty 100 times out of 100. Intent or not, it's a flag that they threw and then picked up. Can't happen.
I think it's the picking up the flag that has so many people infuriated, more than anything. It's one thing if a ref just blows the call. Maybe his view is obstructed, perhaps the other guy wasn't in position, or the play appeared to be something it wasn't. But to come in and pick UP the flag, that's just ridiculous. This stat doesn't exist, but I'm willing to BET the Browns lead the league in "flags picked up by the refs". What hurts the most, maybe, is that these calls seemingly ALWAYS get called against us, so to have one picked UP is so completely crazy. I mean, that roughing the QB on Ogbah?! Jesus man. What about the game against Baltimore I think when we went for it on 4th down and Baker threw a long pass to Landry who wasn't there. Landry wasn't THERE because he got absolutely leveled. Not tangled up, not tripped, not accidentally taken down....he got TACKLED. Even the announcers were going absolutely ballistic. They called it uncatchable because the receiver wasn't in the area. Well no kidding! It's hard to be in the area when you get destroyed.
I don't get it, I really don't. We better get it figured out soon because the Steelers are just starting to get hot, like they ALWAYS DO, and they've got to be excited to see us. Their defense is playing much better, they've won 2 in a row, and I think they lead the division. Sadly, we could've been right up there with them, but we haven't made the plays. Well, that and the Oakland ref screwed us. This Pittsburgh game is probably the fork in the road for the season. We win this, and the story could be positive for the next few weeks. We lose, and it's going to be freaking ugly. Fair or not, that's how it is.
Edit: We basically won the Ravens game because of a phantom "block in the back" call the refs made against the Ravens, so I need to remember that the door CAN swing both ways, it just doesn't seem like it sometimes. Ravens got screwed...big time. But I really don't care, hehe.
I think it's the picking up the flag that has so many people infuriated, more than anything. It's one thing if a ref just blows the call. Maybe his view is obstructed, perhaps the other guy wasn't in position, or the play appeared to be something it wasn't. But to come in and pick UP the flag, that's just ridiculous. This stat doesn't exist, but I'm willing to BET the Browns lead the league in "flags picked up by the refs". What hurts the most, maybe, is that these calls seemingly ALWAYS get called against us, so to have one picked UP is so completely crazy. I mean, that roughing the QB on Ogbah?! Jesus man. What about the game against Baltimore I think when we went for it on 4th down and Baker threw a long pass to Landry who wasn't there. Landry wasn't THERE because he got absolutely leveled. Not tangled up, not tripped, not accidentally taken down....he got TACKLED. Even the announcers were going absolutely ballistic. They called it uncatchable because the receiver wasn't in the area. Well no kidding! It's hard to be in the area when you get destroyed.
Trust me, I know. I'll tell you this much, if this crap keeps happening this organization can't just let it go.
Here's a good start though: http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/10/nfl-fires-down-judge-hugo-cruz/?fbclid=IwAR28NQekJxaDClqDjaDd8UoUnQl_i939kq3AUqKVxZ6w6G4LFTZn-pI_eHg
Fist time in the Super Bowl era a ref got fired mid-season. This missed false start was honestly the most egregious missed call I have ever seen watching football, and it's good the NFL is showing actions may have consequences. The long-term solution is that they need to expand what can be reviewed by the booth. Some penalties should always be off limits (PI, holding, etc) but that hit against Baker should get reviewed.
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I think it's the picking up the flag that has so many people infuriated, more than anything. It's one thing if a ref just blows the call. Maybe his view is obstructed, perhaps the other guy wasn't in position, or the play appeared to be something it wasn't. But to come in and pick UP the flag, that's just ridiculous. This stat doesn't exist, but I'm willing to BET the Browns lead the league in "flags picked up by the refs". What hurts the most, maybe, is that these calls seemingly ALWAYS get called against us, so to have one picked UP is so completely crazy. I mean, that roughing the QB on Ogbah?! Jesus man. What about the game against Baltimore I think when we went for it on 4th down and Baker threw a long pass to Landry who wasn't there. Landry wasn't THERE because he got absolutely leveled. Not tangled up, not tripped, not accidentally taken down....he got TACKLED. Even the announcers were going absolutely ballistic. They called it uncatchable because the receiver wasn't in the area. Well no kidding! It's hard to be in the area when you get destroyed.
Trust me, I know. I'll tell you this much, if this crap keeps happening this organization can't just let it go.
Here's a good start though: http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/10/nfl-fires-down-judge-hugo-cruz/?fbclid=IwAR28NQekJxaDClqDjaDd8UoUnQl_i939kq3AUqKVxZ6w6G4LFTZn-pI_eHg
Fist time in the Super Bowl era a ref got fired mid-season. This missed false start was honestly the most egregious missed call I have ever seen watching football, and it's good the NFL is showing actions may have consequences. The long-term solution is that they need to expand what can be reviewed by the booth. Some penalties should always be off limits (PI, holding, etc) but that hit against Baker should get reviewed.
Trust me, I know. I'll tell you this much, if this crap keeps happening this organization can't just let it go.
Here's a good start though: http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/10/nfl-fires-down-judge-hugo-cruz/?fbclid=IwAR28NQekJxaDClqDjaDd8UoUnQl_i939kq3AUqKVxZ6w6G4LFTZn-pI_eHg
Fist time in the Super Bowl era a ref got fired mid-season. This missed false start was honestly the most egregious missed call I have ever seen watching football, and it's good the NFL is showing actions may have consequences. The long-term solution is that they need to expand what can be reviewed by the booth. Some penalties should always be off limits (PI, holding, etc) but that hit against Baker should get reviewed.
Link did not work for me.
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Trust me, I know. I'll tell you this much, if this crap keeps happening this organization can't just let it go.
Here's a good start though: http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/10/nfl-fires-down-judge-hugo-cruz/?fbclid=IwAR28NQekJxaDClqDjaDd8UoUnQl_i939kq3AUqKVxZ6w6G4LFTZn-pI_eHg
Fist time in the Super Bowl era a ref got fired mid-season. This missed false start was honestly the most egregious missed call I have ever seen watching football, and it's good the NFL is showing actions may have consequences. The long-term solution is that they need to expand what can be reviewed by the booth. Some penalties should always be off limits (PI, holding, etc) but that hit against Baker should get reviewed.
Link did not work for me.
Link did not work for me.
Odd, works for me fine. Here's another one though: https://chargerswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/25/nfl-fires-referee-that-missed-false-start-against-russell-okung-in-week-6/
Edit: Wow, this link was written by a 6 year old. Jesus haha.
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Sure, I mean there's a debate to be had about the spirit of the rule and I don't think (most) would say this is wrong. But that doesn't negate by NFL rules this is a blatant penalty 100 times out of 100. Intent or not, it's a flag that they threw and then picked up. Can't happen.
I think it's the picking up the flag that has so many people infuriated, more than anything. It's one thing if a ref just blows the call. Maybe his view is obstructed, perhaps the other guy wasn't in position, or the play appeared to be something it wasn't. But to come in and pick UP the flag, that's just ridiculous. This stat doesn't exist, but I'm willing to BET the Browns lead the league in "flags picked up by the refs". What hurts the most, maybe, is that these calls seemingly ALWAYS get called against us, so to have one picked UP is so completely crazy. I mean, that roughing the QB on Ogbah?! Jesus man. What about the game against Baltimore I think when we went for it on 4th down and Baker threw a long pass to Landry who wasn't there. Landry wasn't THERE because he got absolutely leveled. Not tangled up, not tripped, not accidentally taken down....he got TACKLED. Even the announcers were going absolutely ballistic. They called it uncatchable because the receiver wasn't in the area. Well no kidding! It's hard to be in the area when you get destroyed.
I don't get it, I really don't. We better get it figured out soon because the Steelers are just starting to get hot, like they ALWAYS DO, and they've got to be excited to see us. Their defense is playing much better, they've won 2 in a row, and I think they lead the division. Sadly, we could've been right up there with them, but we haven't made the plays. Well, that and the Oakland ref screwed us. This Pittsburgh game is probably the fork in the road for the season. We win this, and the story could be positive for the next few weeks. We lose, and it's going to be freaking ugly. Fair or not, that's how it is.
Edit: We basically won the Ravens game because of a phantom "block in the back" call the refs made against the Ravens, so I need to remember that the door CAN swing both ways, it just doesn't seem like it sometimes. Ravens got screwed...big time. But I really don't care, hehe.
Jesus What about the game against Baltimore I think when we went for it on 4th down and Baker threw a long pass to Landry who wasn't there. Landry wasn't THERE because he got absolutely leveled. Not tangled up, not tripped, not accidentally taken down....he got TACKLED.
That was the right call, the ball was thrown BEFORE the contact, and because it was so badly overthrown, it was uncatchable. I felt the same way you did, then I saw where the ball landed on a certain angle. About 20 yards downfield and out of bounds.
and here’s a pic, Hugo Cruz fired:
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Honestly, not the way I saw it.
Defender did what he was coached to do. Mayfield was upright, trying for first down when defender 'launches' his body at what-would-have-been his chest. Not trying to tackle, but create a collision impact.
Only, Mayfield starts to slide and defender - already being in mid-air - hits him helmet to helmet.
Didn't look like he intended to hit him high and in the helmet.
It's the result of coaching the value of hitting over tackling.
Accountability... what a concept.
Honestly, not the way I saw it.
Defender did what he was coached to do. Mayfield was upright, trying for first down when defender 'launches' his body at what-would-have-been his chest. Not trying to tackle, but create a collision impact.
Didn't look like he intended to hit him high and in the helmet.
Just how short do you think Baker is?
I get your point. We see offensive players bending over and thus lowering their heads (especially WRs) all the time setting up their own hits to their helmets, but...
The key is the head position of the tackler... and this one lowered his head.
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