As Cleveland Browns fans...
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An awful lot of "fired NFL retreads" went on to become pretty good coaches. Let's start with Bill Belichick. Andy Reid, Chuck Knox, Dan Reeves. Mike Shanahan. Jon Gruden. Etc.
Once they've won somewhere else, they don't win again with a new team.
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An awful lot of "fired NFL retreads" went on to become pretty good coaches. Let's start with Bill Belichick. Andy Reid, Chuck Knox, Dan Reeves. Mike Shanahan. Jon Gruden. Etc.
Once they've won somewhere else, they don't win again with a new team.
Once they've won somewhere else, they don't win again with a new team.
Do you mean a championship? Or Championship contending:
Parcells took both the Giants and Pats to the SB.
Reeves took the Broncos, then the Falcons to the SB.
Marty had both the Chiefs and Chargers in contention.
Knox had muliple division titles with the Rams, and an even better winning pct. with the Seahawks.
Weeb Ewbank won titles with both the Colts and the Jets! (maybe the only guy to do so)
D-ick Vermeil lost a SB with the Eagles...and won one with the Rams.
I guess you have to establish the parameters of what you mean by "winning".
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Once they've won somewhere else, they don't win again with a new team.
Do you mean a championship? Or Championship contending:
Parcells took both the Giants and Pats to the SB.
Reeves took the Broncos, then the Falcons to the SB.
Marty had both the Chiefs and Chargers in contention.
Knox had muliple division titles with the Rams, and an even better winning pct. with the Seahawks.
Weeb Ewbank won titles with both the Colts and the Jets! (maybe the only guy to do so)
D-ick Vermeil lost a SB with the Eagles...and won one with the Rams.
I guess you have to establish the parameters of what you mean by "winning".
Do you mean a championship? Or Championship contending:
Parcells took both the Giants and Pats to the SB.
Reeves took the Broncos, then the Falcons to the SB.
Marty had both the Chiefs and Chargers in contention.
Knox had muliple division titles with the Rams, and an even better winning pct. with the Seahawks.
Weeb Ewbank won titles with both the Colts and the Jets! (maybe the only guy to do so)
finger Vermeil lost a SB with the Eagles...and won one with the Rams.
I guess you have to establish the parameters of what you mean by "winning".
Winning a championship. Only 2 in history have done it with two different franchises.
Say no to retreads. Find the next young Sean McVey and let him and Baker win a lot of games for the next decade together.
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IF the BROWNS do not beat pizzburgh they will be 2-5-1 half way through the season good chance then they will NOT win 5 or more Hue will be gone if any good candidate comes along probably even before week 15 or 16......if available, for sure as the playoffs move along.
So... a fired NFL retread?
No, thanks...
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Do you mean a championship? Or Championship contending:
Parcells took both the Giants and Pats to the SB.
Reeves took the Broncos, then the Falcons to the SB.
Marty had both the Chiefs and Chargers in contention.
Knox had muliple division titles with the Rams, and an even better winning pct. with the Seahawks.
Weeb Ewbank won titles with both the Colts and the Jets! (maybe the only guy to do so)
finger Vermeil lost a SB with the Eagles...and won one with the Rams.
I guess you have to establish the parameters of what you mean by "winning".
Winning a championship. Only 2 in history have done it with two different franchises.
Say no to retreads. Find the next young Sean McVey and let him and Baker win a lot of games for the next decade together.
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@ghoolie said:
Hue isn t going anywhere
But you may be you know lake Erie lipstick pantyhose. that’s your future
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I totally agree and think we should’ve taken the points, but at that point in the game, I can understand why an offensive minded guy would want more than 3 points. It just didn’t make sense because our offense had 0 momentum in the first half.
That’s why he’s the HC, to get questioned for calls like that. And to handle it. Which is what he does relatively well.
Hopefully next time, he takes the points.
I totally agree and think we should’ve taken the points, but at that point in the game, I can understand why an offensive minded guy would want more than 3 points. It just didn’t make sense because our offense had 0 momentum in the first half.
That’s why he’s the HC, to get questioned for calls like that. And to handle it. Which is what he does relatively well.
Hopefully next time, he takes the points.
I think back to the most recent Superbowl where if Philly played for the easier points via FGs - they don't win the Superbowl. Then I remember the only time Brees won a Superbowl. The huge game changer was a big gamble where the Saints tried an onside kick, recovered it and never looked back... There's 2 examples of "No guts - no glory" mentalities that paid off.
At the time of the decision, we were down 16-2 with a very doable opportunity to get the first down. A very WELL LIKED Baker scrambles and just when it looks like he's made us a first down - having the ball unsecured in the wrong arm allows the defender to dislodge the football. The ball travels backward and lands out of bounds shy of the first down. Hind sight 20/20 says the decision was a BAD one. That said, if a guy that has played QB since he was a little kid remembers to secure the ball in his arm closest to the sideline in the heat of the moment - we have a 1st and 10 at about the 11 yard line with 13 seconds left. Now we still have another shot or 2 for a TD before settling for the FG. We had the guts for glory that got intercepted by no brain no gain. So, who do we assign the brain fart to? The well liked Baker Mayfield or the frequently despised Hue Jackson? I know what's easier; but growing pains of a rookie QB are an inevitable part of winning in the future. Look no further than Peyton Manning throwing 28 INTs or Troy Aikman's forgettable rookie season or Jim Kelly winning only 4 games in Buffalo.
This is the type of unlucky season our young guys are experiencing though. Against New Orleans we tried/settled for all the kicks (missing 2 extra points and 2 FGs). Against Pittsburgh, we tackled a 260 lb QB too hard outside of the pocket; so, instead of them setting for 3 points they get 7. That 4 point swing gifted Pitt to OT where our game winning FG attempt at the end got blocked from a very low kick (although they missed a doable FG as well before that). Speaking of how much that hit on the QB mattered in the 4 point swing favoring Pitt - how much would 15 more yards tacked onto Baker's run in Tampa mattered if they didn't pick up the flag thrown by the closest official to the penalty? Even the Carr fumble the black and silver allowed that the black and white refused to allow - have all led to the 4 or 5 meaningless apology letters sent by the league. Despite all that and some unfortunate injuries to very key players (that a team coming off 0-16 football can ill-afford) - this young team continues to show up and battle for 60 minutes or more in spite of it all. While there is no such thing as moral victories - think of how many teams we've had here since 1999 that quit after the first adversity (sometimes as early as losing the coin toss). I WANT playoffs as bad as the next guy; but there's way too many new faces in this year's influx reminding us chemistries need to grow while growing pains need to decrease.
IMO, we're almost there. I'm surprised to be saying our biggest problem up front isn't LT - it's RT. As for the play makers, we're 1 WR shy of a reliable balance at this time (maybe when Higgins returns this improves). On defense, I'm still surprised they cut a pretty damn good run defender like Jamie Meder especially considering how much Coley's high ankle sprain has appeared to have affected his leverage and pad height. He doesn't look like the same guy I saw last year at all. Other than that, injuries to guys playing extremely well like Schobert and Mitchell have been very unfortunate. And then Mitchell's backup (Gaines) played well before going out with a concussion. In spite of it all, the attitude of this team is they continue to think they can win; because they have given themselves chances to win every game but 1 this year. The more they grow and develop alongside our confident young QB - the more these types of games starting becoming victories IMO.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
In reply to some of the debate about firing the HC. Pettine started off 7-4 in 2014 in spite of numerous injuries which looked like pretty long job security ahead until... He finished 3-18 in his last 21 games. When that type of about-face slide takes place - you're gonna lose veteran buy in and some guys start quitting or coming up with Josh Gordonesque soft tissue injuries they don't have to play with. When you slide that far to the extent the team quits on you - you're a dead man walking.
The biggest thing Hue had in his favor was Jimmy fired Shurmur after only 4-6 games or so under his ownership. 2 thumbs up for that one IMO! Then he only gave Chud 1 season. Then he gave Pettine 2 years, which caused sports media everywhere and several NFL Consultants Jimmy looked to - to advise him firing HCs too quickly all the time gives his franchise the foundation of quick sand nothing can be built upon.
When Hue came along, Jimmy had been pressured from enough people to agree to give Hue 3 pitches to swing at. As we know, the first 2 strikes were big swings and misses. I'm not convinced at all Jimmy's quick trigger to fire people is suddenly ecstatic with keeping a guy that started off 1-31 here. IMO, that's why he hired an experienced FO guy like Dorsey in case Hue needs to be fired this year. Hear me out. This time, if everything goes South, the public sees Dorsey initiating the firing of Hue. Even more sensible, the guy doing the firing only wants to do such a thing if there's a hiring criteria in place that seeks to upgrade what he actually just fired (as outrageous as it is to type something like that).
In saying all that, what's keeping Hue here today? Like the 4 OT games remind us, it takes at least 60 minutes and the apparent need for 4-5 apology letters from the league to beat this team. For now, that's a big enough improvement to warrant a let's see what direction this team goes the rest of the year. If this team doesn't win more than 5 or 6 games, Hue will be fired. If there's a couple back to back games where we get rat-housed like we did against San Diego - Gregg Williams will be our Interim Head Coach lighting fannies.
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I totally agree and think we should’ve taken the points, but at that point in the game, I can understand why an offensive minded guy would want more than 3 points. It just didn’t make sense because our offense had 0 momentum in the first half.
That’s why he’s the HC, to get questioned for calls like that. And to handle it. Which is what he does relatively well.
Hopefully next time, he takes the points.
I think back to the most recent Superbowl where if Philly played for the easier points via FGs - they don't win the Superbowl. Then I remember the only time Brees won a Superbowl. The huge game changer was a big gamble where the Saints tried an onside kick, recovered it and never looked back... There's 2 examples of "No guts - no glory" mentalities that paid off.
At the time of the decision, we were down 16-2 with a very doable opportunity to get the first down. A very WELL LIKED Baker scrambles and just when it looks like he's made us a first down - having the ball unsecured in the wrong arm allows the defender to dislodge the football. The ball travels backward and lands out of bounds shy of the first down. Hind sight 20/20 says the decision was a BAD one. That said, if a guy that has played QB since he was a little kid remembers to secure the ball in his arm closest to the sideline in the heat of the moment - we have a 1st and 10 at about the 11 yard line with 13 seconds left. Now we still have another shot or 2 for a TD before settling for the FG. We had the guts for glory that got intercepted by no brain no gain. So, who do we assign the brain fart to? The well liked Baker Mayfield or the frequently despised Hue Jackson? I know what's easier; but growing pains of a rookie QB are an inevitable part of winning in the future. Look no further than Peyton Manning throwing 28 INTs or Troy Aikman's forgettable rookie season or Jim Kelly winning only 4 games in Buffalo.
This is the type of unlucky season our young guys are experiencing though. Against New Orleans we tried/settled for all the kicks (missing 2 extra points and 2 FGs). Against Pittsburgh, we tackled a 260 lb QB too hard outside of the pocket; so, instead of them setting for 3 points they get 7. That 4 point swing gifted Pitt to OT where our game winning FG attempt at the end got blocked from a very low kick (although they missed a doable FG as well before that). Speaking of how much that hit on the QB mattered in the 4 point swing favoring Pitt - how much would 15 more yards tacked onto Baker's run in Tampa mattered if they didn't pick up the flag thrown by the closest official to the penalty? Even the Carr fumble the black and silver allowed that the black and white refused to allow - have all led to the 4 or 5 meaningless apology letters sent by the league. Despite all that and some unfortunate injuries to very key players (that a team coming off 0-16 football can ill-afford) - this young team continues to show up and battle for 60 minutes or more in spite of it all. While there is no such thing as moral victories - think of how many teams we've had here since 1999 that quit after the first adversity (sometimes as early as losing the coin toss). I WANT playoffs as bad as the next guy; but there's way too many new faces in this year's influx reminding us chemistries need to grow while growing pains need to decrease.
IMO, we're almost there. I'm surprised to be saying our biggest problem up front isn't LT - it's RT. As for the play makers, we're 1 WR shy of a reliable balance at this time (maybe when Higgins returns this improves). On defense, I'm still surprised they cut a pretty damn good run defender like Jamie Meder especially considering how much Coley's high ankle sprain has appeared to have affected his leverage and pad height. He doesn't look like the same guy I saw last year at all. Other than that, injuries to guys playing extremely well like Schobert and Mitchell have been very unfortunate. And then Mitchell's backup (Gaines) played well before going out with a concussion. In spite of it all, the attitude of this team is they continue to think they can win; because they have given themselves chances to win every game but 1 this year. The more they grow and develop alongside our confident young QB - the more these types of games starting becoming victories IMO.
I think back to the most recent Superbowl where if Philly played for the easier points via FGs - they don't win the Superbowl. Then I remember the only time Brees won a Superbowl. The huge game changer was a big gamble where the Saints tried an onside kick, recovered it and never looked back... There's 2 examples of "No guts - no glory" mentalities that paid off.
At the time of the decision, we were down 16-2 with a very doable opportunity to get the first down. A very WELL LIKED Baker scrambles and just when it looks like he's made us a first down - having the ball unsecured in the wrong arm allows the defender to dislodge the football. The ball travels backward and lands out of bounds shy of the first down. Hind sight 20/20 says the decision was a BAD one. That said, if a guy that has played QB since he was a little kid remembers to secure the ball in his arm closest to the sideline in the heat of the moment - we have a 1st and 10 at about the 11 yard line with 13 seconds left. Now we still have another shot or 2 for a TD before settling for the FG. We had the guts for glory that got intercepted by no brain no gain. So, who do we assign the brain fart to? The well liked Baker Mayfield or the frequently despised Hue Jackson? I know what's easier; but growing pains of a rookie QB are an inevitable part of winning in the future. Look no further than Peyton Manning throwing 28 INTs or Troy Aikman's forgettable rookie season or Jim Kelly winning only 4 games in Buffalo.
This is the type of unlucky season our young guys are experiencing though.
I never meant to “blame” Hue for not taking the points. I was just explaining my logic as to why we should’ve taken the 3 in that situation.
I am totally for being aggressive minded as an offense and score score score, but sometimes the offense just isn’t clicking, and your defense is barely keeping you in the game.
It was kind of a slap to the face for the defense, to get a turnover, only to have the offense come up with ZERO points.
I can understand why it’s an “easy” call to make, with a guy like Baker at QB.
But when you watch Mayfield’s presser, he literally says “ANY POINTS ARE GOOD POINTS”.... which almost seemed like a shot fired at Coach Hue.
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I think back to the most recent Superbowl where if Philly played for the easier points via FGs - they don't win the Superbowl. Then I remember the only time Brees won a Superbowl. The huge game changer was a big gamble where the Saints tried an onside kick, recovered it and never looked back... There's 2 examples of "No guts - no glory" mentalities that paid off.
At the time of the decision, we were down 16-2 with a very doable opportunity to get the first down. A very WELL LIKED Baker scrambles and just when it looks like he's made us a first down - having the ball unsecured in the wrong arm allows the defender to dislodge the football. The ball travels backward and lands out of bounds shy of the first down. Hind sight 20/20 says the decision was a BAD one. That said, if a guy that has played QB since he was a little kid remembers to secure the ball in his arm closest to the sideline in the heat of the moment - we have a 1st and 10 at about the 11 yard line with 13 seconds left. Now we still have another shot or 2 for a TD before settling for the FG. We had the guts for glory that got intercepted by no brain no gain. So, who do we assign the brain fart to? The well liked Baker Mayfield or the frequently despised Hue Jackson? I know what's easier; but growing pains of a rookie QB are an inevitable part of winning in the future. Look no further than Peyton Manning throwing 28 INTs or Troy Aikman's forgettable rookie season or Jim Kelly winning only 4 games in Buffalo.
This is the type of unlucky season our young guys are experiencing though.
I never meant to “blame” Hue for not taking the points. I was just explaining my logic as to why we should’ve taken the 3 in that situation.
I am totally for being aggressive minded as an offense and score score score, but sometimes the offense just isn’t clicking, and your defense is barely keeping you in the game.
It was kind of a slap to the face for the defense, to get a turnover, only to have the offense come up with ZERO points.
I can understand why it’s an “easy” call to make, with a guy like Baker at QB.
But when you watch Mayfield’s presser, he literally says “ANY POINTS ARE GOOD POINTS”.... which almost seemed like a shot fired at Coach Hue.
I never meant to “blame” Hue for not taking the points. I was just explaining my logic as to why we should’ve taken the 3 in that situation.
I am totally for being aggressive minded as an offense and score score score, but sometimes the offense just isn’t clicking, and your defense is barely keeping you in the game.
It was kind of a slap to the face for the defense, to get a turnover, only to have the offense come up with ZERO points.
I can understand why it’s an “easy” call to make, with a guy like Baker at QB.
But when you watch Mayfield’s presser, he literally says “ANY POINTS ARE GOOD POINTS”.... which almost seemed like a shot at the head coach.
No worries. None of that is your fault. You actually did a great job defending your point of view and I agree with a lot of what you are saying above.
All that said, if Baker just holds the ball in his outside arm (closest to the sideline) - he makes that first down with 13 seconds left for 1 or 2 passes before time would have dictated we needed to settle for the FG.
This is to everyone. Like it or not, that game boiled down to 2 different short yardage situations where we came up with 0 points in both of those possessions. 1 time, we had 2 plays from the 1 yard line against a defense (without it's only Pro Bowl DT - McCoy) and they stopped us both times. The other time, Baker fumbled away what would have been a 1st down at the 11 with 13 seconds left. Like Zombo said in another thread about firing the HC - SOMETIMES we have to give our well paid professionals some credit for the lack of execution rather than hiding behind/defaulting everything to just Hue. Last time I looked, Bitonio, Zeitler and Tretter are making enough cake to the extent we should get at least 1 yard in 2 attempts against a defense that has struggled against everyone but Cleveland.
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Greg Williams will be on thin ice at 2-6-1. He will never be HC in Cleveland. Not in any capacity. He is a loser.
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Hue Jackson will not be fired.
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2018/10/23/cleveland-browns-hue-jackson-says-job-safe/
Jackson was given a long-term commitment by Haslam, possibly 5 years to produce a dynasty. Again, take it from the king of this board, the one who teaches you all....Hue is here for awhile. If he gets fired during the bye week or before, I will jump in Lake Erie wearing lipstick and pantyhose.
Now we will hold you to that?
Now we will hold you to that?
Nope, the only thing he (Ghoolie) is being held to is no trolling. Enjoy the Ghoolie free weekend (again) brought to you by the Mods.
Greg Williams will be on thin ice at 2-6-1. He will never be HC in Cleveland. Not in any capacity. He is a loser.
^^^ Flamebait thinly disguised as personal opinion. Nothing to back it up. We're hoping it's getting through his thick head, isn't worth his time posting crap.
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Now we will hold you to that?
Nope, the only thing he (Ghoolie) is being held to is no trolling. Enjoy the Ghoolie free weekend (again) brought to you by the Mods.
Greg Williams will be on thin ice at 2-6-1. He will never be HC in Cleveland. Not in any capacity. He is a loser.
^^^ Flamebait thinly disguised as personal opinion. Nothing to back it up. We're hoping it's getting through his thick head, isn't worth his time posting crap.
Nope, the only thing he (Ghoolie) is being held to is no trolling. Enjoy the Ghoolie free weekend (again) brought to you by the Mods.
^^^ Flamebait thinly disguised as personal opinion. Nothing to back it up. We're hoping it's getting through his thick head, isn't worth his time posting crap.
Not all heroes wear capes.
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Now we will hold you to that?
Nope, the only thing he (Ghoolie) is being held to is no trolling. Enjoy the Ghoolie free weekend (again) brought to you by the Mods.
Greg Williams will be on thin ice at 2-6-1. He will never be HC in Cleveland. Not in any capacity. He is a loser.
^^^ Flamebait thinly disguised as personal opinion. Nothing to back it up. We're hoping it's getting through his thick head, isn't worth his time posting crap.
Nope, the only thing he (Ghoolie) is being held to is no trolling. Enjoy the Ghoolie free weekend (again) brought to you by the Mods.
^^^ Flamebait thinly disguised as personal opinion. Nothing to back it up. We're hoping it's getting through his thick head, isn't worth his time posting crap.
Classic stuff!
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Nope, the only thing he (Ghoolie) is being held to is no trolling. Enjoy the Ghoolie free weekend (again) brought to you by the Mods.
^^^ Flamebait thinly disguised as personal opinion. Nothing to back it up. We're hoping it's getting through his thick head, isn't worth his time posting crap.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Case in point. The kid that was power gluing Stiffler's mom wasn't wearing one...
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We should find a way to stay excited.
This is the BEST place this team has been since almost making the playoffs in 2007.
Sure, the team is only 2-4-1...and could be this, or could be that.
This team has competed every week besides the one yearly “bad week”, which every NFL team is susceptible to during the course of the season.
The defense is the foundation, with EXTREMELY promising players across the board.
The offense is finding its identity, and we actually have a true competitor for a quarterback.
It’s hard not to get caught up in whether or not the coach/coaches should be fired, I get it, nobody likes losing.
The fact of the matter is that these talented young players are learning and growing every week.... and the future is VERY BRIGHT. Stay positive, folks.
We should find a way to stay excited.
This is the BEST place this team has been since almost making the playoffs in 2007.
Sure, the team is only 2-4-1...and could be this, or could be that.
This team has competed every week besides the one yearly “bad week”, which every NFL team is susceptible to during the course of the season.
The defense is the foundation, with EXTREMELY promising players across the board.
The offense is finding its identity, and we actually have a true competitor for a quarterback.
It’s hard not to get caught up in whether or not the coach/coaches should be fired, I get it, nobody likes losing.
The fact of the matter is that these talented young players are learning and growing every week.... and the future is VERY BRIGHT. Stay positive, folks.
One of the crucial steps we need to take to move forward is changing the HC. Just as fast as we can.
Preferably get rid of that crook of a Steelers loving owner too.
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FIRE HUE NOW!
FIRE HALEY!
FIRE GREGG!
FIRE AMOS!!!
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FIRE HUE NOW!
FIRE HALEY!
FIRE GREGG!
FIRE AMOS!!!
FIRE HUE NOW!
FIRE HALEY!
FIRE GREGG!
FIRE AMOS!!!
C’mon man. Maybe one day you’ll get your wish but this is unnecessary.
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